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Re: Petition Papers and Name Papers Questions and Answers

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:19 pm

Poppy --

1) Yes, this an old spell. As described, it is authentic, but there are many variations. See (3) below.

2) Digital prints are fine; in the real old days, they used metal tintypes!

3) Adding a petition is a different way to work a spell. The spell you mentioned is complete. It is old and authentic, as told., without a petition. When t comes to adding a petition, or any words, there are variations.

* You can write the names and birth dates on the centers of the backs of the photos if you wish. (This is what i do.)
* You can wrap a petition paper around the photos.
* You can write petitions around the edges of the fronts of photos, and not use a third piece of paper. (This is what i do.)
* You can wrap the photos in a flat sheet of aluminum foil with the petition written into the foil with a dull pencil.

All of these ways are authentic, but some are more artistic and focussed than others. I, for one, do not add a third paper or a wrapper of aluminum foil to this spell. But i know those who do.

Also, you did not mention a couple of other well-known variations of the spell.

* Some will not put the pictures "in the bottom of the underwear drawer," as you described, but instead will carefully place them inside a pair of underpants in the drawer. This is my way, if i do not have the time to do the next way, which is my actual favourite method.
* Some folks, myself included, will use very small pictures and carefully cut into the double thickness of cloth in the crotch of their underpants, insert the photos there, sew the slit up, and wear the photos in their pants. The pants can be laundered and the photos will "wash into" them.

Please do not ask which of these variations is "better" or "stronger" or "more correct," because folk magic is an art, not a science.

4) You could add herbs, but this is not generally done unless the photos will be wrapped, as described in some of the variations at (3) above. Loose herbs are a mess.

5) See (3) and (4) above.

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Re: Petition Papers and Name Papers Questions and Answers

Unread post by Poppy » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:57 pm

Thank you for such a comprehensive reply! I don't want the mess of herbs so I won't add those, but should I use any oils? Thank you so much :-)

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Re: Petition Papers and Name Papers Questions and Answers

Unread post by Terra Rising » Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:45 pm

Poppy,

You could dab oils on a picture depending on the purpose or you could leave the oils out. I believe it is a matter of preference and how you want to work. If it is a printed picture on regular paper, I tend to leave the oils out to keep from messing the photo. If it is on photo paper, I use a small amount of oil.
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Petition paper question for court case Honey jar

Unread post by zuzu » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:15 am

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I am doing a Honey jar to sway the judge in a court case in my favor, however I only have this person's middle initial. When writing a petition paper I have read that the middle name should be includ

1) How do I proceed? is there a general rule for petition papers and if so what is it?

2) Do I only do the first and last names of both of us?

3) Or do I use the first and last names + middle initials of both of us?

4) Or do I put down the information I know which in this case would be the first and last name plus middle initial for the judge, and my first, middle, and last name?

Thank you for any clarification that can be offered.

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:33 am

Dear zuzu -- welcome to the Lucky Mojo Forum!

1) There are a number of traditional ways to write out name papers and petition papers, however, since hodoo is a form of community-based folk-magic, there is no hierarchy to administer "rules and regulations. This does not mean that "anything goes" -- it just means that as in any folkloric practice, from cookery to song, there is more than one way to work -- more than one way to make chocolate chip cookies, more than one way to sing "Nearer My God To Thee." S

2) I think you are asking if symmetry of identification is essential -- and the answer is no, it is not.

3) You may, if that is all you have -- but it is not, because you know your own middle name.

4) This is the best way, in my opinion, write dwn whatever you DO know. For instance, when dealing with a judge, i will always add the name of the court (e.g. Ten Mile District Municipal Court, United States Supreme Court, or whatever it is).

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Re: Petition Papers and Name Papers Questions and Answers

Unread post by sashank16 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:14 pm

Hello,

I've read so many pages from here and feel a little bit more confused than when I started reading and would love some clarification!

Im working on a vinegar jar and am so confused about the petition paper. I have read things about simply writing the individuals name rotating the paper and stating what you want by crossing the name...however my petition is quite long.

1) Can i make a separate petition paper with my longer petition, and on the back of his photo right his name/dob then cross it with the smaller intent?

2) Could i write on the back of his photo his name crossed by the intent and on the front of the photo write my bigger petition?

I am confused whether or not I need a separate piece of paper for everything (1 photo, 1 name paper, 1 petition) or if i can incorporate some of them together?

Thank you and apologies if this should be in the vinegar jar post!

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Re: Petition Papers and Name Papers Questions and Answers

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:39 pm

sashank16 -- welcome to the Forum; i hope you are finding the help you request here.

In looking over your post, i think you may be making a combination of a name paper and a petition paper and a spoken petition. Generally speaking, the petition in a small jar will be written in concise form, not as a long letter or diary. That part would be spoken. Only in instances where the form of the spell allows for a lengthy written petition would you create one. A fine example of the long-form petition-paper is found in the ppers that are slipped behind photos and placed (hidden) in a picture frame. So ...

1) Not useful; creating two items -- a marked photo plus a written petition paper -- when one would do is splitting your focus.

2) Not necessary, but you can do it this way, if your long petition fits.

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Re: Petition Papers and Name Papers Questions and Answers

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:51 pm

zuzu and v --

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Re: Petition Papers and Name Papers Questions and Answers

Unread post by landsgenesis2 » Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:28 am

I purchased "Paper In My Shoe" a couple of years ago, and absolutely loved it -- the information was presented well: typeset, laconic when it sufficed, and expounding when clarification was needed; to such a degree that I remember a good deal of this art form. However, the book was discovered, thrown out, and I was almost thrown out with it (strictly Christian-with-nothing-else-outside-the-Bible-added branch of a home).

My plan was to keep all books as reference material to consult when needed, what have you... and I find myself in a moment of need (by the way, I WILL again purchase that book, as well as the many which were also thrown out from Lucky Mojo).

Very quickly -- and this is something I believe I can do openly because it's scriptural and can be found in Ezekiel 3:1-3 --

1 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.
2 So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.
3 And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness.

So with the above as inspiration, my plan is to either eat or dissolve my petition-prayer in water to drink (I know I can bathe as well). What I'm not quite recalling:

1) Is it recommended that my petition-prayer be on a square page

2) I remember the use of brown or parchment paper with a centered name and words in a circular [broken or unbroken?] formation (among myriad formats) - but can I use [notebook or printer paper (preferably)?] and a sharpie/pen/ink/pencil, and stop and eat it, or so on, so that my name is centered, and my affirmative-petition-prayer is written circularly around it, set it in water, and dissolve it to drink?

3) I know it's not a requirement, but this is something that will make me feel better about the work -- to help it dissolve, stir the petition-prayer in a clockwise motion until it dissolves enough for me to drink and maybe read the above scriptures aloud or in my heart either before or after the work?

Thanks to all who may answer :) And to all of you: May You Always Have Enough :)

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Re: Petition Papers and Name Papers Questions and Answers

Unread post by FiachnaCybele » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:04 pm

Hi landsgenesis2,

There are several different ways to create a petition, and much of it boils down to personal preference, and what kind of shape or style matches the spell you are doing. For instance, I often use a square petition paper, but if I wanted to do a spell to harm a target, I'd consider using a triangle with "sharp" edges.

The book mentioned above, "Paper in My Shoe" goes over all the different ways of writing your command or prayer, and again, the style is based on the type of spell you're trying to do, so I really recommend giving it a read.

As for #3, again it's up to you. You can do a dip, or you can stir. I like to do things in a clockwise motion for drawing things in, and a counterclockwise motion for sending things away.

Please remember that folk magic is an art, not a science, and good luck!
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