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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:03 am

Go back and READ WHAT I WROTE:

I said, clearly, precisely, and distinctly, NEVER START ANYTHING DURING AN ECLIPSE.

When asked how far in time (forward and backward) an eclipse's effects extended i said "not very far." Not weeks, not even days. Several hours each way -- make it a 12 hour frame of reference on either side of the eclipse if you want to be specifically astrological or "the day of the eclipse" if you want to play it by folk-magic almanac rules.

Some of you people worry too much, overthink your spells too much, and just wind yourselves up into little knots over the minutest suggestion of negativity from a random internet know-it-all. Check your wild fearful emotions. Focus. Study. Learn. If you have the interest, take my course and learn to practice hoodoo from the inside, not just from gossip on the net.
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Unread post by jwmcclin » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:03 pm

I am sure this will come up, there will be a Lunar Eclipse on Dec. 21st on the day of the Full Moon. Please read what has been discussed about spell casting during that phase.
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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by Commander Snuggles » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:54 am

Hi All,
I've been using a Saturn candle in conjunction with a LM Break Up candle. However, I just read that Saturn is retrograde. What effect, if any, will this have on my work? Do I need to do anything differently?
I've dealt with Mercury retrogrades before but they don't seem to last as long as this Saturn retrograde will.
Any advice is most appreciated.

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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by Papa Newt » Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:48 pm

Many workers do not allow retrogrades to effect their work if they started the work before the retrograde began.

I have in the past, if it felt right, to play a mantra that is dedicated to the planet in retrograde as an offering and a balancing the "energy" of the space I am working in. Also have lit a candle dedicated to the planet to balance the energy as well. Of course I say if it feels right, and a lot of times I do not.

One must be careful as to how much they focus on a retrograde, for your focus/attention is like a magnifying glass and will manifest the effects into your life with greater ease the more one focuses on such a thing. These are just natural ebb and flow of the cosmos and if you have already started the work before the Saturn retrograde, no worries. If you are doing work after such, do what you need to do to get the work done. This is one of the greatest things about hoodoo is the flexibility of it. :-)
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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by Apo » Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:06 pm

I would wait it out and then work with Saturn. A planet retrograde is like something going backwards, it undoes what it has done, and when it goes back direct it re does it, a lil bit like going over a work, changing your mind and redoing it all over again from scratch.

But these are astrological magic rules, not hoodoo rules. Papa Newt's idea of offering a mantra to saturn is excellent, its suppose to counter balance. But remember, asking a planet for help is like asking a person for help, if the person is ill disposed (retrograde) it will be harder for them to help you out.

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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by Miss Ida Lundin » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:02 pm

I just got to say that I haven't heard any root doctors putting off work because Saturn is retrograde. Saturn is retrograde four and a half month every year. Would be a long time to hold of on any negative work.

The basic rule should be if you need to work, you work. If you enhance your work by working with appropriate astrological timing that's good. But that would be an enhancement, not a prerequisite to do any work.

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Unread post by starsinthesky7 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:29 pm

Retrogrades, such as Mercury Retrograde which is the most frequent, are mostly about going back to something or reflecting. Retrogrades are not, and should not be considered such a negative thing. I mean, yes, they create mishaps, and perhaps different ways of thinking, but if you are in tune with them then you can make them work for you.

So for example, with Mercury retrograde it is about reflecting back on a project that you did not complete, and moving forward on it. During Mercury retrograde, mishaps can happen such as more traffic, communication problems such as arguments, printer problems, cell phones calls dropped, computer problems...just to name a few. If you are a person that doesn't deal well with these things, or if you don't understand the point of mercury retrograde then this is going to be a frustrating time for you. So you are going to have to learn how to cope.

For example, just anticipate more traffic, and leave enough time to plan for accidents, and things of that nature. Leave earlier. Printer problems? Well give yourself enough time to print out something that is important rather than wait until the last minute. Need to sign a contract? Well spend some extra time to think about thoroughly about this contact. You don't have to wait until the retrograde is over. This can be a good time to do break up or separation work...make someone confused, and such.

Saturn retrograde should be about again reflection, and assessment as well. Since saturn is about responsibilities, organization, limitations, obstacles, and so on. I mean this is a time for us to think about our current relationships with others, and responsibilities. This would be a time to restructure our responsibilities, and the time we think about it.

For example, in the news right now...Egypt is going through a revolution. They are thinking about how to restructure their government.

So magically, with break up work you can proceed with it. I would combine this with candles to get a person to start thinking about the nature of their relationship, and understanding that they need to move forward on some PAST problems that have been plaguing this relationship. So you may want to utilize king solomon wisdom and clarity products to get them to understand and SEE that this is not the right relationship for them.

And for the petitioner, I would take this as a time to reflect on your abilities, and limitations as a rootworker. I would take this as a time to become more wise in your own abilities, and perhaps taking the Hoodoo course, or having someone teach you through consultations. You may want to look into psychic vision, and master key to help with your abilities. You should take this as a time to assess and reorganize how you are going about break up work or any work you are doing. Restrategize!

So remember take this as a time to reflect, and assess on yourself, and past situations.

In addition, retrogrades does not mean that the things are not going to work, you just have to go about things in another way perhaps. And if you dont normally worry about the planets, or worry about them, then I wouldnt put too much emphasize on this. Retrogrades, and planetary things are happening ALL the time. Rootworkers are not going to stop what they are doing.

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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by maduro01 » Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:54 am

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Well that answer my question about the upcoming lunar eclipse.
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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:59 am

There are many ways to time spells, some of them rhythmic and patterned. Not all of them relate directly to natural events.

For instance "nine at morning and nine at night every day for none days" is a formula for timing that i heard often when i was young. This is clock time, and is given without reference to the time of sunrise or sunset.

See the other threads in this forum for information about timing by Planets / Weekdays and timing by time of day / clock time.

See also these Lucky Mojo Forum threads and "Hoodoo in Theory and Practice" web pages --

Spell-timing: Planetary Influences, Days of the Week:
http://luckymojo.com/planetary.html
spell-timing-planetary-influences-days- ... t1429.html

Spell-timing: Moon Phases:
http://luckymojo.com/moonphases.html
spell-timing-moon-phases-t442.html

Spell-timing: Zodiac Signs:
http://luckymojo.com/zodiacal.html

Spell-timing: Time of Day or Night, Clock TIme
spell-timing-time-of-day-or-night,-cloc ... 11842.html

As for retrogrades, the first thing you have to know is that the Sun and Moon are never (can never go) retrograde. Next, we will look at the planets.

Mercury, the fastest planet, goes retrograde quite often. Mercury''s influence is on communications, hence Mercury retrograde has a negative influence on computers, mail delivery, telephones, radios, tv, and printed media.

Venus goes retrograde too -- and since Venus rules love, it would follow that during times of Venus retrograde, we would see a negative influence on romance and love.

But would love spells be badly impacted, slowed, or impeded during a time of Mercury retrograde? No, not unless the spell involved communication. That is, the communication aspects of the work might falter (phone service flaky, computer on the fritz) but the romantic candlelight rose petal love-fest would be perfectly safe during Mercury retrograde. In fact, with all the computers in the shop getting repairs, it might be a great time to snuggle up and kiss.
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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by kecola » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:39 pm

Is it a bad idea to perform a bottle spell or any kind of spell work during a Mercury Retrograde? It's said that anything started during this phase, including post and shadow periods, will go awry and NOT be successful :( I was wondering if this pertains to spell work as well...

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Unread post by starsinthesky7 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:30 pm

This is not true, and I highly advise for you to read about retrogrades on the forum.

It is impossible to stop everything you are doing during Mercury retrograde. It is about planning ahead, and going back and finishing projects that one has not completed. Spell work wise if you have started on a project on a target then you are fine. Yes you should be more conscious of things if you are trying to reconcile with someone or make things peaceful. You should be more conscious of your words, and know that verbal communications can be taken out of context during a time of Mercury retrograde. But that does not mean your work is not going to work during this time.

Now you simply stated you are doing a bottle spell. We do not know what kind of bottle spell.

If it is a break up bottle spell, then miscommunication, and arguments during this time would be perfect for this work.

If you are doing reconciliation work, and trying to get someone to communicate with you...its not that you can't do the reconciliation work but perhaps you need to hit it from another aspect. You could affect their emotions, and perhaps do a sweet jar or something else to affect their emotions

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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by kecola » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:48 pm

Thanks so much for your reply and positive mindset. I'm actually going to do a love me bottle spell and a simple candle spell. I already know this guy is extremely attracted to me but he has no idea I feel the same so I'll be ok no matter how my spells go. I just wanted to make sure that nothing would affect it negatively. Thanks so much once again!! It would've definitely have sucked to have to wait out the MR when I'm already so anxious to get started.

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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by prayer10 » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:28 am

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I have been advised through my AIRR reader, to begin a Honey Jar this Friday. I am under the assumption, after reading that link and this thread, that I will be fine with this matter. Mercury being retrograde will not affect this.

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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by yoragoddess » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:52 pm

On that note,I've been taught that doing banishing,uncrossing or breakup work with Saturn retrograde is actually more powerful because it goes back to the roots of the problem and totally gets it where it begins. Any opinions?
Also since Jupiter is about to go retrograde would you do a jupiter spell or do it on a sun hour and day instead,so it will not be affected by the comings and goings of Jupiter?

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Unread post by starsinthesky7 » Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:08 pm

It would depend on the situation. Just because Saturn is in retrograde does not mean that you cannot do uncrossing work or break up work. I personally do my break up work on Tuesday, Wednesday, and/or Saturday.

So for Saturn retrograde it may be about you having to revisit matters that are under the influence of the break up work. So if you have been doing break up work on someone, and you have not been working on it for quite sometime then it is okay to go back and work on it. You should RECONSIDER, and REASSESS.

On the other hand, if you have been working on break up work, and its not working then you may want to revisit and reassess your plan.

In terms of banishing, you may want to visit what has been holding you back in the past and get rid of it.

Saturn has to deal with limitations, and obstacles,but during this time the limitations may be alleviated;however, we may become doubtful of opportunities and be our on biggest obstacle when there isn't an obstacle present. It is about revisiting past obstacles, and taking steps to work through them. But its also about awareness about these things. Its not that you cannot work through the things that Saturn rules, you are just going to have to work through them, and accept that you may have to work around these issues.

Now jupiter retrograde has to deal with feeling a lack of abundance, power, and wealth. It is not that you will become broke or anything, but you may FEEL a lack of abundance and hard to gain power at this time. It would be wise during this time to look at past issues or projects concerning these matters. During this time you would not want to necessarily start a new business to gain money, or take a new job as a supervisor or a gain for power. But if you do you are going to want to plan for any mishaps and anticipate that people are going to be difficult under your power.


Retrogrades are about awareness and planning ahead for such matters. You must anticipate that things are going to happen during these matters.
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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by Priestess Divine » Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:42 am

Stars!! Great post! I was just wondering all of these things. Thanks for answering my questions without me even posting them! LOL :D
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Unread post by Dr Johannes » Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:15 am

If you have not got the experience of a few hundered spells behind you there is definetly no need, increased power or hinderances needed to overcome in applying or not applying astrological timings. This talk about retrogrades is a good way of weakening oneself and increase the power of trouble. If you can not overcome these minor influences you are not gifted for the work or there are other things needed to be adressed inside you before you ever need to bother with astological forces.
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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by only1karen » Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:48 pm

Okay, I'm new to this type of forum, so please excuse any blunders?

I am however fairly experienced with magical workings and such, but after reading A LOT of posts on this topic, I am now actually second guessing a recent binding rite I did...

I did a very strong binding on, wait for it.... On December 10th during the full moon while mercury was in retrograde.

I made sure to perform my normal protection etc, beforehand, but also noticed that it appeared to not have ANY effect on the intended at all?

Conversely I also noticed that during the very next week I had a ton of chaos, both monetary & medical. So I of course did a thorough house floor wash, called on my Amparo to assist me, AND started a reversal candle. Since i found out that the situation/person I bound, was still going along strong with her agenda to draw my man away, I've been plagued with severe depression along with a big dose of paranoia, & anxiety. I do believe allot of it also has to do with the holidays, or at least the season is not helping. :-(

I'm completely open to any ideas, advice or ways to determine if in fact my binding brought this on to myself?

I take full responsibilty if I inadvertently brought this on myself, but would also REALLY APPRECIATE any advice on how to clean this mess up if in fact I created it?

Thank you for taking the time to read my predicament & possibly have advice?

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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:00 am

Here are the relevant Lucky Mojo web pages and Lucky Mojo Forum thread pages for spell timing according to a number of different systems of calculation:

Spell-timing: Planetary Spiritual Supplies and Days of the Week:
http://luckymojo.com/planetary.html

Spell-timing: Planetary Influences, Days of the Week:
spell-timing-planetary-influences-days- ... t1429.html

Spell-timing: Zodiacal Spiritual Supplies and Zodiac Signs :
http://luckymojo.com/zodiacal.html

Spell-timing: Moon Phases and Handy Moon Phase Caluculator
http://luckymojo.com/moonphases.html

Spell Timing: Moon Phases, Moon Signs, Moon Void of Course
spell-timing-moon-phases-t442.html

Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades
spell-timing-eclipses-and-retrogrades-t2025.html

Spell-timing: Time of Day or Night, Clock TIme
spell-timing-time-of-day-or-night,-cloc ... 11842.html

Spell Timing: Dates of Month / Numerically Interesting Dates
spell-timing-dates-of-month-numerically ... t8110.html
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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by only1karen » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:17 pm

Can anyone help me find the replies to a question I posted back in December?

I've received a couple of emails stating that there were replies to my posts, but I'll be damned if I can find them?

I've clicked on the link in the email and it only takes me to the forum I posted in (which appears to only have 2 pages)

I've clicked on "view my posts" and it only takes me to my post, but there are no replies to it other than something from Cathrine showing other links that I have searched & found no replies to my question...

I never felt so confused and ignorant of the ways a forum works... lol

I know this is a huge and wonderful community that I've learned so much from by just reading! :-)

I just wish to find the replies/answers/suggestions to my post.

I've read the FAQ and technical help sections to no avail. Can ANYONE help/teach me how to navigate this infinite library of knowledge?

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:57 pm

Hello, only1karen --

It actually does not look like anyone replied to your questions posted in December, but i will do so now.

The binding spell you did when Mercury was in retrograde probably just failed. You said it did "not have ANY effect on the intended at all" This is not uncommon, and it is, in fact, why many people advise not to attempt spells when Mercury is retrograde.

Then you had "a ton of chaos, both monetary & medical." Well, that is common for times of Mercury retrograde, too. Also computers and cars breaking and checks getting lost in the mail. So this need not have had any connection to the failed spell. You just go side-swiped by Mercury retrograde.

Then you say you "did a thorough house floor wash [...] AND started a reversal candle." Well, the house wash is good, but doing a Reversing spell during a time of Mercury retrograde is ill-advised. The whole problem is that Mercury is apparently reversed. You want to STRENGTHEN Mercury, not further F-it-up.

Then you say, "I've been plagued with severe depression along with a big dose of paranoia, & anxiety. " That is not the result of the failed spell. That's your own stuff. Do spells for cleansing and start again when Mercury is direct.

Finally, you say that you want "to determine if in fact my binding brought this on to myself" That's just paranoid. Drop it.

[Edit: Thanks, Devi; i edited the other stuff out and just stuck with the topic at hand. --cat]
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Unread post by only1karen » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:39 pm

LOL thanks Catherine... I feel like I should call you Ms. Yronwode or Mistress Catherine?? I'm honored that you have taken the time to not only help me with my original plea, but also assuage my fear of being totally internet forum illiterate! :-)

After reading your reply, Allot makes more sense now, not only did the binding I did fail etc... Everything else I posted actually happened after Mercury had gone direct, hence my impression that I'd brought it all upon myself... Looks like I just got a super duper dose of Mercury retro whiplash! lol

Dang, I really hate that the binding spell was a waste, I really went all out & used my special Dia De Los Muertos skull tequila bottle a friend gave me! Was saving it for just the perfect need. Which this was & in fact still is...

Any suggestions? I mean for doing the binding again or another path to the same end?

Thanks again, I really appreciate this cool community you've created!

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Unread post by newbie2012 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:41 am

Hi,

I know Mercury Retrograde starts today 1/23/2012 and last till April. Just wondering if I should put Mercury Retrograde oil from any store brand on my Money Drawing candles? So far, the effects have already hit me 2 times this weekend.

I am psychically open and my protection candles has alot of black streaks on the glass. I have been burning a protection candle along with my Money Drawing, Uncrossing, Road Opener and Fast Luck candles for the last 2 batches and seeing black streaks on my Money Candle and Protection candles are disturbing. I know my present apartment is not safe to live in since life-sucking lower entities visit me at night and attach to me. I know this when I dream and when I go to work and I have this feeling that something is sucking my life-force. At the moment, I am trying to find a cheaper studio or one bedroom apartment near nature like park or mountains where there are grounded positive safe energies for $500/month that includes utilities with 24/7 security. I know this is a long shot, but I really want my peace and serenity and budget so I can start paying off my massive student loan debts especially Sally Mae who has doubled my debts in 4 years. I only borrowed $90,000 but since I have no co-signer and unable to pay for the last 4 years, they said I now own $160,000 and that is just Sallie Mae.

My shaman said my abusive parents from NYC have been sending me ALOT of negative energies with incense because I left the matrix of their abusiveness and for the fact that my uneducated parents don't look at themselves in the mirror. I was gonna do a reversal candle to send them all their negative energies of the last couple of years back to them for holding me back for so many years and not leaving me alone, but I read doing Reversal when Mercury Retrograde or cursing in general is consider a No No.

My income is unsteady and have been depending on Money Drawing magic to draw in more jobs for awhile. I did Uncrossing candles on myself in December 2011 and again there are alot of black streaks. It is obstacles and more obstacles kept piling up.

How do I go about doing Money Drawing magic without interference of psychic attacks, metaphysical or spiritual attacks ESPECIALLY WHEN MERCURY RETROGRADE?

Is there such things as a Perfect Apartment hunting spell or should I hire a professional practitioner to perform it. My time is really short, I have till March 1, 2012 to move out.
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Unread post by Jibrael » Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:03 am

My understanding of Hoodoo is that it doesn't really worry about things like a Mercury Retrograde, or astrological timing (which is Western/European, and Hoodoo has its roots in African magic). So I don't think there would be a specific Hoodoo/Conjure answer to your question. But I have a personal recommendation.

According to the Vedic interpretation of astrology, retrogrades are actually the energy of the planet intensified to the point of being overwhelming. So, following that system, Jupiter energy is what you need to ramp up (as its sort of the "opposite" of Mercury), in order to balance out the Mercury energy. Lucky Mojo does have products tied into planetary energies, so I'd recommend using Jupiter oils or powders to counterbalance the Mercury Retrograde. If you're in to Deity work, Ganesha is a good call as well, as He is associated with Jupiter in some Vedic astrology, and is the remover of obstacles and granter of good fortune.

I have personally had good success using Jupiter energies and Ganesha to work against the harmful effects of Mercury Retrogrades.

I'll let some of the more experiences conjure people on here talk to some of the other things you mentioned.
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Unread post by pma » Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:35 am

Actually, Mars Retrograde starts today and lasts until April.

Mercury Retrograde occurs three times a year and lasts approximately 3 weeks each time. Mercury Retrograde occurs on March 12th this year for the first time.
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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:47 am

newbie2012, please read this thread for more information about casting spells during times of retrograde.

Please also understand that your other issues (abusive parents, paying off student loan debts) belong in other areas of the forum. There are so many posts here every day that we do not allow people to create bundled or thrown-together or "kitchen sink" requests for assistance with a wide variety of issues. Rather, we insist that questions about magical spells relating to various life conditions be addressed in one of the many condition sub-forums and that questions about each Lucky Mojo product or class of products be addressed in one of the many product sub-forums. Thanks for understanding.

Jibrael, thank you for trying to help newbie2012 -- but you have been misinformed.

You wrote, "My understanding of Hoodoo is that it doesn't really worry about things like a Mercury Retrograde, or astrological timing (which is Western/European, and Hoodoo has its roots in African magic). "

I wish to correct your misconceptions.

1) In all human cultures since prehistoric times, people have observed, marked, and predicted the movements of the Sun, Moon, and planets with varying degrees of interest and varying degrees of astronomical accuracy -- and have applied symbolic or astrological meanings to the aspects, angles, eclipses, retrograde movements, and other observable phenomena of the heavens.

2) Hoodoo is the folk magic of the African American community nationwide (not of Africans). It shares elements with African folk-magic, European folk-magic, Jewish folk-magic, and Native American folk-magic of the South East.

3) Because hoodoo contains evidence of a great deal of cultural sharing (North American herb lore from Native Americans, the use of the Biblical Psalms in magic from the Jews, First-Footing traditions from Scotland, tea-leaf reading from England, fava beans for luck from Sicily, etc.), it is only natural to assume that it also incorporates a certain amount of common and widely distributed European and Arabic astronomical and astrological knowledge.

4) To assert that African Americans -- while retaining African folk-magic knowledge and also incorporating diverse elements from other cultures -- could not, would not, or did not observe and record astronomical phenomena and/or apply symbolic or astrological symbolism to astronomical movements is unsupportable, because historical evidence in print in fact demonstrates that African American practitioners of hoodoo were reading and professionally casting horoscopes and having their horoscopes cast for them from a time period dating to shortly after the Emancipation and the end of the Civil War.

5) If you wish to research this further, i suggest that you look into two names of African American professional root doctors from the era before World War Two who used modern astrology, sold their spiritual supply products to African American mail-order clients and customers nationwide, and left a "paper trail" of their astrological interests. They were Dr. E. P. Read of Philadelphia and Edward Lowe of Chicago. I have written about both in this forum. I have supplied evidence of their interest in astrology repeatedly at my workshops on Astrology for Rootworkers. A third African American rootworker, D. Alexander of Brooklyn, New York, was arrested in 1925 for selling Goofer Dust which, as he noted in his sales flyer, was made during the "New Moon" or the dark of the Moon, but whether he was an astrologer or was simply working according to visible lunar phenomena is not known. You can read about him here, at my Southern Spirits site:
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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by candlemagician » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:47 am

Thank You Ms. Cat for making this clear, I enjoy learning from these "corrections", since I was of the wrong understanding here as well. We are so lucky to have a "teacher" like you, with a wealth of understanding and knowledge.

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Unread post by pma » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:16 am

I am new to Hoodoo but have been mindful of astrological transits and energies for over 10 years. As such, I have timed the lighting of candles based on astrological energies (transits, planetary hours, planetary days) and the flame of the candle and residue left behind have been pretty responsive.

For example, due to planetary transits I wanted to exploit on a Friday (a day one would not traditionally light a candle on a vinegar jar), I have lit a black candle on Friday, the day of Venus, during the hour of Saturn in order to capitalize on the negative and restrictive energy Saturn can have on Venus. I put that intention into my prayer and as I have deep beliefs regarding astrology, I believe it served to strengthen my work.

Some people choose to work with the hands of the clock. I choose to work with astrological energies since those are my tendencies.

With all of that said, I am preparing to investigate the Mars Retrograde period with an AIRR reader to guide the timing of future workings. There are several AIRR readers who are very knowledgable about Astrology - Deacon Millett and catherine yronwode come directly to mind.
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Unread post by Jibrael » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:26 pm

Thank you for giving me the proper information. That was very informative, so I'm going to go back and read this thread to make sure I'm more accurate in the future. I'm trying to make sure as I do my personal pagan traditions that I keep accurate about what Hoodoo is and isn't, and it pleases me to know I was wrong on this point, as Moon phases and other such starry happennings are important in other work I do.
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Unread post by Jinglepop » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:19 pm

Dear Fellow Hoodoo doers,

On June 5-6 there will be a rare transit of Venus, when Venus appears as a dot moving across the sun. Next transit will happen in like 100 years.

I'm asking those of you who know astrology, is it a good time or bad time to do love, reconciliation, art, music, money spells?

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:27 pm

For those unfamiliar with the term, the transit being referenced here is when Venus, as seen from Earth, appears to move across the face of the Sun. Actually transits of Venus are not that rare. They happen about every 5 or 6 years. According to Wikipedia, "The next transit of Venus will occur on June 5–6 in 2012, succeeding the previous transit on June 8, 2004. After 2012, the next transits of Venus will be in December 2117 and December 2125."

This transit is RETROGRADE -- that is, as seen from Earth, Venus appears to be moving backwards. Most astrologers consider retrograde motion to be expressive of the negative traits of a planet; it would not be a good time to start a love spell, despite the transit.
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Unread post by Papa Newt » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:42 pm

This is good to know! I learned something new tonight. :)
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Unread post by Doctor Hob » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:53 pm

Papa_Newt wrote:This is good to know! I learned something new tonight. :)
Me too: how little I know about astrology :P Back to the books...
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Re: Spell Timing: Eclipses and Retrogrades

Unread post by Rabbit Mountain » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:32 pm

Astrology's been my hobby for a little over a decade. Venus retrograde would be a good transit for separation or break-up spells, and jinxing others with regard to money or love or sex. Since Venus is retrograding across the Sun as seen from Earth, such work might be especially potent if your target is a man or a Leo, since the Sun is a masculine energy and rules Leo.

Actually now that I think about it, this would be a perfect transit for a break-up & reconcile — to break up your partner from his/her lover, then draw him/her back. From May 15 to June 27, break-up work while Venus is actually retrograde; then from June 27 onward, when Venus turns direct again, reconciliation work.

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Unread post by jwmcclin » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:39 pm

Nice interpretation Rabbit Mountain. Astrology has always been a serious interest of mine, I am waiting for cat to launch a course.
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Unread post by Kittyluver » Tue May 01, 2012 2:10 pm

How very cool!!! :D

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Unread post by Papa Newt » Tue May 01, 2012 2:37 pm

Very interesting interpretation Paula. Thanks for sharing your .02¢ with us! :D
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Unread post by Jinglepop » Tue May 01, 2012 8:07 pm

Very good idea over there Rabbit Mountain. Freaking brilliant. *gets ideas*

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Unread post by pma » Wed May 02, 2012 9:57 am

From May 15th to May 20th, the moon just happens to be waning, as well. There's a nice little window for a 5 day spell during the waning moon with Venus retrograde.
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Unread post by fire_and_ice » Tue May 08, 2012 9:58 am

Greetings,

After reading the posts on this thread, I conclude the following:

a.) Never start or continue spellwork during a solar or lunar eclipse. Do not do any spellwork during the day of an eclipse.

b.) If, when in the midst of setting lights in runs/an ongoing candle spell, and/or a spell being done over a certain number of days, skip the spellwork for that day of the eclipse, and resume the work the following day. Skipping the one day of spellwork should not negatively affect the successful outcome of the spellwork. The practitioners at Missionary Independent Spiritual Church follow this procedure because they are traditional Rootworkers.

Is this correct? Kindly correct me if I’m wrong.

Thanks in advance.

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Unread post by Damiana » Mon May 14, 2012 1:03 pm

Perhaps spells that word "Reconnect with me" or "Return to me" might be better than, say, a "Come to Me" for a new lover.

Rethink
Reconsider..
Reconnect

In the key of Venus!

Backwards motion.

Ect...

If reconciliation is the issue it's probably better than trying to draw a brand new lover.

But if you want to stay away from anything love related out of fear that Venus might turn it all on its head, then I'd say work with Lunar and Mercurial influences with a soothing/healing/communicative element. Balm of Gilead, Allspice, Star Anise/Tobacco....

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Unread post by onedime1time » Tue May 15, 2012 3:25 pm

I have some questions to ask. Which I just noticed I started on May 14th which I think might be the day before Venus went retrograde. I started on Breakup spells a love spell for RETURNING a lover to come back to me far as burning vigils glass candles and incense. Will Venus retrograding affect my love spell in a way if so how?

Why isnt it good to do love spells when Venus is retrograding? Will it backfire, slow down the spell or not work well?

Do that means while the love candles is burning that I should stop praying over them and the incense?

Also, IF its ok to still pray over the candles and incense ... is it ok to to take the same flame of the BURNING candles of the love spells before it burns out to transfer the flame on the new love CANDLES?

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Unread post by jazzie » Tue May 22, 2012 6:17 am

im curious as to the previous post too.

there are two spells i want to do.
one is a come to me,
and another one is to bring someone to you, for this one it is recommended to use mercury energy, not venus.

there is a venus retrograde going on right now. it will last until june 27.
then, mercury retrograde starts on july 15 to august 8. this is a waxing moon phase.

if i wait until after venus goes direct, mercury will be retrograde.
if i do the spells now, venus will be retrograde.

these spells have to do with communication, traveling and distance,
not so much feelings. however, come to me seems to be a default venus-oriented spell even
though im doing it to bring someone to me in terms of travel, distance not so much feelings.

i dont know what to do with these retrogrades going on. and i dont want to wait until the end
of august to do these spells.

i find this tricky because venus and mercury seem to be interrelated for this type of work.

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Unread post by Glaciers » Tue May 22, 2012 7:02 am

I have another question regarding these retrogrades.

Would love uncrossing be effective during these retrogrades? i was thinking of burning a series of uncrossing candles to uncross certain conditions.

In addition i was thinking of banishing certain habits/fears and also doing some reversing candles.

I would appreciate any advice as i will be placing an order this week.

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Unread post by Amwitch05 » Thu May 24, 2012 2:13 pm

I have a question, I plan to strengthen my binding love honey jar spell, on friday since its in waxing moon to return my ex back and sweeten his heart to me again, my spell is a little different than a regular honey jar spell. Is it a good time to do the spell this friday or next friday while the moon is still in waxing and going close to full moon? Or should I wait for another retrograde, im new to retrogrades and magick, and need futher explaination towards the subject. Also what day is a good day to do obstacle removing spell and should I do one on a waning moon or waxing? Also I plan to leave the wrong man im not ment to be with is it a good time to do a break up spell?

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Unread post by fire_and_ice » Mon May 28, 2012 7:25 am

Unfortunately, no one replied to my post. Let me state my concerns again (as briefly as I can).

On this thread, much has been emphasized about never STARTING a spell during a solar or lunar eclipse, but no information that I can see is given about what someone should do about CONTINUING an ongoing (for several days, or weeks) spell that someone is already in the midst of doing.

If one should indeed skip the ongoing spellwork for the one day of the eclipse, no information has been given as to whether that interruption of the ongoing spellwork would negatively affect the successful outcome of the spell.

In my previous post, I mentioned the practitioners at Missionary Independent Spiritual Church (MISC) as an example of what Hoodoo practitioners should, in general, do when facing the situation of an eclipse during an ongoing spell, (in other words, if the MISC practitioners do such-and-such, then others should try to follow that example because the practitioners at MISC are knowledgeable professionals who know what they're doing).

If knowing whether or not to do (or CONTINUE doing) a spell during an eclipse is as important as the posts on this thread make it out to be, then one would think that there would be some clarification about the situation of CONTINUING an ongoing spell, and whether skipping the spellwork for the one day of the eclipse (and thereby interrupting the ongoing spellwork) would negatively affect the successful outcome of the spell.

I do hope to eventually receive a reply about this issue.

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Unread post by queen2be » Mon May 28, 2012 7:19 pm

But continuing work that was begun before the retrograde is fine during this time, right? :?

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Unread post by queen2be » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:00 am

I read this morning that there will be a number of disturbing shifts in Mercury, Uranus, etc during July that could lead to conflicts on a number of fronts. I am one sensitive Sagittarian I've found. The last month or so has been a ride!

Anyone with recommendations on how to maintain work and keep life changes on track during those times? I was thinking vigil candles at MISC as a start.

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Unread post by Turnsteel » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:40 am

queen2be

I can't address working with Uranus and the other non-traditional planets as they don't factor into my beliefs. I do have a couple spells for dealing with retrogrades and the like. Tho you should be aware that retrogrades are hardly the most horrid thing the heavenly body's can do, they just get a lot of press in modern astrology. Anyways I'll use Mercury Retrograde as an example.

You will need:

One 9 inch jumbo candle of the color appropriate to the planet (for Mercury, orange).
One bottle of oil made for the planet (for Mercury, that would be Mercury Oil).
Incense of the planet (for Mercury, that would be Mercury Incense Powders).
Paper.
Ink or ink-pen the same color as the candle (for Mercury, orange).

On the day and hour of the planet light the incense. Take the candle and carve the sign of the planet into the wax and a phrase like "Bless me with your gifts of lord Mercury and withhold from me all infirmities." That's just an example, any heartfelt request to be protected from the negative aspect or retrograde will work.

Next take the paper and pen and draw the seal of the planet on it, the seals are a lot more complicated then the usual symbol of the planet but are very powerful. You may want to draw the seal ahead of time so you can practice and have a nice one to use for the spell. Dress the paper with the oil and pass it through the incense smoke while praying for what you want.

Place the paper under the candle holder and light the candle. Spend a little time in prayer for what you want. You can either let the candle burn down in one go or pinch it out and relight it the next Wednesday at Mercury hour.

When the candle is burnt out dispose of it and the incense ashes in a crossroads. You can dispose of the paper then as well or carry it as a Mercurial talisman.

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Unread post by SeleneAnna » Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:19 am

That is helpful to me! Thank you so much for posting it!

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:58 am

fire_and_ice, You wrote:
On this thread, much has been emphasized about never STARTING a spell during a solar or lunar eclipse, but no information that I can see is given about what someone should do about CONTINUING an ongoing (for several days, or weeks) spell that someone is already in the midst of doing.
You then went on to posit a number of questions based around the premise, "If one should indeed skip the ongoing spellwork for the one day of the eclipse."

But nobody ever said that. Nobody i know ever skips a day of already-started work on the day of an Eclipse. I have never heard of such a thing, and can only shrug my shoulders at the idea that this has been inserted into some very traditional ways of working.

There is a huge difference between NOT STARTING something and SKIPPING A DAY.

Like, for instance, let's say that your custom is never to buy a kitten on a Sunday because in your church, on a Sunday, it is not good to buy and sell or engage in commerce. (This is not a made-up example, by the way -- there are a number of Christian churches that hold this belief.)

So you don't START kitten-ownership until the next day, Monday.

After you get the kitten home, you feed it every day. This is your continuous work with and for the kitten.

At the end of the week, Sunday comes around.

Do you SKIP feeding the kitten because it is Sunday? NO, you do not! The little kitten would cry! You continue to FEED the kitten every day, because the prohibition was only against BUYING a kitten, and thus STARTING kitten-ownership, on a Sunday.

That's how it is with eclipses, in the tradition that i was personally taught. You do not START new work on the day of a solar or lunar eclipse, but you never SKIP a day on a spell once you have started it, even if there is an eclipse.

I hope this little mental image of the hungry kitten helps you understand the difference between STARTING something and KEEPING IT GOING.

Good luck to you.
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Unread post by fire_and_ice » Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:09 pm

Thank you to catherine yronwode for taking time out from what appears to be a busy schedule in order to reply to my post. Regarding the statement “There is a huge difference between NOT STARTING something and SKIPPING A DAY”, all I can say is that the distinction wasn’t immediately obvious to a newcomer to Hoodoo/Conjure like me. Thank you for clearing up the confusion.

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:39 pm

Glad i was able to help.
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Unread post by prvteye123 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:10 am

I read online about mercury on retrograde going on these days for 2013 so I thought I would check on this forum and went to this link but could not find the answer to my question. What if you start a work before the MR and then it happens? Does the work slow down and gain momentum once the MR is over?
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Unread post by Joseph Magnuson » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:36 am

prvteye123: Some workers will work through Mercury Retrograde and some will halt all work, it is a matter of personal preference. Some get hit hard by it and some don't give it any credence at all. If it is a already on-going work you may need to just work right through the retrograde...I'd rather take that option then stop the work cold.
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Unread post by Mama Micki » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:10 pm

If Gemini and/or Virgo (these signs are ruled by Mercury) are prominent in one's chart, then the effect of Mercury Retrograde may be felt more strongly.
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Unread post by Akitagirl » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:19 pm

A lot of my magickal community moans and groans when mercury retrograde comes around. All astrology is really about going with the flow, instead of against it. We constantly talk and talk and talk, and mercury retrograde is an invitation to be quiet and just listen. It's a great time for introspection and retrospection. Because I know that communication is often difficult during this time, I slow down, I chose my words very carefully and I am conscious about what I say. I did do some work to increase communication with myself and a guy I just met. I would like him to take me out, so I made the work very personal, very heart to heart and an open invitation. I think the key is not to fight it, learn to appreciate its gift by exploring the opportunities less verbal/mental communication gives us.

The need to do work comes up regardless of the stars, my advice is to be aware of what the heavens are doing, and formulate you spell in a manner that best utilizes the flow of the energy at hand. Above all, listen to your intuition. Your gut feeling will never steer you wrong.

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Unread post by brthrchristopher » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:00 pm

prvteye123

Unless the work relates to Mercury specifically (literature, short trips, communication and communications technology) then you might want to hold off.

As you are doing love work, you should be find. As another poster indicated, you might want to take time to choose your words with your target a little more careful. Slow down, think about what you are saying, and don't take it personal if someone asks for clarification, or needs something repeated or confirmed.

I know of some people who take a red candle and dress it with mercury oil and burn it during a retrograde. Their theory is that the candle is to give energy to mercury power in their lives, so that the retrograde is stopped and turned around.

My own practice for dealing with mercury retrogrades is known as propitiation. Thinking of Mercury as a spirit, you make an offering to mercury to appease him so his harmful aspects are lessened or decreased. I came across this idea in Vedic astrology. You can apply it to other planets as well, as all planets (but not luminaries like the Sun and Moon) go retrograde. Although, personally, I do no think retrogrades are as risky an astrological time as other periods, like when a planet is in detriment or fall in a particular sign.

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Unread post by redlocs » Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:48 am

Happy New year everyone! since venus is in retrograde. what can be done to survive it? I've read that love spells will not be safe to do until March 4. Do anyone have any info or insight about this? I'm just curious. thanks:-)

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