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Unread post by Dr Johannes » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:38 am

hermitange --

I depends on the one casting the spell and the specific Mormon in question.
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Unread post by Mama Micki » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:41 am

Get a reading. I don't know if Mormons are protected more than anyone else, but something is going on in your life that isn't right. Cleanse yourself with 13-herb bath and your house with Chinese Wash, then do a Fiery Wall of Protection.
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Unread post by Lee Canipe » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:29 am

Temple garments are the same as a Catholic wearing a scapular, or a Protestant carrying a mojo hand. It is protection, but those defenses can be broken if the case is justified and your magic powerful enough.

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Unread post by euphemia » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:33 am

I had a dream last night, and I saw a female figure I cannot identify. I suspected she was either petitioned in hoodoo or otherwise involved with it, Christianity, or maybe even Santeria, because I had this dream after contemplating my Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes vigil candle and somewhat meditating on her image from that candle.

But, this figure in my dream had dark skin, and she held a hammer. I was also shown an anvil, presumably hers or associated with her. After seeing this, I was shown a light-skinned lady in white robes with maybe some blue detailing, kneeling at an altar, praying. The latter sounds like Mercedes to me, but I am totally clueless about the other figure.

Anyone have any ideas?

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Unread post by Creativecat » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:36 pm

Hi to all;

Anyone know an effective way to call upon Elegua to return evil to enemies?

This is one i do not take lightly, however it is justified.

The intention is to offer them to him; so this is a sacrificial ritual and i plan for it to be done at a crossroads drawn down with chalk as unable to visit the actual crossroads so this one is indoors. Planning to place his offerings as well as symbol on floor and get to work.

Lastly, any experience or guidelines one can give in summoning spirits to assist in rites would be helpful.

This persons have been invading my life and wreacking all sorts of evil; so the time to act is NOW.

Any assistance appreciated. Thanks

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Unread post by Miss Bri » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:46 am

Hi there,

This forum is dedicated to Lucky Mojo products-because Lucky Mojo is our generous sponsor :-) That means that we assist folks in determining which Lucky Mojo products are correct for their situation and how to best work with them. Elegua is an orisha venerated in Lukumi and other traditions. But Lucky Mojo and this forum is dedicated to working within the Hoodoo tradition which has a Christian (mainly Protestant) framework around it--though you do not have to be a Christian to practice. However, at the Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers there are several workers who are conversant in both Hoodoo and Lukumi who may be able to help you, so we recommend that you contact them-2 that I know to be conversant in these traditions and can recommend are:

Dr. E
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/Dr._E.
Lou Florez:
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/Lou_Florez

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Unread post by Dr Johannes » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:09 am

Sounds like a nice dream, Euphemia.
I suggest you do a reading on it and ask for clarification or find a reader who work with this particular Saint.
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Unread post by Creativecat » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:35 am

Thank you Miss. Bri, for your help;

Best

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Unread post by lucywytch » Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:57 pm

Anyone knows anything about Lillith, Hecate & Isis when it comes to herbs ? i personally love these goddesses & i want to worship them or really be in their pressence or be a 'slave' for them, well not really that word but i want to become one of them & want to be worshiped.how can i? many women maybe also want this power. Luckymojo should get more goddesses & gods into their products! :) maybe its not hoodoo, but it might be related.

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Unread post by Mama Micki » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:18 pm

This is a forum dedicated to Lucky Mojo products and the practice of hoodoo, originally practiced by Christian African-Americans. Pagan deities are part of other traditions.
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Unread post by ConjureMan Ali » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:26 pm

Nope, not related. Conjure draws its spiritual foundation from African American Christianity and spirituality.

Lucky Mojo does carry a line of god and goddess products.

There are plenty of herbs that are associated with those three spirits, but you are mixing three separate traditions there so you'll have to seek the knowledge in three different streams unless you prefer the mix-matching mush that some post-modern occultists are all about. Lilith is a demoness, succubi and certainly not a goddess. She is part of Jewish spirituality though has her roots in the Mesopotamian Lilitu. According to rabbinic lore she was the first wife of Adam, but after being rejected in favor of Eve she became the mother of demons, especially those associated with infanticide.

Hecate is the three-faced Anatolian deity that was adopted in Greco-Roman mythology. She is the Mistress of the Crossroads, ghosts, death, witchraft, and things that go bump in the night. She's the mother of the Empasu, queen of the larvae, and over time became associated with things Lunar. She's become syncretized with some Isis cults, especially during the rise of the Mystery Cults in the 200-300 AD.

Isis is an Egyptian deity who is the goddess of fertility, mothers, and sorcery. Wife of Osiris, mother of Horus she is said to have the secrets of Ra and is associated with charms and spells. Her cult eventually grew into a mystery religion that travelled all the way to Rome, though eventually squashed by Diocletian who hated all the non-Roman State cults.

As you can see these are three rather separate deities related to specific cultures. To know about them you'd want to involve yourself in those spiritualities where you'll learn their herb-association and the proper means of devotion.

Also, I don't know what you mean by "become one of them." If you are referring to possession then none of those cults feature possession like you'll find in the African Traditional Religions, though some Hecate cults did perform oracular rites.
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Unread post by lucywytch » Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:35 am

Thank you ConjureMan Ali!

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Unread post by Jibrael » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:46 pm

You can also ask the spirit/saint who She is.
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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:53 pm

euphemia,

The dream you had is not of any Madonna or saint "petitioned in hoodoo," mainly because more than 90% of hoodoo practitioners are Protestants, not Catholics, and there are no canonized saints in most Protestant denominations.

Lots of (White, Latino, and Asian) people think that because Black Cubans practice Santeria that Black Americans do too. Not so. Most Black Ameericans are Baptists. It's not about skin colour -- it's about the culture that folks were raised in.

As i have written previously, "a relatively small number of African Americans [...] are Catholics and Spiritualists -- but [Catholic veneration of saints] is unduly represented here on the forum by a huge influx of Latino Catholic practitioners of the folk magic traditions of curandismo and brujeria, plus Latino and Caucasian practitioners of African-Diasporic religions such as Santeria and Voodoo -- many of whom are trying to graft the Southern American traditions of conjure work into their own cultural and religious traditions."

For more detailed information on the actual subject of African American hoodoo, please read my "Hoodoo in Theory and Practice" page on the history and practice of hoodoo, here:

http://luckymojo.com/hoodoohistory.html

You can learn more about the connection between hoodoo and Black Protestant denominations like the Baptists and African Methodist Episcopalians, by reading the very long thread on Religion and conjure, into which this thread is being merged.
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Unread post by mountainwiccan » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:32 pm

I have a background in Wicca, not Hoodoo so am learning by visiting this site. I wanted to ask whether ritual was/is important in Hoodoo when creating magicks.

1) Do I for example have to use a wand or athame?

2) Do I have to cast a circle and call the four quarters?

3) Will I require an altar?

Thanks and sorry if this is in the wrong forum. I was not certain where to post the question.
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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:45 pm

1) No.

2) No.

3) No, not really. You need a working counter space, nightstand, bureau, chest of drawers, vanity, table, chifferobe, or other space on which to work. If it is just where you work, it can be referred to as a working altar. If it is a permanent set-up, it may be named and decorated by situation (love altar, money altar, etc.) or by the spirits with whom you work (ancestor altar, spirit altar).

Start by reading the following informational pages:

Hoodoo introduction:
http://luckymojo.com/hoodoohistory.html

Forum thread on altars:
altars-questions-and-answers-t124.html
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Unread post by mountainwiccan » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:32 am

I have to say, I am thankful. The ritual was never something I relished with Wicca.

I set up an altar a few days ago with all of the paraphernalia - e.g athame, wand, god and goddess, etc but knowing that this is not essential is a good thing.. for me!

Thanks! I'll look at the links now.
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Unread post by Joseph Magnuson » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:33 pm

mounatinwiccan: Please do spend a while at those pages that miss cat has sent you to. They will help you immensely!
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Unread post by PlagueJester » Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:06 pm

Lee Canipe wrote:...those defenses can be broken if the case is justified...
That's exactly what I was just thinking...

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Unread post by Luckbewithme876 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:34 pm

I for one am very thankful that Hoodoo is Christian based. Most stuff about magic is all Pagan based, which is fine for someoen else but God (or more specifically, the Christian One) is someone who's carried me through many hardships in life and He's certainly not something I'm ever going to give up, magic or no. So Hoodoo has quite literally been a Godsend for me since for a long time I've wanted to do magic.
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Unread post by carcarcar » Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:56 pm

I'm a newbie of magic, and am curious about it.

I was born in a Christian family, and to be honest, some of Christian's value affect me. (I'm considering myself as a half-Christian, with opened mind, may be.)

As I know, using a magic or hoodoo is forbidden in Christian culture, but I've noticed some of LM products mention Christian things ( Jehovah, some Saints, Angels,etc)

So, Can a Christian use Magic/Hoodoo? :)

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:28 pm

Dear carcarcar,

Most practitioners of hoodoo are Christians. Most are Protestant Christians. Most are Baptists. That's because hoodoo is primarily the folk-magic of African Americans from the South.

German and German-American folk-magic -- such as Braucherei and Pow Wow magic -- may have a Protestant context or a Catholic context depending on what part of Germany the magician lives in or their family came from.

Most Swedish practitioners of folk magic are Lutherans, because that is the predominant Christian denomination in their area of the world.

Right-wing evangelical Christian has not historically been a major trend in Christianity except at certain specific times and places (e.g. in England during Cromwell's reign, in the USA since 1985). The current form of right-wing Christianity arose during the same time period as other religions also produced split-offs of right-wing factions -- that is, at the same time that right-wing Islam and right-wing Judaism were developing and splitting off from mainstream Islam and mainstream Judaism.

Ultimately, whether or not YOU believe that YOU can "use hoodoo" (we say "practice hoodoo") is your individual decision, We cannot tell you which stream of Christianity to belong too, nor can we decide whether or not African American folk magic will prove to be a valuable study to you.

This thread has been merged into the general religion thread. If you want to learn a lot more, do read the thread from the beginning.

Here's a video that may help you understand:

"Take Me To The Water" - Isaac Bonds Baptism
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Unread post by Nolongerhere » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:43 pm

Hi all, just asking for some advice on working with spirits.

It seems as though I have found some level of patronage from a deity (pagan) and I get the impression this spirit wishes me to work with it exclusively (or almost exclusively, as she has a child in mythology who comes as part of the package, as well as a selection of lovers.) I get given nudges or general hunches on what to offer and what I can do to serve the Spirit/Goddess & her child and I get a sense of great power and energy, as well as tingling sensations along my body when talking, evoking and praying to said deity (or shortly after.)

Do you think I should happily serve this spirit and see how my workings go? If successful, would you suggest that I remain faithful?

Does anyone here work with a specific spirit or 'family' of spirits? Or class themselves as a devotee to a particular spirit? Is this natural in hoodoo to come across a spirit who favors you but wishes you to favor them as much in return?

Share your practices or experiences as I'd appreciate the feedback.

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Unread post by ConjureMan Ali » Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:06 pm

Some spirits can be demanding. That said it isn't too common to hear conjurers being forced to work with one entity exclusively because the primary force worked with is that of God. On the other hand it is common to find conjurers going back to those spirits that come through for them. For example if a particular spirit of the dead proves itself helpful the conjure doctor may go back to that spirit.
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Unread post by Nolongerhere » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:34 am

Mmm... Interesting Conjureman, see this is a pagan deity - so perhaps it is slightly different? Again it isn't traditional conjure but I wondered if others came across this who may incorporate different deities in their practice.

Thanks for the response.
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Unread post by Jasmina » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:36 am

I am a devotee of Hekate, but I separate my practices. When I do conjure work - I pray to the Biblical God, I read Psalms etc. Same thing when I pray at my ancestors altar, mostly because they were Christian themselves.

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Unread post by Nolongerhere » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:28 am

@Makedonce, so keeping your practices separate - doesn't that feel like living more than one spiritual life?

I have no problem with Pagan Gods/Goddesses or Saints, as I often view them as interchangeable when looking at what many academics have to say about how Rome handled the conversion. So if I use a pagan name over a Saints name - in essence I am still calling upon a specific energy, be it a whole energy which can be divided (the All in the many and many in the All.) Though I am quite animist in some ways also.

Is there a problem using hoodoo condition oils and spiritual supplies when praying to a Pagan deity? I suppose I should allow my results to be the measuring stick on that question.
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Unread post by Jasmina » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:54 am

No, not really. I do my weekly devotions to her, which dont include any conjure elements. I do my daily spiritual development Western Magick practices as well. And when I decide to get something done magically via conjure - I stay true to how that tradition works.

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Unread post by Lee Canipe » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:13 am

Lord have mercy. That's all I can say. I know this is a forum for Lucky Mojo Curio Co. supplies and products and not a place for theology or history lessons-- and I respect that this is Miss Cat's place. But, Lord have mercy.

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Unread post by Nolongerhere » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:30 am

Thank you @Makedonce, I love hearing how others practice.

@Lee - MISC is open to all deities, please take note of that. But I appreciate your personal world view & all the best to you.

Though even someone who has identified as Pagan for many a years is considering broadening my path, we'll see how that one goes - I'm not making promises. Lol.
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Unread post by ConjureMan Ali » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:09 pm

Please don't think that saints are the same as pagan deities--they are not. Each belongs to their own cultural-religious tradition.

As I stated before conjure is a Protestant Christian African American spirituality. You are not going to get much information on how to incorporate a deity in your practice as the only deity in the tradition is God. He is considered the source of all power, vivifying the spiritual force of plants, herbs, and roots through His Spirit. All prayers are said to him.

What we do work with is spirits of the dead. Some conjure doctors will go back to those spirits of the dead that have come through for them. For example there is one that I work with for hot foot work. He's always come through so I always go back to his grave for graveyard dirt for hot foot work. But I'm not setting up altars to him or involved in devotional work with him.

Now there is the Spiritualist influence in conjure and in this paradigm there is a whole world of spirits. You can read more about it here:

http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/wi ... _Tradition

As to "pagan" deities I don't know about them in conjure so I can't really comment. All I can say is if you want the source of power in conjure it is God. Or I was once told, "God, the root, the dead, and the devil."
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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:34 pm

Sol a.k.a. Nolongerhere,

If this were a Missionary Independent Spiritual Churches Forum, the topic would be on -- but so far no one has paid the thousands of bucks it would take to set up a MISC Forum, and this is actually the Lucky Mojo Forum and Lucky Mojo is a conjure shop, primarily.

So ... this thread is being merged into the usual religion thread.
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Unread post by Devi Spring » Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:19 am

I'll just chime in briefly. I work with Hindu deities in conjure, and I'm familiar with the "All God/desses are One" approach as well. I hold multiple truths, so while I do agree with the notion that God is ALL, and therefore all God/desses and spirits (and everything else in creation) are part of the One, I still treat deities, saints, and spirits as unique and non-interchangeable entities.

I have found in my practice that approaching them as archetypes that are used as plug-and-play figures has, in my personal experience, just less effectiveness than treating them as independent beings that each have their own cultural expectations, like individual likes and dislikes, and inter-spiritual conflicts and taboos. While it may be easy to look at all, for example, love goddesses as the same, when you get down to it they have very different energies and approaches to relationships, and sometimes are quite jealous and picky about who they will work for, and what other spirits they will work with.

While I completely understand that historical research will show how some cultures annexed similar local god/desses under the name and function of larger deities, the fact remains that if you look at the individual names/titles that will be assigned to the larger god/dess, which often reflect the names of the more "minor" deities that were amalgamated, you can still identify individual faces that have very specific functions within that larger patronage. It's more like they become a family or collective of spirits that serve a similar function and work under one Name, and if you work with that Name deeply enough you'll start to see the various facets, and can work even more effectively with them.

Anyway - I won't get too far off into this discussion. And each person has their own path and their own practice - and if it works for them, more power to them! I just wanted to make that mention as a counterpoint to the "All god/desses are One God/dess" perspective.
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Unread post by Bellasangre14 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:08 am

I had a ritual lined up for this Saturday being its the first night of a waning moon and also Saturday being good for banishment, I wanted to banish an enemy. However I realized it was Holy Saturday.

1) Are there any taboos because of the holiday or any tips that might be helpful in giving my ritual more power?

2) I need something that will pack a powerful punch. I worked a ritual in the past that worked but for a temporary time. So I decided to do something extra potent one last time.

Any ideas, tips or warning would be helpful.

Thanks!

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:17 am

Bellasangre14 --

1) This is a religious matter, so the query is being merged into the long thread on religion.

Religious beliefs are personal, familial, and/or cultural and are not universally shared, even among all professing adherents of any given religion. We do not discuss people's religious beliefs in this forum.

Thanks for understanding.

2) Having answered question #1, as best as can be done, i'd like to ask you to go back and re-post your request for tips on banishing work in the section of the board on cursing, hot footing, and break-up spells. Please be more specific than you were here:

What kind of "ritual" did you do in the past that had temporary results?

Are you working in the hoodoo tradition at the present time? (The word "ritual" does not sound like you are.)

Do you want suggestions for Lucky Mojo conjure supplies to accomplish your goal?

Are there any sorts of limitations to you work? (Examples of "limitations" might include that you cannot burn candles or incense, that you have no personal concern of the target individual, that you are experiencing conflicted emotions with respect to the target individual, that you intend to work without purchasing any spiritual supplies, et cetera.)

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Unread post by Yoseph » Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:09 am

I am Jewish and I observe Shabbath, when I have to do a 7 day ritual, what ever the start day is I start on it. When Saturday comes around, I dont ritual - I skip a day - The commandment from Genesis to Revealation says observe the Shabbath & keep it Holy, Its written six days shall I labor and do all my work but he seventh day is the Shabbath in which we shall Rest. ( I know this one's on me, so does anyone observe like me and does Ceremony & Ritual Like me ? )

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I'm not an observant Jew, but I have heard that it is permissible to break the sabbath to save a life. So I'll answer your question with a question -- might it be possible to do healing and some kinds of Court Case or prosperity work on the sabbath? A little food for thought is all I can offer.

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Unread post by Yoseph » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:01 am

Yes, continue to do that.In reference to this Topic the Scriptures says in Romans 14: vs 4,5 & 6 " Who are you who judges the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Yes,he shall be made to stand; for Yhwh has power to make him stand. v5 One man esteems one day above another; another esteems eveyday.Let each man be fully assured in his own mind. v6 He who regards the day,regards to Yhwh:and he that eats , eats to Yhwh,for he gives Elohim thanks; and he that eats not, to Yhwh he eats not,and gives Elohim thanks.
In closing Romans chap 14 should be read & studied by all who have the opportunity to see this post, it will really relieve ALOT of Personal,Social & Professional Tensions. Shalom everyone.

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Unread post by MissMichaele » Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:22 pm

And another thing: conjure work almost always includes prayer to The Most High -- and I can't think of anything more appropriate for the Sabbath, especially if it helps other people.

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Unread post by Yoseph » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:30 pm

Yes Miss Michelle, I agree with that totally. ( The work behind the prayer is what i was asking about in my first origination, prayer & being a help to others goes without saying,because of our special gifts we have )But I noticed the Sabbthe day of rest allows me to finish my ritual work on the same day I started it. For an example, if I began something for myself or someone that requires a Friday Venus day, Skipping the ritual work on Saturday But maintaining the prayer on the 7th day ( if I do it ) "will enable me to finish on a Friday Venus day."
Instead on a Thursday Which is a Jupiter day & the things asscoiated with jupiter. Plus the Sun & Moon if im observing those to!

But from an attribute & association point of view of the sun, moon & planets, The suggestion of my topic hits the mark, I end on the same day I started with its attributes and associations I want to work with , either for me or someone or something,and I still observe the 7x rule, and the Jewish Sabbath rest.The more Correspondance,Alignment & Syncricity the tighter the aim. I'm really questioning the Rule about doing something 7x, with a one day break. & seeing of its been done, or if Im the first to pave the way.

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Unread post by MissMichaele » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:44 am

You'd be the first. If you're continuing the prayer part of the ritual without a break, but only taking a Sabbath break for the "3-dimensional" work of lighting candles and so forth, it might be magically effective.

But Hoodoo arose among African-American Protestants (and Catholics), who were taught by Jesus that "the sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath." I don't quote that as a slam at sabbath-keepers -- absolutely not! But in its original context, this was Jesus' response to an accusation of sabbath-breaking when his disciples were gleaning and eating raw grain on the sabbath.

Since most of my work is done for folks who need my help, I would feel very uncomfortable about stopping the work on a sabbath-day.
Yoseph wrote:But I noticed the Sabbthe day of rest allows me to finish my ritual work on the same day I started it. ... I end on the same day I started with its attributes and associations I want to work with.
That might add some magical power, yes. I'm not sure it would be any greater than the power of working straight through.

Do let us know how this practice works out for you.

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:58 am

the multi-day vigil lights are popular with observant Jews because you do not need to light the candle on the Sabbath -- it's already lit!

Just a thought!
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Unread post by MissMichaele » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:48 pm

catherineyronwode wrote:the multi-day vigil lights are popular with observant Jews because you do not need to light the candle on the Sabbath -- it's already lit!

Just a thought!
<facepalm> I don't know why I didn't think of that!

Yes, you could even adapt honey jar spells -- a flat, sturdy sugar box with a vigil light on top. I found a lovely stainless-steel heart-shaped box in the thrift store a few months back which I used for that purpose. It was quite inexpensive, so of course I snapped it up.

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Unread post by Yoseph » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:24 pm

In Closing, with this age, there is Obersvers & non Obrservers, ( Not everybody is obligated to Observe & everybody is not obligate to not Obeserve ( That is our free will ) alike. If you Observe either from a Orthodox or through the Messianic Prespective well do it. & When life requires you to respond to its many diffent distractions or necessities, well, go and take care of business. But came back and comtinue observing. Here's and example,I hold a Public Position and I also manage a team,& on call 24/7.
Many a times, I've had to do some act of work from somewhere or cover a shift, or make a call to make ends meet, gas up the car, do groceries and even drive back to town. But when I can, I get back to Observing where I left off. I learned a lesson one time,I had a chance to schedule myself off a schedule, and I did, and went back to resting and relaxing on the Saturday Sabbath. & when I did, I caught the light of a verse of Bible Scripture Christ said to his disciples " Thy Kingdom come thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. " Thy will be done on Earth As it is in Heaven Hmmm! Well, ( Eureka ) I really, really,really understood that!I once did something, I will go back and keep doing it like I did before, Observe what I observe and rest like I was resting. I was making sure the Will got done on Earth as its being done in Heaven. Once i realized that everything else was easy! So on that note, whatever you do, keep on doing it, and what others are doing, they can keep on doing that to, as long as it doesn't violate the Laws of man and the rights of others we should fare well. ( Ha Shem Shalom. )

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:00 pm

Another thought of note in this regard: as Jews, we are told that no Talmudic instruction, and not even a Commandment should be strictly observed if doing so at that time and place will cause harm. This is explained because we, as God's creations, are here to fulfill God's plans for us, and if we recklessly endanger ourselves though the stubborn practice of a custom or a Commandment in a place and / or time that might cause harm, we are substituting our own pride in strict observance for God's more compassionate request that we live on this Earth.

So, for instance, as my mother once explained to me, "The way it works is that if lighting a Sabbath candle would create a visible glow that would, God forbid, lead the Gestapo to find you, then you can say, 'I would light a Sabbath candle now, but i cannot for fear of harm or death, so God forgive me and allow me to live to the next Sabbath, when. God willing, i can light a Sabbath candle in a place of safety"

By the way, this thread is now being merged into the long, long, long thread on RELIGIONS.
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Unread post by Tristan » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:48 am

Another suggestion for continuing long-term work, such as lighting candles, while observing the Sabbath would be to have a shabbos goy (a non-Jew who performs acts on behalf of an observant Jew which would be forbidden on the Sabbath) do them.

This could mean having a light set for you by a member of AIRR or by MISC, enlisting them to aid you in proxy work on the Sabbath, or simply having a non-Jew light your spiritual candles if you were comfortable with that.

For example, if you were doing an uncrossing on yourself, you might hire a rootworker to make a doll baby of you. On the Sabbath, you could perform the spiritual bathing yourself and your worker could light the candles and fumigate your doll baby with incense. In this way, the work is continued without breaking any Sabbath prohibitions.

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Unread post by Yoseph » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:27 am

Very interesting Tristan,I shall remember this.

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Unread post by redcase1 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:39 pm

hi, i do not know whether this is the right place to post this, but i hope someone can help me!

i intend to buy Lucky Mojo spell kits, in fact I've already purchased oils, candles, and a mojo bag, am just waiting for it to arrive.

i was reading up on Wicca before i came to this site on root work, and now i really really would like to know the difference between Wicca and root work.

my basic understanding is that Wicca is a religion, whereas root work is just a practice.and that Wicca requires charging of items whereas root work already assumes that objects have a natural power.

So can Wicca practices (casting circles, thanking deities etc) be merged with Lucky Mojo spells?

Will it have any negative effect?

I'm a little confused. Are they very different?

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Unread post by MissMichaele » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:52 pm

Hoodoo is historically an African-American Christian magical practice, mostly Protestant. Casting circles isn't part of it -- which only means you can do without it. Conjure workers generally appeal to Jesus, to God, to their ancestors, and/or to the spirits of the plants and minerals they work with.

But Wiccans and people of many other religions can and do use Lucky Mojo spell kits to good effect.

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:23 am

Wicca is a religion that was developed in the mid 20th century, primarily in England, at the outset, although it soon spread to the United States, Canada, and other English-speaking nations, and by the 1960s was found in other European countries, at which point it began to schism, leading to many "denominations" (usually called lineages or traditions), such as Gardnerian Wicca, Alexandrian Wicca, Dianic Wicca, and so forth.

The original premise of Wicca was that it was a revival of ancient pre-Christian religious practices of the native peoples of England, Scotlad, Ireland, and other parts of Europe.

Wicca is considered to be one of the Neo-Pagan religions -- that is a religion that revives or re-invents a religion that went extinct when Christianity became the dominant state-supported religion in many nations of Europe.

Other Neo-Pagan religions include Druidry, Asatru, British Traditional Witchcraft, Kemetic Orthodoxy, and Heathenism -- and there are more.

The magic of the original pagans who lived in the region where Wicca was invented was called witchcraft. Witchcraft was not originally a religion per se; it was the magic of the people of that area. Because witchcraft was not a religion, its name is generally not capitalized, by the way, unless it is a part of the name of a religious group.

As a religion, Wicca in its early days tended to shun the practice of witchcraft or Anglo-Saxon folk-magic. In fact, many Wiccans will tell you that it is wrong to cast spells at all -- especially if you do not have the concent of the one upon whom you are casting the spell. However, in more recent years, some branches of Wicca have decided to include witchcraft and spell-casting in their teachings.

Now it is important to understand that while not every religion includes a form of magic, some religions do include magic as part of what they do. I call these "magic-friendly"religions. For example, Hinduism is magic-friendly, and so is Chinese Taoism. Jewish folk magic has survived alongside Judaism for centuries.

Wicca, however, had spent so long a time claiming that magic was not part of the religion, that when Wiccans decided to practice magic, they had little continuous, unbroken traditions of practice to study or learn from. Therefore a number of Wiccans, such as Lady Sheba and Charmaine Dey, who were Anglo (White) Americans, turned to the nearest folk magic they could find, which was African (Black) American hoodoo. And they adopted it as "their" magic, so that the magic that many young Wiccans practice, unlike the magic of other European-derived Neo-Pagan religions, often carries elements of hoodoo within it -- and in fact, it is becoming quite common for young Wiccans with no knowledge of history to believe that African American conjure is something that their own tradition has always endorsed or taught, despite the long history of racial division that has separated their families from those of Black people.

Meanwhile, hoodoo is the folk magic of Black Christians, most of whom are Protestant Christians. Many Africans who were brought to America as slaves came from magic-friendly religious cultures, and when they converted to Christianity in America, they retained their approving interest in magic and continued to practice it. This was true of Christians in other nations where magic survived when Pagans received Christian religious conversions.

Hoodoo is not a religion in itself, but it is almost always practiced in a religious context -- and that context is African American Protestantism. There are Black Spiritualists, Black Catholics, Black Muslims, and Black Jews in America -- and even a number of Black Wiccans -- but the hoodoo tradition is part and parcel of American Black culture, and that culture is primarily Baptist.

So, to answer your question: Sure, Wiccans can practice hoodoo if they want to -- no one is stopping them -- but they are guests at the feast, because hoodoo is primarily the folk magic of Black American Christians. If a Wiccan feels the need to warp hoodoo in such a way as to make it accord with Wiccan beliefs and religious practices, there are no "hoodoo police" to give them a ticket.

One last thing, you mention "thanking deities" as a particularly Wiccan practice. Most root doctors also pray and also thank deities -- namely, God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, otherwise known as Jehovah the Lord, Jesus the Saviour, and the Holy Spirit.

Will switching deities out while practicing hoodoo "have any negative effect?" Probably not. Some Wiccans may shun you and some hoodoo practitioners will think that you are not a very polite guest in their culture.

Are Wicca and hoodoo very different? Yes. One is a fairly newly developed Neo-Pagan religion that worships a God and Goddess (or, in some lineages, only a Goddess) that was developed by the modern White descendents of Christian Europeans in an attempt to revive their ancestors' pre-Christian religion. The other is a retention of African folk magic combined and blended with Northern European folk magic, Native American folk magic, and Jewish folk magic and practiced by members of the Christian religion that worships an originally Jewish (Middle Eastern) God.

It's a wide, wild, and wonderful world, isn't it?

Here -- let's have some gospel music after all of that:

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(And this will now be merged into the long thread on religion.)
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Sometimes I wish there was a "like" button on the forum--i'd like cat's post above.
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Funny you should post that, Conjureman Ali, as I was just looking for the "Like" button on the last thread I was in...great that there are so many good posts on here, bad that I have been so well trained by the devil Facebook.
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Unread post by MrZipZipZip » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:09 am

Please pardon me if this post is in the wrong place, or if the answer is right under my nose and I have not found it.

On Mondays I usually leave a little something at a crossroads for Papa Legba.

This week I've set up a temporary altar and placed an offering of some cornmeal, candies, and coins, as well as a candle and glass of water for the spirits of my ancestors.

I know, it is better to be more generous, but that is what I could gather, and the altar has to be dismantled soon (it is not my house).

Where should I take the offering; A crossroads? Backyard? The trash?

Please advise.

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:17 pm

MrZipZIpZip,

Your post has been moved to the catch-all thread on RELIGIONS.

You apparently are practicing some form of Voodoo or Vodoun, without being initiated -- because if you had a mambo or houngan to guide you, you would not come to a product forum for hoodoo supplies to ask about your religion.

I suggest that if you want to know the authentic ways to serve Papa Legba, you connect with or contact actual adherents of the religion you are attempting to practice and enter into the religion fully. I think that among our moderators, Mary Bee is initiated in Voodoo and she may help you privately, if you approach her sincerely.

This is not a religion forum, and there is no way that you will get a valid response about the religion of Vodou from a bunch of folk-magic practitioners -- especially hoodoo practitioners, because hoodoo is a form of folk-magic mostly practiced by African American Christians.

Although there are concepts about the crossroads in hoodoo, as there are in dozens of magical, spiritual, and religious systems of thought and practice all around the world, we conjure doctors are no more authorized to speak on the customary forms of veneration of a Vodoun deity than we are to speak on the traditional forms of worship of Allah, Hecate, Kwan Yin, or the Tiki gods of Polynesia.

In conclusion, i suggest that you take a half hour or so to read this thread from the very beginning to the end, because the topic of Voodoo and its varied pantheon of deities has come up several times in the past few years.

Looking back over the thread myself, preparatory to writing this reply to you, i realized that the Forum moderators and myself have already written a great deal on the subject of the various world religions which people wish to practice while incorporating some small elements of Christian hoodooism into their lives -- and how well they can cobble the two together (or not). I sincerely hope you will go back and read it all, because there is knowledge and wisdom to be had in this thread that is worth the time it will take you to work your way through it.

Good luck in your spiritual journey, wherever it may lead.

Oh, and if you want to learn more about the true role of Haitian people in the development of African American culture, this video may help:

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Unread post by hrabia » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:30 pm

Hell!

I can't found suitable section on forum...
I wanna ask you... about sense of life. Why people live here? Some people belive "We get experience on earth" But for what we need any experience?

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Unread post by Apollo Dark » Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:19 pm

hrabia wrote:Hell!

I can't found suitable section on forum...
I wanna ask you... about sense of life. Why people live here? Some people belive "We get experience on earth" But for what we need any experience?
This is a philosophical question left for Religions to answer. Hoodoo is a Folk Magic tradition, and not a religion.

All different kinds of answer canbe givin, but a true answer is something you must discover for yourself.


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Unread post by hrabia » Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:02 pm

Thank you my friend!

I know what you mean with Hoodoo... But i wanna know what thinking "Hoodooists" about sense of life, that's all :)

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Unread post by Doctor Hob » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:56 pm

Like Apollo said, your questions gets into depths that don't really have anything to do with us, as hoodoo practitioners. Though hoodoo has a strong connection to Christianity, there are a lot of religious, and philosophical, positions represented by the people who post here. As interesting as the discussion could be, this isn't really the place for it.

Good luck, with your search.
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Unread post by Apollo Dark » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:54 pm

Perhaps having a reading or consultation with a Professional Practitioner will give you some insight.

Find one here: http://www.rootworkers.com

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Different hoodoo practitioners will have different views of The Meaning Of Life, depending on their upbringing, beliefs and experience.

A reading, though, might help you discover the purpose of your life.

God has some plan for you -- it may be a big one that will change the world, or a little one that will bring joy to you and those around you, yet never leave a trace in the history books. But we all wish you God's blessing and good luck.

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