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Re: never made a honey jar before, i need help!

Unread postby pathofsuccess » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:56 pm

I am going to start a Honey Jar Spell today....1st time.
My intention is to dominate and compel a person (not in a sexual way).
I want this person to do as I say, keep a promise and sign some law papers without giving me a hard time.
I already read the "ritual" on this site but I need proper information in order to be successful.
I am going to fill the bottom of the jar with some dried rose petals.
After I am going to place my folded petition, written on a brown paper. I am going to follow the instructions on this website.
As I don't have any personal item from my target I am going to use a picture.
Should I leave the picture inside the folded paper?
I am also going to add some herbs: licorice root, cascara sagrada, rosemary.
Should I add some other herbs such as: bay leaf, poppy seeds, sage, etc for protection, once this person is trying to harm me verbally?
I also have some oils: sage and compelling which I will add to the petition.
A "Do as I say" powder which is also going to be sprinkled inside the jar.


After this I plan to fill the jar with honey and close it.
I will burn a purple candle for 7 days because my intention is to dominate this person.
After the first week I will burn a candle every Mon-Wed-Fri.

Am I right with my spell???
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Re: never made a honey jar before, i need help!

Unread postby Turnsteel » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:12 pm

Hello.

pathofsuccess wrote:My intention is to dominate and compel a person (not in a sexual way).
I want this person to do as I say, keep a promise and sign some law papers without giving me a hard time.


pathofsuccess wrote:I am going to fill the bottom of the jar with some dried rose petals.


If you don't want love or sex why are you using rose petals? Leave them out.

pathofsuccess wrote:As I don't have any personal item from my target I am going to use a picture.
Should I leave the picture inside the folded paper?


Write your petition on the photo.

pathofsuccess wrote:I am also going to add some herbs: licorice root, cascara sagrada, rosemary.
Sounds good...

pathofsuccess wrote:Should I add some other herbs such as: bay leaf, poppy seeds, sage, etc for protection, once this person is trying to harm me verbally?


No no and no. If this person is back biting and trash talking you need Stop Gossip and Slippery Elm. And I'd do it as a separate work, don't try and do everything with one jar to save time or $.

pathofsuccess wrote:I also have some oils: sage and compelling which I will add to the petition.


The Sage Oil is out of place for commanding and controlling work, skip it.

pathofsuccess wrote:A "Do as I say" powder which is also going to be sprinkled inside the jar.


Fold the powder up in the photo and dress the candle with it after you use the Compelling Oil
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Re: never made a honey jar before, i need help!

Unread postby starsinthesky7 » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:24 pm

If you are going for domination...why would you use rose petals...that is for love situations. ;) In addition, I could have sworn that we addressed this situation or something similar. I think you can refer to the previous thread regarding this situation.

I would get prepare a jar of honey. I would include some calamus (control), Five finger grass (to get someone to do you a favor), licorice root (control) Rosemary is great to give a female power. You can include the poppy seeds to weaken the person to do what you ask. You can write your name over the targets face, to show that you are dominating them. I would put the petition inside the jar, or underneath the jar. That depends on you. Do as I say can go inside the jar as well, and work this with a purple candle.


Now doing what you want them to do, and to sign the papers is different intention than protection from slander. If you need some protection then you need to do that separate for the slander. You cannot throw everything all into one. For the stop gossip and slander, work a stop gossip candle and you can get that lit at the church.

And yes the sweet jar is great to help get this person to sign the papers. I would burn this candle...Tuesday (domination) Thursday for Domination, and perhaps Wednesday for the communication aspect of this spell.
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Re: Help! Honey Jar- Cayenne Pepper!!

Unread postby GoldenFlow7 » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:21 am

Hi Workinprogress,

Yes its good to also read the LM site too, I did read the forum too but did not find anything until I happen to find a link on LM talking about pepper and thats when I made the connection and decided to post to the forum and look at the result!:) I called the shop and they told me to rinse the stuff off in running water and then plant them in a flower pot (since I dont have a yard:) which I did I have not seen any movements on his side yet but I am positive, plus I saw the signs, its been less than a week since I redid the jar, I am also feeling better too because I was beginning to also feel angry with others especially men and developed a nasty headache and the moment I redid it the headache got less, then disappeared in a few days, I feel more calm, loving and peaceful too. Amazing! Cayenne is really powerful!
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Re: never made a honey jar before, i need help!

Unread postby pathofsuccess » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:57 pm

I just made my honey jar today.
I used a small jar which I dressed inside with the Compelling Oil.
I wrote the target's name 7 times and crossed with my name 9 times (2 x more for domination) and wrote my petition making a circle with the crossed names on it.
I dressed the corners of my target's picture with compelling oil, as well my petition paper.
I added some rosemary, cascara sagrada and poppy seeds. I folded the paper towards me as many times as I could. I also wrote the target's name 3x and do as I say in a circle behind the target's picture.
I put everything inside the jar and filled with honey.
I am burning a purple candle on top of the jar with "do as I say" written 3 x. (dressed with compelling oil)
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Re: Mold in My Honey Jar!

Unread postby nubiandiva » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:21 pm

I am now thinking that it may have been the herbs I was using in my jar (damiana, rose, etc.) I started a new jar with a mason jar that I sterilized on Sunday and today there appears to be mold again.

The herbs I am using didn't come from LM and I do know that herbs can get moldy over time. So, I will start again, minus the herbs this time.
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Re: Mold in My Honey Jar!

Unread postby ConjureMan Ali » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:04 pm

The power comes from those herbs and curios that you add to a honey jar. I've actually never heard of herbs developing mold in a honey jar...
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Re: Mold in My Honey Jar!

Unread postby kmew1315 » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:18 pm

Once could have been just happenstance. If you got mold a second time when you used a clean, sterilized, new jar, I'd get a reading done.
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Re: Mold in My Honey Jar!

Unread postby catherineyronwode » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:18 pm

Herbs that are not properly dried will mould. Get some righteous herbs (you know we carry them) and that may help.

Alternatively, are you sure this is actually mould? I have seen folks freak out over gains of dust and think there was mould in their oils, mould in their food, mould all over the kitchen counter.

More than a reading, you may need a rootwork consultation -- or you may wish to start with a well-put-together honey jar kit, see how it is done, and learn from that. Reason i say that is that you should not have loose herbs all in your honey anyway. They should be folded up in the petition paper.
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Re: Mold in My Honey Jar!

Unread postby kmew1315 » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:19 pm

catherineyronwode wrote:Alternatively, are you sure this is actually mould? I have seen folks freak out over gains of dust and think there was mould in their oils, mould in their food, mould all over the kitchen counter.


Good point. I used to work at an IHOP and we'd always make sure that those little stringy things on the eggs weren't there before we brought the food out because the customers would always say there's hair in their egg when it was really just the egg.
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Re: 1 Honey Jar for 5 targets

Unread postby y2241 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:16 am

thanks =)
i'm gonna start my honey jar today!
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Re: 1 Honey Jar for 5 targets

Unread postby jwmcclin » Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:35 am

Friday is a good day especially with the added power of the waxing moon.
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Which apple conjure to work for love?

Unread postby thegoldman » Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:46 pm

Hi everyone,
I'm confused about this apple spell. In Cat's book, I read the apple can be buried in the yard of the couple. As a thirdperson conjure, the apple is part of a potted plant watered with holy water. But online about container spell, I read a candle is lit on the container holding the apple.

I don't want to work the potted plant version because every plant I've had usually gets infested with mites or some disgusting blight. :x :x Can I bury the apple in my yard since we don't live together? What about the part about lighting a candle on the apple containr?
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Re: Which apple conjure to work for love?

Unread postby jwmcclin » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:08 pm

You can bury the apple in your front yard and water it... where did you read about burning a candle on top of an apple?
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Re: Which apple conjure to work for love?

Unread postby cabriellenil » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:11 pm

I first read about burning a pink candle on the top of a cored apple in Hyatt Spells a few years ago. I don't remember the details anymore, but there should be name paper(s) inside the core then you burn the candle for 7 days, then bury it. There're different variations of this spell too I think.
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Re: Mold in My Honey Jar!

Unread postby nubiandiva » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:06 pm

Yes, unfortunately I have been using loose herbs (not folded) and I believe that is the problem. But as a green-thumber I know that it is not at all unusual for mold to grow on plants and herbs. You may not see it, but the spores are there and given the proper environment it will grow.

It's definitely mold, no doubt! I'm the Risk Manager for a construction company and one of my jobs is to identify mold for the plumbing subs, etc. and this is the real deal!!

So my plan is to dump the new one tomorrow and start anew WITHOUT the herbs! Funny thing is, I initially started my jar five months ago without herbs and it was fine until I decided I wanted to amp up my jar...and coincidently, before I added the herbs, the results were fabulous - I even posted a testimonial things were going so well.

I had a reading back in Oct. 2009 with Cat and all was very, very good so I think the jar malady is just a snafu, but I'll get it back right, you better believe it!

Question? If per chance the mold has had a negative effect is there anything I can do to reverse it? OR, is creating a new, new, jar enough?

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Re: Which apple conjure to work for love?

Unread postby catherineyronwode » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:19 pm

All of these red apple / red onion spells come in many variations, with or without boxing and burial, and with or without candles and with or without potted plants -- and with or without the apple or onion (just using sugar, honey, or molasses). There is no ONE way to perform these spells any more than there is ONE way to make cake.
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Re: Which apple conjure to work for love?

Unread postby thegoldman » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:43 am

http://www.luckymojo.com/honeyjar.html

The part about lighting the candle on the apple is towards the top of the page.

1) I don't know about putting the apple in a container, then burying it. Wouldn't it get rotten in the can?

2) That might be the best way for me to do it; I'd get real paranoid if my houseplant got fungus and died, which is what normally happens in real life.

3) Can I bury the apple without the coffee can near a bush in my front yard or should I bury it in the coffee can?

4) Since this is for reconciliation, can I add personal concerns from both parties and some love herbs along with the honey and cinnamon powder?
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Re: How long to work a honey jar?

Unread postby GoldenFlow7 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:42 am

ConjureMan,
Thank you for that response "A lot of people sabatoge their work with worse than doubting-they ruin it with conflicting emotions. If they are doing love work, they switch between yearning and resentment, or depression. Remain positive and you will get positive results." I am guilty of doing this with my current love work, but I keep a journal to help me to pay attention to my self so that I know when I am working against myself and to get back on track. Many thanks again!

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Re: Mold in My Honey Jar!

Unread postby starsinthesky7 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:38 pm

I would get another reading and see if it will have any negative effects on your work. You can cover that with a 10 min reading. You could do a love uncrossing candle or even a road opener to remove any obstacles.
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Cleansing or preventing tampering

Unread postby taralight » Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:40 am

What are your thoughts about having things you do spiritual work with messed around by someone else?

I intended to start a honey jar for sweetening my colleagues today. Today my awful housemate (whom I was not expecting home) unpacked one of the bags and left herbs and other items all over the counter top. I feel like her energies have now gotten mixed up with the things I want to work with. I can replace the herbs and am using the ones she touched to make mop water instead. However some of the other stuff are expensive to replace. I am hoping that because they came sealed, they will be ok to use and I gave all of them a dusting with salt. My jar of honey she did not touch, and I kept my candles and oils in my room.

Am I being too sensitive here or should I replace everything?
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Re: Cleansing or preventing tampering

Unread postby jwmcclin » Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:09 am

You should be more careful, you do not want anyones negative energies affecting your positive outcome.
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Re: Cleansing or preventing tampering

Unread postby freegirl » Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:30 am

I think you are probably overly stressing out, but your own doubts will not help your work at this point. If you can put them away it's probably not a big deal that she was near your herbs.
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Re: Cleansing or preventing tampering

Unread postby J Simulcik » Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:38 am

Hoodoo puts much less emphasis on what happens to herbs before they are used than does European-based traditions. Many rootworkers ordered supplies through various supply houses and pharmacies, especially after the great migration. Primary emphasis is on having the correct species and that it is clean/properly dried. There's no telling who and how many touched them before you bought them, either. It will be ok :)
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Re: Cleansing or preventing tampering

Unread postby taralight » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:51 am

Thank you for the advice :D

I have replaced my herbs and will keep the others. It's true that I might be stressing too much but I've always been a little sensitive about having my things go through someone else's hands, and this girl has been a nightmare to live with so it's hard to shrug it off.
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What will best compliment my reconciliation honey jar?

Unread postby ghostsong » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:53 pm

Hello all - I have come to share my situation and am seeking some advice,

I am still in love with a man I was in a relationship with for 3 1/2 years but have been broken up for over a year now (yet we've been on again/off again since). Our relationship had a very, very painful ending and he's told me he still has feelings but we just have such a bad history together (lots of pain/drug addiction,etc). I have tried to get over him, and he has even moved away even though we see each other and there's still an attraction every time he comes back to visit, like he is right now (visiting.

ANYWAY, moving on... Little over a week ago I made a honey jar with our tied hairs, a piece of bandana he used to wear around his neck daily for 2+ yrs, a sample of his writing (a heart with my name inside) and some herbs, etc. i had on hand - abrus seeds, lavender, 2 rose petals, 2 cloves, and of course the petition paper. I wasn't expecting improvement so suddenly but a few days after we were being very cuddly and close around our friends (which he hasn't treated me like that in public since we broke up).

Anyway, my first dilemma is that I missed 2 days of lighting my honey jar. The first time, I went with my gut and used a white candle to ask for forgiveness and to cleanse the honey jar and just start anew. However, I missed another day because I wasn't at home but out with 'him' and friends all night. Any suggestions as to how I might proceed now with the honey jar?

Also, and most importantly, I would like to do another spell or something to help heal things between us quicker and to help re-ignite feelings that I know are still there, buried beneath pain. What kind of spell should I do to draw us closer as lovers, but also help him trust me with his heart again?

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated, thanks for anyone who took the time to read this.
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Re: What will best compliment my honey jar?

Unread postby starsinthesky7 » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:32 pm

First you need to establish a schedule that you are going to burn on the honey jar. Most people do it monday, wednesday, Friday, however consistently burning it once a week on any of those days would be sufficient. BUT you must be consistent to get what you want.

Next, I would probably go back and purchase some more effective herbs that are more aligned with your intentions such as balms of gilead, damiana, and some violet leaf, and put them inside your honey jar. OR you can purchase a reconciliation vigil candle back up the work you have already done. This will help with the healing of this relationship.

I would actually consider doing a love uncrossing candle to remove any negativity that prevents your relationship from being reconciled, and better than it was before. For this you can get some uncrossing oil, or powder, with some rose petals, put it on a half red and black candle.

To ignite the feelings, I would do a love me spell kit.

As for the rushing of events, I would not rush things faster than they already are happening. I say this because you do not want a crappy relationship again, and for it to go to crap again. It is easier for things to be slow and steady rather than rush things for it to only fall apart. In addition, hoodoo can only address so much, and you must make sure you address those things that made this relationship fall apart in the first place which would be the addiction, pain, and whatever else. If he still has that addiction, or whoever had it, then you might want to think twice about engaging in this relationship.

Lastly, you need to get a reading to see if you should even pursue this relationship, and if it is healthy for you.
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Re: What will best compliment my honey jar?

Unread postby jwmcclin » Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:47 pm

I agree with starsinthesky7 (who gives great advice BTW) consider a reading and move forward on the uncrossing to remove the negativity followed by the honey jar which works great to keep things sweet.
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Re: What will best compliment my honey jar?

Unread postby ghostsong » Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:35 am

Thanks for your helpful responses Starsinthesky7,

First you need to establish a schedule that you are going to burn on the honey jar. Most people do it monday, wednesday, Friday, however consistently burning it once a week on any of those days would be sufficient. BUT you must be consistent to get what you want. Next, I would probably go back and purchase some more effective herbs that are more aligned with your intentions such as balms of gilead, damiana, and some violet leaf, and put them inside your honey jar. OR you can purchase a reconciliation vigil candle back up the work you have already done.


My original plan was to burn it every night for a week or two and then to slow down and burn only, like you said, on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. Because I've already screwed this rhythm up twice, do you feel it would be better to move ahead onto your other suggestions first, and get the more-appropriate herbs before I decide to begin burning on the jar again or should I resume work on Monday? Another question, I sealed the lid the honey jar shut with sealing wax, do you feel it's alright to open it, add the herbs, and re-seal? Also, I have a Chuparosa vigil that I was going to burn along with the jar on Fridays only... in fact, I did burn it two Fridays ago (last Friday is when I wasn't able to burn on the jar). Do you think I could use the same idea for the reconciliation vigil & burn it along with the jar on Fridays? Or was I maybe over doing it?

I would actually consider doing a love uncrossing candle to remove any negativity that prevents your relationship from being reconciled, and better than it was before. For this you can get some uncrossing oil, or powder, with some rose petals, put it on a half red and black candle.


Great idea, I'll definitely try this. I'll have to order the uncrossing oil/powder from Lucky Mojo, so unfortunately this isn't something I will be able to do while he is still in town as he's leaving on Thursday. It's not that I won't be seeing him again in a couple of months, I just wanted to leave an "impression" on him while he's down here so that he'll keep me in his thoughts while he's away. Do purely those perfume oils work at all, I wonder. I just don't see how they would considering this is ROOTwork, you know?

To ignite the feelings, I would do a love me spell kit.


I will try this. Would it be okay to order the kit and work it when I receive it, even though I won't be actually seeing him next in late May... or would it be better to wait on working the kit until right before I see him again?

As for the rushing of events, I would not rush things faster than they already are happening. I say this because you do not want a crappy relationship again, and for it to go to crap again. It is easier for things to be slow and steady rather than rush things for it to only fall apart.


Yes, I completely agree. I choose to work the honey jar first so I could pace myself. I know it's going to take time, and I'm perfectly fine with that, I just want to feel more ensured that I'm on the path to reconciliation. I've had little over a year and a half to realize that I care enough for him to jeopardize the possibility of heartbreak again. I definitely don't want this rushed but I would like to see a strong healing process between us begin.

If he still has that addiction, or whoever had it, then you might want to think twice about engaging in this relationship.


This is not really a problem anymore other than the memory of painful things we did to each other in the past. We're both in recovery, and I realize a relationship between people in recovery isn't the best idea however we've both moved on from that lifestyle and have no intent or interest in going back. If I felt that being with him would ultimately be a repeat of what already happened, I wouldn't pursue it. Anyway, it's just hard because we messed things up between us so much before. We both genuinely care for and love each other, we just haven't made things right between us. Whether lovers or just friends, I honestly just want to repair what's been damaged. I will try and get a reading soon to get a better idea of how to approach this. I looked on the Association of Independent Readers & Rootworkers page and found someone on the list who lives only 10-15 mins away from me. Do you know if most of the readers do their readings online or in person?

Anyways, thanks so much for all of your help. It really is appreciated and as jwmcclin said, you've given me great advice. Oh, and sorry for my long posts - I have lots of questions I'd like to get opinions on, haha.
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Re: What will best compliment my honey jar?

Unread postby j82 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:36 pm

you might want to look into blessing/healing work. you can dress a white figure candle and dress it with the oils, pick the herbs that appeal to you best for the situation ( or refer to cats book its amazing). blessing products and healing products can both be used to heal both physical and emotinal issues.
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Re: What will best compliment my honey jar?

Unread postby starsinthesky7 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:46 pm

Why do a schedule of lighting that you keep on not following through on? I understand you want to be ambitious here,however, you need to find a schedule that you can handle, and be consistent. So you need to think about what you can do consistently, you can always increase it later on, or burn it on an extra day. Personally, I would continue work on the honey jar, and then add the more appropriate herbs when you get them. You can either open the honey jar, and put them in, or put them on the candle that you burn on top. For the reconciliation vigil, I would burn it on Monday (day of healing).


I would actually start with the love uncrossing candle FIRST to get rid of the negativity in this relationship. THEN proceed with the honey jar, and any other candles that you may do. The spell kit I would start when you get it if that is a feasible time for you to do it. It will give the spell kit time to start manifesting.


As for the AIRR rootworker, you need to call and browse their page to see how they conduct the reading. Some do strictly online, or phone, and others offer in person. So you need to call and see what they offer.
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Re: What will best compliment my honey jar?

Unread postby ghostsong » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:57 pm

The reason I missed burning on the honey jar are for, well, stupid and not well thought out reasons. Basically after seeing sudden improvement with how 'he' was treating me, I felt the honey jar was working... only to find that a few nights later he was very stand-off-ish and another girl was flirting with him. I was very hurt that night and let my emotions run wild, so I cried myself to sleep without lighting the jar. The second occasion is when I left to see him and our friends, intending fully to return home that night, only to wake up the next morning at my friends house. Both nights I drank, so I wasn't in a clear mind set and I obviously didn't give near a reasonable alloted time for the jar to work itself. Unfortunately, like I said, I wasn't thinking clearly. Anyway, obviously this has been a wake-up call and I've weighed what's more important - getting wasted, forgetting things or keeping a clear mind so I can focus on what matters. Yes, I've chosen the latter. You are absolutely right though, I didn't have my jar burning schedule in perspective with what other activities I'd chosen to do. I got a little ahead of myself, thinking I'd be able to devout myself to two things at one time, each which required my presence and participation. If the jar needs consistency, then I will need to figure out a schedule that seems/feels right but is also something I'll be able to keep up with routinely.

Anyway, as far as "more appropriate herbs" goes, I looked through Cat's HH&RM book and found that I do currently have the following, love-drawing herbs:
- Catnip, Hibiscus, Passion Flower, Patchouli, Pennyroyal, Rose buds, Rose hips, Star Anise, Tonka/love beans along with one fraudulent package of Adam & Eve root (although I believe I read somewhere that Cat said Balm of Gilead buds aren't a bad substitution).

I am going to order the herbs that you suggested for the jar as well, I was just wondering if you feel any of the above might be good to add as well. I wish I would of looked through ALL the dried herbs I have instead of just newly bought ones when preparing my honey jar.

Thanks again everyone, especially Starsinthesky7, for helping me so much with this issue. You've given me a lot to think over and have clarified several things of confusion for me. When I feel I have gained enough rootwork knowledge to help others, I will pass everything down that was kindly enough passed down to me (like you seem to be doing). This might seem sappy, but I am just very appreciative of any helpful advice or knowledge that given.

p.s. I know I tend to babble on when I write and because of this I also let out maybe a little too much information. That's just me, but if it's more bothersome than it is helpful to those responding... tell me so I know to get to the point a little more directly next time. As you can see, this is only my third post so I'm not yet accustomed as to what might yield a more likely response. Thanks again.
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Re: What will best compliment my honey jar?

Unread postby cabriellenil » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:21 am

Reconciliation work is tough coz it comes with a lot of stress and baggage. Or doing love work on someone who currently doesn't seem to want to be with you is tough anyway - when you're here to think about/watch over your prospect with someone and care for that person, who's there to care for you? For this reason I can understand why you'd spill details in your post, and you also want to explain your reasons/workings so others can give helpful responses.

But as many fellow members have noted, you don't want to discuss your work in public, e.g. when a honey jar is ongoing, I wouldn't post details about how the candles are burning, etc. and ask for others' opinions. Or, I wouldn't explain why I'm doing or not doing certain things with a particular spell, unless I absolutely have to ask a question about it (and even then I'd be a little brief/evasive, just enough info to elaborate on my purpose). That's because you need to keep the energy of your work (and readings, if you get them) clean. Thoughts are things, yours or others'.

That said, Stars gave good advice (as always!) about uncrossing work. I always do a 13 herb bath too a bit before I start any major work, then a road opening bath (or three of them) plus candle work, then move onto what needs to be done. It's hard for us to say what exactly you need to do unless you get a reading to identify the issues and how to tackle them. I'd advise you to get one too so you can work out a game plan - your results will manifest faster that way.

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Re: Which apple conjure to work for love?

Unread postby catherineyronwode » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:59 am

Goldman, in response to your recent set of questions:

1) I have never been fond of the apple rotting alone in the container. I prefer to grow a plant on it, for reasons described at (2) below.

2) If you have qualms about growing house plants, you can bury the open container with the apple at the base of an already-growing large tree or shrub outdoors. The point of having a plant on it is that the plant's roots reach down and draw up the energy as the apple decomposes, and spread that energy into the world, the same way a candle would spread the energy from a glass jar or bottle honey spell.

3) No, this is a container spell. You are missing the point if you don't contain it. In African American folk-magic, most magical iems are tied, wrapped, or contained. This is an important part of their preparation and a characteristic of our tadition.

4) Of course you can add personal concerns -- that is what personalizes and links the spell to you and the one with whom you seek to reconcile!

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Would an old spell affect somehing new I do?

Unread postby Ptforever » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:43 am

Hey friends, wonder if you guys can give me some advice. So do we need to undo a simple honey jar spell (no herbs or oils were used), if we think we didn't do it right and hence it didn't work? I heard from he uy at first but then when I stopped burning candles obviously he didn't call back and that didn't change even when I started burning candles again.
I'm askin coz in case I wanna do something else, would that honey jar spell affect the effects of the new one even though I think it didn't work.
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Re: Would an old spell affect somehing new I do?

Unread postby NotDorianGray » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:45 am

Well, you'll want to unmake the honey jar. Bury the contents and rinse out the jar, then recycle it. Do some quick cleansing work on yourself and/or your workspace if you feel you need to, then start your new work.
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Re: Would an old spell affect somehing new I do?

Unread postby Ptforever » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:56 am

Thanks NotDorianGray. I did already discard the jar. One of my good friends suggested I rinse the honey and without tearing the pic,I rinsed the honey inthe sunk thanking it for trying to work for me and apologizing for not doingthings right. And then. I put the empty jar and our picture with any wax residue I had in a brown bad and put it in the trash bag again saying thankyou. How do I cleanse my elf? Just taking bath with salt water? Would that help to get any negativity out?
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Re: Would an old spell affect somehing new I do?

Unread postby catherineyronwode » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:12 am

To cleanse yourself of old influences, use Van Van bath crystals, or a few drops of Van Van oil in your bath water.

By the way, i was taught not to rince a honey jar down the drain but to feed the ants with it -- pour it out under a shrub or treaa away from your house. Giving back to nature is a way of completing the cycle, csince the honey came to you from nature in the first place.
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Reconciliation Honey Jar

Unread postby divinedaughter » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:39 pm

I have read the instructions regarding the preparation of the honey jar

However, I see that it requires hair. Although I would be able to get access to his hair, I have his semen and I feel adding this along with my fluids in place of our hair would create a more powerful result

Can someone shed some light on this for me please?

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Re: Reconciliation Honey Jar

Unread postby catherineyronwode » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:51 pm

Personal concerns come in all types. Semen is more personal than hair, so use it freely if you have it. Mix it with your own sexual fluids -- for reconciliation you want and even balance of the two individuals, blended together in harmony.
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Honey Jar

Unread postby blovinglife » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:31 pm

Does a honey jar lose is effectiveness if the subject walks in and sees the candle burning on it? If so, what should I do?

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Re: Honey Jar

Unread postby starsinthesky7 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:37 pm

Not necessarily, and they probably don't even know that it is concerning them. I would continue with the honey jar just as is, and if you are concerned about them seeing it then in the future be more discreet about it, or burn it when they are not home. You will be fine though.
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Re: Would an old spell affect somehing new I do?

Unread postby Ptforever » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:42 pm

catherineyronwode wrote:To cleanse yourself of old influences, use Van Van bath crystals, or a few drops of Van Van oil in your bath water.

By the way, i was taught not to rince a honey jar down the drain but to feed the ants with it -- pour it out under a shrub or treaa away from your house. Giving back to nature is a way of completing the cycle, csince the honey came to you from nature in the first place.


thanks Catherine.
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Re: Reconciliation Honey Jar

Unread postby divinedaughter » Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:30 am

Thanks Miss Cat! Does it matter that I have had it for several days in the open? I placed it in a glass dish and covered it but it is now dry.

I KNOW I am not going to get another opportunity to get this from him again as he is shutting down the lines of communication and has stated he is moving out of our home the 2nd week of April.

Can anyone suggest any other work that may be helpful? He is my husband of 7 years (this May) and I am deathly afraid of losing this man and my best friend.

PEACE AND LIGHT
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Re: Reconciliation Honey Jar

Unread postby Devi Spring » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:36 am

No, it doesn't matter if the semen is dried.

You need a reading to see what is really going on, and what magical acts are most likely to successful in your individual case. Also, you may wish to hire the working to do some work on your behalf if it's appropriate.
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Re: reconciliation Honey Jar

Unread postby HeactesHeart » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:17 pm

Dear Johannes,

How would one go about taking the measure of someones house or car and how can that be applied to a reconciliation Honey Jar spell ?

Thank You.

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Re: reconciliation Honey Jar

Unread postby catherineyronwode » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:20 pm

Coco, taking a measure is to measure the person's genitals. It is a form of personal concern. It might be placed in a honey jar, but it is more often carried in a mojo bag.

Measuring their house or car would have no relevance to a reconciliation honey jar, which is the topic of this thread.

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Sweet Jars and The Doctrine of Signatures

Unread postby HeactesHeart » Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:09 pm

Sweet Jars and The Doctrine of Signatures

I have been thinking about the use of sweet jar spells .How some use honey,others cane sugar and still others use syrup.

While using what you have on hand is practical, can the sweet jar be made more effective if consulted with the Doctrine of Signatures?

Is Sugar Beet sugar a better choice ingredient for a female target due to the womb-like shape of the beet and that the part used grows underground in darkness.

Would beet sugar be a good choice for secret loves due to that hidden nature of the beet.

Is corn syrup more male in nature due to the shape of corn and it grows above ground?

Would Honey be better for love paired with communication. The nature of bees is to be in constant communication with each other and the hive. That energy is in the honey.
Could a Honey be a better choice for making contact with someone who is distant. Raw honey dose not spoil and thousand year old honey found in Egyptian Tombs was still edible.
Can honey be a better choice for a lasting love ?

Maple Syrup ,made from sap that runs in the early spring. Could that be used for passion and sex, getting those juices flowing?

Can the same be said for cane juices and passion?

Agave nectar comes from a cactus. How about a agave sweet jar for a relationship that has hit a dry spell?

Would those connections from plant to spell jar make your work more powerful?

Can creating links of understanding between a plants properties and your spell intentions produce a more meaningful work?

Is this a way to befriend the spirit of the plant in Hoodoo? I look forward to your ideas.

Just a little Bon-Bon for the Hoodoo mind. :)

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Re: Reconciliation Honey Jar

Unread postby divinedaughter » Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:56 pm

Thx Devi. I am so overwhelmed with emotion it is hard to know what the right thing to do is at this time.

I agree I need to have a divination done to gain some insight into his motivation right now. I have been looking on the AIRR website and have come across several profiles that look promising.

Is there anyone out there than can recommend a good reader/worker from their own personal experience?

PEACE AND LIGHT,

Divine
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Re: Reconciliation Honey Jar

Unread postby MysticRootworker » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:19 pm

I have had a reading with Miss Bri and I love her. She is a very sweet person and I believe she is on target. Miss Cat reads too you know. I havent gotten the opportunity to work with her yet but I will sometime. Best of luck to you. Keep having faith. Get your reading and go from there. I wish you all the best in this. Also- I have used semen that I had on a tissue in a honey jar before.
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Re: Sweet Jars and The Doctrine of Signatures

Unread postby MysticRootworker » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:24 pm

As usual Coco- so very interesting! I am going to be making a new honey jar soon..... Gonna take this all into consideration!
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Re: Reconciliation Honey Jar

Unread postby divinedaughter » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:30 pm

Thx to everyone for their replies

I will post an update once I get the reading and begin work

PEACE AND LIGHT,

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Re: Sweet Jars and The Doctrine of Signatures

Unread postby catherineyronwode » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:37 pm

Excellent food for thought, Coco.

Historically, what people used in their sweetening spells is whatever they had on hand, but with more choices in today's world of commercial transport and gourmet shopping, we can choose whatever we like.

I'd like to add that there are literally hundreds of different types of honey, gathered from as many different plants -- and those plants may themselves have magical ascriptions. At Lucky Mojo, we work with a friendly bee-keeper to select different varieties of honey for our different honey jars. :-)
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Re: Sweet Jars and The Doctrine of Signatures

Unread postby ConjureMan Ali » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:24 pm

Definately interesting thought path there, Coco! You may very well be on to something.
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Re: Sweet Jars and The Doctrine of Signatures

Unread postby NotDorianGray » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:21 pm

I quite simply use stuff that I like the taste of. Therfore, my sweet jars tend to be made with blackstrap molasses or maple syrup. What you say is really interesting and a good thought, but I personally wouldn't use a sweetner that I didn't enjoy the taste of.
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Re: Best Colors For Love Honey Jar

Unread postby catherineyronwode » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:21 am

Moondancer wrote, "the magic ultimately comes from you the petitioner"

This belief is not the basis of hoodoo. It is, however, the basis of Neo-Pagan magic and New Age affirmation magic.

In hoodoo we work with spirits and with God.

The spirits may include those of angels, ancestors, the dead, animals, and herbs; even minerals are considered to be alive and to be spiritually aware.

Thus "the magic" -- our successful jobs -- are the result of our working with our spiritual allies, and in order to get them to affect the target of our desires, we may also require the name, the birthdate, and a physical link to the person we are working on, so that the spirits know where to go.

We may additionally add visual reinforcement to our work in the form of special colours for our candles, cloth bags, or altar coverings, in order to help us focus our intentions better and to attract like-minded spirits -- but in the end, it is the SPIRITS and our PRAYERS, not a candle colour and not our mere selves -- that accomplish the work.

In the honey jar work, and with sweetening spells in general, we are either working with the honey that bees have extracted and refined from sweet nectar-rich flowers or with the sweet refined essences of plants. These flowering plants (and the bees) are our spiritual allies. Because many flowers that smell sweet and attract bees are pink and red, and because the menstrual blood or oestral blood of mammals is red, and because babies are born with blood, we look to colours like pink for romance and red for the passion that leads to sex and birth.

But here's the thing: In hoodoo, it is not only about US -- it is about SPIRIT and PRAYER, so a pink candle is more significant if we carve it with our lover's name and smear it with an oil made with sweet flower essences and with our mentrual blood, and place it on top of a honey jar in which we have captured the physical tokens of our lover -- hair, fingernails, a photo, a name and birthdate. Then we pray -- we call on our ancestors who had happy marriages to come to our aid, we call on the sweetness of the honey and the way that the bees made it from nectar to refine the sweetness in our lovers' heart, we ask the spirits of the beautiful sweet roses and honeysuckle and the reckless sexual abandon of the juniper berries, and the spicy heat of ginger to infuse and enflame the mind and body of the one we love.

It is the whole company of spirits and allies, not just "the practitioner" that accomplishes this work.
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Re: Sweet Jars and The Doctrine of Signatures

Unread postby J Simulcik » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:58 pm

This matches well with the tradition of matching the sweetener to the color of the targets skin.
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Re: Sweet Jars and The Doctrine of Signatures

Unread postby kimberlyanne » Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:43 pm

Love the thought! This is good stuff!
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Re: Honey Jar Questions and Answers

Unread postby ConjureMan Ali » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:25 pm

Wonderfully said, Miss cat!
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Re: Did I Mess Up? Honey Jar with Loose Herbs

Unread postby Simpleme » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:14 am

oh wow I didn't throw away the left overs from my jar at a cross roads when I washed out my jar to start over. I threw it in the targers flower garden in front his house. Ah well its done. I'll just do a cleansing and start my jar again and pray for the best.
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