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King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:48 pm
by mysiclady
Hello, Everyone

I just wanted to know what using the Scofield bible has something to do with hoodoo. I know that quite a few practioners prefer using it for some reason.Does anyone know why or the purpose that some perfer using this bible?

Appreciate your replys. Thanks.

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:11 pm
by catherineyronwode
Most everyone i know uses the King James Bible.

The idea that the Scofield Bible (a reference or study Bible that promotes socially conservative Evangelical viewpoints) is somehow "special" in hoodoo is news to me. Where didja hear this?

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Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:18 am
by nagasiva
Scofield taught a correspondence course in Bible study course, and this course became the basis for his so-called Reference Bible, an annotated study Bible published in 1909. He said that there were to be seven distinct eras between the creation of the Earth and the day of judgment and he explained Bible stories in terms of these eras, which led in part to the popularity of the Scofield Bible among Millennarian Christians in the late 20th century Evangelical churches of the United States. As a political conservative, he also taught that New Testament Christianity is far different than Old Testament Judaism, and, like many ignorant people, he believed that the Jewish religion was a thing of the past, thus seeking to efface it rather than see Christianity co-exist with it.

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:08 pm
by barat
Is it important to use King James Version Bible when ask to pray the psalms in a lucky mojo spell? Or I can use any version? Thank you

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:15 pm
by jwmcclin
You can use any version...

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:26 pm
by barat
Thank you for your response jwmcclin.
Have a good weekend!..

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:59 pm
by cognitivedissonance
KJV is the best translation, just over all. It is the most lyrical and poetic of the lot, the newer translations are good for some things but if you're looking for poetry, the KJV is the one to go with.

The other translations weren't very common until the late 20th century, so for hoodooing purposes, either King James Version (Protestant) or Douay-Rheims (Catholic) is the best two options. The differences between the two are slim when comparing the Old Testaments, it's just in the New Testaments where things get complicated.

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:39 am
by Devi Spring
I would personally definitely disagree with the KJV being the best translation. Many things were altered to fit King James' view on things. If you're looking for accuracy in your translations, then avoid the KJV. But if you're just looking for pretty-sounding language, or you're not really concerned with that kind of thing it's fine.

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:36 am
by Mama Micki
The New Century Version is the easiest to understand; it originally was a children's Bible. The New Jerusalem Bible is an excellent Catholic Bible translated into British English, with the names of God in Hebrew. The New International Version and the Living Bible are also popular.

The Kings James Bible often used because it is in public domain (not copyrighted) and requires no permission to quote, as well as being the Bible that was used in almost every (Protestant) church until fairly recently.

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:34 pm
by MissMichaele
The King James Bible was also designed "to be read in churches," as a glance at the front matter of any copy will show you. This means it was meant to be poetic, grand, and suitable for performance. These same qualities make it most appropriate for magical works.

Still I use the Revised Standard Version -- a very slightly modernized revision of the King James -- because it is a little less tongue-twisty.

Miss Michaele

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:37 pm
by Jibrael
For reading and research, I prefer the New American or, as Miss Michaele said, the New Revised Standard. The latter was made by a joint team of Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox scholars, with Jewish scholars collaborating on the Hebrew Bible. In the two seminaries I am applying to enter, both use the RSV as their standard translation in the classroom.

But when doing a working, I prefer the KJV, if for no other reason than because it's the version my ancestors knew (at least the ones from after 1611), and it's the version that rootdoctors traditionally would have used (because, as was said, it would have been what they had).

The Douay was mentioned above. It's a great Middle English translation (from the same time period as the KJV), but the Psalms are totally numbered different, which makes it tricky for using in a working. I know because I tried :)

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:10 am
by Mama Micki
There is a new Bible translation called the Common English Bible. It is the work of Bible scholars from many denominations, including Reform Judaism and uses contemporary American English language that is clear and easy to understand. I keep a copy of it by my bed. CEB Psalm 23:

The LORD is my shepherd. I lack nothing. He lets me rest in grassy meadows; he leads me to restful waters; he keeps me alive. He guides me in proper paths for the sake of his good name. Even when I walk through the darkest valley, I fear no danger because you are with me. Your rod and your staff -- they protect me. You set a table for me right in front of my enemies. You bathe my head in oil; my cup is so full it spills over! Yes, goodness and faithful love will pursue me all the days of my life, and I will live in the LORD's house as long as I live.

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:09 am
by catherineyronwode
I am very surprised that no one has replied to this question with the obvious response: What Bible do you use in your church? Whatever it is, use that one in your rootwork.

The choice of a Bible is not about rules or what is "best," it is about culture and family traditions -- the family traditions and culture of real, living people. If you are not a member of African American culture, but want to become a part of it, or work within its traditions, don't be asking on the internet -- meet with the culture as best you can, join a church, and read the Bible you are given.

Always remember, we are practicing folkloric magic, not role playing games ("strongest, most powerful") or philology ("most accurate').

I learned on the King James Version in the Black churches i attended and from the preachers and conjure workers and spiritual ladies who taught me, so i stick with that translation of the Bible. It was easy for me, too, as a Jew, to use the King James Bible because until the Jewish Study Bible was published, most Jews used the King James Bible when reading the Tanakh in English, so i already had a copy in my home.

As a matter of personal history, i was taught the complete OPPOSITE of what Devi Spring wrote above. In the mid 20th century, when other editions abounded, i was taught by my Jewish family and by many other Jews that the King James Version was a very accurate translation of the Hebrew Tanakh. The English Haggadahs for Pesach we had used the King James Version, as did our side-by-side (Hebrew/English) rendition of the Tehillim (Psalms).

Here's a modern Jewish scholar's take on the subject of accuracy:

"The cadence, vocabulary, and overall structure of KJV strongly resemble the Hebrew original. Any number of memorable turns of phrases ("tender mercies," Ps. 25.6 and elsewhere) or lingering verbal pictures ("the face of the waters," Gen. 1.2, and "the Lord make his face to shine upon thee," Num. 6.26) we associate with KJV are in fact quite literal renderings of the Hebrew lost in freer translations into English or other modern languages."
-- From "Jewish Translations of the Bible" by Leonard J. Greenspoon in "The Jewish Study Bible" (Jewish Publication Society / Oxford University Press, 2004).

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Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:34 am
by Tristan
catherineyronwode,

This is golden advice. Thanks also, cat, for describing the experiences of Jews with the King James Version. I would never have thought that it was used for English Haggadahs!

Jibrael,

Nowadays, I just use my Orthodox Study Bible (which uses the NKJV for the New Testament) for workings and private study alike. It's a bit hefty, but I love it.

For anyone wondering, the reason why the Douay-Rheims (and the OSB) has a different numbering of the Psalms is that it uses the Septuagint (Greek) numbering of the Psalms, as opposed to the Masoretic (Hebrew) Text used by the King James Version, for example.

You have to be careful sometimes not to tell people to bathe with hyssop while praying Psalm 50, when it should be Psalm 51 according to the King James Version! :D

This is a great thread everyone. Thanks for your contributions!

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:23 pm
by catherineyronwode
This is our best-selling edition of the King James Version of the Holy Bible:

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Holy Bible, King James Version, gold emb. cover. Doré illlus.
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Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:55 am
by Joseph Magnuson
Even based solely on the inclusion of the Doré illustrations makes this well worth that price. Very beautiful.

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:49 am
by Mama Micki
Joseph Magnuson,

I may have to add this to my Bible collection. Beautiful cover!

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:49 pm
by LoveisLove
Hi all! I was wondering how many times a prayer was repeated during a spell. Is there a specific number or just say it once? I am a little confused by this, I have heard several different answers.

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:17 pm
by MissMichaele
LoveisLove,

It depends on the spell. The Fiery Wall of Protection Spell Kit, for instance, provides materials for a traditional, elaborate protective spell which ends with you saying Psalm 37 thirty-seven times as you cleanse your house.

Most spells call for just one prayer, or a much smaller number than thirty-seven :) and others simply call for you to carry out the actions "while praying."

Hope this helps,

Miss Michaele

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:13 pm
by AnthonyMansker
LoveIsLove,

I agree with Miss Michaele. In some cases, there may be a prescribed amount of repetitions, while in others it is a matter of following your inner guidance. I have recently been experimenting with repetition. Repetition seems to assist me in building and focusing power into the spell work at hand. I recently did some work with several different glass encased candles, each dressed for a different condition. I repeated my prayer/petition and/or psalm over each individual candle 9 times. Nine in and of itself is a powerful number and I really felt at the end of the 9th repetition a sense of completion and victory.

I recommend experimenting with repetition. See what feels right and best for you. Try repeating three times, five times, seven times, nine times, or until you feel enough power has been focused to accomplish the magical task at hand. Then be observant and notice if it makes a difference in the outcome of your workings. ;)

Good Luck!!

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:02 pm
by LoveisLove
Thanks guys! Appreciate the help!

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:39 pm
by papagee
Ditto to what Cat said. I have two bibles on the edge of my altar. The one on top is a King James version - it is the wedding bible of my parents from 1963. Below it is my own Bible - a Catholic bible. I was raised in Protestant surroundings but chose Catholicism for myself as an adult. So, both are represented.But, for magical work I use the Catholic Bible.

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Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:11 pm
by Celt21
It depends on where and how you were raised, whether or not the King James Bible is just a "Protestant" Bible....The Russian Orthodox/Greek Church Priests often recommend this translation to English speaking Parishioners....as you know this is quite similar to the Catholic Church most of you know up until the 12th Century they were, in point of fact, the same Church.

I think with Bibles it is the same as with magick....we all like what is familiar to us and we cling to what we were first taught, even if we evolve. Even after this evolution begins, we may change, but we don't forget. The King James should work fine for anything...it is, after all, the intent of the words....but its all in what a person likes

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:47 pm
by Rue Anh
These forums are fantastic! I was just looking for the answer to my question on if the kjv was preferable due to the older translation and Time period. Got my answer....thanks everyone.

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:29 pm
by catherineyronwode
miss cookie --

You are most welcome. This forum has been online since 2008 and it is one of the most active of the curated and moderated magic forums around. We appreciate the positive feedback.

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:08 am
by Hoodoo777
If I wanted to use psalms from TLB version of the Bible for hoodoo would they still work?

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:55 pm
by Miss Aida
Hello, Hoodoo777,

I don't know what TLB means.

I am Catholic and will only work with the Psalms from King James OR an English translation from the Torah.

Take care

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:29 pm
by catherineyronwode
Hoodoo777 --

The Living Bible (TLB) is a modern translation used in some churches, and if that is what is used in YOUR church, feel free to use it in your spells.

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:29 pm
by jennipop1313
I see that the King James Bible is for sale on Lucky Mojo. Is this the recommended version for Hoodoo and Rootwork?
Thank you!

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:35 pm
by catherineyronwode
jennipop1313 --

If you read this thread from the top, you will see different people explain why they use different translations of the Bible in their work.

All of the older folks i have known -- and all of the older books i have read -- used the KJV, but i would not call it the "recommended" version -- just the most popular. It is the version cited in "Secrets of the Psalms," for instance. As a Jew, a Baptist, and a Spiritualist, i prefer the KJV, so that is what i sell in my shop. The KJV is also the version that is given in full on the AIRR web site, here:

http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/wi ... _of_Psalms

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:26 pm
by stillsosola
question when I was in Florida and seeking more info on hoodoo I asked a few older African American ladies at work and they all said they had never heard of hoodoo but that thier moms would routinely pray psalms out of kjv bible and that they themselves have seen people carry Gideon's bibles for the psalms.I asked an African American woman at my Catholic Church and she was originally from Louisiana and she knew what hoodoo was and her family used a Catholic bible only could it be a regional difference in bible preference? And what is a Gideon's bible? I'm only familiar with kjv and the Catholic translations they said the Gideon's bible is a mini bible???

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:34 pm
by Rev Ernest
stillsosola --

The King James Version of the Bible is used by Protestants. At the time that it was first printed, the Catholic Church forbade Catholics to own any Bible but a Latin one.

When the Catholics finally allowed people to have personal Bibles, they made their own translation. The difference is not regional, it has to do with the denomination of the practitioner.

The Gideons International is a non-profit Christian group founded in 1908 with the mission to place Bibles for free in hotels, motels, and other places where people may wish to have one. Gideon Bibles are not "mini-Bibles." They come in full-size versions, and small ones too, to fit in the drawer of a night stand on a motel or hotel. They are available in 95 different languages, in 200 countries. To date, the Gideons have distributed more than 2 billion free Bibles.

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:05 am
by jennipop1313
Thank you for your reply catherine! I have another question. Any insight on using a Gnostic Bible?

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:08 am
by JayDee
stillsosola --

The bible your friends are referencing are those small bibles that are often handed out on the streets for free. they come in bright colors like orange, green, blue. they tend to include the NT , pslams and proverbs. You would sue the bible of your choosing, I prefer King James as I was raised with it. I do have a New International Version as a reference when I dont understand the Old English. Gnostic bible was found by an individual in Egypt with secret or lost text never accepted by the church as Cannon. Some use them others do not. Some scholars have discredited them based on history, writing style etc, others accept them. It is one of those historical points of differences you will deal with when you do research on the topic.

Re: King James Version of the Holy Bible Questions and Answers

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:38 pm
by catherineyronwode
jennipop1313 --

The Gnostic Bible -- comprised of stories that were not included in the general compilations of the Bible, but which have been discovered as archaeological findings in relatively recent times -- are extremely interesting, because they spring from variant traditions of early Christianity. However, they have no role to play in the study or practice of past and preset traditions of black American folk magic, and are generally studied by theologians more than they are utilized in hoodoo spells of magic.

There are other venues where discussion of the Nag Hammadi scrolls and the various Gnostic Gospels are discussed, and i think you will find an interesting vein of research associated with them, even though they themselves are not associated in any traditional way with conjure or rootwork.