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Dominating_lady · Unread post by **Dominating_lady** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:48 am

I have been wanting to ask this question also. I grew up in a strict household, and was taught any form of magic is the "devil's work". I often ask myself these questions from time to time... pondering.

Can these thoughts affect my conjure work? I like to think positive thoughts, but my mind can wander...i'm a picses.

Avalon · Unread post by **Avalon** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:51 am

I was raised Roman Catholic, and after a long period of soul-searching (including almost 15 years of considering myself Pagan) I've returned back to Christianity. The Doctrine of Signatures says God put all plants on this earth for us to use, so I honestly can't see Him finding fault in our bettering our lives with His bounty. Just my way of looking at it.

Angelina2 · Unread post by **Angelina2** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:22 pm

Hi Avalon, thats true; good way to look at it.

Mohammed · Unread post by **Mohammed** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:32 pm

Wow! I was wondering the same thing too! I was raised as a Christian, but since a small child very attracted to world religions, other cultures, and divination, herbs, etc. etc.

Mary:

I wish I could meet your mother!

Unread post by **Literarylioness** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:47 am

I think the emotonal element of a magical practice is very important.

I studied various paths, Hindu, Faery, Pagan, Santeria, but never practiced any of them. I studied them more from a scientific stand point and even though I am psychic, I would say I was agnostic until I was about 24. It was only when I encounted Vodou did I feel an emotional connection. That emotional resonance is very important, in my view, in any spiritual practice.

Mary

luckycharms · Unread post by **luckycharms** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:16 pm

I was told I have Goddess Given Power from a Voodoo Witch friend of mine and I am curious as to know a little more of what it means.

I can do things like make my body get warm from using my mind if it's cold here in the house. Whenever i make up a spell or perform a spell it works really fast when i use strong hard faith and a force....

Unread post by **Literarylioness** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:38 pm

Dear luckycharms,

Don't know what a Voodoo Witch is, but this is a hoodoo forum. I have not heard of what you describe in Vodou.

Mary

Editrix · Unread post by **Editrix** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:09 am

luckycharms --

It sounds like you've got a whole jumble of traditions going at once -- a "Voodoo Witch" talking about "Goddess-given power" -- you're not likely to get a clear-cut answer to that question on a forum dedicated solely to hoodoo, which is primarily practiced by Christians.

I realize this is a simplistic suggestion, but why not ask your friend for more clarification?

keirith · Unread post by **keirith** » Wed May 20, 2009 7:59 pm

Is it OK to try two different reconciliation spells at the same time if both may come from different cultures/origins?

For instance, what if one uses a Voodoo spell and some other kind of spell at the same time?

I am assuming this is OK if they are both for the same purpose.

Thanks.

Devendra · Unread post by **Devendra** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:30 pm

I have a question for you guys (fellow forum members). I know hoodoo has roots in Christianity even though the practice is not religious.

Do any of you alter aspects of hoodoo to fit your own beliefs and practices?

I would like to work with hoodoo, but with using Witchcraft chants instead of psalms/Bible verses to carry out the spells. Would that be unethical? Do any practitioners do this?

Are there any resources I can find for using non-religious incantations for hoodoo? Information like that has been hard for me to come by on the internet. I would really like your input and opinions. Thank you.

Devendra

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:04 pm

Keirith and Devendra,

Voodoo is an African and African-Diasporic religion in which magic may be practiced, but be wary when people tell you they are selling you "Voodoo spells." They may just be using the word "Voodoo" to sell their goods. A Voodoo spell, if it is authentic, would involve petitions to the deities or lwa of the Voodoo pantheon.

Hoodoo is African American Christian folk magic. It also does not involve a lot of "chants," in the way that English folk magic does. However, although many Christian (and Jewish) practitioners make use of the Psalms in their work, there are also many secular folk-magic spells and affirmations that do not directly invoke a deity.

Check out Dr. Kioni's ever-increasing income spell for an excellent money affirmation:

http://www.luckymojo.com/spells/green/cashspells.html

Paco2 · Unread post by **Paco2** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:45 am

Just to clarify (and no intent to take the conversation away from Hoodoo...):

Puerto Rican Espiritismo makes substantial use of Allen Kardec's teachings in Spiritism, his "Coleccionario" [Collection of Selected Prayers - most of them culled from the "Gospel According to Spiritism"] is found in every Espiritista's altar or mesa blanca.

In fact, every "misa" [seance] is essentially done with prayers and poems from that book, with traditional hymns and songs from Afro-Caribbean Catholicism thrown in (like "Venid O Protector o venid, sed el guia de nuestra mision...").

Kardec's theories regarding the nature of spirits, "fluids", and obsession, etc. are also used in Espiritismo.

After that, some branches of Caribbean Espiritismo in the essentially adopt practices from Palo and other African-based religions such as Sanse /Misterios / Dominican Vodou and Santeria / Lukumi. This is, briefly, what Espiritismo is, at least in the Puerto Rican context.

Some Cuban writers suggest at least two modes of Spiritist practice in the Caribbean:

One ("scientific") is generally espoused by the [generally] white upper classes and was popular in earlier centuries. To this day, it is not rare to find moneyed persons who wouldn't have anything to do with "witchcraft" or the African Diasporic religions of Palo or Santeria, go visit an Espiritista.

The other is more openly African-influenced. A misa of this type can be confused with a Palo or Misterios ceremony.

None of them ever established churches as such. You either go to a "centro" [center] or visit a solo practitioner. But, to my knowledge, there never were established Spiritist "churches" in Puerto Rico. The centros are definitely more low-key than a church. So I wouldn't consider them the same thing.

I have a feeling the Spiritualist denominations in the US are quite different from Espiritista traditions in Puerto Rico.

That being said, I believe Espiritistas and Spiritual Church rootworkers have a lot of things in common and a lot more information they can share. We are talking about African-Diasporic traditions influenced heavily by Native American, European and in some cases even Asian traditions (and yes, there are Espiristas working with such diverse "spirits" such as the Hindu and Taoist deities Kali, General Huang Ti, Kwan Yin, etc.). That is why I find Ms. Cat's research and work priceless.

Unread post by **Mother Mystic** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:35 am

Has anyone hear ever worked with Saint Elijah? A client of mine has told me she was burning Saint. Elijah candles as a jinx breaker.

salmyrcrr · Unread post by **salmyrcrr** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:01 pm

I decided to do a spell myself.. I practice spells casting for about three years. Some spells I cast work some did not.. It been about two years since I have work any spells.

My mom got sick about two years ago and I went to church. As I want a be Christian in this church you are not suppose to practice any type of spell casting. If you do, they say you will go straight to hell. However, this part of me have never left me.

The way I met my boyfriend was through my mom (may she rest in peace). Ten days before she passed away she have told me to call him. (He have given me his number and I told her.) She seem please that he gave me his number.

After my mom passed away, I decided to take her advice and call him. One thing led to another and here I am madly in love with him. At first all was so rosy. However, after only being with him for three months he broke it off. Ever since than we been in a roller-coaster ride. Just last week he told me "not to wast my time thinking about him".

After five days of him saying those awful words to me he could not stop calling me. He left me tons of messages saying "sorry" (no spells, I just kept deep thoughts of him).

Right now we are back together again.. I am so tired of playing these games with him. So, I am going back to my spell casting days. I would buy one of the kit and take it from there, even if my Christian church would say it is not good. If it meant to be, which I know it is. We would be together. Thanks you for reading.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:07 pm

Mother Mystic --

In my opinion, Elijah is not a Catholic saint. He is Jewish prophet and miracle worker. The fact that Catholics have attempted to appropriate him as a saint in their religion is generally considered by Jews to be grossly antisemitic or an attempt to erase Judaism from the world.

See this AIRR page:

Elijah
http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/Elijah

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salmyrcrr,

Good luck with your spell-casting. I happen to know many Christians who do all sorts of magical work -- in fact, Jewish, Christian, and Muslim magic has a history of hundreds of years. So what you were told was true in the particular church you attended, but it is not the case in all Christian churches.

Anyway, i would recommend a combination of Love Me (to keep his love fresh) and Peaceful Home (because he is not yet peacefully settled), and remember to set yourself a timeline -- do not allow him to keep yourself on that ugly "roller-coaster ride" too long. If you cannot settle him down and get to a good, steady, peaceful, loving place with him within, then consider him a lost cause and move on.

Good luck,

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:03 pm

Maybe your guilty feelings (conscious or unconsious) about spell-casting, taught to you in your particular Christian church, are getting in the way of your success. Don't call it a spell; call it a prayer. The candles, oils, and other materials are tools to help you focus your prayers. I would suggest reading the Song of Songs, a beautiful book in the Jewish portion of the Bible about King Solomon's romantic relationship. You don't have to recite the whole thing; pick out a few passages you like.

You deserve a good man whether it is this one or someone else.

Unread post by **Tabbylove17** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:50 pm

Mama Micki is right. Don't let the word spell aggravate you because that's all it is, it's a prayer. Shes right you deserve the very best.

MaJiG_GarDen · Unread post by **MaJiG_GarDen** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:30 am

Hi everyone

My ex boyfriend who's a Muslim would be fasting due to Ramadan which is like a holy month (end aug to end sept) for muslim's where they sacrifice food...etc.. and attend mosques & generally just pray a lot. I am about to do a honey jar for him as well as a vinegar jar for him and ''girlfriend'' and if need be a break up candle! Anyhoo I was just wondering if him praying a lot would affect any of the spell work I am about to do. All advice and insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

salmyrcrr · Unread post by **salmyrcrr** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:49 am

My boyfriend is also Muslim and I want to do a love me spell however, I have the same concern you do. I was wondering if just swearing to Allah, our God, if he married me I convert to Muslim not just because I have to but, I will be a true Muslim ... I hope no one here think I completely lost my mind..

MaJiG_GarDen · Unread post by **MaJiG_GarDen** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:06 am

salmyrcrr,

I completley understand your concern Salmycrr but did he ask you to convert? I'm not a Muslim myself but I will never give up my faith for anybody. However as I have already mentioned is there anybody who knows whether the spells (honey jar/vinegar jar/break up/intranquil) would still be potent even if he's praying???

amandine · Unread post by **amandine** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:04 pm

that's odd how this topic is on my mind now too... now that i have experience with the "unseen" I'm really interested in going back to Islam and using my powers for ruqya.

MaJiG_GarDen · Unread post by **MaJiG_GarDen** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:26 pm

amandine,

can you elaborate what you mean by the ''unseen'' and whats RUQYA??

thanx

Unread post by **Literarylioness** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:59 pm

MaJiG_GarDen,

"Ruqya" is seeking healing by reciting certain sections of the Qu'ran and breathing over the ill person.

Mary

Lynda · Unread post by **Lynda** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:09 pm

salmyrcrr,

I'm totally no authority on this subject but I've studied Islam and lived in an Islamic envirornment for many, many years so maybe I can help with this question. I'm wondering what you mean by "swearing to Allah...." in the context of being married and converting. Being married to a Muslim does not make you Moslem, if that's what your'e asking, however, swearing to Allah with a pure inention to convert (I believe its three times) would probably be a start to converstion. Living your life based upon the laws of Islam would be what makes you Moslem.

As for doing a love spell while your ex is fasting, etc., it really isn't going to make a difference whether or not its done during Ramadan or any other time if he's truly very serious about his religion he would be praying and going to Mosque and doing all the other things that he's supposed to do all the time. In my own very humble opinion, its going to depend on you and how well you do your work

Lynda

MaJiG_GarDen · Unread post by **MaJiG_GarDen** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:33 am

hey lynda thank you for the reply... its so encouraging knowing i can still continue with the work!

salmyrcrr · Unread post by **salmyrcrr** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:15 am

Lynda,

What I meant to say, that I would convert for him if Allah, give me my wish.. My wish is to married and make life with my ex-boyfriend.. We broke up yesterday

salmyrcrr · Unread post by **salmyrcrr** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:06 am

salmyrcrr,

Good luck ! hope you get what you want

Lynda · Unread post by **Lynda** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:24 pm

salmyrcrr,

Ah, sorry to hear about the breakup.

I'm probably misunderstanding again, but are you saying you'd convert if your boyfriend asked you to? I do know lots of girls who have done that, sometimes it works out sometimes not. But before you think about converting ..... ask yourself if you would be doing that whether you get back with him or not.If not, then truly its not a good idea. Of course, it would make it easier for you as a couple if you did convert, however, doing so for another person, rather than yourself, can be challenging. Besides, the whole conversion thing is more of a family or personal issue - as a moslem guy, he can marry a non-moslem, but the children would be raised moslem. Also, some traditions within Islam allow "temporary" marriages wherein the couple simply declares their intetion for a certain period of time - a night, week, year, or years. Again, thats all on the guy, moslem women don't have the option in most cases

But as far as hoodo-type working, as I said before, in my opinion its going to depend upon how well you do your work. Also (and please know this isn't a slam on your boyfriend) he may not be as, lets say pious, as he appears to be even though its Ramadan. I know lots and lots and lots of people who fast, pray, and do everything they should do during Ramadan and live their lives quite differently at other times, if you get my drift. I'm not saying he'd be putting on a show or going through the motions, but if he were, he certainly wouldn't be the first one!!! In which case, your work should be even easier to have success.

Good luck - I've been where you are and I feel for you

Unread post by **Literarylioness** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:11 am

salmyrcrr,

Converting for someone else is the wrong reason to convert. I know tons of people who converted to Judaism, Catholicism, and Islam, with no lasting affects on the relationship. The families still did not care for the people who converted. It all depends on how the target feels towards his/her family. Some people are ruled by their families for various reasons.

Oh, and just being Muslim does not count. I know Persians who will not marry people of Arab descent, even though they are both also Muslims. I know Muslim Arab-Americans who will use American women for sex and promise them marriage, but import a "nice" Arab girl to marry.

Think long and hard about this.

Mary

Brida · Unread post by **Brida** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:46 pm

salmyrcrr,

Okay, take it from a Muslim ... to convert to Islam for marriage, or any other reason other than believing in the faith itself is a sin. PERIOD.

I have several male relatives who have married women of other religions, and my male relatives each gave their wife the choice to convert. They did not ask them to convert to Islam. They know that if they do ask them to convert, and the woman does only to be with him, then she is committing a sin, and he is committing a sin in asking her to convert. In Islam, a man can marry a woman who is Christian or Jewish. It is not required for them to convert.

There is a reason for everything, so be happy that you got rid of this guy who was more than likely just using you. I don't know the whole dynamics of the relationship, but I can tell you from experience...it is much of what it sounds like.

I will pray for you, and know that the best is yet to come for those with good hearts.

-Brida

mimiso · Unread post by **mimiso** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:03 am

Mary gave a great answer.

I'm also in love with a muslim boy and feel like i can't find anyone more compatible than him.

if you are familiar with Islam, you know that men are to respect their mothers right after God. They value their mothers more than anything, and if the mother doesn't want a girl, then I'm not sure why you'd want to join the family anyway. what's the point of marrying someone you 'love', and what they love is their family, and their family doesn't accept you? you would be the black sheep at every function and eventually, the religion and other family members will add stress to the 'love' feeling you had for him. it won't feel as fun or nice anymore.

i've been through your situation. just think of it all dynamically instead of just the small focus of how you feel for him. think of all that he loves and if for you to convert seems right, then for you it may be worth it.

good luck! just think it through

thoroughly

Brida · Unread post by **Brida** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:13 pm

Mary did give a great answer, and Mimiso gave a very insightful one. Mimiso is right. In Islam it is common thought that "The heavens lay at the feet of mothers." The mother comes first in a man's life until she passes, then it becomes his children..."wife on the pedestal' is not something that usually happens until late in their 60's and so on. I speak from experience when I say that a man's faith in Islam ususally goes in waves. There are times in which practicing is not so much center of attention, and then there are tidal waves (Esp. after children are born) where all of a sudden the beard starts to grow out, and constant demands of being a good mother according to his views becomes the issues in and out of the bedroom. I am so sorry you are going through what you are going through.

Mimiso is right, there are MANY men out there who have a lot of love to give. Use magic for the good of you, and all. If you use magic to tie a toxic love to yourself, then wouldn't that be considered self-destructive? I really believe that all people deserve to be with whom they love, but more importantly they deserve to be with one whom loves them more than they love themself. Esp. women. In general, it is women who break their hearts over the affection of a man. It is seldom that you see men breaking their hearts to get even the slightest attention of a woman. I am not saying there are not any really loving men out there, but in the Muslim world...let's just say, the majority of them will go back to home basics when it all boils down to what they want, and how they want to live their lives.

I was married to a Muslim man, who loved an American woman. After three years of marriage, the universe directed me in finding out that he loves this woman, and has loved her for many years before I ever came in to the picture. Btw, I am American, too, but by naturalization. He was with this woman for years before he came around my family asking for my hand. One thing that was great about our marriage, even though we both did not love each other was that we always had open and honest communication. I asked him why he married me. He told me that I was the most beautiful woman he ever saw, and that his family loved me dearly. I asked him if he loved "her." He said, "Yes, but I can't have children with her. She is not Muslim, and she will not be able to raise a family like you will." So, to make a long story short...I sat this woman down, and asked her about her true feelings for him, then I asked her if she really would sacrafice her thoughts, ideas on life, and lifestyle to be with him. Her answer was "Yes." So, I divorced him on the condition that the two of them get married, regardless of what his family says. They did get married, they have three beautiful children, and he is happy. She is sadly, not. Nevertheless, she is a mother now, and she has to think of her kids. I still speak to her, and offer her as much support as possible because I know his family well. The family has come around a bit in being really good to her, they are nice people. Though, tradition is tradition, and in time it can become a part of the nature of a person.

I am sorry this is such a long post. I just feel for you. I care for you as a woman, and I think you should be happy always; not just for a little while. Listen to the Universe, it does speak to us through magic. The Universe never fails to tell us what we need to know, and with all it's wisdom, the Universe tells us what we should hear, and not always what we want to hear.

Again, you are in my prayers.

hugs,
Brida

mimiso · Unread post by **mimiso** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:20 pm

Wow Brida, you're such a good person. A sacrifice like that isn't easy. but I know what you mean with feeling a fake kind of love.

Brida · Unread post by **Brida** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:53 pm

Thank you for your kind words, Mimiso. I don't see it as a sacrafice. I see it as letting two people who love each other be together. He did not love me the way he loves her, and I would like to live and love someone who does love me. What am I do with a man whose heart and mind is somewhere else? He is a great guy, and I pray for their happiness. Sometimes, we forget to give people the room to be human because we are so focused on what we want. We are not the only ones who exist. There is a difference between possession and love. In love, you want the happiness of that person. In possession, you are only thinking about yourself, and your feelings.

I don't believe that selfishness has a place in real magic. Real magic comes from the heart. It is the sparkle in the eyes, the aura that a person carries, and most importantly to serve God by serving those who in habit the universe.

Karma is true, do selfish magic, and it will come back to you. Do heartfelt and sincere magic, and it will come back to you. Intention is key! Intention is the power that ignites magic! So, intentions should be brooded over, and not acted upon instantly when it comes to magic. This is just my point of view.

hugs,
Brida

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:19 pm

Does anyone have experience with Chango Y Macho? Correct me if I am wrong here...He is one of the 7 African Powers and is the patron saint for orphans...

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:53 am

Paco,

Thank you for the overview on Kardecian Spiritism. That was good information. There are also other forms of Espiritismo that do not draw upon the teachings, methods or practices of Kardec -- for instance Mexican Espiritismo, which is derived from a blend of Jewish, Catholic, Spiritualist, and Mexican Native American concepts and practices. See more information on the several varieties of Espiritismo here at the AIRR web site:

Working Within the Spiritualist Tradition
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/C ... _Tradition

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Jwmcclin,

Chango Macho (no "Y" in his name) is the male (macho) apparition of the (male) African deified 4th king of the Yoruba tribe, who is venerated in Lukumi and Santeria. The land that Chango ruled is what is now Nigeria. His symbol of office and power is a double-bladed exe.

Saint Barbara is a Catholic woman who was martyred for her faith, slain by sword, and those who killed her died when lightning struck them. She is the patron saint of those in fear of lightning strikes, and of military engineers, gunsmiths, miners, artillerymen, armourers, and metalsmiths. She is always shown dressed in white and red.

In Cuba, among slaves of Yoruban descent who were combining their native religion with Catholicism to create the synthesized religion called Santeria, Chango's colours (red and white) and attributes (lightning, edged weapons) were associated with the pre-existing European (female) Catholic Saint Barbara.

Because Barbara was female, it became necessary to identify Chango's original African form as "macho." Chango Macho is not a "patron saint" in the usual sense -- he is one of the orishas or major spiritual entities of Yoruba religion.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:59 am

Thank you cat. I needed this information...I am studying the Saints and Chango Macho sparked an interest.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:46 pm

I searched the forum to see if this question has been asked before...Is there a difference between fast luck oils, satchet powder, incense, etc. and St. Expedite other than his sainthood? In other words the end result is the same right? Things done in a hurry...when you dont want procrastination...

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:58 pm

There is a difference in the way that you would work the spells. Fast Luck is a Hoodoo formula so you work with it like you would any formula. St. Expedite is a Saint and if you work with him you must pay him if/when he comes through for you.

take care,
Bri

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:29 pm

Thanks Bri. I was reading the simularities and wondered if you were to use Fast Luck supplies would a payment be required when your petition is granted. Although I understand the concept with St. Expedite, I just didnt see the differences on the surface.

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:15 am

Regarding the original question about casting a spell on a muslim during Ramadan;

If he recites Al- Falaq and An-Naas during his fast your work might be weakened. They are usually regarded as stronger if recited at Ramadan than any other time of the year, so it might be good to wait until it is over.
If you go to http://www.yronwode.org/ you will see an interesting text about the Surahs use in magic and could pick one useful in love work to recite during your own work to "override" his added protection.

MaJiG_GarDen · Unread post by **MaJiG_GarDen** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:43 am

thank you Johannes.. i continued with the spells i already was conducting before Ramadan and others i will begin once the mercury retrograde has finished.

what u said was very informative and i will definately read into it more. ramadan is now finished so i can continue with the work

zee_2 · Unread post by **zee_2** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:32 am

This is not directly related to answering your question but a very wise woman once told me that she had applied this wisdom to her life: it does not matter much how much you love him, what matters more is how much he loves you. For women their love is their entire life, most women are more faithful than men by nature ( biology and all that) but for men their love is only a part of their lives even if they are the most faithful of all men.

I am also Muslim , from the subcontinent, and I am very disillusioned by the hypocrisy of many Muslim families. Add to that the generation gap between present day muslim boys growing up in the US and their families' centuries old cultural expectations of them, and its a communication mess between muslim boys and their non muslim girlfriends.

Do u convert or not convert? For a muslim to marry a girl of Christian or Jewish origin, no she does not have to convert, but for a muslim girl to marry anyone of any non muslim religion he has to convert. Apparently this ensures that children will be muslim as inheritance is patriarchal.

I would recommend u think long and hard if u indeed want this boy back, and if you do then u 2 need to sit down and have an honest heart to heart about the whole conversion thing. Dont assume and dont try to read his mind. sometimes we just want someone because it bugs our egos that they can just walk away from us: so ask yrself if its love or its just hurt pride at being rejected.Been there , done that

Small spell I do to come to solutions: Light a white candle (tealight is fine) every night or day( but same time each day for 7 or 9 or 11 days) and same place every day, and write your question down, be careful how you phrase it: " ie "Should I do this spell for getting XYZ back?" or " Should I get XYZ back" or " is XYZ the one for me ?" ..try to keep the 'noise' down in the rest of your life, be in solitude as much as you can, try to give charity, do energy work, be out in nature as much as you can, and avoid meeting/calling/writing to the object of your question on purpose. Try to spend at least 30 minutes in quiet or prayer but do not petition for special result.Doing this right before you sleep is good too. Any tme of the month is fine. You will see dreams,you will experience coincidences, but give the spell atleast 7-11 days to come to a conclusion

Good luck, and may things work out for the best.

Brida · Unread post by **Brida** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:15 am

Asalamu alaikum Zee.

That was well said, and very much appreciated. I agree with you 100%.

JAK,
Brida

zee_2 · Unread post by **zee_2** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:52 am

Wa alaikum assalam Brida,

Thank you for the vote of confidence.
Have been through much in life myself and have learnt the futility of trying to bend other's will so they like you/love you...its doable but not lasting.
When one is in the throes of a breakup it is hard to understand that its better to walk away. No one telling you to do it makes sense, you need to do the trial by fire and hopefully come out stronger.

I learnt it the hard way, and without aid of magic or any kind of rootwork...sometimes the most enduring magic is the practical kind: action!!

So yes, I was rejected myself, but thanks to some excellent self help books and the love of my little girl, I literally clawed back up and decided not to have any relationships EVER again (I was 32 at the time!). I had a career, a great great daughter, and a supportive family (mom and sis). Thats more than most people might have.

Guess what: the minute i stopped worrying about men and all that relationship stuff I meet my present husband:and not to go into details but what a catch!

So i believe very strongly in the concept of first taking very good care of oneself: it sends the message to the universe that you are content and complete and that is a very potent attraction to content and good men...i did not do anything spectacular...just lots of self nurturing, reading good books, spending quality time with family, doing the best i could at work and striving for moments of pure happiness every single day..just stuff like that

just my two cents on what worked for me!

JAK...keep in touch
Z

Brida · Unread post by **Brida** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:16 am

Zee...

I think you met your soul twin...ME!

I will private message you.

hugs,
Brida

justaskingtoknow · Unread post by **justaskingtoknow** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:42 pm

I am new to this forum and new to these crafts. I seem to have a different religion than everyone on here so i was wondering do you have to believe in saints?

I hope i'm not disrespecting anyone or anyone's religion but i was wondering if i could add my personal touch when saying the prayers so that maybe its prayers to what i believe in?

Or would altering them to my views be considered disrespectful?

Thanks....Just wondering if you have to be Catholic to do these crafts?

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:58 pm

justaskingtoknow --

Most rootworkers are not Catholic, actually. Baptists are more common.

Also, you do not need to be Catholic to work with the Catholic saints. In fact you do not need to work with the saints at all.

If you are new to conjure I suggest you read this page: http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoohistory.html to get a feel for things.

justaskingtoknow · Unread post by **justaskingtoknow** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:16 pm

OH alright! thank you so much for the link, from what i can understand, the devil doesn't mean the "Christian devil" which is something that i had a problem with because i'm not too sure i believe in a devil that has red horns. To me i would want to alter a prayer by saying "the evil one" just becuase it's something i would be more comfortable with.

From what i see hoodoo is a mix of different traditions too which i like because there's somethings that i do like =D.

Thank you...oh and i was wondering, concerning the Catholic saints, are most of them taken from the Bible or do they mean something else to different people?

Thanks...once again, sorry if i seem ignorant, that's why i ask to know...

thelightfantastic · Unread post by **thelightfantastic** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:58 pm

justaskingtoknow,

Some of the saints are mentioned in the Bible, namely those who were Jewish Archangels and those who were disciples of Jesus, but most of the saints in the Catholic religion are Catholics who lived long after Jesus died and are not listed in the Bible at all.

You can read about Catholic saints at the link below.

http://www.luckymojo.com/patronsaints.html

Lucylookingskyward · Unread post by **Lucylookingskyward** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:09 pm

I've heard of people who use Hoodoo rituals and pray to different Gods and Goddesses. Hoodoo was primarily developed among Protestant Christians, but among Catholics, it's not uncommon to work around the help of Saints. Given that some Saints are the Catholic answer to Pagan Gods, I don't imagine it would be terribly out of line to work within the confines of your faith.

Good Luck!

DarkEmber · Unread post by **DarkEmber** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:22 pm

Hello Everyone,

I'm originally from Eunice, Louisiana (near Lafayette) and grew up with a strong current of Hoodoo in my family. My grandmother was a practitioner as was my mother.

I'm very interested in Hoodoo and would love to become a serious practitioner but I notice that Hoodoo uses a lot of Christian symbolism and I am not a Christian. Instead, I am a Satanist and would rather not use the Christian aspects of Hoodoo unless there is no way around it.

Does this preclude me from practising Hoodoo or are there ways around this?

Thank You!
Dark Ember

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:45 am

Well, DarkEmber, you can't really take out the Christian aspects of rootwork and still have rootwork at the end. It is a Christian folk magic system.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:27 am

DarkEmber,

Well, you can work general hoodoo methods and not use the Judeo-Christian Psalms, etc. It would not technically be traditional hoodoo anymore, but more hoodoo-based or hoodoo-inspired...but it will still be effective. I didn't use the Christian symbols for many years and always had success, so you can do it.

justaskingtoknow · Unread post by **justaskingtoknow** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:45 pm

DarkEmber,

I too am a Satanist (not a devil worshiper; that's not the type of "Satanist" I'm talking about).

Anyway, i know it would feel kind of weird working with Catholic Saints but a lot of Saints came from the Pagan religions (if you don't have a problem with Paganism, i personally don't) so to you they could just be a symbolism.

In working with the Judeo-Christian Psalms you can alter them so that they feel comfortable to you. If they say "Lord" you can imagine in your head "Lord" to be just any higher feeling or power or Satan (which to me of course means us and not an actual Satan incarnate).

I am an eclectic solitary Witch and am comfortable using different types of magick and feel that it's alright as long as you respect them all

Good luck!

DarkEmber · Unread post by **DarkEmber** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:36 pm

Thank you to everyone who answered my question. My feeling was that I could still do the magic without the Christian influence but I didn't know how effective it might be. I'm glad to see that some people say that the effect is still there even without the Christian beliefs.

Also, to the person who asked what 'kind' of Satanist I was: yes, I am what is known as a Theistic Satanist. That means I believe in the existence of a literal being that I worship. I am not atheistic like the Church of Satan. So, yes, I am what would be known as a 'devil worshiper'. However, I view Satan as simply a modern name for a much more ancient deity that pre-existed before Christianity so I'm not worshiping the devil of Christianity.

Thanks again everyone!

Dark Ember

caramel24 · Unread post by **caramel24** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:09 pm

Hi I would liked to know the difference between voodoo and hoodoo, .

Thank you

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:48 pm

caramel24 --

The difference between

Voodoo (a West African religion which exists in altered form in the French-speaking Caribbean island nation of Haiti)

and

hoodoo (the Christian African American folk magic of the US South)

Is described in my free online book "Hoodoo and Theory and Practice," specifically on the page called "Hoodoo History," which is here:

http://luckymojo.com/hoodoohistory.html

We need not take excursions to other lands when our own country is so rich in spiritual knowledge and practice.

Here is a song by Ina Duley Ogden, written in 1913, that i learned to sing in the Child Care Center in Berkeley, California, in 1953, sitting on the piano bench next to Mrs. Austin. It speaks to me of the treasures very close to home:

Do not wait until some deed of greatness you may do,
Do not wait to shed your light afar;
To the many duties ever near you now be true,
Brighten the corner where you are.

Refrain:
- Brighten the corner where you are!
  Brighten the corner where you are!
  Someone far from harbor you may guide across the bar;
  Brighten the corner where you are!
Just above are clouded skies that you may help to clear,
Let not narrow self your way debar;
Though into one heart alone may fall your song of cheer,
Brighten the corner where you are.

Refrain

Here for all your talent you may surely find a need,
Here reflect the bright and Morning Star;
Even from your humble hand the Bread of Life may feed,
Brighten the corner where you are.

Refrain

And here is the melody and now you can sing along:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6vPjcZCxg

Good luck.

zagone · Unread post by **zagone** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:23 pm

I'm contemplating when and how it might be possible to provide some covert assistance to persons who seem to be suffering what in the shamanic worldview would be considered soul loss and a need for extractions or a cutting of astral links to persons who have hurt them in the past. These are people who have typically been physically or sexually abused and seem drained and distant even years later.

With persons who are open to spiritual matters and of an agreeable worldview, they will sometimes see a shaman to take care of these matters. However, I'm concerned with several folks who don't believe in magic and won't (at least knowingly) be actively involved in anything of the sort -- they won't take a special bath, do a floor wash, etc.

I'm fairly new to Hoodoo (obviously) and I'm looking for ways to accomplish similar work for these folks covertly and remotely. I guess soul retrieval might somewhat corrispond to any jobs that strengthen the person? Maybe a Firey Wall of Protection would break links to abusers? Some of the cleansing baths would help (but I can't prescribe them).

I'm going to take my time, learn, and feel capable before attempting stuff -- but I would like to get pointers on what types of jobs to be looking at and maybe a more Hoodoo worldview through which such problems are viewed.

This forum is blocked through my company's firewall, so I may be a bit slow in responses as I can only login from home.

Thanks,
Zagone

caramel24 · Unread post by **caramel24** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:11 pm

Thank you Catherine