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Re: Theories About How and Why Magic or Psychism Works or Fails

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:13 pm

inajam,

I suspect that the person you call a "caster" is a scam. Real magicians, sorcerers, root doctors, conjures, rootworkers, witch doctors, hoodoo ladies, spiritual workers, and others who do altar work or spell-casting for clients do not call themselves "casters." That's a childish name, taken on by people afraid to say what they really are. I am sorry you lost money, but that is sometimes the price we pay for trusting the wrong people.

By the way, there is no one "from here" to cast spells for you. Many professional rootworkers do inhabit this Lucky Mojo shop forum, but you must hire them on their own, either via their own web sites or at one of the large directory sites, such as the Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers (AIRR(, at
http://readersandrootworkers.com

Okay, so on to your questions, and i hope my replies are meaningful, always remembering that they are one folk magcician's opinion.

1) I don't believe in all this "meant to be" versus "not meant to be" stuff at all, and i never have. I believe we have the power to effect change, but just like a man trying to lift a ton of iron, some loads are too big to lift, and some energies are too heavy to shift. Also, if not to heavy, the condition may be of too long standing, and like stage 4 cancer, which is beyond the doctor's ability to cure, some situations are too far gone to retrieve. Then there is the question of opposition. You may be able to run a mile, but if someone pushes against you and trips you up, you may not be able to run at all -- and there are many people who fight on the spiritual plane, or via rootwork, to preserve their way of life, or to hold on to what they've got, and you may not be able to overthrow them, even with a spell. Finally, God has the final word, and if two people pray for opposite outcomes, God will favour one and not the other. None of these explanations have to do with "fate" in any way!

2) There are many forms of magic. Folk magic, no matter of what culture, always makes use of real objects, often called curios. We here are studying and using folk magic, specifically African American hoodoo. In our tradition, certain herbs, roots, minerals -- and products made from or with them -- act as allies or spiritual helpers. In addition, certain colours, scents, and times of the clock or of the calendar may add power to our work, and of course we also use prayers, both scritural and from the heart, to lend power and focus to our work.

3) If i were you, i would do a divination on that question. Some spells are not worth attempting (think: too heavy, too far gone) and ought not be attempted. Having two different spells fail to win your objective may be enough for you. I usually try three times, unless i draw the 4 of Cups (in the tarot) or 4 of Hearts (in playing cards) -- in which case i will try four times. I also set myself a firm time limit and do not endlessly repeat a spell or endlessly attempt many spells to achieve an elusive outcome.

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Re: Theories About How and Why Magic or Psychism Works or Fails

Unread post by inajam » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:50 pm

Thank you for these responses. A couple questions:

1) If me doing the work resulted in no movement, thus the answer is “move on”? I used a reconciliation honey jar. Have areconciliation spell kit, but wondering if I should scrap this. And/or try a different one, etc. Or do the reading first, then proceed.

2) What did JayDee mean by “crossed conditions”? Is that obstacles in the way of the goal that are just plain insurmountable?

Sometimes I wonder if the best spell for me is to be less hopeful and optimistic. It’s so hard for me to give up on goals...

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Re: Theories About How and Why Magic or Psychism Works or Fails

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:09 pm

inajam --

1) I think you need some coaching. Setting a time limit and determining how many spells you will do during that time-frame is a BASIC of all folk magic spell casting and is especially well understood in hoodoo. If you need a coach or a reading, you can hire one through AIRR, the Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers, here:

Category:Magical Coaching and Spiritual Advice
http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/wi ... ual_Advice

2) Guessing at what the terms of a folk magic system mean, as you did, is not useful. Every system has its own terms of art -- makt and tydor are terms from trolldom, ayin hara comes from Jewish folk magic, susto comes from curandismo, and crossed conditions is a term found in hoodoo. Read more about it here, in my free online book "Hoodoo in Theory and Practice":

CROSSING and CROSSED CONDITIONS
http://www.luckymojo.com/crossing.html

Good luck in your studies and best of luck in your reconciliation work. Be of good hope, work within your time frame, and may your wishes come true.
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Re: Theories About How and Why Magic or Psychism Works or Fails

Unread post by Beachykeen » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:28 pm

1) How does one know for sure if it was the hoodoo that brought the results?

Lovers do come back, people do win money, annoying neighbors do move away....

2) How do you actually know if it was the spell or just a coincidence?

I’d like to believe all my hoodoo in the past was what brought the results, but sometimes I wonder.

I haven’t even started my love spells on my current target, and I’ve already seen tons of signs. This is what is encouraging me to start the spellwork to get things moving.

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Re: Theories About How and Why Magic or Psychism Works or Fails

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:49 pm

1) Well, how do you know for sure it was God who answered your prayers?

2) A spell expresses a desire, as does a prayer. Meaningful coincidences can be a way for prayers and spells to take shape. Give yourself a ten year break from all prayers and magical spells and watch to see if the "coincidences" hold up or if they fade away. Then use spells and prayers again for the next ten years. Which decade was happier for you? Try it -- and you will have settled your doubts.
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Re: General Love Spells Questions and Answers

Unread post by arepperson89 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:08 am

I apologise if this isn't the best place for this topic, or if has been asked and answered already. I chose this topic because it is where I am having issues with, myself.

What is your opinion on when a spell / ritual / work does not, well, work? Was the intent misplaced, not clear enough, or not strong enough? Were the wrong materials used? Or was it simply not meant to be?

This is mainly a general question on opinions, for my souring and honey jars haven't been going long enough for a good example, but I would love to hear from others.
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Re: General Love Spells Questions and Answers

Unread post by JayDee » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:47 am

arepperson89,

Your question can have many answers and many reasons, one or two is not easy. But I can give some reasons why they did not, or do not work as well as some links that may assist you with further learning about the topic.

Your intent or petition may not be clear enough which is why the work is not done. Maybe asking for it in such a specific way that it made it hard for the work to manifest. Many people get stuck on "how it will happen", not allowing it (Magic) to take the path of least resistance and just manifest. Focus, prayer, intent, your own magical ability all play in how a spell will work. The authentic materials used and using authentic spells. Many people come to Lucky Mojo with a spell they found on the internet that claims to be hoodoo and often time the spell uses ingredients wrong, and is mixing other methods with the hoodoo spells. There can be more going on in the situation (assuming you are asking for a specific lover), such as another lover in their life, work needs to be done to address both issues. God said no, because ultimately he is the decider. It is also good idea to get a reading to see what work should be done. A reading is like seeing a doctor at an office, he reads whats wrong, gives you a list of things to do to get better. Same in hoodoo the root worker will read the situation and determine what to do to fix it.

Here are some helpful links on your topic:
Is magic real: http://www.luckymojo.com/spells/real.html
Too many at once: too-many-spells-at-once-overload-interv ... t6140.html
Signs movement and completion: signs-movement-completion-of-spells-que ... t6436.html
Theory on why some work/fail: theories-about-how-why-magic-psychism-w ... t6722.html

Some products to consider working with to increase your ability as you learn:
Power: http://www.luckymojo.com/power.html
Master key: http://www.luckymojo.com/masterkey.html
Spirt guide: http://www.luckymojo.com/spiritguide.html
Indian spirit guide: http://www.luckymojo.com/indianspiritguide.html
Psychic vision: http://www.luckymojo.com/psychicvision.html
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Re: General Love Spells Questions and Answers

Unread post by arepperson89 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:05 pm

JayDee,

Thank you! You provided some wonderful information and links!

The two jars that I am working on have not been going long enough for me to decide that they have or haven't worked yet. More or less, I was curious about what people thought about when their work (or even someone else's) fails.

I will read up on those links, one I'm back home.

Thanks again!

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Re: General Love Spells Questions and Answers

Unread post by JayDee » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:28 pm

arepperson89 ,

I understand your question, I tried to answer that, some reasons I feel peoples work fail is because they did not use the proper items, used a bad or poorly planned spell, not patient enough, expect it to be instant like a movie, God says no, they may have not focused, prayed, put their effort into it.

I have found over the years that divination is key to telling me if something will work. I have done work with signs in the cards that were not good, I took the chance anyway, did the work and didnt get results or had mixed results. Other times when the cards were positive the work happened.

Same with signs, if I am seeing them and seeing movement I often see the outcome, but if I do not get signs or movement then it generally does not happen. Why again? well many reasons I mostly chop it up to God said no. I also can eliminate external reasons such that I use only high quality items, I use only lucky mojo oil and products, I use authentic spells and have been trained in the work.

Another reason I see failure in work by people is effort. Many people do one spell expect it to happen and stop working. It is called "root work", meaning to work the root, it takes time and energy. People get busy, some get lazy, some change their mind, and they simply do not put the longterm effort needed into the work.

Your items are new which to me would mean to not worry if they will work or not, but believe that they will, the Bible is clear on the importance of believing, he even says you do not have because you do not ask, and oh yee of little faith. Work the jars regularly, dont worry about how long you work it, focus on working the jar, praying, stating the petition, reading scripture relating to it and then at the end accepting the work is done.

Work can also take variable times. I've seen work happen instantly, I've seen work take months. I hope this helps!
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Re: Theories About How and Why Magic or Psychism Works or Fails

Unread post by Miss Athena » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:34 pm

Hi arepperson89,

I have moved this entire conversation to the correct thread on this subject, where you will find your questions asked and answered numerous times. Please do a search of the forum to find the right location for your questions, to avoid making more work for the moderators.

Here you will find seven pages of information on this topic so please read through the posts here. If you still have questions after reading, feel free to ask them in this thread.

I hope this helps. Good luck.
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