Hoodoo in Fiction Books Movies Film TV Television Shows Stage Plays

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:22 am

Social1978,

It is possible to tie somone's tongue. There are several authentic hoodoo spells for this

The Skeleton Key was a Hollywood movie, not a description of authentic hoodoo.

Miss cat was a consultant to the film.

Hope this helps.

Social1978 · Unread post by **Social1978** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:34 am

Hi,

I know the Conjure of Sacrifice isn't real, but what about the symbols? Where do you get this information? What were all these symbols? I never seen this before. Are they real? What is all this stuff?

If it is possible to tie someone's tongue -- How?

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:49 am

I just stated a tongue can be tied. You can shut someone up. Forget the movie, (it was great I liked it too, but it was a movie)

There are many ways to shut someone up, tie their tongue, make it where they can't speak:

Lucky Mojo Stop gossip for cackling hens in an office.
A Doll Baby with the mouth sewn shut
Beef Tongue for Court Case Work

Good luck.

Social1978 · Unread post by **Social1978** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:07 pm

Thanks for the advice. Does this physically shut them up or does it just make them not say what you don't want them too?

Also what about the symbols?

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:28 pm

I am new to this study and practice almost one year. If I do not know the answer, I will tell you I do not know the answer.

In the case of the symbols, I do not know. I will tell you this, I would not go "playing around" (and I mean this in a very kindhearted sincere way) don't go playing around and start doing things with ancient symbols you do not know or understand, any more than you should recite an ancient language without having COMPLETE understanding for what the symbols and language entails. This advice was given to me by one of the best people in the forum whom I respect greatly and now I am sharing it with you.

As far as shutting people up by tying their tongues, go through and search the recommendations and confirm for yourself the purpose of the one that fits your needs with regard to shutting up.

I am telling this to you because I want you to learn, not because I am avoiding your question. I spend hours a day every day on this site learning to have a better understanding. I ask questions too, and will continue to do so for many years to come. I hope this helps you.

Social1978 · Unread post by **Social1978** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:56 pm

Thanks for your patience Tammie. I hopefully can get some answers about the symbols.

I find them to be very intriquing. I want to know about the symbols because if they can make my spellwork stronger they would be welcomed. I wouldn't however use them if I didn't know what I was doing or have proper instructions.

Anyway I am learning as well. Are you studying just Hoodoo or everything?

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:03 pm

What symbols are you talking about?

Social1978 · Unread post by **Social1978** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:06 pm

There were symbols in the movie. One was a big circle. The book also had a ton of symbols in them. I think they are magical symbols. Just wondering where do you find these and how are they used in Hoodoo?

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:11 pm

If you are talking about the circles and sigils that the old woman had in her big ole book then they are inspired from the European roots of hoodoo and come from the grimoire tradition.

Hoodoo has ties to the old European grimoires and some conjure workers, going as far back as the early 1900s, did use various seals from grimoires like the Keys of Solomon, the 6th and 7th book of Moses and a few others. They had access to these books through mail order catalogues.

For your further education Miss cat has a free book online available that covers some of this history as well as the use of grimoires here: http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoohistory.html

Lucky Mojo also makes available similar seals here:

SEA-MOS-52PP Seals Moses 6th and 7th Books of Moses, 52 Seals on Parchment Paper, with Talisman Case $7.90
SEA-SOL-44PP Seals Solomon Key of Solomon, 44 Seals on Parchment Paper, with Talisman Case $7.25

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:15 pm

Look into the talismanic seals, Seals of Solomon, etc. You can find those seals here: http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatbooks.html#seals
You can find books about using them here, such as the 6th & 7th Books of Moses, The Key of Solomon the King, : http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatbooks.html#grimoires

Social1978 · Unread post by **Social1978** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:53 pm

Thanks for all the advice! I am eager to learn more about the seals and the LM products.

I can attest to the fact that I have had success with them and feel like I am opening a door to a new level a spirituality that I never new existed.

Thanks for the info Tammie. I was thinking that you were studying in her course or studying to be a practitioner. I think this would be a good way for me to help people today. Anyway I have to start with my self first. I will just make sure that I continue studying daily. I find it to be very enlightening.

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:59 pm

I am planning to very soon and am aspiring to be a practitioner. Several prerequisites to taking Miss Cat's Course. In addition, Miss Cat herself has to approve. One just can't sign up.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:40 pm

It's not hoodoo per se, but since conjure does have a strong element of African ancestral venerating traditions I thought it was worth a mention.

Last night on Paranormal State they were at a South Carolina prison that had been used to beat slaves into submission, or execute them entirely for insubordination. The PRS team was asking about the moral/ethical implications of a ghost tour company running very historically white-washed tours (they didn't mention the slaves being there at all and only talked about white inmates) in a place where so much pain was suffered by innocent people.

The next day a Yoruban priest showed up saying that his spirits had come to him to tell him to go to the jail and find out who was disturbing the spirits. His ancestors had come to him to compel him to go there! He explained that showing up and using the spirits as entertainment was extremely disrespectful, and in the African traditions they respected their dead. He had the team make an offering of fruit, water to cool the ground, and candles to the spirits of the jail to show respect and make peace.

The PRS team took the priest, called Dr. O to the ghost tour owner, and the owner agreed to hire Dr. O as a consultant to help his company be more respectful of the African spirits. They alluded to the fact that they were going to make sure to include information about the slaves that were kept and killed there to the tour, and also leave regular offerings.

So that was neat. It reminded me of the ghost tours that I took when I was in NOLA. Our guide brought offerings with her to every haunted site, greeting the spirits like people and friends with respect, and inviting them to show themselves or not as they pleased. It was nice to see the dead respected in that way, rather than treated as pure "entertainment".

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:34 pm

Hey that's interesting Devi--thanks for sharing!
Blessings,
Bri

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:48 pm

Thank you for sharing Devi!

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:27 pm

This sort of plot has appeared before, sans paranormal trappings. There was an episode of Homicide: Life on the Street that dealt in a similar way with the "whitewashing" of a historical site.

All such fictions are based on some hard truths, many of which have been corrected by archaeologists and docents in the South and East.

For instance, in the 1950s, when i was a kid and visited Mount Vernon, the home of George Washington, there was no mention by the docents that he kept slaves, and the old slave quarters had been eliminated. This was true of a number of other Southern plantations open to the public on tours during my childhood.

Nowadays, however, when you tour such sites, they show you the archaeological excavations of the slave quarters and explain the artifacts found there.

At Mount Vernon, for instance, a bundle was found in the old slave quarters that contained a raccoon penis bone.

There are no raccoons in Africa, but raccoon penis bones were commonly used as ritual objects among people of various Native American tribes.

Thus the implication of this penis bone bundle is that either George Washington had Native Americans among his slaves or that Native American folk magic had already entered African slave traditions through intermarriage and other social contact by the time that George Washington owned and operated his slave plantation in the 1700s.

Either premise is more interesting than the polite lie that George Washington had no slaves.

Unread post by **Azumi_chan** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:20 pm

Amazing post Devi! I love that show because they are very respectful of the spirits they come in contact with and also they get the spirits out of the home if needed and not just investigate and leave like other paranormal shows. ^_^

Unread post by **butchcomer** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:34 am

Everyone should see Soundtrack for a Revolution. I have never been so moved. If nothing else this film will show you how to pray your intent from the heart!

It's on Netflix for those that use that service.

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:47 pm

Thank you Butchcomer!

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:30 pm

I just saw an TV ad that was playing in the background, the tag line was "Wake up your Mojo", and it showed a couple getting married and was an ad for Orange Juice. The couple was getting into their car with the whole "just married" going on. Now this is some Hoodoo in The News and talk about smart advertising.
Hoodoo in Herb and Root Magic, by our Miss Cat Yronwode, includes many helpful things for us to know one of them is about "Getting Married and Oranges". Just thought It would be a nice share.What do you want to bet someone on that creative team knows about this book that we love and learn from?
http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodooherbmagic.html
Just thought y'all might like the share.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:24 pm

You are rather insightful Triplethreat! Thanks for the plug.

LaMarquise · Unread post by **LaMarquise** » Mon May 09, 2011 10:37 am

I started playing Her Interactive's Nancy Dree games when I was about ten, and have never kicked the habit. In their 2007 game, Nancy Drew: Legend of the Crystal Skull, set in New Orleans, Her Interactive includrd a few references to hoodoo.

Some aspects were fictionalized (namely one character's use of "hoodoo signs"), and others a little toned-down (hoodoo powders consisting of Sneezing Powder, Itching powder, etc.) But other aspects of the game touched on it rather well. They somewhat explained the practice of carrying mojo bags, the importance of herbal remedies (Nancy has the option of drinking one early on), and the importance of roots in hoodoo practice. In the garden, I noticed replaying it years later, there's actually a small bed planted intentionally with dandelions.

Of course, in the end it's painted as a silly superstition, but I have to say it was the first thing that piqued my interest. The Nancy Drew games have a large number of young Christian players who raised a stink over the inclusion of "occult practices" in the game anyway. What I found really amusing upon replaying it last year, however, was a reference NO ONE seemed to catch to another aspect of New Orleans life; vodou. One of the characters of the game is a member of a Mardi Gras Krewe that begins its meetings with the shaking of a decorated maraca while dressed as a skeleton in a moth-eaten suit and top hat.

Unread post by **aura** » Fri May 13, 2011 4:47 am

As I spend rainy afternoons knitting, there is usually a television series of the sci-fi variety playing as background noise on the computer. (Yes I admit - a true geek am I

LOL!) Recently, I came upon two references to Hoodoo others might be interested in:

X-Files; Season 5; Episode = Theef
The antagonist in this episode seems to be (albeit not called that) a root doctor. Use of graveyard dirt, goofer dust and poppets are prominent as well as the use of personal concerns to aim work at a specific party.

The Fringe; Season 2; Episode 5
Two of the protagonists move into a new apartment. The African-American FBI agent / lab assistant whom they work with brings them a housewarming gift for good luck of bread and salt.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sun May 15, 2011 1:29 pm

Interesting.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Tue May 17, 2011 9:19 am

Thank you so much for sharing those hoodoo sightings Aura! Great eagle-eye!

-Joseph M.

teaberryred · Unread post by **teaberryred** » Sun May 22, 2011 11:57 pm

Thank you Cat,
For all the time you spent bringing all the wonderful reading on this site.I am so lucky to be a member
and given the change to learn .

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:59 pm

Just to clarify:

The X-Files episode in question is indeed entitled "Theef", however it is Season 7, Episode 14. Just watched it tonight and while it was very, very, very sensationalized horror entertainment, it was interesting to see the representation of the poppet, personal concerns, graveyard dirt, goofer dust, etc. on television.

Thank you for the info aura! My wife and I enjoyed reliving a very cool episode of the X-Files!

-Joseph Magnuson

Unread post by **aura** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:27 am

Thank you for the correction Joseph! (Just goes to show that methinks its time for a major cleanup in the video archives of mine house...

)

Another few of sightings: this time in the series Supernatural. Keep in mind however that the series is aimed towards teens and it's somewhat reminiscent of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Therefore, again, the accounts and illustrations are

Joseph Magnuson wrote:very, very, very sensationalized horror entertainment

!

That said, one does see references to Van Van oil, goofer dust as well as the cross-roads ritual (full with a historical flash-back referencing Bob Johnson - no... they didn't quite get their history right

)

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:12 am

Thanks for sharing. The "itching powders" and "sneezing powders" you mention also bring back to mind the eternally present intersection between root doctors and medical doctors as well as herbal magic and herbal medicine. Medicated powders have been (and still are) used in the South and elsewhere to treat a variety of maladies.
Blessings,
Bri

Unread post by **carolina_dean** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:14 pm

Fausto,

She put the hair in the mouth of a snake, and then placed the snake's head in a wax coffin. In this case, we can assume that the snake is more like a voodoo doll for Louis and that perhaps she chose a snake as a symbol of his character. Louis' cheating ways would not escape a woman of her insight and its entirely possible that one of Louis' many lovers may have come to Elzora to get Louis to leave his wife. The symbolism of the spell is quite clear. She buries the wax coffin (with the snake head/hair) inside, in a graveyard "where all the Baptiste) are buried.

I personally have never used a wax coffin, however I've made use of mirror-boxes which have often been used in the practice of Hoodoo to send negativity in various forms back to a person who is directing it towards you. Some practitioners go a step further and bury the box in a graveyard after petitioning a willing spirit to torment the individual and keep him or her down.

WittyJackalope · Unread post by **WittyJackalope** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:54 pm

Carl's Jr. has an ad that I've only seen online (I watch quite a bit of late night TV, and this one hasn't shown up yet where I'd expect it to). The punchline is that you don't need luck to use their smart phone app to win prizes. However, what it shows is their Happy Star character demonstrating every sort of classic "bad luck" behavior out there. All set to "In the Hall of the Mountain King." I thought Cat might laugh at it. It's a pretty amusing piece of pop culture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgeAtmSQD10

I counted:
He doesn't forward the email
He knocks the horseshoe down so the "luck runs out"
He walks/prances under the ladder
He crosses a black cat's path
He breaks a mirror
He goes under the ladder again
He knocks over the canister of salt
He goes under the ladder again
He opens an umbrella in the house (3 times)
He steals the leprachaun's four-leaf clover and plucks the leaves off
Then he takes his lucky rabbit's foot and throws it over his shoulder
(annoying the leprachaun in the process)

nvme · Unread post by **nvme** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:21 pm

Too funny! Thanks for posting that! I see you posted this a while ago, but I just saw it just now... Thanks, I needed a good laugh today!
Warmest wishes from a fellow late night TV watcher,
nvme

serpentlight213 · Unread post by **serpentlight213** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:12 am

I have to say this, I am a GIANT Supernatural fan but I am bringing it up because it is the only TV show ive ever seen that talks, on occassion but lightly, about Hoodoo.

Unread post by **Joann Lee** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:18 am

I seldom see the following films mentioned in regard to African-American spirituality, but they are relevant nonetheless:

"To Sleep with Anger"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100791/

An old hoodoo guy comes to town and stirs up trouble for everyone.

"Beloved"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120603/

The spirit of a woman's deceased daughter returns as a tangible full-grown woman, with interesting results. A lot on ancestral spirits and ghosts here. Based on the Toni Morrison novel, I believe.

When I was walking out of "To Sleep with Anger," I recall a couple of smart young African-Americans commenting, "I don't care about all that old-timey stuff" (meaning Hoodoo).

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:23 pm

Thank you for posting this here. I was aware of these movies, as were most of the students of the Lucky Mojo Correspondence Course...but for the casual reader of just the forums, this was a wonderful addition! Thank you so much for sharing! Danny Glover & Oprah Winfrey always. So, so good! While not about Hoodoo in particular, The Color Purple is still one of my favorite movies...

elizabeth taylor · Unread post by **elizabeth taylor** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:48 am

This is funny

heartexalted · Unread post by **heartexalted** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:32 pm

Not that the writers were likely thinking of hoodoo when they wrote this scene, but I personally could not help making the association.
Click here

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:59 pm

Interesting! lol

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:48 am

I see what you mean.

pma · Unread post by **pma** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:45 am

I knew which scene it was going to be before I even clicked the link.

One of my favorites!!

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Mon May 28, 2012 11:26 am

I have always been completely surprised at how much Hoodoo made it's way into Supernatural...especially in any semblance of actual usage. Rare for "Hollywood."

Mister Lee · Unread post by **Mister Lee** » Mon May 28, 2012 4:29 pm

aura

Offering bread and salt is also an old Russian custom.

euphemia · Unread post by **euphemia** » Mon May 28, 2012 11:27 pm

Oh, so Supernatural has been mentioned! (I saw the TV thread had been updated.) I'm glad -- I am a HUGE Supernatural fan.

I'm into most of the spiritual subjects, beings, and/or belief systems they've explored or mentioned. After having "caught up" with the rest of the world on the series, I noticed there have been at least 3 episodes that were pretty hoodoo-focused. Otherwise, hoodoo practices are occasionally mentioned or utilized. I was particularly happy about the Robert Johnson/hellhound-on-his-trail episode.

Unread post by **aura** » Tue May 29, 2012 3:27 am

Thanks for sharing Terengo, I had no idea.

euphemia

That was a great episode. Insulting the boys cuz they didn't know how to use goofer dust & graveyard dirt, wondering what kinda of a grandma hadn't told them that.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Tue May 29, 2012 11:09 am

That would be Season 2, Episode 8, entitled "Crossroad Blues." It was a very good episode!

DeltaMoon · Unread post by **DeltaMoon** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:24 pm

Thank you for confirming that the "conjure of sacrific" was fiction ... lol That recording was really freaking me out! lolol Then when my niece and nephew came back from Louisiana family reunion singing Ako..Ako, I just about fainted! lolol!

jalink · Unread post by **jalink** » Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:50 am

I started playing Her Interactive's Nancy Drew games when I was about ten, and have never kicked the habit. In their 2007 game, Nancy Drew: Legend of the Crystal Skull, set in New Orleans, Her Interactive includrd a few references to hoodoo.

Some aspects were fictionalized (namely one character's use of "hoodoo signs"), and others a little toned-down (hoodoo powders consisting of Sneezing Powder, Itching powder, etc.) But other aspects of the game touched on it rather well. They somewhat explained the practice of carrying mojo bags, the importance of herbal remedies (Nancy has the option of drinking one early on), and the importance of roots in hoodoo practice. In the garden, I noticed replaying it years later, there's actually a small bed planted intentionally with dandelions.

Of course, in the end it's painted as a silly superstition, but I have to say it was the first thing that piqued my interest. The Nancy Drew games have a large number of young Christian players who raised a stink over the inclusion of "occult practices" in the game anyway. What I found really amusing upon replaying it last year, however, was a reference NO ONE seemed to catch to another aspect of New Orleans life; vodou. One of the characters of the game is a member of a Mardi Gras Krewe that begins its meetings with the shaking of a decorated maraca while dressed as a skeleton in a moth-eaten suit and top hat.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:52 pm

Hmmm...as I merged these two topics together it made me wonder...do jalink and LaMarquise know each other? ...and if so, do they work for the company that produces the Nancy Drew games!

Dee · Unread post by **Dee** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:37 am

That was cute! In my family, if you knock over the salt and don't throw any over your shoulder immediately....another family member will often gather a pinch and do it themselves. Sometimes we ALL will do it. Just to be safe LOL

Dee · Unread post by **Dee** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:50 am

I really enjoyed this movie and the hoodoo references. I wish there were more movies made like this!

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:50 am

Dee: I have seen this happen many times. Family members will run and try to "rectify the situation" for someone else!

angelael · Unread post by **angelael** » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:50 am

The United States of Hoodoo, http://hoodoo.stokedfilm.com/ , has been showing at film festivals, I guess. Thought it sounded interesting.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:09 pm

Nick Cave is in it!? Wow. Interesting. I will, of course, save my judgement until after I see it.

GirlOnFire · Unread post by **GirlOnFire** » Sat May 11, 2013 5:30 pm

I just watched the latest Dead Files episode. Amy Allen said something that I had never heard before aboutHoodoo. She had a house haunted by a powerful spirit who she claimed was a Hoodoo practitioner back in the times of slavery. She recommended that the woman contact a Hoodoo practitioner to "take the spirit" with them. That a practitioner would want to get the power from this spirit and keep her to make their own work more powerful. Is this really a tradition in hoodoo?

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sun May 12, 2013 12:04 am

"A tradition?" Well, to me it sounds like a conflation of English belief in locational spirits (house haunting ghosts) with the Voodoo idea of buying a spirit to work for you.

The concept of "keeping" the spirit, at least the way you described it (i did not see the show) sounds pretty thoughtless, as a piece of fiction, in that it seems to suggest that a modern African American practitioner would want to enslave the spirit of an African American slave.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Thu May 16, 2013 7:05 pm

I'm also with Miss Cat's assessment. Sounds like 100% pure entertainment to me.

GirlOnFire · Unread post by **GirlOnFire** » Fri May 17, 2013 4:37 am

You rarely hear the word Hoodoo on tv and films...so I perked up. I think most of those ghost hunt type shows are pretty set up and fake. But that's the recommendation that she gave a frightened family who had a very negative spirit in their home. I was like "huh?" lol oh well, can't believe anything ya see on tv these days! haha

Unread post by **papagee** » Fri May 24, 2013 9:13 am

While it was (of course) a horror movie, and they took it where they wanted it to go to achieve the "scary movie" effect, I did appreciate all the research done. They were so many tiny elements in the film that might be easily overlooked the first time such as:

1. Violet planting Trillium and Dixie John
2. Brick dust at the door
3. The baculum mobile "windchime"

4. Painting of Saint Martha just inside the front door.

Fun to watch, at least.

Papa Gee

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri May 24, 2013 9:55 am

potionsman--

Thank you for noticing MY contributions to the movie Skeleton Key. Everything you cited above was the result of my being hired as a consultant and working on editing the portions of the script that dealt with hoodoo. Lucky Mojo also supplied thousands of dollars of supplies for use on the sets -- including all of the coon dongs.

In addition, i was the one who suggested the use of the Solomonic symbols in the film with reference to the catalogue offerings of L. W. DeLaurence. I also suggested the use of the triple-snake-head ring, which the prop-master recreated from the images found in old DeLaurence and King Novelty catalogues which i supplied.

In the original screenplay, a cane, like a stage magician's wand had been the visual token used instead of the ring, and there were other visual indications that attempted to link the material to popular depictions of Haitian Voodoo. For instance, originally, what became the Solomonic seals were to be Voodoo veves, but once i came into the picture as a consultant on folklore and folk-magic, i supplied material that changed those visual aspects of the film., bringing them into line with the Southern United States practice of hoodoo. I was also responsible for the set decorator's use of Catholic statuary, and supplied photocopies of ethnographic studies of Lousiana Catholic hoodoo practices to demonstrate that the work would not have been in an African Traditional Religion such as Palo, Lukumi, or Vodoun, but would have been American hoodoo.

All of my visual suggestions were accepted, as was my contribution to the concept of the song material, for which i supplied several CDs documenting call-and-response singing (the screenwriter was unfamiliar with Black song styles and had written what amounted to a White hillbilly gospel piece).

I greatly enjoyed working on the screenplay and taking part in the development process -- and i only regret that the producers totally screwed me out of the promised screen credit which they had offered me. The shame is theirs for doing this, and for that reason i feel rather reluctant to speak up on my own behalf, as it might seem odd that i tell folks how much i contributed to the folk-magic aspects of the film (without violating its horror-movie premises) -- because people can always say, "Well, if you did so much, why is your name not on the film?" The answer to that is, honestly, that they violated their agreement to me. They paid me a lot of money -- but they "forgot" to credit me as the film's consultant and i am still angry about that after all of these years.

Perhaps some day i will scan a sampling of the screenplay pages with my notes and supporting visual documentation suggesting changes, and put them on line. I ought to, just to put these questions and comments to rest.

Unread post by **papagee** » Fri May 24, 2013 10:10 am

Miss Cat,

Wonderful - I knew somebody knew their business when it came to the details! The statuary throughout the house was also something I forgot to mention.

I almost said something about the symbols they used (as you mentioned) but the word "Solomonic" was escaping me when I typed the post. LOL The row of alligator heads (we say "gator" down here in the South) in descending sizes was also a nice touch.

I have a good friend who is a screenwriter. She has many horror stories about people getting overlooked - not to mention her own name being left out of credits on more than one occasion.

Looking forward to our interview in June in anticipation of becoming one of your students. Hope you liked the big box of soap I sent out before the workshops. If I couldn't be there, I at least wanted part of me to be.

Papa Gee (Greg)