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Corner CHAT LOG: Tatas Loango Oriate, Selling Sacred Objects

On Mondays, Palo priest Candelo Kimbisa hosts the meeting place for all the world's spiritualities, with free Readings on the Corner for callers once a month.

Corner CHAT LOG: Tatas Loango Oriate, Selling Sacred Objects

Unread postby nagasiva » Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:59 pm

Candelo's Corner: Tatas Loango and Oriate on the Selling and Buying Sacred Objects

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/candelosco ... ed-objects

Selling and buying sacred objects. It seems every day we see pictures of sacred
religious objects at flea markets, people selling Ngangas, Luceros, Eleguas and
the like online at high prices. Many of these objects are sacred only to the
person who owned them; the objects have a pact only to work with that person.
Often it is considered very bad luck for another to possess these objects: They
will bring chaos into the new owner's home and life. Similar things can and will
be said about buying such things online. We will say that and more tonight on
the Corner, with our special guest: Tata Oriate.

Tune in Monday nights on the LMC Radio Network for Candelo's Corner at 5pm PT,
8pm ET, online, call in by phone 646-478-5072 and press '1' to be on the air, or
'Click-to-Talk' via a computer interface. Join in chat using a registered
BlogTalkRadio account.

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2016-04-25 06:57:15 PM EFStill Hola! (})
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2016-04-25 07:01:09 PM Candelos Corner Radio nsala malecu !!!
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2016-04-25 07:01:26 PM MfumuLoango Malekum sala
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2016-04-25 07:07:20 PM csbknative73 hey yall!
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2016-04-25 07:08:03 PM EFStill Sorry to hear that.
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2016-04-25 07:09:51 PM FionaBenjamin Good evening, everyone <3
2016-04-25 07:10:11 PM RHM Dena Licencia is SOOO important
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2016-04-25 07:10:19 PM RHM Dena Hello @Fiona
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2016-04-25 07:11:39 PM Christine Pappas (}) hello!
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2016-04-25 07:12:03 PM EFStill Hi, all!
2016-04-25 07:12:26 PM FionaBenjamin Hi Dena!
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2016-04-25 07:14:00 PM FionaBenjamin Hi Michael :D
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2016-04-25 07:14:23 PM Readings by Wen Buenas noches
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2016-04-25 07:16:06 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll In! Hi all.
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2016-04-25 07:16:17 PM ArmandoRoman Hi all, what's the name of the guest?
2016-04-25 07:16:32 PM Readings by Wen Tata Oriate
2016-04-25 07:16:36 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Tata Oriate
2016-04-25 07:16:40 PM EFStill No, he couldn't make it.
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2016-04-25 07:16:49 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Oh then i don't know.
2016-04-25 07:16:53 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll I just arrived, sonically.
2016-04-25 07:17:07 PM RHM Dena It is sad that they were not passed down thru the the 'family'
2016-04-25 07:17:14 PM EFStill I thought it was MfumuLoango from the chat.
2016-04-25 07:17:20 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Religions have allowingness.
2016-04-25 07:17:28 PM FionaBenjamin Is that Michael with Candelo then?
2016-04-25 07:17:30 PM RHM Dena *if I could write correctly tonight :)
2016-04-25 07:17:48 PM EFStill Three of them are on air.
2016-04-25 07:17:56 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Carlos Montenegro
2016-04-25 07:17:59 PM MichaelCorrell yup im here
2016-04-25 07:18:08 PM MichaelCorrell and another Tata
2016-04-25 07:18:14 PM MfumuLoango im here on air
2016-04-25 07:18:23 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Thank you, Mfumu.
2016-04-25 07:18:32 PM FionaBenjamin Oh ok
2016-04-25 07:18:35 PM ArmandoRoman Thanks!
2016-04-25 07:18:39 PM TanyaRondon Hola Tata's! (})
2016-04-25 07:19:17 PM MichaelCorrell Hola Tanya
2016-04-25 07:19:30 PM FionaBenjamin Hey Tanya! (though not a tata lol)
2016-04-25 07:19:49 PM TanyaRondon Fi! YOu made it!
2016-04-25 07:19:52 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Religious are like lawyers, occultists/sorcerers are like outlaws.
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2016-04-25 07:20:13 PM FionaBenjamin yes
2016-04-25 07:20:16 PM RHM Dena Preach on
2016-04-25 07:20:16 PM MichaelCorrell Yes Mufti
2016-04-25 07:20:42 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll It's a fascinating dynamic between religion and magic.
2016-04-25 07:21:00 PM Readings by Wen & that's how you end up with things like "The Dark Side of Santeria"
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2016-04-25 07:21:26 PM RHM Dena Right Readings by Wen
2016-04-25 07:21:32 PM MichaelCorrell Yup thanks carlos
2016-04-25 07:22:47 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll "The Dark Side of Santeria", hm. Aren't those different religions, though, and outsider views of each of these?
2016-04-25 07:23:14 PM MichaelCorrell yes Mufti thats the problem
2016-04-25 07:23:22 PM Readings by Wen (Tp) Tata Google
2016-04-25 07:23:30 PM Readings by Wen Si, GMST
2016-04-25 07:23:39 PM MichaelCorrell Santeria comes from the Yoruba region of Nigeria
2016-04-25 07:23:39 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Somebody interpreted Lukumi as "law-abiding" and what they assessed as Palo being "Dark Santeria"?
2016-04-25 07:23:51 PM Readings by Wen HUH!?!?!?
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2016-04-25 07:23:54 PM TanyaRondon OMG
2016-04-25 07:24:00 PM MichaelCorrell Palo Congo via Cuba
2016-04-25 07:24:10 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll It was surrounding the Matamoros murders.
2016-04-25 07:24:15 PM RHM Dena Ummm ew
2016-04-25 07:24:26 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll They also called it 'Satanism'.
2016-04-25 07:24:31 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll This is how i heard about it.
2016-04-25 07:25:13 PM csbknative73 Sad but he's so right, people are so ignorant
2016-04-25 07:25:24 PM MartaCorrellLAc yeah, and everyone thinks it's the "dark side of santeria," as if santeria is all love and light and palo is inherently evil
2016-04-25 07:25:26 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll "Get {things} from X." We're talking about human body parts, right?
2016-04-25 07:26:11 PM Readings by Wen :D
2016-04-25 07:26:26 PM TanyaRondon They wouldn't let my husband keep his leg.
2016-04-25 07:26:30 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Thanks very much, Candelo, lovely tune.
2016-04-25 07:27:02 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Similar attitudes (from ignorant folks) have been said about "Wicca is the Dark Side of nature worship". Or even "Wicca is the Light Side of Witchcraft". LOL
2016-04-25 07:27:21 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Fingerpainting in religions of which one may not know much.
2016-04-25 07:27:42 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll "Ahrimanism is the Dark Side of Satanism." etc.
2016-04-25 07:27:59 PM TanyaRondon Everything has a "Dark and Light" side. Or there is no balance.
2016-04-25 07:28:01 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Are these Dark and Light Side things ever realistic?
2016-04-25 07:28:24 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Is New Age the Light Side of the Paranormal?
2016-04-25 07:28:38 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Is Satanism the Dark Side of pagan religions?
2016-04-25 07:28:46 PM Guest2387 enter the room
2016-04-25 07:29:12 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Does Palo allow or encourage more aggressive and self-serving magical action?
2016-04-25 07:29:29 PM Papa Newt http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoojukeboxc ... olbox.html]
2016-04-25 07:29:35 PM TanyaRondon My theory, even in Satanism there is light and in New Age there is dark
2016-04-25 07:29:39 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll WTG, Papa Newt!
2016-04-25 07:29:47 PM Papa Newt :D
2016-04-25 07:30:28 PM MichaelCorrell Palo Agressive self serving? Id say yes
2016-04-25 07:30:54 PM MichaelCorrell thats part of what i like about it
2016-04-25 07:31:15 PM blkisis1 Yay!
2016-04-25 07:31:34 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Is the Cult of Dorje Shugden, the Kadampa Tradition, the Dark Side of Tibetan Buddhism?
2016-04-25 07:31:36 PM RHM Dena I believe it depends upon the Munanso community first and self is important as well - not the big picture
2016-04-25 07:31:36 PM Readings by Wen :) Eddie rules
2016-04-25 07:31:44 PM blkisis1 Me
2016-04-25 07:31:53 PM Guest2417 enter the room
2016-04-25 07:31:56 PM Readings by Wen :D(})
2016-04-25 07:31:59 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll http://www.hoodooheritagefestival.com
2016-04-25 07:32:08 PM RHM Dena YAY Readings by Wen!!!
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2016-04-25 07:32:24 PM Papa Newt I'll be making an appearance.
2016-04-25 07:32:31 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Oh boy!
2016-04-25 07:32:44 PM Readings by Wen :-* Dena
2016-04-25 07:32:48 PM MichaelCorrell ya I shall meet Papa Newt
2016-04-25 07:32:56 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Crystal Magic: Divination, Healing, and Spellcraft with Gems and Minerals, by Jon Saint Germain
2016-04-25 07:33:21 PM blkisis1 Thank you
2016-04-25 07:33:37 PM csbknative73 is that book already on Amazon?
2016-04-25 07:33:38 PM BonesShellsAndCurios enter the room
2016-04-25 07:34:04 PM Papa Newt No.
2016-04-25 07:34:07 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Get your tickets now at REGULAR ticket prices: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/2016-hoodo ... 9699084492
2016-04-25 07:34:21 PM Papa Newt The book will be available after the Hoodoo Heritage Festival
2016-04-25 07:34:28 PM csbknative73 gotcha thanks
2016-04-25 07:34:43 PM TanyaRondon I so wanted to be there. Y'all should make a trip up the coast. I'll make Puerto Rican food!!
2016-04-25 07:34:48 PM RHM Dena Awesome - on the book release!
2016-04-25 07:34:55 PM Papa Newt So Monday, May 16th will be available!
2016-04-25 07:35:08 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll http://www.blogtalkradio.com/luckymojoh ... otworkhour
2016-04-25 07:35:10 PM Papa Newt Though, Nagasiva, is there preorder for the new books?
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2016-04-25 07:36:50 PM Papa Newt Can't recall, but maybe the Grand Mufti of Satanism would know?
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2016-04-25 07:37:00 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojopublishing.html should have it soon.
2016-04-25 07:37:21 PM Papa Newt Thank you, Troll.
2016-04-25 07:37:39 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Sure thing! I know there is a schedule for pre-sales which will open soon.
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2016-04-25 07:37:56 PM MartaCorrellLAc they booted me too
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2016-04-25 07:38:19 PM Readings by Wen lol
2016-04-25 07:38:21 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Argue in the background is often the standard.
2016-04-25 07:38:34 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Moderation by those unused to doing so can be sketchy.
2016-04-25 07:38:35 PM csbknative73 thank you guys!
2016-04-25 07:39:06 PM MartaCorrellLAc only the admin was allowed to sell stuff lol
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2016-04-25 07:39:21 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll It maybe be an outlet for the moderator.
2016-04-25 07:39:26 PM MichaelCorrell yup
2016-04-25 07:39:44 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Does selling religious stuff make it unusable?
2016-04-25 07:39:47 PM MartaCorrellLAc he said this show "takes away" from his fb page
2016-04-25 07:39:52 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Or can it be re-purposed?
2016-04-25 07:40:13 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Is it like a CD where you can 'reformat' it and use it for yourself?
2016-04-25 07:40:18 PM shalomintlmin enter the room
2016-04-25 07:40:24 PM ArmandoRoman Michael, I disagree with you, I belong to that group and i have never seen anyone selling an Nganga, bones yes, but no NGANGAS.
2016-04-25 07:40:45 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Or does selling somehow "corrupt" and disrupt it or become offensive to the spirits who infuse / inhabit it?
2016-04-25 07:40:47 PM MartaCorrellLAc i've only seen bones and skulls, too
2016-04-25 07:41:05 PM MichaelCorrell a few users sold them and shared web sites where they do
2016-04-25 07:41:23 PM MichaelCorrell ngangas
2016-04-25 07:41:29 PM MartaCorrellLAc and he likes montenegro
2016-04-25 07:41:57 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Is Carlos Montenegro aware of the controversy of what he says/publishes?
2016-04-25 07:42:13 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll 'Derecho' means left?
2016-04-25 07:42:17 PM MartaCorrellLAc i'm sure he's heard about it
2016-04-25 07:42:22 PM Papa Newt quit the room
2016-04-25 07:42:32 PM TanyaRondon Derecho is Right
2016-04-25 07:42:36 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Ah thank you.
2016-04-25 07:43:08 PM catherine yronwode What's left?
2016-04-25 07:43:15 PM TanyaRondon Isquierda
2016-04-25 07:43:17 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Is 'right' a direction or a 'right' like politics?
2016-04-25 07:43:18 PM catherine yronwode Or what's wrong?
2016-04-25 07:43:30 PM catherine yronwode Or right like "correct"?
2016-04-25 07:43:50 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll I remember "a la derecho" is "to the right" like a directin.
2016-04-25 07:43:52 PM Candelos Corner Radio rite
2016-04-25 07:44:09 PM catherine yronwode Man, i am confused!
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2016-04-25 07:44:16 PM catherine yronwode permission!
2016-04-25 07:44:17 PM csbknative73 lol
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2016-04-25 07:44:26 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll right, permission, licensia?
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2016-04-25 07:44:38 PM Candelos Corner Radio yes
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2016-04-25 07:45:16 PM RHM Dena A la izquierda is Left and a la derecho is right (directional)
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2016-04-25 07:46:39 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll It's commonplace in 'magical religions' -- the attraction of potency.
2016-04-25 07:46:40 PM ArmandoRoman Derecho is like " a legal right" like the Bill of Rights...
2016-04-25 07:46:43 PM MichaelCorrell damn computer i missed much
2016-04-25 07:46:46 PM MartaCorrellLAc and derecho is also a financial tribute to the mpungo, as far as i know
2016-04-25 07:46:56 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Hermeticism has similar things: initiate and become all-powerful.
2016-04-25 07:47:06 PM MichaelCorrell That Palo FB page had very little to do with Palo
2016-04-25 07:47:40 PM MichaelCorrell Yes Marta thats what i thought
2016-04-25 07:47:42 PM MfumuLoango a derecho is used in several forms. as a direction or a right, as in permission.
2016-04-25 07:47:46 PM MartaCorrellLAc he put us through the ringer before he let us join, and then we saw that there were a bunch of newbws
2016-04-25 07:49:08 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll 16th century records of {what?}
2016-04-25 07:49:29 PM Readings by Wen El telefonito
2016-04-25 07:49:45 PM MichaelCorrell the language Bantu
2016-04-25 07:50:12 PM RHM Dena Bantu is many versions of Congolese and Spanish....complex
2016-04-25 07:50:14 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Permission, license, wisa?
2016-04-25 07:50:50 PM MichaelCorrell in Palo u need Licensia for everything
2016-04-25 07:51:04 PM RHM Dena yessssss
2016-04-25 07:51:13 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll I gathered. I didn't know about the particular term (wisa perhaps).
2016-04-25 07:51:22 PM ArmandoRoman Licensia is earned in Palo.
2016-04-25 07:51:34 PM MichaelCorrell i have no Licensia for cutting so any sacrifice is done by hand
2016-04-25 07:51:54 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Yes, authority appears to be passed along generally in religions. Palo seems exemplary in this regard, systematic authority-passing.
2016-04-25 07:51:58 PM MichaelCorrell messy
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2016-04-25 07:52:14 PM Readings by Wen Yikes, Michael
2016-04-25 07:52:18 PM MartaCorrellLAc no licensia for using a knife, so u cant initiate either
2016-04-25 07:52:31 PM MichaelCorrell yup
2016-04-25 07:53:03 PM RHM Dena Just because someone has the Tata infront of their name...you still need time
2016-04-25 07:53:47 PM MichaelCorrell Yes Im Tan
2016-04-25 07:53:55 PM MichaelCorrell ta Nkisi
2016-04-25 07:54:13 PM MichaelCorrell Tata Nkisi
2016-04-25 07:54:33 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Yes, proprietary, or confidential, or mysteries or secrets.
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2016-04-25 07:54:48 PM ArmandoRoman To initiate(Nkimba), a Tata needs a seprate ceremony and licensia has to be given to use the blade and have the rank oif Tata Nganga.
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2016-04-25 07:55:06 PM MichaelCorrell oops
2016-04-25 07:55:38 PM Readings by Wen (lol):D My kid is looking at me funny: he started jumping up and down when he heard the music.
2016-04-25 07:55:39 PM RHM Dena I know you are Michael - I am saying that whether you are a Tata or a Yaya - and have the title - one still requires time - just because a person is freshly Initiated into a higher level doesn't replace years of experience in ATR......this is statement ov
2016-04-25 07:55:46 PM RHM Dena overall....not slamming you
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2016-04-25 07:56:32 PM MfumuLoango Someone asked about records of the bantu from the 16th century. When you get a chance, google Kingdom of Loango. The Bantu were not as ignorant as many made them out to seem. They had a relationship with the Portuguese at the time and many records we made
2016-04-25 07:56:38 PM MfumuLoango in french and portuguese
2016-04-25 07:57:02 PM RHM Dena That is awesome MfumuLoango - I will definitely check that out! Thank you for sharing
2016-04-25 07:57:20 PM MfumuLoango Many recordings of the culture, beliefs and philosophy were written in french and portuguese
2016-04-25 07:57:23 PM MfumuLoango you are welcome.
2016-04-25 07:57:26 PM Readings by Wen Mfumu: any good translations into Spanish?
2016-04-25 07:57:52 PM MfumuLoango everything I found was in french and portuguse and kikongo...
2016-04-25 07:57:58 PM Readings by Wen :(
2016-04-25 07:58:37 PM TanyaRondon Portuguese is easy to decipher if you know Spanish.
2016-04-25 07:59:07 PM Readings by Wen spoken is easier, but you can miss a lot if you're trying to read it, I have found.
2016-04-25 07:59:18 PM MichaelCorrell Palo is more Spanish/Batu
2016-04-25 07:59:47 PM MfumuLoango The loango kingdom had 7 provinces mayombe being one of them. They spoke mostly kikongo
2016-04-25 08:00:21 PM TanyaRondon Ah, I've been multi-lingual since young so reading any romance language is not too difficult for me. Speaking is a different story.
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2016-04-25 08:03:30 PM EFStill This is a lovely recording.
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2016-04-25 08:03:45 PM RHM Dena @TanyaRondon - that is great!
2016-04-25 08:03:55 PM MfumuLoango Grand Mufti of satanism... that is an interesting name LOL
2016-04-25 08:06:02 PM TanyaRondon Thanks. Mom joined the Army to geet us out of Puerto Rico.
2016-04-25 08:06:24 PM TanyaRondon *get
2016-04-25 08:06:39 PM BonesShellsAndCurios (})
2016-04-25 08:06:45 PM shalomintlmin love you Brother
2016-04-25 08:06:53 PM MfumuLoango (})
2016-04-25 08:06:54 PM RHM Dena @TanyaRondon - I have been to Rosie Roads....Or that is what the slang name for the base - Roosevelt something, if I can remember
2016-04-25 08:06:57 PM Christine Pappas nope i am here in northern california, a couple hours from miss cat!
2016-04-25 08:06:58 PM csbknative73 Hey Candelo!!!
2016-04-25 08:07:19 PM TanyaRondon Yup. Roosevelt Roads :)
2016-04-25 08:07:25 PM TanyaRondon I
2016-04-25 08:07:25 PM catherine yronwode Hello to all!
2016-04-25 08:07:28 PM MichaelCorrell where in north cal?
2016-04-25 08:07:37 PM RHM Dena @TanyaRondell - it has been awhile lol
2016-04-25 08:07:39 PM TanyaRondon I'm from Aguadilla. Grew up in Aguada
2016-04-25 08:07:45 PM MichaelCorrell hi Cat
2016-04-25 08:08:07 PM MfumuLoango WOOW very cool. I was just in aguadilla couple days ago lol
2016-04-25 08:08:10 PM Christine Pappas oakland!
2016-04-25 08:08:11 PM RHM Dena Beautiful space @Tanya
2016-04-25 08:08:19 PM csbknative73 Lucky woman @ Tanya :)
2016-04-25 08:08:24 PM ArmandoRoman San Diego!
2016-04-25 08:08:30 PM MichaelCorrell not far from here
2016-04-25 08:08:30 PM TanyaRondon I miss it. I'm on the coast of Washington now.
2016-04-25 08:08:43 PM MfumuLoango Awesome sauce!!!
2016-04-25 08:08:49 PM shalomintlmin we are a little group here and we all love you in NC
2016-04-25 08:08:52 PM csbknative73 Brooklyn :)
2016-04-25 08:09:27 PM EFStill Best chatroom!
2016-04-25 08:09:47 PM Readings by Wen shalomin: where in NC?
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2016-04-25 08:10:51 PM catherine yronwode Come on out to the Hoodoo Heritage Festival... May 14-15, 2016. Lots of hands-on wrkshops, meet-and-greet with the professionals, "hoodoo after dark," new books, and big spreads of food.
2016-04-25 08:11:11 PM astridbanner enter the room
2016-04-25 08:11:23 PM catherine yronwode Check it out and buy tickets here: http://HoodooHeritageFestival.com
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2016-04-25 08:11:42 PM EFStill Okay, but if I dream we are drinking 40s, that's you? :)
2016-04-25 08:11:50 PM catherine yronwode Dreams can be misleading -- a spirit of the dead putting on the mask of a tata, ancestor, or famous dead celebrity!
2016-04-25 08:12:09 PM csbknative73 LMAOOO
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2016-04-25 08:12:28 PM catherine yronwode People tell me of their dreams of me often. I smile and say, "That's interesting."
2016-04-25 08:13:13 PM MichaelCorrell lol
2016-04-25 08:13:22 PM Readings by Wen lol @ ms. cat
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2016-04-25 08:14:56 PM EFStill I dreamed Candelo was explaining things to me. I am a very literal person.
2016-04-25 08:15:18 PM RHM Dena hahahahaha
2016-04-25 08:15:27 PM csbknative73 poor chicken
2016-04-25 08:15:40 PM RHM Dena that made my life
2016-04-25 08:15:42 PM RHM Dena night
2016-04-25 08:15:43 PM csbknative73 lol
2016-04-25 08:16:16 PM Readings by Wen Tata Candelo especializes in eyebrow waxing for newspaper articles... lol
2016-04-25 08:16:38 PM catherine yronwode Micahel, i see no point in challenging that tradition (that spirits don't cross water). I have heard the belief so often, i have accepted it, and will continue to blieve it, despite your disbelief. Too many people have told me that for me to foll
2016-04-25 08:17:06 PM catherine yronwode for me to follow your disbelief in it. ==shrug==
2016-04-25 08:18:06 PM MichaelCorrell i just dont think humans decide such things. gods dont recognize borders
2016-04-25 08:18:25 PM catherine yronwode I mean, if you think it is not true, what else about hoodoo do you think is not true?
2016-04-25 08:18:38 PM Readings by Wen I think maybe it has to do with water purifying... Or something. I have heard that too.
2016-04-25 08:18:56 PM MichaelCorrell that is oft said about the Irish deities yet heree they are
2016-04-25 08:19:11 PM catherine yronwode Ah, you are discussing "gods." I see, the belief i am referring to is Christian African American cultural belief that the dead do not cross water. Only one God, not multiples.
2016-04-25 08:19:55 PM MichaelCorrell i think i was talking about gods.Pots contain gods
2016-04-25 08:20:16 PM MichaelCorrell n Goddesses
2016-04-25 08:20:23 PM catherine yronwode The African American belief relates to the African belief that the dead live under the waters (or so i was told by Eoghan Ballard and Eddy Gutierrez).
2016-04-25 08:20:43 PM MichaelCorrell yes that is true
2016-04-25 08:20:59 PM catherine yronwode But i don't "know" that. I only do know that i was taught by my elders that the dead will not follow you home if you cross water.
2016-04-25 08:21:25 PM MichaelCorrell ive heard that too
2016-04-25 08:21:55 PM catherine yronwode I see ... Yes, My God can cross water too.
2016-04-25 08:22:15 PM Readings by Wen I know this is unrelated, but remember the headless hor*** tale? He could not cross water.
2016-04-25 08:22:23 PM Readings by Wen hor****
2016-04-25 08:22:28 PM Readings by Wen horse man*
2016-04-25 08:22:33 PM RHM Dena censorship lol
2016-04-25 08:22:44 PM Readings by Wen I know, right??? I'm trying to type horse man.
2016-04-25 08:22:46 PM Readings by Wen gee
2016-04-25 08:22:58 PM RHM Dena Crazy :)
2016-04-25 08:23:00 PM Candelos Corner Radio horse sh it lol
2016-04-25 08:23:14 PM Readings by Wen Right, Tata?
2016-04-25 08:23:20 PM Readings by Wen mierda!
2016-04-25 08:23:22 PM catherine yronwode BTR is crazy! But yes, that belief is there too -- and may be shared by some Europeans too. I think it is also found in Trolldom.
2016-04-25 08:23:40 PM Candelos Corner Radio no censoreship here
2016-04-25 08:24:00 PM Readings by Wen Now that I think about it, ms. cat... in the movie Lord of the Rings is there too
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2016-04-25 08:24:45 PM catherine yronwode Right!
2016-04-25 08:25:01 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Perhaps the restriction or boundary about water travel relates to spiritual realms.
2016-04-25 08:25:17 PM Readings by Wen makes sense, GM
2016-04-25 08:25:47 PM catherine yronwode The "telephone game" of transmission allows for mistakes while still preserving secrecy ... but books have a tendency to preserve knowledge while also removing initiatic mystery.
2016-04-25 08:26:17 PM MichaelCorrell both have their problems
2016-04-25 08:26:38 PM Readings by Wen WUT???
2016-04-25 08:26:45 PM csbknative73 yikes
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2016-04-25 08:28:00 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Perhaps that's why magic is associated with underdeveloped science (because there is experimentation encouraged).
2016-04-25 08:30:48 PM RHM Dena Munanso specific information too
2016-04-25 08:31:22 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll I was taught that some new religions also explain that they are ancient and had to be (re)created in moderned times.
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2016-04-25 08:32:36 PM csbknative73 I like this song too
2016-04-25 08:32:41 PM Ghia (F)
2016-04-25 08:32:49 PM MichaelCorrell in Witchcraft too many books have been another problem
2016-04-25 08:32:52 PM EFStill Love this song. Wow, I had it up loud--hope the neighbors like it, too.
2016-04-25 08:33:30 PM Readings by Wen What's the name of this song, Tata Candelo?
2016-04-25 08:33:38 PM MichaelCorrell many of these songs can be found on youtube. Search Palo Mayome songe
2016-04-25 08:33:44 PM RHM Dena @Grand Mufti of Satanism - Troll. I agree with that - also evolution of ways that may not have been intended in the ancient ways - yet due to modern influence....changed
2016-04-25 08:33:45 PM MichaelCorrell songs
2016-04-25 08:34:01 PM Readings by Wen I have heard it before. > Building up my playlist for my California trip :D
2016-04-25 08:34:02 PM MichaelCorrell a playlist will come up
2016-04-25 08:34:09 PM Readings by Wen Gracias, Michael
2016-04-25 08:34:48 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll What was the problem with books? I thought that was the origin of modern Witchcraft as religion (Gardner reflecting on grimoires and Crowley).
2016-04-25 08:35:33 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Are you talking about Cunningham's Revolution?
2016-04-25 08:35:59 PM MichaelCorrell Yes it was but too many books by the uneducated lost much.
2016-04-25 08:36:16 PM MichaelCorrell cunningham is another issue
2016-04-25 08:36:21 PM MartaCorrellLAc i think he means that too many books means conflicting info and waters the religion down
2016-04-25 08:36:58 PM MichaelCorrell My Witch carreer has been filling in holes.
2016-04-25 08:37:04 PM TanyaRondon "The greatest spell ever cast doesn't come from a book, but from the heart."
2016-04-25 08:37:15 PM MichaelCorrell stop thinking dirty
2016-04-25 08:37:33 PM Candelos Corner Radio should i sing ?
2016-04-25 08:37:53 PM MichaelCorrell yes sing
2016-04-25 08:38:11 PM Readings by Wen I agree, Martha
2016-04-25 08:38:15 PM Readings by Wen & Michael
2016-04-25 08:38:21 PM EFStill Candelo, do you know all the songs?
2016-04-25 08:38:45 PM Readings by Wen They're religious songs. I'm sure he knows them all
2016-04-25 08:38:59 PM RHM Dena (F)
2016-04-25 08:39:08 PM EFStill Yes, I am curious at which point one learns them all. There are many.
2016-04-25 08:39:17 PM csbknative73 the drums are awesome
2016-04-25 08:39:28 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Does religion depend upon a hierarchy and controlled information?
2016-04-25 08:39:44 PM MichaelCorrell still waiting for my Tata to teach us the songs. will know them by then..
2016-04-25 08:39:50 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Material control (the subject of this show) could be a facet of this.
2016-04-25 08:40:08 PM EFStill They sell the song books, which start with 50 songs.
2016-04-25 08:40:21 PM MichaelCorrell really!?
2016-04-25 08:40:29 PM EFStill But they are really parts of songs.
2016-04-25 08:40:34 PM MartaCorrellLAc song bookls? where?
2016-04-25 08:40:43 PM TanyaRondon Well, I'm off to make arroz con pollo for the hubby and son. Bendiciones everyone. Until next week.
2016-04-25 08:41:02 PM MfumuLoango So much emphasis on buying ngangas when the power doesn't lie there, but rather in the back with the ancestors. The material is just a medium but not the source
2016-04-25 08:41:12 PM csbknative73 sounds yummy gn Tanya
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2016-04-25 08:43:05 PM MartaCorrellLAc the nganga needs nfumbe, which is pacted to its owner, which is why you cont want a used one
2016-04-25 08:43:20 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Sound counter-chaos. I.e. more decentralized data means more diversity.
2016-04-25 08:43:32 PM MartaCorrellLAc *pacted to the nganga's owner
2016-04-25 08:44:49 PM EFStill Songbook: http://www.folkcuba.com/stores/st_detpage1n.asp?id=3343
2016-04-25 08:44:50 PM Readings by Wen LOL!!! I've heard of a Mail Bride...
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2016-04-25 08:46:55 PM RHM Dena Oh man
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2016-04-25 08:48:39 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Is this all social though? When smeone says "homosexual priesthood is wrong" is this as relative and socially-mediated as "no selling religious goods"?
2016-04-25 08:49:22 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll If an orisha or a loa says "go ahead and sell it online" is that just as legit?
2016-04-25 08:49:42 PM catherine yronwode Good questions -- but who do you believe?
2016-04-25 08:51:08 PM MartaCorrellLAc i wouldn't buy a used pot that was made for someone else
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2016-04-25 08:51:33 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Were you wrong when you were gainst what they were doing? Or did something change?
2016-04-25 08:52:21 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Secrets and their identification is the issue in part.
2016-04-25 08:52:29 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll I've seen that amongst esotericists too.
2016-04-25 08:52:43 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Different lines drawn as to what is "forbidden to discuss openly".
2016-04-25 08:53:07 PM EFStill I think the question of secrecy is really interesting.
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2016-04-25 08:55:43 PM MfumuLoango https://www.facebook.com/Mfumuloango
2016-04-25 08:56:06 PM MfumuLoango If you would like to connect you can find me here : -----> https://www.facebook.com/Mfumuloango
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2016-04-25 08:56:30 PM EFStill Thanks for a good show! I hope everyone has a great and prosperous week!
2016-04-25 08:56:43 PM MfumuLoango WIshing everyone a wonderful week.
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2016-04-25 08:56:46 PM csbknative73 tx great show
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2016-04-25 08:57:05 PM catherine yronwode Thanks for a very informativee show!
2016-04-25 08:57:23 PM Readings by Wen Amazing show. As usual!
2016-04-25 08:57:32 PM Readings by Wen Gracias. Buenas noches!
2016-04-25 08:57:42 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll "May all the eguns and shadows that accompany you have all the necessary light!"
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2016-04-25 08:59:04 PM MfumuLoango May you go with a lot of peace, but especially with a lot, alot. ALOT of love. (Walter Mercado) ...LOL
2016-04-25 08:59:06 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll What kind of salad made you sick, Candelo?!!!
2016-04-25 08:59:19 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Thank you so much for coming on the Corner!!
2016-04-25 08:59:25 PM Candelos Corner Radio conch
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2016-04-25 08:59:58 PM MfumuLoango ajjaaa I thought it was an other C word LOL
2016-04-25 09:00:02 PM Candelos Corner Radio not *** lol
2016-04-25 09:00:29 PM Ghia (}) hopwe you get better soon. salt and potatoes may take the problem away
2016-04-25 09:00:31 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll i never knew that conches were edible.
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2016-04-25 09:00:44 PM MfumuLoango ^^^ thought the same thing here...
2016-04-25 09:00:46 PM Grand Mufti of Satanism- Troll Capturing chat....
2016-04-25 09:00:50 PM Ghia they make conch fritters down here
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