General Honey / Sugar / Sweet Jar Questions and Answers

Athena0321 · Unread post by **Athena0321** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:10 pm

I didnt know that. I will purchase the individual herbs to add to the honey jar. I was thinking calendula , cascara sagrada, galangal root, and licorice root. Would that work?

Miss Aida · Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:54 am

Hello, Athena0321,

Wouldn't it be cheaper just to get the honey jar kit? You will need the candle and the oil too (which the kit provides) along with all the proper herbs.

If you still want to make your own honey jar, you might want to look at this page for the herbs that are traditionally used:

www.luckymojo.com/hoodooataglance.html

It is nice that you are preparing in advance for our assigned judge. That is good thinking!

Wishing you the very best with this

Take care

Athena0321 · Unread post by **Athena0321** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:49 am

I didn't see that page before and I think I will bookmark it. All the herbs I mentioned are listed for what I need it for and I already placed the order. I'll be working this court case from more than one angle so I will need more of the herbs.

SpellsnSuch · Unread post by **SpellsnSuch** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:00 pm

i have been working a honey jar since September or perhaps October, yesterday (Friday jan 5) i was going to burn another candle on top of it, and when i went to get the honey jar (out of my closet) i saw that the entire contents of the honey jar had frozen/crystalized... i have no idea how long it had been frozen, as now i am only burning candles on friday's.

the honey jar contained honey, raw sugar, love herbs, and me and my lovers hairs.. i wanted to continue to work the jar so i placed it in hot water to thaw it out, and then burned a candle on it as usual.. the candle burned fine, some cracks and a nice high strong flame, as usual... but the next day(TODAY) i looked at the jar and the contents had frozen/crystalized again... my honey jar is currently sitting in a cup of hot water again to try to thaw it out... but today me and my bf also got in a fight.. and things have been up and down the past few days for us as well..

-what should i do?

-did the honey jar freezing/crystalizing have something to do with this?

-has anyone ever had an encounter where their honey jar froze/crystalized?

-should i dispose of that honey jar and start another? or is thawing it out and continuing to work the same jar OK?

also, i don't see how it froze as the temperature inside my apartment has never fell below 60ish. is this something that all honey jars do over time (crystalize)?

RevJames · Unread post by **RevJames** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:44 pm

This sounds to me like whatever kind of jar you are using isn't entirely closed/sealed. I don't think it is "frozen" it sounds like it just got air to it and crystallized. I encountered this a few times when reusing jars to make some honey mixtures like golden honey (honey and turmeric), after awhile i noticed it dried out and crystallized. This also happened to an entire quart jar of sorghum I had in the cupboard cause the lid wasn't completely tight on it. You can keep heating it but I think your better bet would be to buy new jars at the store that will seal properly. If seeing the crystallization is causing you to doubt your work then its best to try to try to avoid it, though I don't see a problem with it per se. To some they may see it as "solidifying the working" but some may see it as "becoming stuck" - I suppose there is where it depends on you.
I could be wrong and it could just be really chilly in that part of your house and colder temperatures can make it crystallize as well, in which case try to find a warmer place to keep it such as the top of the refrigerator.

AlyssaH · Unread post by **AlyssaH** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:30 pm

Athena0321, It is not traditional to use sachet powder in a honey jar. That would be more of a kind of you're in a bind & that's what you have to use type of situation. (Which I have been there.)

SpellsnSuch It's normal for honey to crystallize in cold weather. Just keep warming it to keep it liquid. There's lots of different ways to do that. You can use hot water, you can use the heater plate on your wax tart warmer, you can place it on your baseboard heaters to keep it warmed. My personal favorite is using the warmer on my wax tart warmer, but remember not to leave it indefinitely or your glass jar could crack.
It's a normal part of any healthy relationship to fight. The honey jar is to keep him sweetened to you, but being that he's not a robot but a human being with freewill the odds are that you two aren't going to agree 100% all of the time. Ex: I have a grown teenager still under my roof, I have a Peaceful Home jar that I work on a weekly basis & have been doing for years. Oh, we have disagreements, he's a firey Sagitarious living under my Piscean roof, but the family love & loyalty is strong which is the overall goal of a Peaceful Home jar, imo.

SpellsnSuch · Unread post by **SpellsnSuch** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:47 pm

AlyssaH THANK YOU! For the kind words and reassurance. Overall he has been A LOT sweeter to me, I suppose i just got a little paranoid when i saw that my honey jar had crystalized. I will continue to keep warming it

sag97 · Unread post by **sag97** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:43 pm

Hey everyone!
So I started a honey jar a week ago, and I’ve been burning red candles on top of it every day for these past 7 days. The candle would just burn out and leave a bit of wax, and then on top I’d burn another candle and so on and so on. But today I woke up to see that the last candle I burned left almost no wax, I mean it burned out completely and then burned the previous wicks and all that was left was a bit of wax forming some kind of a female form and a heart in the middle. I hope I explained it well. Also, at first the wax would form some kind of a “tower” I guess and now it’s just all over the lid, melted.
What do you guys think? Should I be worried or is it a good sign? Everything was great before this.

sag97 · Unread post by **sag97** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:12 am

Hey everyone!
So I started a honey jar a week ago, and I’ve been burning red candles on top of it every day for these past 7 days. The candle would just burn out and leave a bit of wax, and then on top I’d burn another candle and so on and so on. But today I woke up to see that the last candle I burned left almost no wax, I mean it burned out completely and then burned the previous wicks and all that was left was a bit of wax forming some kind of a female form and a heart in the middle. I hope I explained it well. Also, at first the wax would form some kind of a “tower” I guess and now it’s just all over the lid, melted.
What do you guys think? Should I be worried or is it a good sign? Everything was great before this.

Love_Muse · Unread post by **Love_Muse** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:12 pm

Hello all,

I am an avid reader of the forum lol and I have used a lot of stuff I've read with great success in love and career so I keeeeeep reading and working it lol.

I am starting a love honey jar to sweeten a love interest to me more. When we see each other at events and such it is cordial and with high interest. But because of life and meeting terrible people she is cautious/guarded and slow to come forward. I have cinnamon, deer's tongue, lavender, and licorice root to put into the jar with the honey, name paper, and linking items.

I want to use the licorice root to influence my target to lower her guard and act more sweet. I know the licorice root is a controlling herb and the honey jar is for "sweetening", is the licorice appropriate to use inside for this purpose?

I will be using pink candles on it. I had been using only red candles in the previous months and I noticed a lusty attraction and she then started making a lot of social media messages about her fighting off lusting for people because she wants more and not confusing lust with love....annnnnnd the more I read in the forums the more I realized my mishap...I got all lust...no love....which I want....duh. I have love me oil which I plan to use on the pink candles. I will also be lighting clarity and king Solomon candles on it to give her clarity that it is okay for to come to me but also the king Solomon to give her the courage to actually "act."

RevJames · Unread post by **RevJames** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:26 pm

Hello Love_Muse,

I personally think its a bit late to ask whether or not a certain herb is right or not AFTER you've already constructed it, but I am of the group of people that don't reopen honey jars except once I've made progress and if I decide to cook with the sweetener I used to keep it going.

As for if its appropriate, since your trying to warm her up to you I feel it would be more apt to steer here away at the moment with such uncertain feelings. Making her feel intimidated by you by command/controlling seems a bit like going in the opposite direction. I would try to use more attracting herbs as you said you seem to be fairly friendly at events, you just need to stand out and snag her attention, and keep it, maybe something like catnip and cardamom.

Cardamom
www.herbmagic.com/cardamom-seed.html

Catnip
www.herbmagic.com/catnip.html

The Clarity and King Solomon Candles are 7 day candles, is this what you plan on using? Usually a offertory or altar/chime candle is what is used in these types of works, to build on one another the wax from previous burns. If you decide to use an offertory or altar candle I suggest starting with pink - to attract her to you. Once you make some headway and have a good rapport going with her on a reoccurring basis, move to red for love and romance. You could throw in a few purple on occasion to give her the ambition to break from from her shell.

Just a few ideas, hope it helps!

You may also want to check out the following pages:

Candle Magic - http://www.luckymojo.com/candlemagic.html

Honey Jars - http://www.luckymojo.com/honeyjar.html

Love_Muse · Unread post by **Love_Muse** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:27 pm

Hello Rev James,

Thank you for your response and advice. I have NOT started yet...I said "I am starting..." sorry if it was confusing as written but I meant it to mean I am going to be starting. I said at the bottom I would be using pink candles on it because I had used all red previously and built this lust attraction thingy but not love/sweet/romance vibes like I want. With the king Solomon and clarity I have the oils coming shortly from LM and planned to use them on offertory candles for clarity of her mind and the wisdom to "act."

So based on what you wrote it sounds like I'm on the right track. Thank you

Thank you for the response on the licorice root. I will stay away from that. She does have a strong personality and does not like to feel "forced" at all...even in conversation lol. I will also look into getting some cardamom...and I do have catnip from LM in my stock at home already so I will add that! Thanks a lot.

Love_Muse · Unread post by **Love_Muse** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:03 pm

Is cardamom for sweet romance love? From reading on it, it sounds more geared towards lust/passion.

Miss Aida · Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:30 pm

Hello, Love_Muse,

As the page says, its good for love affairs too

Take care

RevJames · Unread post by **RevJames** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:53 am

Love_muse,

I'm sorry I must have misread! Sometimes words run together in my brain! HAH!

Again, Good luck!

[EDIT]
Also - If you haven't bought it already, I highly suggest Cat's book Hood Herb and Root Magick found here - http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatbooks.html#botany

It goes into much more depth on what different herbs and roots can be used for!

Love_Muse · Unread post by **Love_Muse** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:40 am

Thanks Miss Aida and Rev James!

endoftherainbow · Unread post by **endoftherainbow** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:39 pm

After reading Cat's info on Honey magic, having to be mindful of the family honey I have, I have enjoyed using a small white saucer, writing a petition, covering in honey, and then burning an anointed candle (because these are career spells using Look At Me / Money Draw) on top of the paper.

To my own delight the honey often catches flame as the candle burns low and the petition becomes the source of the energy (for over an hour) until everything is a unique honey-ash. My question is about these ashes, does anyone have a suggestion for use other than disposing? Is there any magic left to do with them? The honey-charcoal seems precious.

catherineyronwode · Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:51 pm

Hello, endoftherainbow --

Spell remnant of this sort are indeed useful. You may bury, scatter, or hide them at your work site, or, if you work from home, at your own place. Good for you for think to ask the question!

endoftherainbow · Unread post by **endoftherainbow** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:06 pm

Thank you Cat! I had no idea Honey was such a great flame source. Has anyone used honey in candles? Is this safe? I experienced a great twin flame during the last burn, the flame was large and wild.

Miss Aida · Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:11 pm

Hello, endoftherainbow

I wouldn't recommend loading the candles with honey if you're inexperienced.

This way seem to be working just fine

Also, I have edited your posts and have deleted all the asterisks after your last sentences.

Wishing you GREAT success

Take care

endoftherainbow · Unread post by **endoftherainbow** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:13 am

Thank you Miss Aida! My life is ruled by 8 and I'm an Aquarius [where the asterisks came from].

I do a little candle making on my own but am a complete novice, you nailed it! Thank you for the great input and I too hope for GREAT success.

Greatly appreciate all the hard work from everyone at LM!

abq · Unread post by **abq** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:38 am

Hello and blessing to all

I am new to this forum but i have been reading about the making of honey jars which is my intention for attracting back my love interest. I understand you need sweet herbs like cardamon, catnip, with come back to me oil, licorice and calamus for a little dominance over his thoughts. I do have pictures of him but no physical items. should I also place a picture of me in it? and of course my intentions on the paper.
Please advise on this matter as I would like to make the correct honey for my purpose. We are at the moment in this friendship zone after being intimate for several months. He is a scorpio and I am an aquarius. I know he is still interested as he always response back to me and still makes very flirty remarks but thats it. I want more from him...

Thanks

Sister Jean · Unread post by **Sister Jean** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:50 am

Hello abq,

I think your plan for your honey jar sounds great! Yes you can use pictures if you don't have hairs. Good luck to you.

abq · Unread post by **abq** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:31 pm

tks sister jean
i also thought of putting hibiscus, and just keeping his pic not mine since im using calamus and licorice. also 2 lodestones, rose pedals, saffron and come to me, love oils. i will anoint my pink candle with come to me, love and attraction oils.
too much?

Moonlightdream · Unread post by **Moonlightdream** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:08 pm

Are honey jars that are 30 ml too small? Does the size of the jar matter?

catherineyronwode · Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:05 pm

Moonlightdream

Thanks for asking. To answer you -- in this thread we are not dealing only with honey, but also with sugar, jam, and even candy. The common idea here is not how big the jar is, but the fact that the sweetener is CONTAINED -- that is, it is not sprinkled, ingested, added to a bath or floor wash, or released into water, air, earth, or fire.

We can make a sweetening spell out of a restaurant pack of sugar -- and we can make a sweetening spell in a little plastic restaurant container of strawberry jam. The concept is CONTAINMENT.

Miss Aida · Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:46 am

Hello, abq

Please do not put oils inside the honey jar

Honestly, I don't think the calamus and licorice would hurt your picture being inside the jar.

The oils on the candles sound GREAT

Take care

abq · Unread post by **abq** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:50 am

thank you ms aida.

abq · Unread post by **abq** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:58 am

ok my mistake miss aida. should i then make another honey jar. i did add the oils thinking it couldntt hurt. just did my jar yesterday. plz advise

R3driot · Unread post by **R3driot** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:12 pm

Is it safe to do a honey jar for reconciliation at the same time? as a vinegar jar to split up my man and the woman he has been cheating on me with? It's been about a week since he left. I have to fight for my family.

Sister Jean · Unread post by **Sister Jean** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:05 pm

Hello abq,

I think you should redo your honey jar, since Miss Aida said you shouldn't put oils in the jar, sorry.

Take care.

abq · Unread post by **abq** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:42 pm

I did thanks. Tks sister jean

Sister Jean · Unread post by **Sister Jean** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:31 am

Hello R3driot,

Is the honey jar for you and your boyfriend? Yes I believe you could do a honey jar at the same time as a vinegar jar, if the honey jar is for you and him. Good luck to you.

R3driot · Unread post by **R3driot** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:35 pm

Thank you for your prompt response. And yes I prepared the honey jar last night for myself and boyfriend. I prepared it last night with our names, birthdays, photos, his pubic hair and mine. Maybe it's just me but I can feel it working. I had a really intense sex dream about us last night and I have a premonition that he has the same dream. He and I often communicate and/or share dreams. I'm praying we reconcile and reunite soon.

abq · Unread post by **abq** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:58 am

hello again
quick questions- i made my honey jar but i forgot to add one ingredient my lodestones!!! would it be ok to open and add them. if yes would i just put them in and then mix when closed or should i leave them out?

Tabiti · Unread post by **Tabiti** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:27 am

Hello!
I recently have an only sexual relationship with a man. I like him, think he likes me too, but I want to make him desire me more often. We are both single right now. Is it a good idea to use a honey jar for the purpose? I don't want any romantic relationships right now, only a passionate, physical one. Will the spell work in this case?
Thank you!

Miss Aida · Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:21 am

Hello, abq,

We don't advocate opening a negative container spell.

But a honey jar can be opened to add more ingredients. So, you are good to go!

Take care

Miss Aida · Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:22 am

Hello, Tabiti

Yes, you can certainly do that

You might want to place red candles on this jar anointed with Kiss me now

www.luckymojo.com/kissmenow.html

Have fun!

Take care

abq · Unread post by **abq** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:17 am

thank you Miss Aida!!

catherineyronwode · Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:25 pm

Also, for the definitive and complete knowledge on sweet spells, please do check out the book "Hoodoo Honey and Sugar Spells" by my good friend and colleague Deacon Millett. You can read the entire Table of Contents for the book here:

http://luckymojo.com/hoodoohoneyandsugarspells.html

Order the book here:

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Hoodoo Honey and Sugar Spells: by Deacon Millett
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Click the blue Add To Cart button to order right here in the forum.

Good luck to you!

abq · Unread post by **abq** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:29 pm

thank you!!

abq · Unread post by **abq** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:28 pm

how long is average before one can see results on the honey jar?

catherineyronwode · Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:53 pm

Helo, abq --

There is no "average." Some spells work quickly, some slowly. Some petitions -- even those made to God in the form of prayer -- are denied.

Perhaps this web page will give you some ideas to think about:

HOW LONG SHALL I WAIT FOR REAL MAGICK SPELLS TO WORK?
http://www.luckymojo.com/spells/real.html#11

abq · Unread post by **abq** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:17 pm

Thank you Cat!

Tabiti · Unread post by **Tabiti** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:47 pm

Thank you, Miss Aida. Can I use a printed picture from Facebook? Could it be black and white or it has to be in color?

R3driot · Unread post by **R3driot** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:56 am

Thank you sister jean, I am seeing fast results with honey jar.

hopeandfaith · Unread post by **hopeandfaith** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:53 am

I have a court case jar for immigration/residence permit matters...I have additional herbs that I've purchased that I would like to add in the jar. Is it ok to open the jar and just put the herbs in?
Can I also add in another name paper with petition and herbs if it's related to the matter?
Thanks

Sister Jean · Unread post by **Sister Jean** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:17 am

Hello Tabiti,

Yes the photo can be from Facebook, and yes it can be black and white!

Take care.

Sister Jean · Unread post by **Sister Jean** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:18 am

Hello hopeandfaith,

Yes you can add more herbs if you need to, just open the jar and quickly put them in and then close the jar.

If you have a completely different petition though, you may want to just make an additional jar, so as not to confuse the first one.

Take care.

hopeandfaith · Unread post by **hopeandfaith** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:20 am

Thank you Sister Jean. I thought it was ok to work with several names in a honey jar?

cmhopkins7443 · Unread post by **cmhopkins7443** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:39 pm

I am putting together a sweetening jar spell together for my other half. Background...he has proposed, but withdrawn the proposal because I got caught flirting (text messages, naked pix) with my ex. We still live together, and I want to move forward, but he says he will never trust me again. I want to use brown sugar, because I need this to work in a hurry before he does something that I cant fix. I and using a white candle stuck with cloves for the trust element. I am adding Periwinkle (to cause your lover to cling to you), and Catnip ( to captivate and win the heart of your lover), but with the sugar and the packet ( my hair, his hair, folded into a picture of us together) I need something else to add.

1. What should my last item be?
2. What oil should I use?
3. What incense should I burn?

Thanks all!

Miss Aida · Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:35 pm

Hello, Forum Family Members,

Lately, we have been receiving many questions about honey jars that have been already asked and answered hundreds upon hundreds of times on the 111 pages of this thread.

In the future, please read the pages FIRST about honey jars prior to posting redundant questions. Otherwise, you will receive a standard answer saying to read the posts on this thread.

Thanks!
Aida

Tabiti · Unread post by **Tabiti** » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:57 am

I made a honey jar spell last night and now my cat is constantly going around the place where the jar was. Didn't use any herbs or oils that attract cats, neither left any traits. Has someone experienced something similar?

Miss Aida · Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:21 am

Hello, Tabiti ,

Yes, that can happen. Animals can be sensitive to magic, especially cats.

Take care

CuriouslilThing · Unread post by **CuriouslilThing** » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:28 pm

Hi there,

I wasn’t 100% sure where to post this but I figured since my original idea was a sugar jar that’d be the best place to post. Now, this is going to be (probably) a month long spell, I’d like to hear your thoughts on it. Please.

I will create a triangle out of pink candles with a trail of herbs (one clove at each candle & a mixture made of lavender, sugar & rosemary) and then in the center of the triangle I’ll have a sugar jar & in front of that an Adam and Eve candle (the ones you use for movement spells.) I’ll light the pink candles for a few minutes for 7 days. We already have a close friendship but I want to bring our friendship closer.

After all that is through I’ll use red candles in the place of the pink candles and then ADD, not replace, herbs for lust on the trail leading to each candle and inside of the sugar jar. The same Adam and Eve candles unburnt standing in front of the jar. Do it all over for 7 days.
Love will follow that, added herbs, same cycle, same Adam & Eve Candles. At the end of this cycle I’ll light the Adam & Eve candles on the 7th day. I’ll baptize the Adam candle for him and Eve for me at the very beginning that way through out the whole process both “hear” everything said. In a way like you would use a skull candle.

I have two red skull candles & a white skull candle as well. Should I use these at all? I’ll be using some of the sugar from the sugar jar in a cheese cake I’m baking him for his birthday. As I said, we’re already good friends. We go to the movies almost every week, talk frequently and I know this might not be of importance but our zodiac signs are the perfect signs for each other. We have had sex twice before but it was long ago. If this is going to work I want it to go at a slow pace. I don’t want anything to be rushed. I want it to take it at a normal pace. Like a typical relationship. Thank you for any thoughts or advice. Very appreciated.

Thank you

abq · Unread post by **abq** » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:07 pm

Question
I have heard of heating your Honey jars for faster results. If so how long would one heat it up for and how?

RevJames · Unread post by **RevJames** » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:41 am

Abq -

I have also read this in some of the social networking groups. I've seen some claim that microwaving or putting your honey jar in a hot water bath makes it work faster.

The only way I know how to "heat up" a honey jar is burn candles on or around it. That's the purpose of the candle. It seems to me a waste of gas/electricity to boil a pot of water just to heat honey for some specified amount of time, unless the point was to re-liquefy crystallized honey instead of speed up the work.

Miss Aida or Sister Jean may be able to provide better insight

abq · Unread post by **abq** » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:13 am

thank you Rev James. i also heard a tea light under the honey while it sits on an oil burner? Also upon reading more about ehat to put inside, your site states that you need personal concerns in the jar. I dont have any, my love interest and I havent been with each other intimately in a while and tbe times we see each other its for lunch or coffee. I disnt think about the honey after I saw his interest had slipped into a friendship. we do communicate regularly. i do have a picture of him and one of myself. would that work for now until i am able to get the hairs and add them to the jar?

Sister Jean · Unread post by **Sister Jean** » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:32 am

Hello CuriouslilThing,

I think that sounds like a lovely spell! And I think you're good to leave the skull candles out of it. If you use the sugar in his cheesecake, just be sure not to add any herbs to the sugar that aren't edible.

Good luck to you!

Sister Jean · Unread post by **Sister Jean** » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:35 am

Hello abq,

There is no reason to heat up a honey jar unless the honey is very crystallized. Just let it do its thing and don't fiddle with it so much.

Your question about pictures and personal concern has been answered over and over on this thread. Please read through it to gain a better understanding on honey jars before you ask more questions. Thanks.