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Ethics: When To Work and When To Butt Out

Unread post by suzyparker » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:57 am

Now here's an odd question but someone will know..

if you are working a spell (of any kind) on a person and the person you are working is ill (not as a result of your work, just in general) are they more likely to be influenced by the spell or less?

If working on a physically ill person has a different outcome (greater success, less success) than on a physically healthy person, is it better to light a success, love, or luck candle on someone currently ill or should you wait until they are healthy?

Just a general question but never occurred to me before.

Thanks to anyone who has the answer.

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Re: Illness

Unread post by jwmcclin » Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:57 pm

I don't perceive to have the answer...but I think it is best to do a healing spell first...that is my personal opinion.

A sick person is weak and you may want them healthy for love, success and luck work I would think.
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Re: Ethics: When To Work and When To Butt Out

Unread post by coastwitch » Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:05 pm

I agree with jwmcclin -- if someone is ill and you are trying to help them in matters of love, luck, money, or protection, it is best and most ethical to help them recover their health first.
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Spells in Secret for Loved Ones

Unread post by Siren » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:52 am

Well now I have "the bug" and want to do spells for some people in my life. I'm thinking mostly spells that would attract new love and money. I also have someone I want to do a Steady Job spell for.

Here's a few questions. Is it problematic to do positive spells for someone who doesn't know you are doing them? I know this friend is miserable in her financial state and is desperately seeking love, but she is spooked by spells. So I would be doing this all for her benefit but behind her back.

How do you keep yourself focused on that person? I was thinking about printing good size photo of my friend and having it displayed as I do my spell.

Do I skip all the bathing because the spell is for her?

Let's say for the Love Spell (new love) I should put a description of her ideal lover under one stone? What concerns would be ideal for her? I can get just about everything but sexual fluids. Should I put her picture and bday on her paper under the lodestone? Would I bury the bag on HER front door? How about the remains? Would I use the attract powder in her house?

Should I do a kit or a bottle spell or buy items individually? I kind of want to practice doing spells with a lot of work involved to help build my confidence and intent.

If I do a get Steady Work on someone who isn't aware I am doing spellwork for them, what concerns would I need and how would I do it without them carrying the mojo or powdering their resumes? This person would think I was batty for doing this. I'm guessing the spell kit would be overkill because they won't be using half of the material. What would you use and what would be your method?

Sooo many questions!

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Re: Spells in Secret for Loved Ones

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:36 am

Doing positive work on behalf of others without their knowledge is common in hoodoo. There are no proscriptions against it.

We can also do secret work to harm people -- giving them what looks like a nice thing that has been secretly cursed.

The term we use for both types of covert rootwork is "sneaky ticks" -- tricks meaning conjure work, spell-casting, etc.

You might enjoy taking my Hoodoo Rootwork Correspondence Course. There is an entire chapter on how to do sneaky tricks in the book -- so i am not going to repeat myself here.
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Re: Spells in Secret for Loved Ones

Unread post by freegirl » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:48 am

I wish I had enough confidence to take this course. Confidence in my own work is my biggest obstacle, but one I am working on. But I look forward to taking it at some point!

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Re: Spells in Secret for Loved Ones

Unread post by ConjureMan Ali » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:27 pm

You can easily perform work on behalf of others, even if they are not aware of what you are doing for them. It is a habit I have myself ;-).

Setting up a photo on your altar as you perform work on behalf of that person is a great way to keep your focus on that individual. The basic idea is that you'll be acting as her proxy. So when you fold petition papers, anoint candles, or perform other directional drawing work, draw towards yourself as if you were that person, but rembember to state in your petitions in prayers that you are bringing all this into the life of so and so.

For the ideal lover write what you feel would be perfect for her, or you can simply put "so and so's ideal lover." Use whatever person concerns you can get for that person, hair, used clothing etc. Following up by sprinkling a bit of the corresponding powders in her house would be a great way of bringing the spell home to her.

The kits and bottles are both great ways of building confidence. They have everything you need along with detailed instructions. The bottles are also nice and small and can easily be buried, along with the remains, at someone's front door covertly. You can even make a trick out of this by burying the items in a small potted plant and giving the plant as a gift to your friend.

If you cannot powder resumes, or give people mojos, you want to avoid that type of work and instead work on general attraction with things like moving lodestones. The use of the personal concerns and some tricks laid down will help keep everything together and directed at your target.
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Re: Spells in Secret for Loved Ones

Unread post by Siren » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:14 am

Yay! Thank you, Conjureman for the sound advice. I'll try a money attraction spell instead! You are always so generous with your advice.

Cat, I've totally been contemplating taking your course. Can people sign up for it any time or do you have to enroll at certain dates?

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Re: Spells in Secret for Loved Ones

Unread post by Dr Johannes » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:44 am

Geena: It is not only a matter of keeping your own mind focused on the person. A picture is worth thousand words, but a strand of hair is worth a thousand pictures.
Doing covered work for others is like saying prayers for them before bedtime with some added..."oompf". It works best if you hear them express their wish clearly before you start any work or you might just loose a lot of energy trying to give them what they do not really want or is not ready to recieve just yet. Be mindful also of if you want them to credit you for the help. Then that should be added to your prayers while doing the work. It is a good way of clearing spiritual debts that they might feel and for you to get some energy back.
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Re: Spells in Secret for Loved Ones

Unread post by ConjureMan Ali » Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:04 am

Agreed, a personal concern like hair is perfect. Since this is your friend try raiding their bathroom and seeing if you can get some strands of hair. A hairbrush is your best friend.
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Re: Spells in Secret for Loved Ones

Unread post by Mama Micki » Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:03 am

The Course is open to customers of Lucky Mojo only, and Miss Cat has to approve your enrollment. You can start at any time and work at your own pace.
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Ethics: Helping People With or Without Permission

Unread post by zee » Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:00 am

I am asking this for my DH, i practice hoodoo without his knowledge and have had life changing success ( job, personality issues) with LM products . DH is in a downward spiral and is 'stuck' in his job and also just overall...to the point where i think he is depressed. Had him checked out with a doc and doc said nothing was wrong, needs no meds etc and just a 'sign of the times' , as DH's job is in serious danger of being axed.Had reading done by AIRR reader who said he looks like he was crossed by ex's desire to keep him stagnant and paralysed...another reading with a different AIRR reader verified the same..
Now the crux of the problem is how do i uncross him without his active participation ?
I got an LM uncrossing kit as well as a FWP protection kit.
Can i make a dolly for this purpose , and uncross that? i read a discusion of this on the forum but cant find it now..

Also for inviting good luck if i get a triple strength luck and job atraction mojo and keep it in his clothes in the closet, will it influence his luck in any way? i know he wont carry it!

Please advise!

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Re: helping someone who does not believe in hoodoo methods

Unread post by jwmcclin » Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:05 am

I have read in this forum that you can use an egg and rub over his picture (do a search to isolate that information for accuracy). I would think since he is your husband and at home you have access to everything you will need for a cleansing, uncrossing, drawing and protection spell etc... You mentioned a doll baby which can done in this situation as well. Since you have the uncrossing kit, put some in his bath without him knowing (a sneaky trick), if he uses gels, throw some in there, or boil water and dissolve the bath salts and add to his bath without him knowing (get the picture?) So there will be no questions, strain the bath crystals thorough a sieve or place in a mullein bag.
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Re: helping someone who does not believe in hoodoo methods

Unread post by ConjureMan Ali » Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:00 pm

You can work conjure on someone without their knowledge and/or belief.

You can work with a dollbaby that can act as a sit-in for your target. Perform your cleansings and uncrossing on this dollie.

You can also keep the work going by adding products to his shampoos and body washes.

Make sure you thoroughly cleanse the home and do a drawing wash to help keep the home sphere protected and cleansed as well.

If you have access to his socks or other laundry you can toss some bath crystals into the wash. Good luck
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Re: helping someone who does not believe in hoodoo methods

Unread post by zee » Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:39 pm

Thank you both.
Its interesting that the two times i have tried to cleanse the house for the purpose of uncrossing him i have gotten so busy in other stuff that i never finsished the process. tonight i will make a doll baby forst...any recommendations on what to stuff it with?
thanks
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Re: helping someone who does not believe in hoodoo methods

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:31 pm

Zee, please ask your questions about doll babies in the section of this forum devoted to doll-babies. Thank you.
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Unread post by zee » Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:38 pm

Sorry cat, I will start a new thread there..this Q on doll babies just sorta evolved..

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Ethics of cleansing and protection?

Unread post by alex bettencourt » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:10 pm

So, I'm moving into a new apartment in the next couple weeks. I am planning on cleansing my room and space and adding the protections that I usually add to my living space. However, I will be living with a roommate who has no spiritual inclination whatsoever and is pretty 'head blind'. I tend to have nasty things follow me home or show up and want something, so I'm wanting to protect and clean the entire home so that I'm not at risk when I'm trying to relax. :)

I feel a wee bit uncomfy going behind my roommate's back but, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure it will benefit her. Is this ethically kosher or am I on shaky ground? I'm planning a whole room wash for my bedroom with some extra window and entrance protections. I'd like to use a witch bottle and some window bottles in the house, but I have no idea how non-spiritual people will feel about such things. Thoughts?

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Re: Ethics of cleansing and protection?

Unread post by Devi Spring » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:17 pm

Well there's a difference between having no spiritual inclination and being fundamentally opposed to magic work on dogmatic grounds. If she just doesn't care one way or the other, then who cares? Just clean the house. That's the core of spiritual cleansing anyway, is adding intent and spiritually-potent ingredients into the regular cleansing routine. You don't have to tell her the mopwater has spiritual cleansing properties - who cares, you're just cleaning. If you regularly burn incense anyway, just burn a different kind - who care, you're just burning incense. Even if she was greatly opposed to magical work on dogmatic grounds, I'd still clean things up and just not mention that you're doing anything different. It's not like cleansing hurts anything. Just do the bulk of it when she's not home.

If you want to put extra things into your room, then really it's none of her business what you do in your room. Let's put it this way, would she be offended if you were just following your own personal religious/spiritual beliefs as long as you kept it to yourself? Probably not. Just because she doesn't practice anything, doesn't mean she cares if other people do.

Just keep your work quiet. Don't shove it in her face. Lock the door to your room to maintain your privacy. And then be subtle elsewhere.
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Re: Ethics of cleansing and protection?

Unread post by thelightfantastic » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:49 pm

Since you're not doing anything the least bit harmful, I'm not sure why you think you're on shaky ground or why you doing a cleansing would be unethical. You're doing something that you believe will benefit your home - most roommates would understand even if they didn't believe in such things. If you really feel it that big a deal, run it by her first. Odds are she probably won't care.

Further, ethics in hoodoo is a very personal thing. There's no set laws, rule of three or karma concept. Basically your conscience is your guide.
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Is it okay to Hoodoo for Charity?

Unread post by Spookyredhead » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:08 am

Hi everyone!

I am a novice and I need some advice. This week I am going to be sewing some little sundresses for charity. These garments will be worn by unfortunate little girls who live in extreme poverty in Mexico and Haiti. When I think about the lives these kids lead it just breaks my heart. I was wondering if you all think it would be okay (ethical) to apply some Hoodoo to the items before I send them off. I was thinking prosperity and protection. I also need ideas on what would be the best way to infuse them with these intentions.

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Re: Is it okay to Hoodoo for Charity?

Unread post by Turnsteel » Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:51 pm

That's a perfectly fine idea! I would either add some of the appropriate bath crystals to the wash water when you lander the dresses, or smoke them in incense, and of course pray over them, and pray while you make them. What a wonderful thing to do, God Bless you.

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Re: Is it okay to Hoodoo for Charity?

Unread post by jwmcclin » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:00 pm

I agree with Turnsteel...great idea!
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Re: Is it okay to Hoodoo for Charity?

Unread post by Miss Tammie Lee » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:17 pm

Absolutely BRILLIANT and very kind and giving!!! Good for you Spookyredhead and way to go!!!
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Re: Is it okay to Hoodoo for Charity?

Unread post by Spookyredhead » Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:24 am

Awwww....thanks! I am a crafty girl so it's my way of being a do-gooder. If anyone else is interested in this sort of thing, here is a link to a great resource: http://crafthope.com/

From your suggestion, I was thinking about rinsing them using the Fiery Wall of Protection bath crystals as a rinse.
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Re: Is it okay to Hoodoo for Charity?

Unread post by Miss Bri » Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:42 pm

Spookyredhead wrote:Hi everyone!

I am a novice and I need some advice. This week I am going to be sewing some little sundresses for charity. These garments will be worn by unfortunate little girls who live in extreme poverty in Mexico and Haiti. When I think about the lives these kids lead it just breaks my heart. I was wondering if you all think it would be okay (ethical) to apply some Hoodoo to the items before I send them off. I was thinking prosperity and protection. I also need ideas on what would be the best way to infuse them with these intentions.

Thanks!

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Re: Is it okay to Hoodoo for Charity?

Unread post by Spookyredhead » Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:05 am

Thanks Miss Bri! I think we will be making blankets for the humane society at some point in the future...we will make sure to bless those too!
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Uncooperative spouse - help!!!

Unread post by mojo69 » Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:24 pm

I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this, but I thought I would give it a go. I am studying the rootwork course and have done some small things for myself using hoodoo. My problem is that my wife is 100% against me doing anything like this. We have had other problems in the marriage but she says if I continue to hoodoo she will leave. It's crazy. I can't light candles or set up altars because she thinks it's against God. Does anyone have any suggestions how I can get her to start understanding what I'm wanting to do. Forget about logic. I've tried and that doesn't work. Any help would be appreciated. I prefer something sneaky I can work without her knowledge.

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Re: Uncooperative spouse - help!!!

Unread post by Joseph Magnuson » Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:51 pm

If you are a member of the Course always remember that you can ask your fellow course-mates questions at the class Yahoo Group. There may be other students with problems such as yours who would love to help you out.
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Re: Uncooperative spouse - help!!!

Unread post by MissMichaele » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:58 pm

I spent many years in a religion which was just as conservative about magic. On issues like this, using logic is "the wisdom of is world," opposed to "the wisdom of God," and there's no getting around that. You probably won't get her permission, but you might be able to manage her opposition:
  • Be the best Golden Rule husband you can be; meanwhile,
  • Feed her your sexual fluids and/or bathwater; tie one of her (unwashed) socks to one of your (unwashed) socks and put them under the mattress; use formulas such as Stay With Me, Love Me, etc., to make the prospect of leaving you unbearable. You can also use the bathwater in her grooming supplies, the family laundry supplies, and the cleaning supplies.
  • Most rootworkers have historically been Christians; ask Jesus to help you resolve this situation in your favor.
  • Also add poppy flowers when bathing; they have the confusing, forgetful nature of poppy seeds, but their floral nature makes them useful for love work.
  • Start a honey jar on her. Privacy will be a problem for you, so the classic honey-jar-with-a-candle-on-top isn't an option. You can use a small jar of sugar, fixed just like a honey jar, which you can keep hidden. You shake it while praying instead of burning candles on it.
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Re: Uncooperative spouse - help!!!

Unread post by mojo69 » Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:13 pm

Thanks so much for the help. I started the course many years ago and ended up abandoning it due to my wife. I keep coming back, so I know it's what I am meant to do. I still do things here and there that look Christian in her eyes, but most things end up impossible for me. I appreciate your help.


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Re: Uncooperative spouse - help!!!

Unread post by Mama Micki » Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:34 pm

Burning vigil candles dedicated to Jesus, Mary, saints and angels may be an acceptable way of working in her eyes. You can also employ sneaky tricks such as laying powders and oils and carrying a mojo bag.
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Re: Uncooperative spouse - help!!!

Unread post by Madame Pamita » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:14 am

What about a "fern plant with an apple in the soil" in lieu of the honey jar spell? It can just be a fern plant, as far as she knows.
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Re: Uncooperative spouse - help!!! Mama Micki - Madame Pamita

Unread post by mojo69 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:13 pm

Thanks Mama Micki. I have done some burning of candles using saints and this seems to be ok. I sneak a petition written under the candle and pray. I will be expanding to powders and mojo bags soon. Thanks again.

Madame Pamita. Any more info on the fern apple "honey jar". Anything I need to say or do to make it work better? Thanks so much.


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Re: Uncooperative spouse - help!!!

Unread post by Madame Pamita » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:47 am

It's in miss cat's book Hoodoo Herb and Root Magic or you can read about it here:

my-parents-romance-&-communication-t4830.html#p26832

It's a totally discreet sneaky trick! A sweet one! :)
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Re: Uncooperative spouse - help!!!

Unread post by autumnalflower » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:00 am

What about putting a petition of something of easing her mind or how ever you would want to word it in her shoes, like maybe in between the sole insert and base of shoe if she has a pair of sneakers?

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Re: Uncooperative spouse - help!!!

Unread post by Miss Bri » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:07 pm

You got some great advice already. What I can add is...Jesus, Jesus, Jesus! If she is a Christian then make your altar to Jesus. If she is open to Saints petition the Holy Family for your marital bliss and tranquility. If she is open to Mother Mary perhaps work with an image or icon of the Blessed Virgin Mary in one of her many forms-I myself am partial to Our Lady of Guadalupe. Don't use words like magic, use words like prayer and devotions--this may all make it easier for her to understand and get on board. Jesus is a powerful worker, he is a great ally, he preached peace, love, wisdom and understanding-he also preached cunning when the situation called for it so I think bringing some Christ energy into your home is an excellent idea!
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Using oil for my husband (without his permission)

Unread post by heavenleigh » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:32 am

Hello.
I am very interested in purchasing Rose of Crucifixion (oil). I have read someone said it can help/ease depression. My husband suffers depression. He has been to so many treatments already. I would like to apply the oil to him without necessarily explaining what is it for. Is this ethical to do?
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Re: Using oil for my husband (without his permission)

Unread post by jwmcclin » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:31 am

Yes, you are helping him right?
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Re: Using oil for my husband (without his permission)

Unread post by MissMichaele » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:40 pm

"Sneaky tricks" are an old, old magical tradition -- for good as well as for ill. Besides, the Bible says: "The spirit goes wherever it will." You're just blazing another trail for the spirit of the Love Supreme.

You might also want to work with Dr. Jose Gregorio Hernandez (since he hasn't found the treatment that works for him) and St. Dymphna (since this is a mental health problem).
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Re: Using oil for my husband (without his permission)

Unread post by psychic kitty » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:55 pm

Sneaky tricks---great way of describing it, Miss M! When my father was alive, he suffered from terrible anxiety issues that gave him a temper. I used to sneak homeopathic and Bach flower remedies into a glass of juice for him each evening. They helped! Eventually, he embraced natural remedies very enthusiastically and things improved from there!

Heavenleigh, how about diffusing the scent in an area where your husband and you spend time? Oil diffusers---where oil is floated in a dish of water which is then heated by a votive light below---work great and can simply be explained as something nice to scent the house. My cousin did this with sweet melissa oil for her son's ADD. Why not get some of the LM oils for St. Dymphna or Dr. Hernandez and add them to the mix? Another good one might be tranquility, or healing.

And then you could always sneak the oils into a nice carrier oil such as sweet almond oil and give your husband a massage...? There are bath salts as well, a nice bath never hurt anyone!

Maybe Miss Cat or some of the herbalists here can weigh in on some herbal tea blends that can help as well. Depression is a terrible thing and I feel for your husband---and you!

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Re: Using oil for my husband (without his permission)

Unread post by heavenleigh » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:25 am

jwmcclin, thank you, yes i'll be doing this to help him remedy the problem. now i feel good about my plan with many smiles.

MissMichaele, thank you, yes the term "sneaky trick" is perfect for what i have in mind. i thought doing this still needs the permission of the person involved. i am very lucky to have people like you guys help me clear and relax my mind. now i feel good and definitely i will also consider dr. hernandez and st. dymphna. i'm doing this for love...

psychic kitty, thank you, it's my first time to hear someone feels for me and my husband. it was very kind of you, thank you. usually people say sorry. because family, friends always say sorry for my situation, i felt sorry for myself too and thought there was nothing to be done and i was simply unlucky in life. i became sad.

i really like the idea of diffusing scent - i want to do this every night while we cuddle each other to watch tv in the living room. and then a quick massage before to sleep. thank you for the romantic idea! bath salts as well. i need to look up all these products.

i feel it is a must for me to get hold of a copy of Miss Cat's HHRM book. i feel there is something for depression there ( i hope ).

thanks again everyone. have a great day all!

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Re: Using oil for my husband (without his permission)

Unread post by MissMichaele » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:14 pm

heavenleigh wrote:MissMichaele, thank you, yes the term "sneaky trick" is perfect for what i have in mind.
Just to set the record straight: I picked it up from Miss Cat :)
i thought doing this still needs the permission of the person involved.
That's much more a Wiccan thing -- and fairly modern, too, I think -- than hoodoo. When someone needs help, we just step up and do it -- whether it's help to heal, to see the error of their ways, or to meet their Maker.
i feel it is a must for me to get hold of a copy of Miss Cat's HHRM book. i feel there is something for depression there ( i hope ).
I bet there's scarcely anyone on this forum who doesn't rely on that book.

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Hoodoo and Conjure for Family Members With Permission

Unread post by Celebrant » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:48 pm

Hello everyone,

May I ask if it is ok to cast spells on behalf of my husband - with his knowledge and approval?

He is a believer of spiritualism and magic, however is not comfortable in performing the spells himself - mostly because he is worried he will do something incorrectly at the time.

WIll a spell still hold the same power if I do it, and is that ethically correct.

Thanks for any answers received.

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Re: Casting on behalf of spouse with his permission - ok to do?

Unread post by Mama Micki » Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:50 am

Yes, you may do work on behalf of your husband. You can bathe him, dress him in oil, or give him a mojo to carry, as well as burn candles and incense for him. If you are doing work for him, such as cleansing, money drawing, healing, etc., I don't see any problem with this. If you are doing enemy work on his behalf, get a reading to make sure it is justified before God.
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Unread post by MissMichaele » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:32 am

If he were to seek out a trained and experienced professional rootworker, would you see an ethical problem with that?

Well, that's kind of what he's doing by giving you permission to help him: seeking out the help of someone more knowledgeable and practiced.

Working for others is one of the oldest traditions in spiritual work.

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:47 am

It is a long-standing tradition within hoodoo practice for family members to make and do for those who cannot. Mothers help their children all the time and spouses help one another.
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Unread post by jwmcclin » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:44 pm

Good discussions, while its amiable and permission granted, there's hundreds...thousands even, who do the work and quite effective both, with and without permission. Just a thought.
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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:26 pm

jwmcclin --

Oooh, leave it to you to mention the super-secret "without permission" part. LOL!

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Ethics: When To Work and When To Butt Out

Unread post by fantasma79 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:57 pm

Recently, a friend of mine came to me seeking help with a situation regarding her husband. Before I begin, I should mention that the following people are all friends of mine.

In a nutshell, Friend "A" is married to Friend "B". Their marriage is on the rocks, and has been for a while. Friend "A" and Friend "B" also have a child together.

In the midst of their problems, Friend "B", the husband, has been spending A LOT of time with Friend "C" who is female. This has caused more issues for Friend "A".

Friend A wants the marriage to work and is committed to doing some work to help make it happen. She does not want her husband to have anything to do with Friend C.

Without going into too much detail, Friend B and C are behaving in a manner that isn't really appropriate, though as of yet I don't believe anything physical has happened.

So the question in this messy situation, is how can I best help Friend A, who has come to me?

I don't know that there is much that can be done to save the marriage, but I don't want to influence the outcome for them.

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Unread post by Mama Micki » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:08 pm

It's up to you whether or not you do any work. If you "don't want to influence the outcome for them," then let her know.
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Unread post by Miss Phoenix » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:24 am

I can really empathize with this situation. I've been in almost the exact same predicament and I would suggests that a good old fashioned conversation needs to happen. Since you are friends with all parties involved, maybe you could talk to the husband and see what is going on, what he is feeling, what he wants. As a concerned friend you may be able to help the situation without involving magic. Sometimes the best way forward is the simplest.

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:57 am

I agree with Mama Micki -- don't do the work if you don't want to influence the outcome -- and i agree with Miss Phoenix as well, because i too have been put into this predicament, in which my services were sought, as a friend, to drive away a rival of a wife whose marriage was already on the rocks when the rival appeared. In my case, i subtly felt that the wife, anticipating the split to come, had pre-selected me to be "her" friend (that is, to work against the husband) and also was asking me, as a friend, to perform a spiritual spell that i was pretty sure would not succeed, somehow further enmeshing me in her business and linking me to the outcome of the spell.

I brooded on this for several days, and finally came up with a solution. She was not 100% happy with it at first (she had wanted more), but she accepted it, and i did do the work at no cost to her, so she would not refuse it. In the end she was happy with the job i did.

The work was based on a spell i had cast when my own marriage to the father of my child was breaking up. It had succeeded for me, and i thought it would succeed for her as well..

I told her that i would do a spell to keep her, her husband, and their child united on a spiritual basis, even if a divorce were to go through. I said that i would work for the higher good of reinforcing the impulse that brought them together in the first place and led to the birth of their child.

I did a simple hair binding spell (common in the folk magic of many cultures, not just hoodoo), braiding and thread-wrapping their hairs into an elaborate plaited packet. I gave her the packet to keep. I told her that no matter what transpired, the other women could never be part of this packet uniting her, the father, and the child, and that no third party could ever break the familial bonds that tied them.

I told her that this was the best and the most i could do for her under the circumstances. She accepted the offer, i did the work, and they did eventually divorce, but he remained a good father and they preserved a civil relationship. Both eventually remarried, by the way.

This may not be what you choose to do, but it was helpful for me, in the social sense that it preserved my friendship with her, and it was helpful for them, in the magical sense that it did bond them as a family on an unbreakable spiritual level beyond that of the marriage itself.
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Unread post by fantasma79 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:08 pm

Thanks so much to all of you for your advice! Miss Cat, the hair spell you suggested seems like just the thing. I'm pretty certain that this situation will not end with a continuation of the marriage, but that's a great counter offer that I think will make some sense to her.

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Could Ethics Be Reason for Very Different Results?

Unread post by MoonBreath » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:12 am

Hello everyone. I am asking this here, even though it has to do with candles, because of what I feel may be the core issue - ethics. Since I am so new to this, I wanted to get opinions from seasoned pros to see if I am on track.

I burned an orange candle last night to protect someone from gossip and baneful speech. I had carved on the candle with a toothpick "protect ___ from gossip". The candle was sprinkled with clove, slippery elm, and alum. It burned brightly. As it was burning, ( I hope this doesn't sound too crazy) I felt like guardians of the folks doing the gossip against the person I was trying to protect, came around me ( no, I can't see or hear spirits, but I got that distinct feeling ). I felt multiple presences and said aloud in my room WHY I wanted them not to talk bad about the person. I basically stated my case and my wishes for the situation in hopes they would understand. As I said the candle burned brightly.

This morning, I fixed another orange candle with cloves, slippery elm, and alum, but added a petition paper with the trash talkers names and birthdays. Over that, I wrote "Don't talk bad about ____". I carved nothing into this candle today. The candle is barely burning today AND the person I am trying to protect got a bad stomach bug this morning.

So, do you think the trash talkers' guardians were mad I used a petition paper to specify them, when before I just said " protect _________ from gossip." ? By the way, these folks have a right to be angry at the person I am protecting, but they had told the person they forgave them ... THEN started talking bad about them and trying to break up their relationship. The person I am protecting made a stupid mistake, felt awful, then came clean, apologized sincerely, and asked forgiveness. These folks agreed to forgive the person. Now they are back-stabbing and spreading poo - where is the forgiveness? Gossip and slander are sins too!

I am getting the feeling I am justified in protecting the person ( who has done everything they can to make things right), but NOT to specify the names and birthdays of the people who have a funny way of showing forgiveness. I didn't curse or hurt the gossip people, I just wanted them to shut up. What do ya'll think? The difference in the candle burn is dramatic!

Thanks in advance for any insight you can offer.

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Re: Could Ethics Be Reason for Very Different Results?

Unread post by MoonBreath » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:48 pm

Update: when I finished asking my question, I checked the candle and it was burning a little bit better. I went and had lunch and came back and now the flame is burning strong again. It's almost like telling ya'll made the problem resolve. Guess I'm a big, fat tattletale. That being said, I would still appreciate any input about the situation in general.

I feel justified in protecting this person. They made a mistake, but did everything they can to make things right. Other people who forgave them are acting like nothing happened and are content with moving on. It is a sharp contrast with the ones who also SAID they forgive, then stopped talking to the person and started gossiping behind their back.

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Re: Could Ethics Be Reason for Very Different Results?

Unread post by Miss Aida » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:55 pm

Hello, Moonbeath,
I think you've made a pretty good diagnosis!
I think I would add another candle to this ritual that represents not only your friend (and use fiery wall of protection on that candle. as well as Fear not to walk over evil).
www.luckymojo.com/fearnottowalkoverevil.html
I'd make other candles to represent them with Stop Gossip oil
www.luckymojo.com/stopgossip.html
I'd even have those other candles facing the protected candle. www.luckymojo.com/fierywall/html
With a ittle role playing, It may change the behaviors o the other candles.
Just my thoughts.
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Re: Could Ethics Be Reason for Very Different Results?

Unread post by MissMichaele » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:58 pm

MoonBreath, you're a good friend -- but the situation you describe only after the second candle is one where nobody's completely in the right. It does look like your friend got stung by the spiritual allies of the people s/he offended -- and maybe she deserved it. Reminds me of the time someone tried to kick me after I got a little too close to her while riding my bike. Neither of us was injured, but she violated my personal space in a very insulting manner. So I muttered under my breath, "You're going to be hurt just as much as you hurt me, but no more."

You might want to follow up with some wisdom and peace work all around -- Clarity and Tranquility on a white or blue candle. Spread the powders where they will step in them, if you can.

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Re: Could Ethics Be Reason for Very Different Results?

Unread post by MoonBreath » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:37 pm

Thank you for writing back Miss Aida and Miss Michaele. I will look into the suggestions and will certainly continue to try and help this person get past this mess. Yes, they deserve blame and have to take their lumps because they were at fault, and i understand the concept of doing penance. They understand and expect that as well. What irked me was the mean spirited talk and meddling AFTER everything was supposed to be forgiven and settled. That was the ethical question for me. There is now fault on both sides.

I will ask these unseen guardians to please help their charges back off and let my person prove themselves and turn over a new leaf. All of us have done stupid things before and regretted it. I wish no ill will toward the trash talkers ... I just want them to back off and hush. I sprinkled slippery elm in the corners of my person's room and in their shoes. I also told them to keep praying to St. Michael for protection. I will need to order some of the other things ya'll suggested. And I will give an update should anything "interesting" happen. Thanks again.

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Re: Could Ethics Be Reason for Very Different Results?

Unread post by MoonBreath » Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:28 pm

Well, something "interesting" happened not long after I started another little candle like the 1st one. No petition paper, no mention of names & birthdays, only the words "protect ______ from gossip" carved into the candle with a toothpick. I lit the candle, said my prayers, and left the house to run some errands. It is sprinkling outside and the streets are wet. As I was coming home, almost there in fact, my car hydroplaned nearly sideways down a boulevard. I did NOT lock up my brakes or run through water AND I have 4 new tires less than 6 months old ... but off I went! As I was sliding closer to a stopped car in front of me, there was a 'bump" like I hit something and I suddenly stopped. But there was nothing there. I have to assume God or a guardian angel physically stopped my car before I could hit the stopped car. I immediately felt attacked, but was very grateful to whoever saved me.

Wow. I feel like every time I do anything beyond a simple prayer ( like: light a candle ), it is getting someones' attention and they do not like it. I feel threatened or perhaps ... warned, but I still feel justified to protect my person from the vitriol they are getting since being told, "oh we forgive you". Can it possibly come to having to put bay leaves around a stop gossip/protection candle? I am NOT cursing anyone. I don't understand. It's like the trash-talker's spiritual allies are telling me ...'Oh yes, your person is going to catch hell and you better stop interfering." Could it be these "friends" who "forgave" my person are actively trying to throw something nasty?

Ethically, is it common to be contacted/attacked if you are working on someone's behalf? I have Run Devil Run Oil; should I add that to the protection candles or would that escalate things? In the past, I have been hit when using that oil. It makes the nasties MAD. I am just trying to protect someone here ..... :?

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