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Proper citation of an author's writing

Unread post by myk5_2 » Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:49 am

When I post information about Hoodoo on my own website, I always use your writing as my primary source of information. I always give you credit and link back to this site or to my yahoo store where I can get affiliate credit if they buy your Hoodoo book there.

But I'm left feeling if you don't accuse me of plagiarism, you'll accuse me of wasting your time with self promotion.

Here's a link to my most recent appropriation of information about Hoodoo wherein I used your writing as source material: [link deleted]

And yes, Chaos magic is not Hoodoo, but Chaos Magic is a meta-paradigm and so can co-exist with Hoodoo in a personal practice that makes no claim to being strictly traditional.

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Re: Proper citation of an author's writing

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:20 pm

myk5, you give a blanket, "this was written by cat" header, and then you just copy at will.

Your comments are in between, which is great.

Now you need to learn about quote marks. When you quote my words, put my words in quote marks. This is the decent, sane, proper way to quote someone.

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Example 1 -- WRONG:

myk5 is where i got the idea that there is some debate whether the plant carries its own power or the power unlocked is your own and based in belief. Certainly if you want to go the belief route, sigil magic may suit you better. But there is also more than one way to imagine the herb or root being powerful as well, and the history of its magical use is in the collective unconscious, so in my work i use plants according to my own ecelectic intuitions

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Did you notice how much of that was your writing and how much was mine?

How would you feel if i took ALL of your pages and posted them at my site like that, and then compiled them into a book and put my name on the title page?

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Example #2 -- RIGHT:

To the chaos magician myk5, "the history of [a plant's] magical use is in the collective unconscious," which means that for him or her the oral and written traditions of a culture's inherited folklore might not be as important a source of learning as the practitioner's own self-perceived ability to tap into the collective wisdom of the culture through spiritual means such as meditation, introspection, or intuition.

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Do you see how i quoted you -- WITH QUOTATION MARKS -- and used your text as a building block to express my own ideas?

There is a difference. You have a long way to go before you become a writer rather than an assembler of scraps.

Start with quotation marks. Seriously. The use of quotation marks will satisfy legal requirements and mollify the authors from whom you borrow -- but more importantly, for your own growth, the use of quotation marks will force you to find your own voice, to develop as an adept and a mage, and to take wing as an individual rather than crawl in the mud as a mere copyist.
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Re: Proper citation of an author's writing

Unread post by myk5_2 » Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:17 pm

Thank you for your indulgence and your tolerance, I'll edit the post soon. It's perhaps a more sophisticated edit than correctly using punctuation, you have the right to expect the words i attribute to you in quotes to be exactly and completely your own.

Thank you for the editing tips. I'll do better from now on.

The example you use leads me to infer that you're very offended, and for that I apologize.

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Re: Proper citation of an author's writing

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:10 pm

myk5, no, i am not offended. I am blunt, probably too blunt for many people.

I am a 63 year old writer and editor with 43 years professional experience in the publishing field, so i was speaking directly and with conviction about the craft i have worked at daily to earn my living since 1967, telling what i know to one who may profit by my words.

You actually are a good writer, and if i didn't think so, i wouldn't have wasted my time telling you that stuff.
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Re: Proper citation of an author's writing

Unread post by JayDee » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:36 am

Here is a web link sellinga devil shoe string oil and describes the oil, its use and how to prepare it to gamble virtually word for word by Miss Cat in hoodoo in theory and practice. No citation exist giving Miss Cat or Lucky Mojo proper credit for the work.

Website link: https://conjuredcardea.indiemade.com/pr ... clear-evil

Lucky Mojos link: http://www.luckymojo.com/devilsshoestring.html

Looked through a few other similar products I could find that Lucky Mojo sells I found St Expedite which is the same a copy of Lucky mojo

Website link: https://conjuredcardea.indiemade.com/pr ... craft-sant

Lucky Mojo link: http://www.luckymojo.com/saintexpedite.html
Formerly known as J82; New updated name!

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Re: Proper citation of an author's writing

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:24 pm

OH SHIT -- it is Conjured Cardea again! That fucking BITCH!

Her name is Sarah Best. She is a former customer of my shop!

Sarah Best
1467 Prospect Place
Kalamazoo, MI 49006 USA
269-599-9281
ladysayje@yahoo.com

She has done this MULTIPLE times to MULTIPLE people.

Thank you so much for alerting me.

I will ask siva to go after her like a raving Pit Bull later tonight. She is a fucking ASSHOLE and deserves HARD JAIL TIME!
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