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i was reading up on properties for bay leaf in hoodoo conjures and it said this..."For protection and to avoid being jinxed, especially if you are doing a job on someone else".(quoted from LM)

i have a new deck of tarot cards that i havent touched yet and want to cleanse and break in and all that you need to do before use. i will get some sage at a later point but i was wondering if smudging the tarot cards with bay leaf can provide cleansing to them? im basing this from the description of bay leaf uses.

I'm interested in this as well. Interesting question w/k...

Bay Leaves

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For protection and to avoid being jinxed, especially if you are doing a job on someone else.

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You could certainly fumigate them with a mixture of herbs.

However, the trick that I remember for using bay leaves to avoid being detected when working on someone else is that you lay 5 leaves in a 5-spot pattern encompassing your working altar. That hides the work that's going on inside that barrier.

Bay is also a success herb, too, though. So you could use it for success in your divinations while fumigating as well.

I see no reason to protect or cloak my tarot cards -- if i were smoking a new pack, i'd smoke them with Psychic Vision incense, Spirit Guide incense, or Indian Spirit Guide incense, for obvious reasons.

I do use Bay Leaf when i set out spell work (especially candle spells) that i do not wish to have spiritually detected. The Powder is handy in this regard.

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Use in Magic:
For protection and to avoid being jinxed, especially if you are doing a job on someone else.

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thank you for the very helpful info Devi. i will definitely use the bay leaves in a combo with the tarot cards and to 5 spot my altar. from what you said it makes me think i can successfully hide my works and/or bring more success to the spells cast from the altar. i actually smudged myself a bit earlier after a working was done. i am brainstorming many different ways to use this potent herb now.

how have other friends on the forum have used this herb? id like to keep this thread going as it fascinates me.

oh oops i posted after Ms. Cat and didnt see it. thats an interesting point you bring. i havent smudged the cards as of yet. i think i was more along the lines of reading the properties on protecting form being jinxed.

would burning an incense that contained bay leaves during a reading cause the tarot to be protected from truth during divination?

Bay Leaves are also great for not jinxing yourself if you are doing work for clients, or if you are doing dark work, not tracking the dark energies back in to your space. Like Devi mentioned you put down those leaves and it will conceal your work, protect you, and I've used to keep from having things reversed back unto me.

Follow Miss cat's advise and smoke them with Psychic Vision. You can also dust them with the satchet powder if you like.

wraithklewn, don't be silly.

You ask the herbs for the specific help that you desire and require, given what you want and what you can expect them to do.

Would you ask friends to do the OPPOSITE of what they wanted them to do? No, you wouldn't. So why imagine that suddenly the Bay leaves will "cause the tarot to be protected from truth during divination"?

Truly, you NEED Bay leaves -- they'll make sure your head -- and your spell work -- are screwed on front-forward.

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thank you for setting me right Ms. Cat. ah yes i do have alot to learn and i know that i will thanks to this forum you have created and of course you.

next order will have psychic vision in it among a few other items.. well ok probably a whole bunch of things.

p.s. i enjoyed listening to you on that internet brodcast you particpated in.

Just out of interest I have heard of using bay leaves to hide your work, I cant remember where the information came from (possibly Miss Cats book) but the use of them was by placing a leaf in each corner of the room to hide your work.
However I like the idea of using a 5-spot on the altar, I haven’t heard of that before. I was just wondering if you would place 4 leaves on the corners of the alter or on the floor at the corners of your alter and the other obviously in the middle of the altar.

The reason why I am asking is because I am planning to move my altar to a spare room in my house
and the place I will be putting it is in a alcove in the room so because the room is not square the leaves in the 4 corners of the room will only cover half my alter.

I was also advised to put a mirror on the window ledge in the room to hide a reversal work. I like this as well but I guess to use both might be over doing it.
Do you need to do anything with the mirror ie write on it ect.

Thank you.

i 5 spotted my altar earlier. its a big wooden chest and i actually put the 5 leaves on the bottom of the chest inside it. i may as well do my room in a 5 spot as well. i had done it last week with salt too.

I like the idea of using the corners of my room, but due to the rooms shape
it wont be very practical and even if it is, it wont feel right because
it would feel like placing rail road spikes for protection at the front of my
garden and putting the other 2 half way up the side of the house instead of
the back end of my back garden. It wasnt until I was reading this thread
that I even thought about this.
I will go with the 5 spot on the alter as I will be using a desk, I like the
idea with the chest though.

i dont know about the details.. but id go as far as 5 spotting both really. there are way more experienced to this then myself so im sure someone will chime in on the matter.

I am trying to find out exactly what is bay leaf used for??..

Hi, It is typically used for protection. I have one in each corner of my room as you can read about in the attached link.

You can read about bay leaf here: http://www.herb-magic.com/bay-leaves.html
You can read about a whole host of herbs here: http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatherbs.html
and here is a list categorized by function: http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodooataglance.html

Thank you.

Bay leaf is a major component in success work - remember the bay laurel crowns that victors would wear in Rome? Bay = Success!

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didn't know that. thanks. I love understanding where these things come from or where they can be found in history.

Thank you Devi. There should be a thread started for you. I have followed your words of wisdom for a while and greatly respect you. You help all the new comers as we come in, and some of us that have been here for a short and a long while, with words of wisdom and recommendations to products.
I appreciate you and am most certain that many others do as well for all that you share.
Most sincerely,
Triple

You're sweet, Triple. I'm glad to be of help.

I agree with Triplethreat, I follow Devi's advice quite often....and Triplethreat you are brilliant as well.

Thank you both

I've come across a few spells where it indicates to write out certain petitions, or the names of Apostles, or scripture, on bay laurel leaves. The purpose of the spell doesn't seem to align up usually with protection or mental clarity/psychic vision. Does anyone know where that symbolism of that act is? where does this practice come from?

Hello, brthrchristopher,
Greek, Roman, Chinese, and the Bible are the sources.
Don't believe any of them are related to Hoodoo.
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I've read that Bay leaf can be used to wash the windows and door to protect the house from negativity. How would one use the herb to make a water? Would you put it in a cloth and then let it soak in some spring water? Does it matter what type of cloth?

You would make the water similarly to making tea. Although I think with Bay Laurel leaves, you want to actually boil them in the water for a bit, as they are a little more hardy and need some more heat and time to help release their essence into the water.

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I've worked a lot with Bay leaf, and I must say, it is a very powerful, and potent herb. I understand why it's consider a must as a success herb.

Hello, I was wondering if i am able to use bay leaf for negative work to keep my work concealed from my target and to not jinx myself. I do all my negative work in my bathroom so i was wondering if i should use the bay leaf inside the bathtub like putting 4 bay leaf around the 4 corners of my black skull candle & one underneath it? or should i use it only for smudging after i do negative work along with sage? Let me know what you guys think will work best, thank you guys again!

Hello loabeliever,

Yes, putting a bay leaf in the four corners of the room you're working on (or at the four corners of your workspace) will help keep you from being jinxed by your own bad work.

http://www.herb-magic.com/bay-leaves.html

And yes, you can conceal work from your target by putting five bay leaves in a five-spot pattern on your workspace: one in the four corners, one in the middle. If you scroll up through this thread you will find a lot more information on bay leaves.

Good luck.

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Thank you so much sister jean

Hello, loabeliever ,

In addition to SisterJean's fantastic advice, I also recommend to my clients to put one in each shoe that you are wearing for added invisibility

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Awesome! Thank you Miss. Aida

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For Bay Leaves and manifesting I have heard many things and was hoping I could find out what is true and not true.

1) I assume it all depends on one's beliefs and intentions:

2) Bay Leaf manifestation is best when done on the 1st of the month or first 3 days of a new moon

3) You write down your desire in the present (example: Blank gives me a promotional work; Blank returns to me and we have sex)

4) You need to use a color of pen/market associated with your desire (example: red for love and green for finances)

5) Do you need to abide by this or can you do it at any time and use any color pencil/pen/marker?

Hello, PrayPrepareProsper:

1) The use of Bay Leaves for "maifesting" sounds like internet randomness to me. Bay leaves are for luck, for victory, for a wise head, and for protection. As a Mediterranean herb of ancient magical repute, and use in ancient Mediterranean ceremonies, i think that one should follow the customs and beliefs of the ones who live with the Bay Tree within its natie range. Do not ignore 4,000 years of magical use.

2) Bullshit.

3) Bullshit.

4) Bullshit.

5) Go back to the basics. Ignore the bullshit.

Here is what we know:

The Bay Laurel tree is called Grecian Bay because it is native to Greece.

In ancient Greece, the tree was considered sacred to Apollo, the god of the Sun, who was the patron of music, poetry, archery, warriors, prophecy, wisdom, medicines, and healing. (Bay Leaves are a a good source of vitamin A, vitamin B6, and vitamin C and they are anti-inflammatory.)

Apollo fell in love with a woman named Daphne (the Greek word for Bay Laurel) and pursued her. She fled and asked her father to hide her, and he turned her into a Bay Tree. Hence Bay Leaves grant protection through a kind of invisibility.

However, Apollo recognized her beauty, even in the tree, and used her leaves to craft wreaths or honorary and symbolic crowns that were bestowed as a form of accolade on poets, musicians, healers, athletes, and military victors. Hence the Bay is also associated with success in artful poetry, music, archery, thee military, and healing.

Apollo's Bay Leaf wreaths were not crowns of hereditary kingship, but tokens given in recognition of extraordinary successes and victories.

The symbolism of Bay Leaves as significators of success and wisdom can be seen in the Bay Laurel wreaths used in the icons and logos of universities and athletic organizations to this day.

You can see Bay Laurel crowns worn by people on the following tarot cards:

The Fool
The Empress
The Chariot
2 of Cups
6 of Wands

Because the Bay tree is sacred to Apollo, the Sun god, it makes no sense to claim that one should work with its leaves "on the 1st of the month or first 3 days of a new Moon." Rather, if one wishes to use astrology, one would work with the Sun god's sacred plant on a SUNDAY at the SUN HOUR (e.g. Sunrise). In fact, if you look back at ancient charms and amuletic jewelry -- and at the sacred decorations of today -- you will find many examples of Bay Leaf ornaments made of GOLD -- Apollo's sacred, sunny metal.

I hate internet crap-magic, but i love the fact that you had enough sense to ask me, and i was able to set you straight.

I also put Bay leaves inside my shoes for protection and never know.
Erin # 2292