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Re: Petition Papers and Name Papers Questions and Answers

Unread post by alchemyofmagick1206 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:10 am

Greetings,
I have a quick question around petition writing. I wrote a petition, and what I asked for, I realize does not exist. Basically, it's a car, but the year is not available. This specific car was discontinued in 2011, but I still want one. I petitioned for a 2012. Any tips on what I should do to correct this issue without necessarily disturbing my candle?

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:09 pm

alchemyofmagick1206 --

Remake your petition. You know, it's like ordering a grilled cheese sandwich at a restaurant and they say they're out of cheese. Ya gotta order something else. That's life -- both in a restaurant and in magic!

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Unread post by alchemyofmagick1206 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:12 am

Perfect. Thank you Catherine! This is something I already knew, but it's always nice to have folks who can help as well, for confirmation. I appreciate your answer!

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Unread post by airofwealth » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:49 am

Miss Aida .. or anyone ... Hello .. How are you all? Please I am not sure because I don't know but if you doing a court name paper for someone and not yourself how would you do it and which way would you fold it/ Thanks . For example the other ppl are going straight across and the person to win goes the long way across the other? Than fold toward you 3x? Thanks
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Unread post by Sister Jean » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:33 am

Hello airofwealth,

If you visit the following page you'll find a few ideas for petition papers for court case work:

http://www.luckymojo.com/courtcase.html

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Unread post by airofwealth » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:24 pm

Hello.. thanks so much .. Yes .. I know about that page .. I only want to know how you fold the paper .. Toward or away .. Once in half or in 3's . Thanks

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Unread post by airofwealth » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:51 am

Hello everyone ... I been asking a question for days .. I am aware of the site information but that's not what I am looking for. I am looking for how one fold the name paper after placing name especially when it for someone else.

You should write names of the one you want to be on that person side across and their name going down over those names correct but how you fold the paper .. Toward or away .. Once in half or in 3's . Thanks

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Unread post by Miss Aida » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:33 pm

Hello, airofwealth ,

You need to read the thread.

For winning (you or anybody that you're doing the spell for), you fold it toward you, turn it to the right and fold it toward you again

For losing, fold it away from you, turn it to the left and fold it away from you

How to write the petition paper? Please read the posts on this thread.

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:31 pm

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Unread post by apngaa » Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:52 pm

Can you put multiple petitions under a single candle?

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:24 pm

apngaa --

Yes, you can.
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Unread post by apngaa » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:04 pm

What do you do with a petition after you've burned a candle on top of it?

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Unread post by Shutter » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:09 pm

apngaa - burn it or keep it. Check the forum either in the search bar or read through the comments, and read the free information on the main site if you'd like answers to questions before asking. There's more than a Bible's worth of information on the site/forums. This is mentioned many times in different places. Good luck,

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Unread post by Sister Jean » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:44 am

Hello apngaa,

Shutter gave you a great answer to your question. I'd just like to add that since petition papers are considered spell remnants, they are typically deployed along with the rest of the remnants of the spell. The way that is done depends on the type of spell. To learn more, read this page:

http://www.luckymojo.com/layingtricks.html

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Unread post by Moonlightdream » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:39 am

I want to do a work permit petition for someone I know...The Migration Agency crossed over with the person's name, then a ring around it with "favorhergrantworkpermit". Can I write the casenr "Case xxxxx" outside the ring and below on the right of the petition paper? If NOT, where can I write the case number? Thanks!

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:57 am

Moonlightdream --

There's no reason not to write the case number on the petition.

Did someone tell you it would be wrong?
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Unread post by hearthfire » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:45 pm

I'm not sure where to post this exactly so I apologize if this isn't the right place. I decided to do a break up candle spell and I've hit a snag in writing the petition. I have the full names of both of the targets but only have the date of birth for one. Is there another way to work around this or would only having one still work?

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:04 pm

hearthfire --

Write whatever information you have. This question and many others are replied to and explained in full detail in this book i wrote:

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Unread post by hearthfire » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:52 pm

Catherine,

thank you! I really appreciate the response. Would the information have to be consistent for both parties? (i.e. DOB to DOB or DOB to current city)

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Unread post by Moonlightdream » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:09 am

Thanks Cat, I can go ahead with the petition today.

1) I don't know, I've always felt that any messages should be in the "circle", but to come and think of it, symbols and sigills are often written in all corners outside so silly me hehe

2) For health petitions for someone else, can I write his/her name and cross it with a command like "Be healthy stay healthy!" Or should I also include a circle with getwellbehealthystayhealthy ? Thanks for suggestions!

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:29 am

Dear heathfire --

Symmetry between the two petitions does bring a certain sense of fulfillment and "rightness" to some practitioners -- but others work by approximation and do not value symmetry too highly. I recommended my book above because it covers this issue in detail. Consider this a second recommendation for the book. :-)
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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:35 am

Dear Moonlightdream --

1) While your feelings are, of course, important to you, it is also wise to know that there are hundreds of ways to write petitions, not just in a circle, and you will learn a lot more about folk magic in general and hoodoo in particular if you take time to learn about the widest range of traditional methods.

2) I would not cross and cover a name on a petition for health for the simple reason that you cannot legitimately command someone to be healthy. Rather, i would create a spiral leading to an outcome (removal of disease) or perhaps an enframing square of support (the names of doctors, nurses, or angelic beings) or, my personal default method, create a paper talisman of two Solomonic sigils for health, each inscribed on the back, and the two glued back-to-back with the client's hair between and placed under the candle. It the work is to be ongoing, i would laminate the paper disk for permanence.

For you too, i recommend the book i have written on this subject. It will answer your questions in detail and will open your eyes to the truly amazing number of possibilities found in conjure and in world-wide folk magic.

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Unread post by Moonlightdream » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:45 am

I have that book too Cat! Hehe I just looked through the book but I couldn't find the spiral method you mentioned. Are there any links for more specific details or pictures about the spiral to remove illness or enframing square for blessing and health purposes? Although being a member for a long time and frequently reading the forum, this is actually the first time I've read about the spiral method. It's so interesting to always get learn something new!

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Hi, Moonlightdream --

The spiral method of making petitions is described and shown on pages 12 and 13 of "Paper in My Shoe." You may have overlooked it because the method originated in ancient times as inscriptions made in shallow clay bowls, and perhaps you thought it had nothing to do with modern magic, but it is still used, and works very well, on other surfaces, such as paper or china ware plates.

The enframing or four-wall method is found on page 67.

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Unread post by alexinmadison » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:56 am

I’ve tried searching the forum for an answer to this but have had no luck. Apologies if it’s been asked and answered.

I’m about to start a hex and I’m unsure of whether it’s appropriate to have both a petition paper and a photo/name paper at the same time. Is there such a thing as a petition paper written on the back of a photo - creating a combo paper? If I create and use each separately, would it makes sense to fold the photo/name paper into the petition paper, treating it as a personal concern?

Thoughts and advice would be very appreciated. Best to all.

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Unread post by JayDee » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:00 am

alexinmadison,

You can write a petition on the back of a photo that is common. Photos are a personal concern but try and get hair, fluid, blood etx

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alexinmadison,

I agree with j82!
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Unread post by SagittariusLover128 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:26 pm

I’ve read several posts on this thread and I think I’m overthinking my question—

1) when it comes to name papers and petition papers in honey jars, is there one that’s more necessary than the other? For example— since it’s a honey jar for love does it have to my ex’s name crossed with my name and “return to me love me” circling our names OR could I write something like “If God wills it John Doe will return to me, love me, and be faithful to me” and just fold it and stick it in the jar?

2) Would Block Buster be okay to use on/in a love honey jar if the target is a little stubborn?

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:37 pm

inquiringminds128

1) Neither is more important than the other, and the two concepts may be combined if you wish.

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2) No. Blowing something up is in no way sweet. If you want to blow up blockages, do not use a honey or sugar jar.

Please read this page on sugar and honey spells:

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Unread post by SagittariusLover128 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:42 pm

I’ll purchase both of those books because I eventually want to do work for friends, family, and etc., so I actually enjoy learning new things about hoodoo 🙂

Combing the idea if the name paper and petition is something I’m most definitely interested in— but how do I go about doing such?

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Unread post by JayDee » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:26 am

inquiringminds128,

I am not sure what your question about petition papers is.. Cat was saying you can write the petition either way If God will or go with a simple statement of come to me and love me, crossing the names in the middle. I go with a simple statement. then you fold it towards you turn it to the right fold again and turn to the right once more.. Going to the right is to draw things to you and folding towards you is to bring things to you as well.

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Unread post by SagittariusLover128 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:45 am

Thanks for that information Cat and J82!

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Unread post by Rosewood » Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:45 am

Just a quick question. If I can get the target to write his name 3,7 or 9 times on what will be the petition paper (without his knowledge of what it will be used for, of course), will that be good or will it interfere with the spell work if I don't write his name myself? Thank you?

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Unread post by JayDee » Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:59 am

Rosewood,

Would not effect the work, it would be a form of personal concern, but if you can get him that close and ask him to do that with no issue, then also steal some hair while you are at it, use the hair in the work.

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Unread post by Rosewood » Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:56 pm

Thanks J82.

I believe that personal concerns are much more effective when given freely by the target.

I have a lot of his blood on tissues that he handed to me. Also he has come back before from the barber and handed me a very generous amount of hair. Also have 3 sets of toe nail clippings. I even have a tiny amount of bone fragment! I've managed to get facial stubble, nose hairs, hair from his back/shoulder, nice amount of pubic hair, and also pure urine. I collect as I can.

I always try to get him to not only hand these to me, but actually verbalise his consent by asking him "can I take this?". Obviously he assumes I am going to throw it away, but bottom line is that he hands it to me and that's consent surely.

I am in the process of preparing to do what I call maintenance work to reinforce my very hard work from 2 years ago which saw him returning to me after a 3 month split (this after he swore up and down that he was done with the relationship and wanted no more contact) . Once he returned he finally committed himself to the relationship even though we had been together 3 years by then. Now he clings to me and wants to get married - this from a commitment phobic man.

I also need to patch up what I see as some holes in previous work.

Thanks again.

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Unread post by JayDee » Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:30 pm

Rosewood,

That is a fine belief but it is not a Hoodoo belief. The personal concern is powerful because it is a piece of the person (think contagious magic, they once touched or were a part of it ( hair) ).

Many people take them without notice, because if a person gives it freely then they may know you are doing magic, and no one gives personal concerns freely if you are cursing them.

Then you have sympathetic magic which is like effects like.

Again it's fine if this is your personal structure of magic, its just that it is not hoodoo, in which the power of the concern is effective regardless of its collection system.

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Unread post by Rosewood » Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:33 am

J82. He has no idea I practice magick. No one does. I have kept this a closely guarded secret for very many years. I don't want to give anyone the chance to counter my work.

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:49 pm

Hi, Rosewood,

I think j82 was pointing out an important concept. Your preference that personal concerns be "freely given" has nothing to do with your idea of keeping your work secret. Most practitioners do keep their work secret from those upon whom they are working, and this is the reason that in hooodoo there is no tradition of personal bodily items being "freely given." I mean, how many people will think to freely give you their toenails?

It is often said that coins used in money spells on a mate (to make the mate more financially generous) are more effective if the coins were freely given -- but this does not apply to personal concerns like handwriting, fingernails, sexual fluids, or hairs. Those are usually sneaked.
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Unread post by SagittariusLover128 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:56 am

Something as simple as "John Doe will return to me, love me, and desire me" finishing up with amen should suffice right? I don't like lengthy petitions, but I want my point to get across lol
Thank you St. Jude! Your help was much appreciated!

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Unread post by Sister Jean » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:24 am

Hello SagittariusLover128,

I think that petition is perfect if you are the type that wants to keep it simple and to the point!

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:27 am

SagittariusLover128 --

Petition styles vary a lot. What sounds right to you may not sound right to another. I am going to give you six ways that your petition might be written, falling into three stylistc groups:

PETITION A HIGHER SOURCE FOR AID
1) "Dear Lord, grant that John Doe will desire me, return to me, and love me. In Jesus' name, Amen."
2) "Grandmother [Name] and Grandfather [Name], as you loved one another in life and were married 70 years and are buried side-by-side, please help John Doe to return to me, love me, marry me, and spend his life with me."

STATE A COMMAND TO THE UNIVERSE
1) "John Doe will desire me, return to me, and love me. Amen."
2) "John Doe will forget all past troubles and will speedily return to me and love me as he did before."

ADDRESS THE SUBJECT DIRECTLY
1) "John Doe, my love, return to me, love me, and desire me!"
2) "John Doe, my darling, forgive our squabbles, forget all other women, and return to me with love and deep desire."

Which style you choose may vary as your moods and circumstances vary.
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Unread post by SagittariusLover128 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:29 am

Thank you Sister Jean and Mrs. Cat! I'm going to add that info to my little Lucky Mojo binder that I'm in the midst of creating-- you can never learn too much. I can't wait for this hurricane news to past so I can order some more books-- no need to order now knowing this storm is coming and its going to slow couriers down lol

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:33 pm

SagittariusLover128 --

I wish you well as Hurricane Florence blows through your region. You can read more about petitions in my book "Paper In My Shoe." If you enjoy the books i have written and those i publish, you may also want to take the private course i teach in old-style, traditional rootwork. Details about the course are here:

http://luckymojo.com/mojocourse.html
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Unread post by SagittariusLover128 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:48 am

Thank you Mrs. Cat and I’ll definitely read up on the course 😊

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