Trouble is, hon, and no offense intended -- i have NEVER said that or anything like that! I do not happen to believe it is true, either, so i have no reason to ever say it. I have NO IDEA what you mean by a "final showdown," but it doesn't sound like any kind of spell-casting or rootwork that i perform or teach to others, either. It's not your fault, but i really dislike it that people attribute false rule-making to me, and i try at least once a week to stop them from doing so.I read miss Cat's post somewhere saying it takes 3 days for some positive signs, 3 weeks for some movement and 3 months for a final showdown.
Rather than point you to a bunch of wide-scattered forum posts i have made about the subject of signs, i am going to compile everything i have written here about signs into one post, so that people can put an end to this foolishness.
SOMETIMES I PRAY FOR SIGNS AS I PERFORM THE WORK:
Re: Feeling Spiritually Depleated
Post by catherineyronwode » Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:15 am
... i may pray something like this:
"As we have been together five months and now are apart, i will work for half the time we shared -- for 2 1/2 months or 6 weeks only -- to bring us back together, and i will devote my time to this quest fully and in perfect trust that You, Dear Lord and God, will lead my footsteps on this path. If our reunion is to be, show me three signs along the way, Dear Lord, to strengthen my resolve, but do not let my lover tarry over-long, for in the end i seek love and happiness, and if it is not to be with him, then it will be with another man of Your choosing, Dear Lord and God, my Guide."
I TEACH MY STUDENTS TO LOOK FOR SIGNS
what-is-considered-a-"sign"-that-a-spel ... tml#p33914
Re: What is considered a "sign" that a spell is working?
Post by catherineyronwode » Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:28 pm
A sign is an omen or significant coincidence or synchronicity that indicates a link between your spell and the target or between the target and the goal for which you have cast the spell.
Signs can take the form of coincident names, numbers, speech, animal movements, weather patterns, and, yes, dreams.
However, if you believe that dreams are "subconscious regurgitating," they will be of little or no use to you as signs.
Conjure is a world-view as much as a system of magic. Your question about dreams is similar to those asked by others from different world-views: Can i be an atheist and practice hoodoo? Can i practice hoodoo if i don't believe that herbs have spiritual power?
For you, if dreams have no value as spiritual signs but are merely "subconscious regurgitations," you would not be able to use dreams as signs.
The experience of seeing a sign is subjective and it is built upon a subjective belief in the efficacy of contact with a form of reality beyond the mundane, a glimpse into the liminal space between mundanity and spirituality.
Some seek signs in the Bible -- but if you don't believe the Bible is divinely inspired, you might not find signs there.
Some seek signs in nature -- but if you do not interact with nature, you will not be able to see signs there.
If your subjective experience is such that all activities are reducible to mundanity for you, you will not see signs at all, ever.
I suppose, if you and i sat down and talked for an hour or so, i could tell you more about what magic means to me and how i work with the spiritual and magical elements in my life, and you might find interest or encouragement to emulate my practices. But in a forum like this, where i am barraged by people who already work in the hoodoo tradition and are looking for short, informative, practical spell tips and help, i am not all that inclined to discuss the theory and the philosophy of magic. I have too much work to do answering practical questions about how to use the products we make.
So i'll just leave you with this thought:
Go with what you believe in.
I TEACH A TRADITIONAL TIME-TABLE WHEN LOOKING FOR SIGNS
misc-candles-set-at-missionary-independ ... tml#p33169
Re: Candles set for me at MISChurch
Post by catherineyronwode » Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:44 am
After completing a spell (any spell, including candle burning, doll-making, setting up a honey jar, etc.), you may look for signs of coming success within three days, look for movement toward your goal within three weeks, and look for a final result within three months.
If you see no signs within three days, then you may want to add additional spell work; if you see no movement within three weeks, you definitely want to do more work; and if you get no results within three months, then whatever spell you tried (in your case, candle work, but this applies to all types of spell work) did not succeed and you should either give up the work or try again with a new and different approach, by which i mean not only a new and different spell, but also a new tactical approach toward your goal.
Re: burning candles vs. vinegar jar
Post by catherineyronwode » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:47 pm
We look for signs in three days, for movement in three weeks, and for results in three months -- or the spell is deemed to not have worked. If you see no signs and no movement, you can persist in the spell for three months, but any longer would not be recommended by me.
*question-about-cat%CA%B9s-comment-time ... html#p9262
Re: *Question about Cat's Comment: Time Limit on Honey Jar?
Post by catherineyronwode » Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:16 pm
You should look for some signs within 3 days, and look for some motion within 3 weeks. If you see no motion at all, even after three weeks, then the spell probably is not going to work. If you see some motion, then continue the spell work for 3 months or until you get satisfaction.
I REINFORCE THE IDEA OF HEEDING THE SIGNS YOU SEE
hot-foot-on-nasty-co-worker-update-abt- ... html#p5246
Re: Hot Foot on Nasty Co-worker - update abt failed mission
Post by catherineyronwode » Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:04 pm
Interpreting the outcome of a spell was taught to me like this:
Look for SIGNS in THREE DAYS.
Look for MOVEMENT in THREE WEEKS.
Look for COMPLETION in THREE MONTHS.
Now, signs, movements, and completion are three different things.
So many people think that they should proceed with a long-term spell even after the signs are bad, but for me, the opposite has always been true. Likewise, even if the signs were good to neutral, but i saw no movement in three weeks, i would walk away from the spell. We are not looking for last-minute turn-arounds here -- on the 90th day you get your result -- rather, we are looking for good signs, positive movement, and a successful outcome, completing the spell. If we get good signs and some good movement, we may add other spell work to the process, to increase our success rate. If we get bad signs and no movement, it is, in my experience, very unlikely that there will be a good outcome.
A spell/divination like this is a delicate dance. You laid your trick. Then you waited for a sign. You got a bad sign: the target responded by wiping away your spell work. End of story. Either try again but more sneakily, or use another spell, or give up.
I mean, what is the point of looking for signs, if you don't actually heed the signs?
I REBUKE PEOPLE WHO ADVISE OTHERS TO NOT WATCH AND LOOK FOR SIGNS:
Re: What is considered a "sign" that a spell is working?
Post by catherineyronwode » Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:06 pm
I STRONGLY, and i mean VERY STRONGLY! disagree with anyone who says that one "should not go looking for signs," and i consider that advice to be HOGWASH!
I will go even farther than that and give my opinion that it is a bunch of ANTI-MAGIC PROPAGANDA originally formulated by people who don't trust or respect the POWER of magical workings and who want people to disconnect their Wills from their Works.
In my life, i have always been taught by my elders in conjure -- and have always taught my students -- to "LOOK FOR SIGNS. "
This includes looking around you in an alert manner, but also to SEEK signs.
Did you see above, in my earlier post, where i talked about getting signs from the Bible? Well, folks, the Bible is a closed book unless you OPEN IT AND LOOK.
This is called Bibliomancy.
Read all about it here, at the AIRR site:
http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/in ... ibliomancy
LOOKING for signs is as traditional as it gets in hoodoo.
I AM RELUCTANT TO JUDGE OTHER PEOPLES' SIGNS:
what-is-considered-a-"sign"-that-a-spel ... tml#p34009
Re: I feel like I got a sign - does someone else agree with me?
Post by catherineyronwode » Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:33 pm
Generally a sign relates to your work, that is, the spells you are casting.
Only you know if what you saw was indicative of success (or failure) for the kind of work you are doing.
For instance, if you were seeking harmony with your mate, then the fact that your notebooks lined up "accidentally" on a table was positive.
But say you'd been doing break-up work, trying to get two people to fight. Then the lining up of the notebooks would have indicated their desire to stay together and not break ranks, and would not have been a good sign.
This is why we don't interpret signs for people or interpret their dreams on this board. A reader may be able to instruct you, or you can learn more about this on your own, but our mission here is to hep you select and use Lucky Mojo products.