How to Work Sneaky Tricks and Hidden Spells Questions and Answers

Unread post by **sephirah** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:53 pm

A client needs a trick to cause an adversary to self destruct in his
work place. Of all the suggestions I could come up with, the one he
liked best is to tuck something into the window A/C unit from the
outside that would continually suck dume into his office. He is not a
co-worker so is restricted to an "outside" job. I could make him up a
small packet to stuff into it or a spray to mist the vents (but that
would quickly evaporate and he wants a long lasting, one-time, quick
hit and run). Don't we all? LOL
The weather is hot and the A/C's are cranked full blast so the time is
right. This is my first A/C work but I love the concept of it. (Hey
Cat, if I don't have what I need, I may need a "rush" order)

Marion

Sparklegirl · Unread post by **Sparklegirl** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:44 pm

hi
I was wondering what advice you have on burning candles privately I still live with my parents

and they would lose it if they saw me burning candles out in their house so I'm wondering is there a good way I could just burn them in my room and hide them somehow and if I did this would it ruin the work like if I was burning a candle a bit at a time

Jessica

p.s. is there anyway YOU could burn candle for me?

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:16 pm

Hi, Jessica --

Hoodoo is a form of domestic folk magic, but lots of folks don't have full privacy to do spell-casting in their homes. They may live with their parents, like you do, or they may live in shared housing such as a dormitory, or -- tough as it is -- they may be performing a spell that is intended to directly affect a family member in the home, such as a spouse, child, or in-law. Pretty much every system of magical working can be adapted to function under conditions of secrecy, but candle-burning is the most difficult form of rootwork or conjure to hide, for obvious reasons.

One method used by many practitioners to conceal candle work is exactly what you described: You burn the candles a bit at a time and hide them between burnings.

When candles are burned a bit at a time -- which we call "burning in sections" -- they may be left up on the altar or hidden away between lightings. It is customary to burn them for at least 15 minutes at each session -- just long enough to get them going well and to spend some time over them in prayer or petition before putting them out. In order to keep one's link to the candles continuously strong during the switches from "on" time to "off" time, practitioners long ago developed two further traditions, "pinching them out" (for all candles) and "wrapping them up" (for candles that are hidden away).

In hoodoo, one oft-heard piece of advice is, "You should never blow a candle out if you want to return to it, because that ends the spell, but if you pinch it out, you can come back to it any time." This is a customary, but not compulsory, way to deal with candles that are to be burned in sections. When i say "customary but not compulsory," i mean that you may work differently, but you will be in the minority, since most hoodoo practitioners prefer to pinch out candles when a spell is ongoing and the candle must be stopped for a time.

To pinch out a candle, just lick your thumb and first finger and -- sffft! -- put out the wick. Or, you can keep a pretty metal candle snuffer at the altar (and it can do double-duty as a shaper for incense cones).

Pinching or snuffing out the light is done for all candles burned in sections -- that is, both for candles that will be left on the altar and for those that will be hidden away.

When hiding away candles or any other altar objects, it is the custom in hoodoo to wrap and tie them. This secures their spiritual energy, and marks them as still being in use. The most common way to wrap candles that are being burned in sections is to place them in a brown paper grocery bag and twist the top shut. They may also be rolled up in a flat piece of brown grocery bag paper and tied with cotton packaging twine.

So, as you can see, burning candles in sections does not "ruin the work." On the contrary, it is a common, practical, and useful way to work, and it is so often done that an entire set of terms and traditions has grown up around the custom of burning in sections.

In answer to your P.S., yes, you can have us set lights for you, but we only set the glass-encased vigil and novena lights, and i think that you will enjoy hoodoo more and learn to become a sharper practitioner if you try working candle spells on your own. Remember, too, if you are new to this, to be careful and safe with fire -- don't set lights near wind-blown curtains, nor where pets can knock them over.

Good luck in your conjurations.

cat yronwode,
Lucky Mojo Curio Co.

Malefic · Unread post by **Malefic** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:16 pm

I might also suggest something I'd once heard as a way to conceal candle burning and magical workings: get a big box of something like tampons, or some other "private" item you can keep in the bathroom that others in the house will be unlikely to disturb. Empty out the box and fill it with all your magical supplies. You then perform your spells while you are alone and out of sight, in the bathroom; you could even multitask a shower or bath with candle burning by setting the lights someplace secure like the sink to burn while you do whatever it is you're going to do.

The other thing that's nice about this, is bathrooms are usually pretty fire-resistant and even if there's some kind of messy accident to clean up (like an exploding candle) people are less likely to inquire about what went on. Even the drippiest candle, I tell you, probably wouldn't compare to the mess at my place after I've attempted a home bikini-wax

(And candle wax is probably easier to scrape off the floor...)

lmlvr · Unread post by **lmlvr** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:07 am

What happens with the effectiveness of spells if the intended target suspects that there are work done on this person...?

Please advise me. Thank you

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:51 am

Well it really depends on whether the targeted person is taking measures to protect themselves against the magic you are doing. If they are (I would assume that they are) then it is really a test of your will and your magic against theirs, and for some workers, the will of the Divine.

If they are laying down strong, effective protection or actively trying to block or reverse what you are sending out to them then you may see the spell work not taking, being thwarted, not going through completely, and in the case of jinixing types of work your own life becoming less pleasant and negatively affected.

take care,
Bri

Unread post by **Literarylioness** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:04 pm

lmlvr wrote:What happens with the effectiveness of spells if the intended target suspects that there are work done on this person...?

If a person naturally protects themselves, it comes down to a battle of wills. If you are working on someone well-versed in magic, he or she probably naturally protects themselves.

Mary

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:22 pm

I wanted to know what is a good spell to do to block another practitioner from seeing your work. I know the fiery wall of protection is great to protect your work but this would not hinder the person from seeing the spell you are doing. Any suggestions?

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:53 pm

There are a number of different approaches to doing an "invisibility spell." I would love to share some of them with you, but this is a busy day for me, so, briefly --

* Bay Leaves and Arrowroot Powder provide invisibility
* Clarity spiritual supplies dispel invisibility

That was just the tip of the iceberg...

Thanks for understanding.

justv · Unread post by **justv** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:25 am

Hi Everyone! I'm thinking of a way to sneak a spell into a relative's home using a potted plant. I'm going to give them a potted house plant as a gift.

I want to know what plant I should give and what I can conceal in the pot to make them more receptive to me, love, and favor me. I think I might go with a Fern or Forget-Me-Not (if I can find it) but what do I add to the pot?

I want a plant instead of flowers because I know it'll continue to live in the home for a long period of time. Any suggestions? Thank you all!!!

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Tue May 05, 2009 1:35 pm

This is a very old trick. Its usually done with a honey jar, but instead of using a glass jar you hallow out a apple and use that. As for what plant to use, I like Peace Lilly, firstly because it has peaceful connotations and secondly they're just pretty, lol.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Tue May 05, 2009 4:13 pm

Full instructions for preparing this spell are to be found in my book "Hoodoo Herb and Root Magic." I would rather you buy the book -- and get abou 499 other spells, too -- than have us print out all the instructions here.

justv · Unread post by **justv** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:22 pm

Thank you HailDiscordia and miss cat

I have Hoodoo Herb and Root Magic and I love it! I found the information on the apple and the flower pot (pg.33) and it says its generally done by a third party and to water the plant using Holy Water as long as I'd like to work the spell. I want to give them this plant and I know they won't water it properly. So I will attempt this with a plant that will live with me. As far as the plant I'm going to give to them is it alright to sprinkle it with Sachet Powders? I'm sorry I have read HHRM through a few times I just didn't know that the apple in the pot to make love stronger would work in this case so I appreciate the advice very much

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Wed May 20, 2009 1:50 am

I wanted to send a cigarette/ ID holder case to my enemy, and dust it with goofer dust, and dress it lightly with some crossing oil. Would this be a good idea? Also, as long as the target touches, and keeps the item it will affect them right?

Unread post by **J Simulcik** » Thu May 21, 2009 3:43 pm

Is it a double-cross gift or would you be sending it anonymously? The dressing would be the same (unless you were to use different formulae) but they might be less willing to use/keep the item if they didn't know where it came from.

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Thu May 21, 2009 3:59 pm

Just thought you might want to know, their is a formula just for this kinda thing. http://www.luckymojo.com/oil-double-cross.html

mabel · Unread post by **mabel** » Thu May 21, 2009 4:16 pm

Why not just send a card?
Gift might cause more suspicion and the target might be wary of keeping it as a result.....

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Thu May 21, 2009 4:25 pm

starsinthesky7 wrote:I wanted to send a cigarette/ ID holder case to my enemy, and dust it with goofer dust, and dress it lightly with some crossing oil. Would this be a good idea? Also, as long as the target touches, and keeps the item it will affect them right?

Sounds lovely. As long as your target has it near them and it has been dressed properly it should do its work. Talk to the object before you give it to them telling them that you want it to work its magic to ruin their lives, etc, etc.

mabel wrote:Why not just send a card?
Gift might cause more suspicion and the target might be wary of keeping it as a result.....

,

Sending gifts to enemies has a long tradition in Conjure as a sneaky trick. Cards and letters can accomplish similar purposes, but an object that is worn on the body everyday or most days will be in contact with the target more frequently and so can exert more influence over their lives.

take care,
Bri

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Thu May 21, 2009 5:49 pm

Hi Bri,

How would I go about dressing it properly? It is like a metal case, and I was thinking about putting oil on it lightly, and letting it dry. Then I was going to work with it such as talk to it. Thanks for the suggestions.

Unread post by **Literarylioness** » Fri May 22, 2009 8:59 am

starsinthesky7

I would lightly dress it with the powder. Oil leaves a bit of a residue, which is bit suspicious. Powder does not raise many flags, since people just think it is dust.

Mary

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Fri May 22, 2009 4:11 pm

Hmm grreat! Does anyone have any ideas how I send this to her (like a company or something) I could pose as. I wouldn't want to send the gift under my own name. I have a find who is willing to send it from another state (she doesnt know the target but does Hoodoo). Any ideas would help.

SouthernGirl · Unread post by **SouthernGirl** » Mon May 25, 2009 8:11 pm

starsinthesky7
Don't know if this would work at all. Could you send it to her from the other state to her address but with some madeup recipient name and return address and name. Sorta like someone mailed it to an acquaintance but accidentally put the wrong address? Maybe a short note such as "Hey (imaginary name here), I think you left this in my car. It looked brand new and figured you'd want it back. It was nice to meet you. Sorry it took so long. Hope I got the right address." Signed, imaginary friend name.

I dunno. I'm just throwing stuff out here.

crazy_chihuahua_lady · Unread post by **crazy_chihuahua_lady** » Mon May 25, 2009 10:52 pm

Oh that would work! Because then the enemy may like it and just keep it! But the only thing is that if the package has someone elses name on it, she may not open it. Hmm I'll have to brainstorm more on this.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Mon May 25, 2009 10:59 pm

I actually like that idea,and thought about it. But then I didnt think she would open it since it was under another person's name.

snake · Unread post by **snake** » Mon May 25, 2009 11:16 pm

What if you sent it addressed from a fake company and enclosed a typed letter from the company about it being a thank you gift for being a customer. I'm sure it will seem strange but at least they'll keep it.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Tue May 26, 2009 12:16 am

I like that idea! And I did think about that so I will probably do that with the help of my friend who lives out of the state.

lightofnirvana · Unread post by **lightofnirvana** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:23 am

Hi, i give my best wishes to all my hoodoo friends. i am in a bit unsure of a bottle spell i will be doing starting waning moon15th june. my family are coming around at the same time and i would like to know if it was ok it the candles were burned in presence of family in the same room, watching the procedure or simply being there, family as in sense, i have my cousin and her son stopping in the days i intend to do the spell.
the son is in teens and will not be bothered but my cousin will probably just watch. now i want to know if its ok to do this candle burning and other aspects of spell when you know there is other people who will actually see you doing it? does it make the spell weaker? i hope i dont sound stupid but i have learnt in some article of this matter that a spell shouldnt be ever disclosed or it loses power, knowing that all of us in the forum have disclosed what we are doing any way. help, suggestions anyone.

nati1 · Unread post by **nati1** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:51 am

Best wishes to you to Lightofnirvana here is my opinion and suggestions.
I for one would NOT perform any spell/ritual in front of anyone that was not involved in the matter. I would not want any distractions or have any one ask questions as they are viewing what I was doing. I would also be leery of any negative energy in the room. Is there any way that it can be done early in the morning before they arrive? Maybe you can place your candle in the bedroom and not in a main traffic room. Yes, there is discussions of what is done, but there is no physical presence of anyone. We simply ask for guidance/help and suggestions for the correct procedure/tools and products from LM to make our work the best it can be. I may very well be alone with my opinion but it's just that my opinion. Good Luck in your Hoodoo endeavors.
Nat

lightofnirvana · Unread post by **lightofnirvana** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:47 am

Thank you nati1 for your reply. now i just dont know how i will be able to do my break up spell. i have to burn the candle for 7 days. my cousin sister will be sharing the bedroom with me, so even early hours in the morning she will be there, the only place i can think of doing the break up spell is in the batroom, i will have to stay there for hours to let the candle burn to the point required as i will be burning 1 portion of 7 till i finish day 7 , life gets harder and difficult.....................thanks anyway...keep suggestions coming...God bless

nati1 · Unread post by **nati1** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:27 am

Your Welcome, Is the candle free standing or labeled? If labeled you may want to turn the candle so the writing on the candle isn't exposed.. if free standing then just burn it... In my opinion the less people are aware of what one is doing the better (hope that makes sense)... if the bedroom doesn't work then you must be clever as to when to do your work without interruptions and distractions. Do you have a garage? maybe a group effort to where all your guest make breakfast (fun cooking together) and while they are occupied in the kitchen you can close the door to your room and do your work and enjoy the feast while the candle is burning. I would think that you will draw more attention to yourself if locked in the bathroom for hours. How long are your guest staying with you??? plan activities/outings for them and while they are gone do your work. I'm sure that we can come up with something so that is it neither hard or difficult.
Nat

lightofnirvana · Unread post by **lightofnirvana** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:22 am

Thanks for the suggestions, my cousin is renting out a property to move near me permanantly, so until she settles down properly i will be seeing much of her. the break up candle i have is a figural candle, as you have said i will face the writing unexposed. the reason i was all worked up is because waning moon will be over by then and i will have to wait till next month. also could you clarify this nati1, is it ok to leave the candle burning in the room while i am enjoying my feast?
i have heard people say that the summer soltice coming up is a very powerful period. do you have any ideas what spells could be done in this period? as always thanks to every suggestions and keep it coming.....God bless

nati1 · Unread post by **nati1** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:16 am

I responded and not sure what happened but I will post again (lol)
Once you light your candle and pray/concentrate and or meditate I see no problem in leaving the candle. As to the summer soltice someone with more experience may want to comment. If I felt an urgency in the work that had to be done, then it was done whether it was a waning/waxing moon. Just a thought but have you considered letting your guest know that you wish to be alone while you pray? God Bless to you
Nat

SilverStar · Unread post by **SilverStar** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:12 am

15th is a Monday, I heard that breakup spells are best to be started on Tuesdays.

happilydysphoric · Unread post by **happilydysphoric** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:16 am

I think burning the candle in your bathroom is a good idea whether you have family visiting or not. Some people don't like to do destructive spells, like a break up, in their bedrooms. Good luck!

The_2 · Unread post by **The_2** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:26 am

I put it in this subforum because I guess this covers a current social trend.

How do you deal with hoodoo magic when there's an increased that your photo or a friend's photo of you will end up online? There's so many social networking and photo sharing sites these days. Isn't it all a huge risk? I know it makes me quite paranoid. I'm trying not to be so wary of putting my picture online though.

How do you guys deal with it?

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:29 am

You deal with it. If your keeping up your protection work, and everyone should, then you'll probably be fine.

path2success · Unread post by **path2success** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:38 pm

By keeping up the protection work do you mean a protection vigil candle or something else? I mean how can we make it an ongoing process? I also have faced the same issue and so I never share my pics with anyone...

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:16 pm

Most of it is keeping your self and home clean and protected. I won't go into home protection here. You can read more about it in this thread: home-pretection-t1217.html and on this page: http://www.luckymojo.com/protectionspells.html

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:22 pm

The wrote:I put it in this subforum because I guess this covers a current social trend.

How do you deal with hoodoo magic when there's an increased that your photo or a friend's photo of you will end up online? There's so many social networking and photo sharing sites these days. Isn't it all a huge risk? I know it makes me quite paranoid. I'm trying not to be so wary of putting my picture online though.

How do you guys deal with it?

Some folks just don't put up their pictures. Other folks will put up pictures that are out of focus, fuzzy, or blurry, or where part of their face is hidden, so that the image that someone working on them has to work with is incomplete or fuzzy and ill-defined.
Most importantly as Hail Discordia said, is to keep yourself clean and protected.

good luck,
Bri

path2success · Unread post by **path2success** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:53 pm

Thank you Miss Bri & HailDiscordia. The mentioned link has a lot of info, also I wasn't aware that if the fuzzy photo may be a weaker link to the person...

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:14 pm

path2success

Really if you worry about leaving a trace of yourself everywhere all you accomplish is driving your self crazy, your voice on tape can be used too ya know. All you can do is have faith in your work.

The_2 · Unread post by **The_2** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:57 pm

HailDiscordia wrote:Really if you worry about leaving a trace of yourself everywhere all you accomplish is driving your self crazy, your voice on tape can be used too ya know. All you can do is have faith in your work.

That's very true :-) And thanks for the link to the other thread.

lmlvr · Unread post by **lmlvr** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:29 pm

It's sort of belated but thank you Bri and literarylioness for your answers.

Unread post by **Literarylioness** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:22 pm

lmlvr wrote:It's sort of belated but thank you Bri and literarylioness for your answers.

What happened? Did the target know?

Mary

LeBaptiste · Unread post by **LeBaptiste** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:03 pm

Avoid the whole online photo-sharing rigamarol all together. Keep it oldschool with the forums.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:27 pm

I put up pictures all the time -- but they are "prepared" pictures. They may contain an embedded protection spell or sigil, for instance.

I also keep protection around my shop, church, and home.

rickets · Unread post by **rickets** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:16 pm

LeBaptiste wrote:Avoid the whole online photo-sharing rigamarol all together. Keep it oldschool with the forums.

That's odd to say, as it's easy to protect yourself if you believe someone will print your picture out and do work on you.

Everyone serious in Hoodoo work has protection up all the time for them.

spellyshelly · Unread post by **spellyshelly** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:11 pm

Hi

I have been working on my target for a while now, he is not from a hoodoo background and he is uneducated on this subject, however he has mentioned a few times as a i suppose "joke" accusing me of having a doll of him that I may be working on. I have not yet used a doll for the situation, but I am just wondering if he can sense that I am working on him and is this a good or bad sign? or whether it means anything at all?

MaJiG_GarDen · Unread post by **MaJiG_GarDen** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:15 pm

hey shelly,

i've had similar experience where my ''target'' did say the same thing .. in fact he said 'i bet you have a voodoo doll' not directly to me however, but i read the comment and this was during the time when I began my conjure.
anyways I also wanted to know whether some people can sense they are influenced by magic, cause I have read that some people are more receptive to such things..

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:38 pm

Some people can tell if they are being worked on. If it's another practitioner they likely will figure it out really quickly. If they are not, they may subconsciously pick up on it and begin resisting.

spellyshelly · Unread post by **spellyshelly** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:52 pm

I see, so is there anything that can be done to make them unable to resist?

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:20 pm

Depends on what their defenses are like. You would want to do or get a reading to determine the best way to move forward. Actually doing a divination beforehand can be a real trouble-shooter right out of the gate.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:36 pm

I agree with Devi. I dont know if its the target knowing that someone is doing hoodoo on them, BUT if the target has been influenced to think about you and is mad at you...they may resist those thoughts aka the work. I dont think its a matter of someone is doing hoodoo on their target and the target just suddenly knowing. But the target might be alert to the fact that they are being flooded with thoughts of you...doesnt want you, and begins resisting. Furthermore, the target might just be resistant by nature.

I would recommend doing some work to weaken the client like with poppy seeds. Poppy seeds are not only for confusion but they are good for weaking as well. I would use those along with some bend over, or domination oil/powder to dominate them into making them weak into lowering their defenses.

When you are doing work for a long time, I suggest keeping some kind of record of what you are doing....and when you began it and ended it. I am not saying constantly look at your journal thinking "gosh I did this step a while ago" its not meant to serve as a timer but just simply so you can know what is working and not working. Furthermore, you need to make sure you are addressing the PROBLEM or ISSUE. If you are doing reconcilation work, but there is another person with your target...its going to make it difficult because there is another dynamic there that is going to influence your target. OR if you are doing some come to me work and the person is still hostile and pissed off at you...then you need to address that.

Also, do not keep doing the same spells over and over again. You need to switch it up, and attack from another oil. Lastly, make sure you are cleansing yourself regardless if you are doing work that is positive or cursing. You need to do this and take a rest as needed. And when you sense you have hit a road block after a considerable amount of time then get a reading and make sure you ask "what spellwork needs to be done to see movement, or what steps needed to be done on my target to get past this road block" something like that need to be asked.

Also, Ive notice some people like to skip steps or think they can do one spell and everything is going to be fine. Remember you need to approach this as a step by step thing. Sometimes a step needs to be done in order to help move the work along avoiding certain steps can be a waste of time and money. And then you might have to start all over again. Most work starts with a reading, and it is crucial that you get one. If you do not, it could lead your work to be a hit or miss, and you are operating in the dark.

hello · Unread post by **hello** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:27 pm

I sensed when my friend tried to do a spell on me, I called her up on it until she admitted it...I don't know if it's because of the constant thoughts and dreams i had about her, but I just knew she had done something, i had this feeling like she had...maybe your target is experiencing the same things...

Oh and this might sound strange but when i got really fed up with her doing the spells (before i confronted her about it in person) in one of my dreams that i had about her, I pushed my friend and told her "NO! that's enough, stop it! You are not welcomed anymore!" and i pushed her into this white light and from that moment forward, the thoughts and dreams about her, stopped....

Brujero05 · Unread post by **Brujero05** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:44 pm

Those who are naturally intuitive will sense it. There is nothing you can do to "hide" it. You are working with energy. The good news that if they can sense the energy, they spell is working because it has reached the target. The only thing is to keep on working. I would say becareful about your target sending the energy back to you. Be most cautious.

kmew1315 · Unread post by **kmew1315** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:06 pm

Brujero05 wrote:The good news that if they can sense the energy, they spell is working because it has reached the target.

lol. That's the reason that I was reading this kinda wishing that something like that would happen to me.

Unread post by **Literarylioness** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:24 pm

I do believe people pick-up on the work, but that should not deter anyone. Snakes can't resist snake charmers. I don't even think about it.
I think most people have to really think of the work they are trying to do. If you are doing love work, you will fall more in love with the target. It is quite addictive.

As far as cursing work is concerned, yes keep clean, but if the target is powerfully protected, you may have bit off more than you can chew. This is especially true when trying to break-up marriages. A lot of workers won't touch that, because of how tricky that is and how dirty it is.

Mary

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:23 pm

Even people who do not believe in magick can sometimes pick up various vibes and subconsciously feel that something may be going on. They usually aren't overly alarmed, but may wonder. If they are a practitioner they usually know when someone is working on them. I know that personally I've become sensitive enough that I know when someone is trying to look for me when I wish not to be found, or I sense when someone's thoughts turn towards me sometimes.

I don't know if I agree about the sentiment of being unable to hide your work. You may not always be able to keep that person from sensing something's up, but you can certainly limit their ability to perceive that you are doing work on them. Stars' suggestion of poppy seeds is a good one for crossing and controlling work. It can be used to weaken the mind and trip it up about a subject, but I would be adverse to use it on a love target. If this is a love work than you can gently wrap a small piece of silk or red cloth (try for something slighly transparent) around his doll baby while sweetly tell him that he can no longer perceive that you are doing work on him. In harsher work you simply change the color of the silk and be more firm in your approach, maybe even stick pins in the eyes.

If this is love work, don't worry too much about being perceived. Sometimes the magick works stronger when the subconscious mind is lulled by sensing sweet energy flowing towards it.

Astrophel · Unread post by **Astrophel** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:38 pm

Some guy was cursing me once and I knew exactly what was going on, because my mind was being invaded with emotions and thoughts entirely alien to my nature, so it was OBVIOUSLY an outside influence. I called him on it, he said he would stop, but it was clear that he had most certainly not stopped and I called him on it again - he admitted that he had gotten some friends to do the work instead while he sat with his hands folded, and thought this was clever. You bet I retaliated, though.

In this case it was incredibly obvious, even after I thought it should have stopped. I imagine love work would be much the same. If you find yourself inexplicably attracted to someone you've had no interest in previously, well, wouldn't you suspect something?

snake · Unread post by **snake** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:14 pm

Once, someone I was working on started acting really irrationally in the particular situation that I was working. He obviously didn't know that I was doing anything, but he was clearly being effected by the work and resisting it. I used a ton of confusion oil, but I decided that domination was just not the way to go with this guy so I switched to a honey jar.