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[yoopylucks]

hello all,

who (which spirits or deities) would like to be saluted with cigars?

ive kind of gone through most of these threads, did a search and found nothing on cigars . they are very good.

i would like some more insight on how to use cigar in smoking/cleansing even as far as tabaco smoking/cleansing the body or aura.

[Turnsteel]

Never heard of cigars being used in hoodoo.

[yoopylucks]

ok ive definately heard of tobacco or cigars used in cleansing.

there was a definate excerpt on that in a book which was named "hoodoo mysteries." i believe oh the authors name is ray t marlborough.

I ask because he wasnt that clear in the different ways that they could be used, only having a small paragraph or so and just wanted more knowledge.

[Literarylioness]

Tobacco is used in Hoodoo, but not necessarily cigars.

Cigars are far more common in Afro-Caribbean traditions.

Snuff tobacco can be used for control and cleaning purposes.

Mary

[cabriellenil]

I was once taught to smoke my money mojo in cigar smoke.

As for tobacco, you can fumigate yourself with it. Supposed to be good for physical protection and for freeing yourself from influences sent to you. You need a sincere prayer to go with it, of course.

[catherineyronwode]

The use of Tobacco as a purification herb is found in hoodoo due to the overwhelming influence of the Cherokee, Choctaw, Creek, and other South-East tribes of Native Americans who befriended runaway slaves, married with them, and even kept slaves themselves during the pre-Emancipation era.

Most African American root doctors of the American South and also in the Northern cities used to smoke pipes until the rise of popularity of cigarettes during the 1920s. Now most who smoke use cigarettes, and some use roll-your-own, which is why many mojo bags used to be made in Bull Durham Tobacco sacks. Snuff (not chaw, but powder snuff) is also a popular form of Tobacco for use in mojo hands and sachet powders.

The use of cigars is Afro-Caribbean and probably derives from the cigar industry of Cuba. It has nothing to do with what we teach here, although some people in Florida have picked it up -- but most of those who have done so have also left behind their old Christian religion and adopted an Afro-Caribbean religion (like Santeria, Palo, or Voodoo). As such, they are outliers to this tradition, like former Christians who are now Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, or Wiccans.

The book "Hoodoo Mysteries" is a load of bollocks. The author has read a few books on Afro-Caribbean religio-magical practices and then fabricated the information that this is the same form of practice found among African American folk magicians in the USA. He is not the first to do this, but he ought to have known better, because everyone who has done it in the past has been exposed as a dreadful fraud, and now he is being exposed as one too.

"Don't start me to talkin,
I'll tell everything I know.
I'm gonna break up this signifyin,
Somebody's got to go."

-- Sonny Boy Williamson II (Alex "Rice" Miller)

(Thread moved to the Herbs, Roots, and Minerals section.)

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[yoopylucks]

ok catherine thanks for the insight about that author ray t marlborough but im just curious as why you would want to advertise his work or books on your website if he is indeed a fake or "bollock" that startles me well good by

[catherineyronwode]

I don't dislike Ray Malbrough -- i said that this one particular book of his is a load of bollocks and i said "he ought to have known better." I happen to like, promote, and sell two other books by him, namely "Magical Power of the Saints" and "Charms, Spells, and Formulas."

A good dancer can fall, a good batter can strike out, a good singer can hit a sour note, a good actor can appear in a bomb of a movie, and a good writer can churn out a stinker of a book.

[kevin9]

I've always felt the same way about his first two books....and about the third. But in the second book....rituals with 12 or 13 seven day candles???

[Nathaniel]

Hi all. can anyone tell me if they know of any good books on using Tobacco to cast spells, conjure and divination please???


thanks

[Turnsteel]

LuckyMojo's selection of books is here : http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatbooks.html (Of course since this forum is owned and run by luckymojo you're only going to get recommendations for books they carry)

I suggest you pick up Ms.Cat's book Hoodoo Herb and Root Magic and a few other books on herbal magic. Are you going to find "The Big Book Of Tobacco Magic!" no, no your not. I suggest you sit down with the plant and ask it what it will do for you and how it wants you to use it.

[MysticRootworker]

Speaking of Tobacco-
Can you use a cigarette for tobacco smoke to smoke a candle or something? If not I have a twist of plain tobacco that I could light and use as a smudge I believe.

[Devi Spring]

I wouldn't use a cigarette unless it was a pretty organic one with no chemicals added. There's so much trash in cigarettes that I would NEVER use it as a smudge, or for anything good anyway.

Get a nice cigar if you need something and can't get a real tobacco twist.

[Mama Micki]

LM sells tobacco as an herb. Additive-free tobacco and cigarettes are also available in some areas.

Tobacco is used in Hoodoo for court cases, love-drawing, good luck, drawing trade to a whorehouse , and jinxing, according to HHRM. It would be a good herb to work with if you are Native American, work with Native American spirits, or gamble at a Native American casino.

[MysticRootworker]

Thanks guys. I will use my tobacco twist that I have. It is pure tobacco none of the bad stuff.

[Turnsteel]

I use cigarettes when I need to blow smoke. I use an organic brand of cigs, tho.

[ConjureMan Ali]

Generally you want to work with actual Tobacco, but several rootworkers merely unroll a cigarette or use the cigarette to blow smoke. Getting a cigar is another option.

Of course, LM has black Tabacco they sell that can be used quite well.

[stelselv]

Tobacco is used in Hoodoo for court cases, love-drawing, good luck, drawing trade to a whorehouse , and jinxing, according to HHRM. It would be a good herb to work with if you are Native American, work with Native American spirits, or gamble at a Native American casino

I have never smoked but reading the many posts on tobacco, I started to burn tobacco as incense first, and then smoking tabocco and sage together... i have been having dreams about the people who have attacked me in past.... and i can see how they have stabbed me... and i am also working so hard at get a divorce now, and i know that help is on the way... I get a lot of message from the energies... lost contact by magic, was re-estabillished.

tobacco is great and i would also like to know if there a book about tobacco conjure.... I smoke loose tobacco rolled in a smoking papers....

[ConjureMan Ali]

Tobacco is used for work of spiritual contact and controlling work. You can blow the smoke on the face of a skull candle, a picture, burn some on a name paper, or roll it onto a brown candle while calling out to your target.

There are even some tricks that involve sprinkling Tobacco in your mailbox or on your phone to get your target to contact you.

[sparkel81]

HI! this question is for conjure man,now u say that tobacco can be used to make ur target contact u now how would someone go about doing that trick with tha mailbox and phone?? ps say that u have a cell phone how does that work and one more question would i need to back this trick up with any candle spells to make it more effective?? soo curious about this one.

[eagerbeaver88]

does someone know where i can find more information on tobacco divination & how to use it in spellwork...its hard to find this information anywhere in english..a class or something also would be great..

[Joseph Magnuson]

Try Google, Yahoo, YouTube, Wikipedia, etc, etc...be patient...follow links.

It is all out there, I promise.

[eagerbeaver88]

thanks so much! ill check it out..when i tried googling couldnt find a thing

[Joseph Magnuson]

It is a pretty tough subject to dig up info on...

[eagerbeaver88]

i agree...nothing ive found is really in depth or instructional on the subject

[Devi Spring]

I think ConjureMan knows a great deal about using tobacco for all different purposes - you may want to PM him.

[eagerbeaver88]

thanks Devi!!! will do! i thought i had seen conjure mention it a few times...appreciate it!

[starsinthesky7]

Sparkel81

The trick can be effective on its own. If you want to do some candle work to further work towards your goal...then that is up to you. But the tricks that have been mentioned can stand on their own. As for the mail box, you sprinkle it into your mailbox, and what I would do in the case of a cell phone, I would get some tape and make a petition paper, and roll the tobacco in the name paper/petition then tape it to your phone.

[Joseph Magnuson]

Yay Teamwork!!!

[maverick96]

Conjure Man,
For the trick w/the cell phone, can the tobacco be chewing tobacco or should I buy a cigar & open it up to get it out? Also, I've never heard of this trick before. Would you be so kind as to lay out how this trick is done or provide a link? It would be greatly appreciated I'm home right now & have limited spiritual supplies on hand (alot on order from LM) & this trick sounds like a fairly easy one to do for now. Thanks!!!

[flamethrower]

maverick96

I sound like a broken record , but this is the Lucky Mojo forum...I highly recommend their black tobacco since it is a straight herb and nothing has been added to it, unlike store-bought cigarettes or cigars.

http://www.herb-magic.com/tobacco.html

[maverick96]

flamethrower

Thanks for your suggestion flamethrower & I truly would prefer to use LM's tobacco but I need to know what to use right now, in a pinch. I do recognize that this is a LM forum & I know that there are people who try to take advantage of the fact that this is a free forum & use it to get free advice, even if they're not a LM customer, but that's not the case here. In fact, unless LM doesn't carry it, I get ALL my spiritual supplies from LM.

Would someone please tell me how the trick that conjureman & stars described is done? I do plan to place another order soon & have a red skull candle & quite a few herbs on their way from LM now but I also need the directions for the mailbox/phone trick conjureman & stars were talking about.

Thanks to all

[ConjureMan Ali]

If you are talking about sprinkling the Tobacco on your phone or mailbox it's literally just that. You sprinkle the Tobacco while calling out to that person and telling them to contact you or praying your intent. Some people first burn a brown candle rolled in Tobacco then follow up by sprinkling. There are many many ways of using the Tobacco for spiritual contact and these are just a few of them.

I personally use a cigar to blow smoke on skull candles, but for everything else I use LM's Black Tobacco. I don't know where they get it from or if they grow it themselves, but it is extremely high quality. Just the smoke that it emitts when burning is of high quality. Its strong, pungent, and evocative. Get it from LM, it'll be worth it.

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[Dxyz2010]

is it works on the target if target does not like smoking?
n how to write petition for this tobacco trick? is there any rules for writing petition for this or just sprinkle tobacco on cell phone or photo of that person??
n what abt the flame of cigar to use on photo? while doing that what to say n how to hold photo ,upside down?
n what kind of cigar we can use??

[NotDorianGray]

It's not about whether or not the target likes smoking. It is about the power and property of thew herb, in this case tobacco's quality of aiding in spiritual communication.

There aren't any hard and fast rules about writing a petition. Just do it. You could write ont he back of the photo, on paper to place under a brown candle dressed with tobacco, on paper to tape inside your letterbox/to your phone... Whatever.

Don't put the cigar anywhere near the photo! The idea is to blow the smoke onto the photo. And there's no hard and fast way to do that and nothing in particular you have to say. You can make it as elaborate as a poem with swishy movements of the photo through the smoke, or you can just hold it there and say "CALL ME NOW!" Whatever works for you.

A good rule of thumb is to use the best quality ingedients you can afford. So buy the best cigar you can afford.

[Dxyz2010]

thanks for reply NotDorianGray,

i bought a cigar , dont know which one is best as i dont smoke n i did petition on paper then put some tobacco on it and rolled it and tap behind my cell phone n also i sprinkled some tobacco on cell phone with praying her to call me,

so would that be fine? or do i need to do anything extra?

[Shadow.Mandrake]

Can tobacco be used in a mojo?

I want to make a mojo dedicated to San Simon. Would tabacco be an appropriate choice?

Thanks,
S.M.

[MaryBee]

Hi Shadow:

According to Lucky Mojo's page on San Simon, which is right here: http://www.luckymojo.com/maximon.html, this saint is offered tobacco during his feast days, so that would be an appropriate item to put in a mojo bag dedicated to him. In general Hoodoo, tobacco is used as an offering to the dead and used to control and dominate people.

Good luck,
waterborn

[jwmcclin]

LM sells tobacco is several forms found here http://www.luckymojo.com/products-tobacco.html and here http://www.herb-magic.com/tobacco.html

[Joseph Magnuson]

LM Information Squad strikes again! Thank you for posting those links...

-Joseph

[Shadow.Mandrake]

I figured LM would have tobacco products but I couldn't find them. The oil sounds great to have but since you mention it's for dominating, would it be appropriate to use it to make and dedicate my own oil to him?

When this oil is used for dominating others, would you put it on yourself or on the person you want to dominate. I know some oils, like essence of bend over you can wear it yourself or you can put it on the person. I'd imagine that this one works the same but I rather ask than to end up making a mistake.

Thank you for posting that. I'm already making a list of items I want from LM.

[Turnsteel]

Shadow.Mandrake

You could, I suppose, but luckymojo makes and sells a perfume dedicated to San Simon here: http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatperfumes.html which would be perfect for this.
They also sell a charm vile from Guatemala that is also dedicated to him and would make a very nice altar piece if you are going to work with him. http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatamulets.html#guatemala

[Shadow.Mandrake]

Thank you everyone for your information. Yes, actually I bought the oil a while back and I absolutely love it! I hope to get more because I'll go through this one pretty fast.

As for the vials, they are also a perfect addition to an Hermano Simon altar and thank you for showing me the link you posted HailDiscordia, I thought these weren't sold since I called and I was told that the San Simon Sachet was just an information page. I figured it was the same for these but now that I know that these are available for purchase I'll be placing an order soon for all of these awesome items ^_^.

Blessings and thanks to all who have contributed,
S.M.

[KhonsuMes]

Hi Shadow.Mandrake:
The LM San Simon Esencia perfume/cologne is excellent, I am glad you like it too! I wear it to work a lot.
Seems to help to make a little prayer to him and sniff before those tough customer calls..

He is offered cigarettes and cigars (liquor too) and many Guatemalan San Simon statues and masks are discolored or fire damaged from the lit tobacco placed in their mouths.
So you are on super solid ground to use tobacco in the mojo.

Another traditional offering is black copal, which LM also sells:
http://www.herb-magic.com/copal-negro.html

[Miss_Liz]

I've been reading about blowing tobacco at a picture or skull candle to get someone to hear your message more clearly. I have pipe tobacco and cigarettes, which would be the better one to use, also, should I add it to things like the box his dolly is in/the honey jar/in the herb mix for the candles?

[starsinthesky7]

I use cigars, but if you would like to use pipe tobacco or cigarettes that is up to you. I personally use it like an incense, and use it to blow in the faces of pictures as you stated.
http://www.herb-magic.com/tobacco.html

[catherineyronwode]

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[wlightninglady1]

Hello everyone! Its only fair for all if i let everyone in on a little of the secrets of my ancestors,I have been learnin alot about hoodoo and well I have to say that I am very excited to be here. Well first thing first..... When we ask our "Grandfather" for any request for any situation,we first sage ourselves to rid of negativity, then with the opposite of our writing hand we grab tobacco and hold it while praying, if we do not use our native tounge we apologize first for not speakin our native tounge, then proceed to ask for what we need, be careful though,if it is not a good thing ,you or your family could become very sick if it is negative or selfish. when done praying tell "grandfather" thank you and place the tobacco at the base of a tree on the east side. This is very powerfull so caution is needed.

[wlightninglady1]

I have another one, it is for when there is bad weather or bad weather coming,.....if you put a cigarret with your opposite of your writing hand under a tree during or before bad weather while praying for protection......usually for me it either clears,passes over,or not as severe as was supposed to be at least within an hour, usually the offering for protection will last a few days.

[Turnsteel]

Interesting. The first one actually seems kinda odd for a Native American trick, every Native I know and every piece of scholarly work I have ever seen all point out that from a Native point of view the dead and the ancestors are Taboo, spirits not to be approached or in any way dealt with. This is all assuming that this "Grandfather" is an ancestral spirit, so its unusual and very interesting to see a trick like this presented as Native. Thanks for sharing

[wlightninglady1]

Oh really? thats interesting to me too. I am an Ojiibwe native american from minnesota and our people always talk with spirits not to mention the elusive bigfoot everyone talks about,but only medicine men talk to them of course only they are not a animal or species they are spirit, ever wonder why people can only find a couple of bigfoot prints? To us they are guardians for they have never hurt a native american. Not only do we talk with spirits and ancestors,we put offerings of food out every so often to appease them,but we were taught to never taste the food while cooking or after and there spirit dish is the first one made before everyone else.Also medicine men can talk to any kind of animal they come across. The more experienced of course. Ill let ya know right now native americans will not tell you their secrets,i have only let ya in on 2 of the least we do. maybe i might just share a little more only because i feel maybe people will actually understand our way of life and living. Come to our reservations in minnesota and i guarantee most natives will tell you a story of spirits they once knew or have had contact with.Just about every house in RedLake,MN and Cass Lake,mn has spirits in them and in the woods. Now theres a place paranormal investigators would love. No most natives will not let you know what they know due to criticism and disbelief. But thanks for sharing your opinion I respect that.

[wlightninglady1]

Oh and yes one more thing, If the natives you know think ancestors and spirits are taboo,then why use sage at all? Spirits hate the stink of it and removes them only temporarily from a house.Our ancestors are the ones who come to help when help is needed that is why there is sundances and pow-wows it is not only celebration it is a calling of the ancestors and spirits,when spirits are around the eagles come, ahhh and we have many here.

[Turnsteel]

Fascinating. Perhaps it is regional then, I'm the east coast, different tribes different spirituality I suppose. Again i want to thank you for sharing these wonderful tricks And, if by chance, I came off in any way disrespectful or rude at all,you have my deepest apologize, I'm not great at expressing myself with text and I know that sometimes I come off as a bit rude or blunt, that's not at all my intent

[wlightninglady1]

Turnsteel

No disrespect but i do value opinions.not all natives have the same culture and it is very cool to hear about others . I think we both have a lot to learn huh? LOL.

[Transformer]

I just wanted to say thank you for all this tobacco talk. My ex and I had a huge fight a few weeks ago and haven't spoken since. So I tried a couple of the tricks talked about here and my ex contacted me the very next day! So thank you for all these suggestions.

[ConjureMan Ali]

Tobacco is one of my favorite things when it comes to contact work. Never lets me down. Glad to see it worked for you.

[Transformer]

I've been reading about tobacco on this forum for a long time. I never used it, though. Know what finally pushed me over the edge to use it? You wrote those exact words on your blog - Never lets me down. I decided it wasn't going to let me down either and it was in that mind frame that I approached it. The power of positive thinking.

[Moxy]

Thanks for sharing these wlightninglady1 !

[wlightninglady1]

Okay now when there is spirits in your house,use sage starting from the door clockwise around the house every corner closet behind door any crack of window or door get the smoke in there,pray while doing this till you end up at the door again , if spirits continue to bother or come back place little mint candies on a small plate (open) with a little tobbacco in the 4 corners (top corners) to appease. Works!

[wlightninglady1]

If you accidentally drop a cigarrette on the floor or ground, make sure to pick it up with opposite of writing hand and put it out on east side of tree, if you dont you may have bad luck, spirits like tobbacco and when one drops on the floor or ground they are asking for you to put some out for them, also if drinkin a little hard liquor for celebrations, always put a cap of the liquor outside on the ground,so that your loved ones can get a drink,it also calls them to protect you during this time. make sure it is the first of the liquor put out of the bottle,proceed to give every adult there a sip, even if they dont drink.This will bring all your loved ones in for the celebration.