Ethics and Moral Justifications for Spell Work

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:33 am

Even though you say you can't get your own place, work on it. Use Prosperity and Money Stay With Me to build up your business and bank account. In the meantime, work with Archangel Michael and Fiery Wall of Protection to deflect his cursing. You can also cleanse yourself with 13-herb bath and the house with Chinese Wash. Your father is using religion to justify his shameful behavior, but I suspect he is mentally ill or suffering from dementia. He needs to see a doctor.

He also hates the one covering his garment with violence, says the LORD of heavenly forces. Malachi 2:15

Freja · Unread post by **Freja** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:18 am

Thank you Mama Micki for responding and your insight. It is bizarre and has always been an area of fear and torment since I was young as he has always been self-righteous in his own head. Yes, you are right.I must really do "the work",focus and get my own place. I've such sense of grounding and saftey when I use archangel Michael. Also I wanted to ask, in your opinion from what I've written, is it possible that he let's in 'other spirits' when he's invoking, binding or doing whatever it is he's doing?

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:14 am

Freja,

The advice given is good. Ethics would place your spiritual safety as a priority, even though this is your father. God does not condone verbal abuse, even when based in a false belief in hierarchical domination by males over females and parens over children. Moving on and out of the house would be your best and cleanest course of action, so, if i were in your place, every prayer i made for protection would include the addendum that i am doing this (protection, binding) only for a little while, until i find my own safe, welcoming, and pleasant home. Use Queen Elizabeth Root to strengthen this side of the work, both the whole root and the powder to add to sachets and incenses.

I would add that Banishing may not be the best choice in your situation, as you cannot banish your father from his own home short of sending him to the hospital or the graveyard. Instead, focus on protection of your own room from invasive vibes, on peace in all shared spaces (such as the kitchen and living room), and on prosperity for yourself.

Good luck!

Freja · Unread post by **Freja** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:12 pm

Thank you ladies. I feel much better, little more confident and saner now I know what to do. lol.

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:46 pm

You've gotten some wonderful advice in this thread.

Since this is your own father, and the Bible says, "What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion?" -- well, Stop Gossip is your friend. Because he's certainly slandering you to the Lord, isn't he?

Best of Luck,

Miss Michaele

(That's Luke 11:11-12, btw.)

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:09 am

I'd also suggest using Healing products for yourself, and working with Archangel Zadkiel, the angel of emotional healing. Lucky Mojo Healing supplies have a picture of an angel on the label.

Freja · Unread post by **Freja** » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:52 am

Yes i will thank you. In my heart,because I'd been dealing with his behavior over the last year, (all my life)I did want to do banishing or place him in jar, burying ... Anything to help myself.But --he's my father. And if I hadn't found his curios and such around the house, I'd never know what hoodoo or root working was until I came across lucky mojo page and plethora of information. And if I hadn't been up late studying,I wouldn't have known to what extent he was using his words and my photos against me.
I think I'm a kind good hearted person and enjoy healing and helping people no that i left corporate career.So as I said,it was with great sadness to post... But I'm so...relieved I did and very grateful for everyone's insightfulness into my situation.

fantasma79 · Unread post by **fantasma79** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:57 pm

Recently, a friend of mine came to me seeking help with a situation regarding her husband. Before I begin, I should mention that the following people are all friends of mine.

In a nutshell, Friend "A" is married to Friend "B". Their marriage is on the rocks, and has been for a while. Friend "A" and Friend "B" also have a child together.

In the midst of their problems, Friend "B", the husband, has been spending A LOT of time with Friend "C" who is female. This has caused more issues for Friend "A".

Friend A wants the marriage to work and is committed to doing some work to help make it happen. She does not want her husband to have anything to do with Friend C.

Without going into too much detail, Friend B and C are behaving in a manner that isn't really appropriate, though as of yet I don't believe anything physical has happened.

So the question in this messy situation, is how can I best help Friend A, who has come to me?

I don't know that there is much that can be done to save the marriage, but I don't want to influence the outcome for them.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:08 pm

It's up to you whether or not you do any work. If you "don't want to influence the outcome for them," then let her know.

Unread post by **Miss Phoenix** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:24 am

I can really empathize with this situation. I've been in almost the exact same predicament and I would suggests that a good old fashioned conversation needs to happen. Since you are friends with all parties involved, maybe you could talk to the husband and see what is going on, what he is feeling, what he wants. As a concerned friend you may be able to help the situation without involving magic. Sometimes the best way forward is the simplest.

Best of luck!

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:57 am

I agree with Mama Micki -- don't do the work if you don't want to influence the outcome -- and i agree with Miss Phoenix as well, because i too have been put into this predicament, in which my services were sought, as a friend, to drive away a rival of a wife whose marriage was already on the rocks when the rival appeared. In my case, i subtly felt that the wife, anticipating the split to come, had pre-selected me to be "her" friend (that is, to work against the husband) and also was asking me, as a friend, to perform a spiritual spell that i was pretty sure would not succeed, somehow further enmeshing me in her business and linking me to the outcome of the spell.

I brooded on this for several days, and finally came up with a solution. She was not 100% happy with it at first (she had wanted more), but she accepted it, and i did do the work at no cost to her, so she would not refuse it. In the end she was happy with the job i did.

The work was based on a spell i had cast when my own marriage to the father of my child was breaking up. It had succeeded for me, and i thought it would succeed for her as well..

I told her that i would do a spell to keep her, her husband, and their child united on a spiritual basis, even if a divorce were to go through. I said that i would work for the higher good of reinforcing the impulse that brought them together in the first place and led to the birth of their child.

I did a simple hair binding spell (common in the folk magic of many cultures, not just hoodoo), braiding and thread-wrapping their hairs into an elaborate plaited packet. I gave her the packet to keep. I told her that no matter what transpired, the other women could never be part of this packet uniting her, the father, and the child, and that no third party could ever break the familial bonds that tied them.

I told her that this was the best and the most i could do for her under the circumstances. She accepted the offer, i did the work, and they did eventually divorce, but he remained a good father and they preserved a civil relationship. Both eventually remarried, by the way.

This may not be what you choose to do, but it was helpful for me, in the social sense that it preserved my friendship with her, and it was helpful for them, in the magical sense that it did bond them as a family on an unbreakable spiritual level beyond that of the marriage itself.

fantasma79 · Unread post by **fantasma79** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:08 pm

Thanks so much to all of you for your advice! Miss Cat, the hair spell you suggested seems like just the thing. I'm pretty certain that this situation will not end with a continuation of the marriage, but that's a great counter offer that I think will make some sense to her.

MoonSunStar · Unread post by **MoonSunStar** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:17 am

Hi,
I really don't understand what is good intention and what is bad intention. What I feel is good intention may be bad intentions in your eyes. How can a crossing/revenge spell be justified? I see that there's a lot of people wanting to take "revenge" on someone...What they're doing, won't it backfire on them at all? Doing harm to repay harm is still harm/evil no matter what reason...Are there no Karma laws in hoodoo?

Unread post by **aura** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:24 am

Hi MoonSunStar,

I've merged your post into the long thread already existant on the subject. I suggest you read through it for differing opinions on the subject.

But short answer to your final question: no, there is no ''karma'' in Hoodoo nor any ''three-fold law''. Work is either justified in the eyes of God or it's not.

illogicalcrocodile · Unread post by **illogicalcrocodile** » Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:28 am

Is it true that if you ask for money, it will be taken away from you quickly? Or that you will somehow need to give back just as much as you receive?

Are there any ethical problems with asking for money? Is it considered selfish?

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:13 pm

Hello, Again, Illogocalcrocodile,
I've never heard of this before. There are so just so many cultures with different philosophies and hard to keep up with all of them. I'm just not quite sure if this is a Hoodoo belief.
But, if you're concerned about it, Money Stay With Me oil will prevent that from happening.
Find it here: www.luckymojo.com/oil-money-stay-with-me.html
Take Care

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:06 pm

Do you mean asking a person for money, or doing magical work for money? If you mean money magic, no need to feel guilty. We all need money to live and to fulfill our life's purpose. As Miss Aida recommended, Money Stay With Me will help you save money and build up your bank account. I like Wealthy Way too.

Unread post by **Susan Barnes** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:15 am

Hi Illogocalcrocodile,

I've never heard of this either. Nor have I heard that you must give back as much as you receive.
I'm not sure what you mean by if there are any ethical problems asking for money.
Selfish is a label, only you can decide if the label fits or not.

If you want to ask someone for money. Here is a strategy that might be helpful:
1. What is your intention for the money? LM Clarity products might be of use here. http://www.luckymojo.com/oil-clarity.html
2. Pray to God for the person to be open to you. Tithe to a church, Temple or a spiritual place you like. Or help out at a charity. I volunteer at a Homeless shelter here. It costs nothing but it contributes a lot.
3. Attraction is great. http://www.luckymojo.com/oil-attraction.html
4. What can you offer the person you are asking? It helps if you sweeten the pot by offering to help them with the computer, social media, whatever you do well. Help out in their store or business. And be sure to follow through.
5. Don't make it a habit to ask for money. Our habits become who we are.
6. If the person says no, ask them for advice about how they became a success, thank them and move on to someone else.
7. Check out a TV show called, Shark's Tank. People ask wealthy business people to invest in their product. It is a good example of what works when asking for money and what doesn't and why.
8. Be a great example, or someone who helps out and you just might be given money by someone watching your behavior and being impressed by your actions.
9. If you want to make a living for yourself, take the HooDoo Rootwork Correspondence Course given by Catherine Yronwode. You'll learn how to become a rootworker.
10. Read, Valentina Burton's book, The Fortune Teller's Guide to Success. This book can be applied to most businesses because it is well written and based on solid, smart business tactics. The book is sold online at the LM website.
11. If you can, get a reading by a reputable rootworker at Hoodoo Psychics or AIRR.
PS Sweetening the person to you: http://www.luckymojo.com/honeyjar.html
And other spells you can check out: http://www.luckymojo.com/catspells.com
If this is about you or a friend, give us an update!
Best of luck to you!

Unread post by **Susan Barnes** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:20 am

Oops, forgot to list the Hoodoo psychics link!

www.hoodoopsychics.com
1-888-4-HOODOO

Unread post by **Miss Phoenix** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:31 am

In some of the communities that I am involved with people have different ideas about money, asking for money, or even charging money for teaching or magical services. This has never made sense to me. Money is just another form of energy (imo) and if you expend energy to teach someone, do a reading, complete a spell, etc. you should be compensated for that energy. Money is just one of the many forms of energetic compensation.

There is a lot of hang ups and anxiety around money, but if you use the guide that Miss Olivia has outlined you should be just fine.

Best of luck!

Unread post by **Susan Barnes** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:40 am

illogicalcrocodile,

You asked if it was true when you ask for money would it be taken away from you quickly. After thinking on this question further, I wonder if you heard this from a person who was speaking about St. Expedite?
Here is some interesting information for you on that topic.
http://luckymojo.com/saintexpedite.html

Many Blessings!

Unread post by **Mary Bee** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:10 pm

Money is not evil. it's what you do with it that counts.

illogicalcrocodile · Unread post by **illogicalcrocodile** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:59 am

Thanks everyone! I meant doing money magic, not asking a person for money in payment.

On another site, they made it sound like receiving money through magic is not even worth it because it would be taken away you somehow to restore balance. It made me wonder how getting money through magic is different from getting money through other means because obviously, some people have more money than others.

How come they don't need to give as much as they receive to restore balance?

I don't see how it is different because like, if you use magic to win some money gambling, you're not taking the money away from anyone.

No one earns the money they win gambling.

It's all luck anyway so how is using magic bad?

Or maybe your boss wasn't paying attention to you, but magic helped them notice you and give you a raise that you deserved anyway.

It didn't really make sense to me so maybe it is not true.

Unread post by **aura** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:22 pm

A couple of Forum threads that you might find interesting with regards to the ethics of magic are the following:

ethics,-"black-magic,"-karma,-moral-jus ... 13051.html

can-spells-back-fire,-blow-back,-revers ... --t40.html

be_777 · Unread post by **be_777** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:07 am

I was curious how does Deuteronomy 18:9-12 fit in to the picture with rootwork? I'm confused. Any thoughts from practitioners about this issue?

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:07 am

Hello be_777,
This is a very complicated question and really not a subject for the forum.
If you want to discuss this in detail, PM me.
I will say that a few sentences in the Bible does not negate volumes of other versus and entire stories in the Bible.
I am going to edit your post so that it does not cause a heated discussion (which will force me to lock the topic).
Again, if this is really bothering you, just PM me and we can discuss this privately
Have a great day
Take care

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:13 pm

This is not a Forum on religion, although the hoodoo tradition includes using the Psalms and other Bible passages. One can probably find a Bible passage for or against any work or practice. There is the whole Mosaic code, which includes dietary laws, for example.

MoonBreath · Unread post by **MoonBreath** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:12 am

Hello everyone. I am asking this here, even though it has to do with candles, because of what I feel may be the core issue - ethics. Since I am so new to this, I wanted to get opinions from seasoned pros to see if I am on track.

I burned an orange candle last night to protect someone from gossip and baneful speech. I had carved on the candle with a toothpick "protect ___ from gossip". The candle was sprinkled with clove, slippery elm, and alum. It burned brightly. As it was burning, ( I hope this doesn't sound too crazy) I felt like guardians of the folks doing the gossip against the person I was trying to protect, came around me ( no, I can't see or hear spirits, but I got that distinct feeling ). I felt multiple presences and said aloud in my room WHY I wanted them not to talk bad about the person. I basically stated my case and my wishes for the situation in hopes they would understand. As I said the candle burned brightly.

This morning, I fixed another orange candle with cloves, slippery elm, and alum, but added a petition paper with the trash talkers names and birthdays. Over that, I wrote "Don't talk bad about ____". I carved nothing into this candle today. The candle is barely burning today AND the person I am trying to protect got a bad stomach bug this morning.

So, do you think the trash talkers' guardians were mad I used a petition paper to specify them, when before I just said " protect _________ from gossip." ? By the way, these folks have a right to be angry at the person I am protecting, but they had told the person they forgave them ... THEN started talking bad about them and trying to break up their relationship. The person I am protecting made a stupid mistake, felt awful, then came clean, apologized sincerely, and asked forgiveness. These folks agreed to forgive the person. Now they are back-stabbing and spreading poo - where is the forgiveness? Gossip and slander are sins too!

I am getting the feeling I am justified in protecting the person ( who has done everything they can to make things right), but NOT to specify the names and birthdays of the people who have a funny way of showing forgiveness. I didn't curse or hurt the gossip people, I just wanted them to shut up. What do ya'll think? The difference in the candle burn is dramatic!

Thanks in advance for any insight you can offer.

MoonBreath · Unread post by **MoonBreath** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:48 pm

Update: when I finished asking my question, I checked the candle and it was burning a little bit better. I went and had lunch and came back and now the flame is burning strong again. It's almost like telling ya'll made the problem resolve. Guess I'm a big, fat tattletale. That being said, I would still appreciate any input about the situation in general.

I feel justified in protecting this person. They made a mistake, but did everything they can to make things right. Other people who forgave them are acting like nothing happened and are content with moving on. It is a sharp contrast with the ones who also SAID they forgive, then stopped talking to the person and started gossiping behind their back.

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:55 pm

Hello, Moonbeath,
I think you've made a pretty good diagnosis!
I think I would add another candle to this ritual that represents not only your friend (and use fiery wall of protection on that candle. as well as Fear not to walk over evil).
www.luckymojo.com/fearnottowalkoverevil.html
I'd make other candles to represent them with Stop Gossip oil
www.luckymojo.com/stopgossip.html
I'd even have those other candles facing the protected candle. www.luckymojo.com/fierywall/html
With a ittle role playing, It may change the behaviors o the other candles.
Just my thoughts.
You sound like a WONDERFUL friend.

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:58 pm

MoonBreath, you're a good friend -- but the situation you describe only after the second candle is one where nobody's completely in the right. It does look like your friend got stung by the spiritual allies of the people s/he offended -- and maybe she deserved it. Reminds me of the time someone tried to kick me after I got a little too close to her while riding my bike. Neither of us was injured, but she violated my personal space in a very insulting manner. So I muttered under my breath, "You're going to be hurt just as much as you hurt me, but no more."

You might want to follow up with some wisdom and peace work all around -- Clarity and Tranquility on a white or blue candle. Spread the powders where they will step in them, if you can.

Hope this helps,

Miss Michaele

MoonBreath · Unread post by **MoonBreath** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:37 pm

Thank you for writing back Miss Aida and Miss Michaele. I will look into the suggestions and will certainly continue to try and help this person get past this mess. Yes, they deserve blame and have to take their lumps because they were at fault, and i understand the concept of doing penance. They understand and expect that as well. What irked me was the mean spirited talk and meddling AFTER everything was supposed to be forgiven and settled. That was the ethical question for me. There is now fault on both sides.

I will ask these unseen guardians to please help their charges back off and let my person prove themselves and turn over a new leaf. All of us have done stupid things before and regretted it. I wish no ill will toward the trash talkers ... I just want them to back off and hush. I sprinkled slippery elm in the corners of my person's room and in their shoes. I also told them to keep praying to St. Michael for protection. I will need to order some of the other things ya'll suggested. And I will give an update should anything "interesting" happen. Thanks again.

MoonBreath · Unread post by **MoonBreath** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:28 pm

Well, something "interesting" happened not long after I started another little candle like the 1st one. No petition paper, no mention of names & birthdays, only the words "protect ______ from gossip" carved into the candle with a toothpick. I lit the candle, said my prayers, and left the house to run some errands. It is sprinkling outside and the streets are wet. As I was coming home, almost there in fact, my car hydroplaned nearly sideways down a boulevard. I did NOT lock up my brakes or run through water AND I have 4 new tires less than 6 months old ... but off I went! As I was sliding closer to a stopped car in front of me, there was a 'bump" like I hit something and I suddenly stopped. But there was nothing there. I have to assume God or a guardian angel physically stopped my car before I could hit the stopped car. I immediately felt attacked, but was very grateful to whoever saved me.

Wow. I feel like every time I do anything beyond a simple prayer ( like: light a candle ), it is getting someones' attention and they do not like it. I feel threatened or perhaps ... warned, but I still feel justified to protect my person from the vitriol they are getting since being told, "oh we forgive you". Can it possibly come to having to put bay leaves around a stop gossip/protection candle? I am NOT cursing anyone. I don't understand. It's like the trash-talker's spiritual allies are telling me ...'Oh yes, your person is going to catch hell and you better stop interfering." Could it be these "friends" who "forgave" my person are actively trying to throw something nasty?

Ethically, is it common to be contacted/attacked if you are working on someone's behalf? I have Run Devil Run Oil; should I add that to the protection candles or would that escalate things? In the past, I have been hit when using that oil. It makes the nasties MAD. I am just trying to protect someone here .....

Unread post by **JayDee** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:34 am

Moonbreath, you clearly have signs coming down but are not adhearing to them. I would not keep doing the same work if this is the results you are getting. One of these people may be working activily against her and you are seeing that when you try to stop the gossip. Does the person know you are helping them? Would they be open to some spiritual work? If so I would have them take a fiery wall of protection bath, wash her home down with chinese floor wash and then use fiery wall to mark her windows and doors to protect her. If I were you with all these negative reactions I would also take a cleaning bath in hyssop then fiery wall and make a protection mojo and wear it when doing work. A personal story i have had great success with wearing stop gossip oil and putting slippery elm in my shoes when faced with a lot of back biting gossip. Last suggestion is that you can stick your friend and these other individuals into a honey jar and burn white or pink reconcilation candles on it praying to bring a forgiveness of the friendships.

MoonBreath · Unread post by **MoonBreath** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:01 pm

j82, thank you for the suggestions. I like the honey jar idea. Yes, the person knows I am trying to protect them. I have put slippery elm in their shoes and in the 4 corners of their room. I also spiked their body wash with Jinx Killer bath crystals, Uncrossing, & Cast Off Evil Bath Crystals and a dab of Chinese Wash - and they are aware. Perhaps I should spike my own body wash considering what has happened ... I just never expected all this from trying to protect someone.

As far as signs telling me to stop burning the stop gossip/protection candles ... I still feel justified in protecting this person. Am I misunderstanding the signs? Ethically, if I forgive you and say we're still friends, then proceed to talk trash about you and tear you down behind your back, then I would be doing wrong. That is what the "forgiving friends" are doing to my person. I thought if the work was justified before God, it would be ok. How can trying to protect someone from gossip and slander not be ok? I don't understand.

Unread post by **JayDee** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:50 pm

moonbreath, thanks for responding im glad the friend knows and is part of the work. Spiking a body wash does not substitute a real bath in the hoodoo tradition. Id really press for you and the friend to do a real bath. You may feel justified for the work but did you do a reading to see if its justified? The heart will lead us astray hence we are warned in the bible to not follow it so justified is an issue that needs to be answered IE why are you justified and how did the friend fix the wrong? You left this major detail out. so ill give an example I have an ex who cheated on me apologized but stayed with the person they cheated on me with, that's not an apology that's a let me get by free card. His bad luck and relationship didnt end till he meant it and did the action (ending it) to remove the situation. So if this friend says she is sorry but still lives in the sin then she is lieing and hence the work is not working. Ethically if you say you are sorry then you show it and if you dont then its no different then a friend saying one thing and doing another. You ask about God and justified..well a reading tells if you are justified not your thoughts or moral view . IE I think murder is wrong God said its wrong but an abused person who murders is justified. Does your friend live up to that standard of justification? I think you need to look at the work differently because the approach you took is not working and showing negative signs. The whole stop gossip is not a hit try another approach, id go either sweet with honey or bend over with licorice

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:12 pm

Hello, Moonbreath,
Something's rotten in the state of Denmark!!
Clean your house and yourself! PLEASE!!!
Chinese wash on your house www.luckymojo.com/chinesewash.html
Followed by Tibetan Ghost Purging Incense www.luckymojo.com/tibetanghostpurgingincense.html
Followed by a 13 day bath for yourself www.herb-magic.com/13herb-bath-13.html
And, of course, the Fiery Wall of Protection
If this were me and I was a beginner, I would STOP everything I'm doing to help your friend. Take care of yourself and let this go!
The best thing for your friend to do is to have an AIRR worker get rid of the mess that your friend is in. Right now, we have no idea what entity is doing all of this to you. And this is not good. I am very suspicious of all that is happening to you. Getting an AIRR worker to help is the best thing that you can do for your friend http://readersandrootworkers.org
Again, PLEASE take care of yourself FIRST..
Wishing you the best

MoonBreath · Unread post by **MoonBreath** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:28 pm

j82: Thank you for writing back. My person is not continuing in the sin. They went to each offended party, admitted guilt and apologized, then asked forgiveness. Each party said, "I forgive you." This is not a situation where my person can make restitution or anything like that. All my person can do is prove themselves to these people over time. Everyone is content to move on, acknowledging that we all make mistakes except 1 offended party ... who obviously LIED when they said "I forgive you." The trouble is coming from that 1 party AND, (now get this) ... someone who wasn't even involved in the original situation, a busy body who stepped right in the middle of everything. The busy body ( who my person didn't do anything to ) has now involved their family .... So my person ( who has done everything they know to make things right ) is horribly outnumbered.

Did I do a reading to see if protecting my person was justified? No, I did not. The situation seemed pretty cut and dried to me.

Why would God be offended for me trying to protect a person in this situation? I don't see my resistance as proof the work is unjustified, so much as maybe curses ARE being thrown at my person and my work really IS helping to shield them. What do you think?

Miss Aida: Thank you for writing back too. I have not burned another candle since the day of the car incident and I have stepped up protection for myself and my family AND the person I am trying to help. If anything, the car thing makes me mad!

Is it common to be attacked when doing work on another person's behalf?

I greatly appreciate everything you and j82 have said. I have a lot to think over.

MoonBreath · Unread post by **MoonBreath** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:21 pm

Update: I didn't do another Stop gossip / protection candle after the car incident as per j82 and Miss Aida's cautions. All I did was continue to pray for the desired outcome.
Yesterday, I burned a little candle with Van Van & Attraction Oil and a touch of cinnamon sugar. I carved my person's name, and their immediate family members names with a toothpick and the words "good luck" on the candle. I prayed that bad luck be turned to good luck, good friends, and prosperity AND that any blockages be removed. So, as instructed, I changed gears a bit.

Yesterday evening my person lets me know that the false friend spewing so much hate came up to them and apologized. The busybody person stayed away from my person too.

So, even with everything that happened, it looks like the stop gossip candle worked anyway!

I am stunned after all the drama, but very pleased. Thank you God! My person deserves a chance to move forward and put the mistakes behind them. It is time for everyone to heal. Thanks again j82 and Miss Aida for all your help.

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:12 pm

Congrats, MoonBreath!!!
So happy for you!
I have to admit, you had me worried there for awhile. Now, all I can say is: "WHEW" !!!!

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:04 pm

MoonBreath,

I'm so glad that shift in emphasis brought you the resolution you wanted. Sometimes underlying issues are misdiagnosed, and then you end up beating your head against a brick wall. You discovered the end of the wall and stepped neatly around it

Nice work – congratulations

Miss Michaele

MoonBreath · Unread post by **MoonBreath** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:44 pm

Thank you Miss Aida and Miss Michaele.

rocksandplants · Unread post by **rocksandplants** » Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:41 am

I wanted to share my experiences with "karma". (yes i know , it is not part of hoodoo. hoodoo is a tremendously powerful set of beliefs and methods, i practice all witchcraft traditions and respect their various beliefs)

I have used love spells on people in the past, both domination to keep an ex around (which really, really backfired because she is quite skilled, and backfired on her because used one to catch me in the first place) and general attraction.

In my experience, it is not so much karma, the rule of threes or the wrath of god that comes back to us but our own actions returned to us. I could get into all kinds of specifics but that is what i have experienced.

I have used cleansing, reversal, mirror boxes, lodestones (and have learned all that actually works from this website, trust me, cat and the moderators do know best when it comes to hoodoo and what is real, repeatable and effective) hexing, even to the point of burying sociopaths with witchcraft. I have dabbled in every form, tradition, and crystal and botanical that i could get my hands on. I have summoned storms large enough to flood entire cities, and have also seen those same storms bring in record crops for the local farmers.

To me, our own belief structures are what determine how our own actions are returned to us. Our own state of mind determines what we create, and its return on us. Someone who doubts their ability to affect things using magic will have pitiful results. Sociopaths who lack any ethical or moral sense who use magic who do not doubt themselves get excellent results. As do moral and ethical people.

To me , "karma" can be explained quite simply, we live in a toroidal universe. (the inside is the outside) when our actions come back to us, as we are all connected, it is not some narrow minded set of ethics that determines its return, rather it is the true nature of its net effect. Burying a serial killer with magic is a net positive to me. As is burying a serial rapist, or someone who is cruel to all life. When i have hexed someone who truly deserved it, i always use cleansing, especially hyssop. In my experience, any aggressive work done without proper cleansing will always have bad effects on the sender.

Personally i do not believe that evil work, done for the sake of evil can be continued indefinitely, even with industrial strength cleansers. I would suspect that it is possible to carry on like that for an extended period of time, but certainly not for ones whole life. Atonement for nasty work is a concept some people toss around. I had a particularly troublesome person who constantly threatened me with violence, wouldn't leave me alone, continued to drag my ex into drugs and alcohol and i eventually had enough. I used a tree cancer blended with his personal objects, tobacco, and strong banishing plants, which finally worked. haven't seen him or heard of him in years.

I don't feel bad about anything i have done, and any person who is a threat to all life (or a lot of people) is on my hit list, i will foot track them, use personal objects, especially tobacco and enjoy the results. I always follow up with cleansing. I always read first, to see if it will work, if it is justified, and what i need to do to cleanse, whether its a small amount, or a large amount. Some of my projects have taken me years.

Thanks cat, for allowing this thread.

Unread post by **Zola Kathryn** » Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:27 pm

Hi Starcaster,

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As far as guidance for your situation, only you know what sort of work you're comfortable with doing. A "Come to Me" spell kit might suit your work & your friend better: http://www.luckymojo.com/spell-come-to-me.html

Freja · Unread post by **Freja** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:40 am

I suppose this is an unfortunate update to the earlier post I had written in regards to using rootwork against a family member; in my case it is my father. My first post was a about 6 months ago. My situation hasn't improved in lieu of the environment, communications with him. My whole existence was/is an obstacle to him since I was born and has always found me a threat to him and my mothers rocky a marriage of 50 yrs. (The last few days ago He went to the funeral of his mistress and rather pridefully stated he wasn't sorry about going- and its Christmas!) However, I'm approaching financial stability where I can attain a my own place and finally be away from him. About two more months and I'm preparing to take my nat'l board exam for Lic.massage therapist. in the next month.
I put aside funds to get Fiery Wall of protection and Money Stay with Me crystals and mainly use/ask Archangel Michael for constant protection/intervention everyday as even others have picked up on his snide remarks and sleath animosity towards me.
I'm in a healing profession but often sit feeling with such a heavy heart from my situation & with such unspeakable longtime sadness.... My birthday passed on the 13th and he jokes he cant remember it but I press on. And I no longer feel guilty about doing any rootwork on him in order to protect myself, my mother, belonging... etc and I'm becoming apathetic towards him.

My question is can spirits visit dreams and can a person open the doorway of negativity to let spirits or negativity enter a home? And he's always "pleading the blood of Christ against me" when he is angry--does anyone knows what that means?

Sincerely Please help
, Freja

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:56 am

Freja wrote:(The last few days ago He went to the funeral of his mistress and rather pridefully stated he wasn't sorry about going- and its Christmas!)

This is especially shocking, especially in view of his praying against you! What a hypocrite!

However, I'm approaching financial stability where I can attain a my own place and finally be away from him.

I'm so glad your prosperity work is proving effective!

My question is can spirits visit dreams and can a person open the doorway of negativity to let spirits or negativity enter a home?

Yes, they certainly can! And it's entirely possible to send dreams to people for good or ill:

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And he's always "pleading the blood of Christ against me" when he is angry--does anyone knows what that means?

Basically, he is calling on the power of the redemptive death of Jesus to attack you. Fair-minded people do this to defend themselves or others.

Freja, since you have named yourself for a Norse Goddess, I take it you are a Neo-Pagan? I'll bet he's using that as an excuse -- beyond his lifelong antipathy for you -- to call on his God to abuse you.

In addition to the work you are doing at home, go to the Crystal Silence League and get us all to pray for protection.

Best of luck,

Miss Michaele

Freja · Unread post by **Freja** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:30 pm

Thank you for answers and response Miss Michaele. It is a weight off my mind and heart to talk it out,as the average person would think I'm paranoid or nuts(haha). Then seeing you post, Mama Micki, Miss Catherine's common response/advice, I feel less alone and saner. If anything advantageous can come from this, I'm learning and studying more and more about protection work and deeper understanding of what rootwork is. With the combination of my birthday, holidays etc....and looking at my original post from July, I can confirm with steady perseverance, one can see results. And of course with aid/access of a knowledgeable store and family at Lucky Mojo

. I feel much better than I did last night. There will probably be more challenges as he returns and I'm closer in getting my certification. But I feel more empowered and less helpless then I did months ago. And certainly less guilty!
The "Freda" was from history class strong, powerful, nurturing, female.

Have a safe and blessed holiday and thanks again.
Freja

Unread post by **Miss Phoenix** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:03 pm

Hi Freya, part of our lives on this planet as humans is to move past the wounding of our childhoods and our parents. Many people have horrible, abusive, and painful childhoods that extend into adulthood. The goal is to let go of this wounding, move forward, and find peace in understanding that this is our life and not our parents. Getting away from your father seems like the best plan for you to do this. What I hear in your message is that healing is needed, maybe even some Reversing work. Hang in there sweetie, I'l keep you in my prayers.

Freja · Unread post by **Freja** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:52 pm

Thank you Miss Phoenix for your kind strong words. I had really reached my threshold of being sad and oppressed when I posted the "update" and looking back at the original post. This has been going on since my childhood and even after becoming successful in the world -there was still this dark secret I had to deal with. And now having to return the environment of my youth, I don't want to waste anymore time feeling weak and like a victim. I'm in a healing profession now. How can I be a lift up some else's spirit if I carry around my father's words, antagonisms in the back of my mind. I thoughts about writing all his repetitive angsts and curses against me and burning it.
It's going to be a New Year. I would definitely like to be blessed then oppressed lol.
I hope that I've helped someone who has read my posts in a similar situation.
Have a Merry Christmas and a healthy prosperous New Year

Freja · Unread post by **Freja** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:26 pm

Miss Michaele , I cannot tell you how many books or times in the last year I've heard him use "plead the blood' against for me for minor things or mumbling in the background, or early in the wee hours of the morning before I leave. I do have dreams , regularly rather bizarre reoccurring ones- usually I'm wrestling with a man, or there's a skeleton, or a Native person or passed on relative smudging me. But it always seems like there's a message instead of attacking me. I sleep with a handful of rose quartz atones under my pillow usually at night.

I did drop a request by the Crystal Silence League and response,...I almost cried it was so uplifting and empowering. I was having deep qualms about doing rootwork towards a parent but now I feel I have every right to protect myself- ***physically, mentally and emotionally.

Unread post by **Miss Phoenix** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:39 am

Freja, sounds like you are doing some powerful healing work! Good for you.

Many blessings.

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:51 pm

Freja wrote:I do have dreams , regularly rather bizarre reoccurring ones- usually I'm wrestling with a man, or there's a skeleton, or a Native person or passed on relative smudging me. But it always seems like there's a message instead of attacking me. I sleep with a handful of rose quartz atones under my pillow usually at night.

You can reinforce those stones with a few dried poppy flowers wrapped up in a copy of psalm 91. The Psalm will protect you and the flowers will bring dreams that are both true and lucky.

Address those skeleton spirits and the dream-man who wrestles with you: "Will you protect and help me?" (I remember Dr. E once saying that the best way to break the attack of an evil spirit is to get him to defect to your side.) If you don't have a gift for lucid dreaming, have that question in your mind as you go to sleep.

Best of luck,

Miss Michaele

Freja · Unread post by **Freja** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:11 pm

Does it sound like I'm being jinxed ? I suppose now I should consider my father an enemy as he is using the bible against me for his own vengence/purpose and its always a Psalms. I have found small post-its with scriptures on them underneath my shoes or hanging discreetly on the wall. Now that the new year is approaching, I'm diligently concentrating on finding my own place. I sleep with a small saucer of salt & hot water (like my grandmother did) on the nightstand.Does it have an effect on the negativity?
Regarding spirit s, will I open myself to other ' evil spirits or attract them. Could they do me harm? I'm generally strong willed ..but if you've picked it up, I've been reluctant in acknowledging my father as "my enemy"....but I guess I should now

What a way to end a year.But I feel saner,grounded, and less helpless then I did before in hearing the feedback from you all. Thank you.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:17 am

Burn the postits. Sleeping with the water and salt will help. I'd also suggest a picture or statue of St. Michael and wearing some St. Michael oil.

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:06 pm

Is there anyone else in the house, or a close relative nearby, to whom you can show those post-its? And just say, "I'm worried about Dad...."?

Miss Michaele

Freja · Unread post by **Freja** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:24 am

Hi my siblings have suffered from his delusional behavior and have since moved out to very successful careers. However they've both have suffered from his mental, physical abuse,...and have sort counseling on their own. My mother is of creole/cherokee background and knows his roots doings But they've been married 50 yrs and pretty much traditional, set in their disharmony and live separate lives.

He can no longer bully me physically. So I'm going to suck it up for now stay out of his way (more like daily howling), do my work diligently,(my Fiery Wall Of Protection finally arrived today) lol read more here on the forum and Hoodoo in theory by Miss Catherine on the web, ...until I get my own sustainable income and move out and onto better things. If I were to compile a notebook,all there would be in it is protection and warding off evil. I'm ready for a change.

Thank you Everyone.
Freja

Starcaster · Unread post by **Starcaster** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:33 pm

Zola Kathryn

Thank you so much! I appreciate your response.

I did the spell back then and it did not work. This is the only spell that did not work, but Ms. Cat explained why in a reading. Made total sense to me.

In fact, I am starting a Come to Me spell for my friend to attract a new love instead.

Thank you again Zola!

Unread post by **magnetic1** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:54 am

Greetings everyone

I am new and I'm getting acquainted with the various topics in the forums.
This is an excellent topic because I want to help 2 of my family members, but don't want to
offend them. My mother has a couple of fingers where the nailbeds were damaged from the
service and she is self conscious about them. How can I help her with the healthy restoration
of her nails? We live in different states, but I will see her next month when we go to Colorado
to visit my niece who is having her first baby but the father doesn't want anything to do with
her or the child. I don't want to interfere with that aspect, but how can I help my niece and
her unborn child other than financially so that her pregnancy and birth be a positive, loving
experience? I know my niece is doing the best she can, but I know that she's stressed about
the situation, since the father has moved of the state and is in another relationship.Thanks
in advance for any and all input

PEACE
Oh I almost forgot-I have a reading with Miss Cat in March, that's why I wanted to post sooner

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:16 pm

Hello, magnetic1 ,
Welcome to the forum! If you haven't already, please "formally" introduce yourself on the introduction thread.
And how WONDERFUL that you are performing such loving and caring spells. Very wonderful!
Please look at the Blessing page first www.luckymojo.com/blessing.html
And then get acquainted with the Healing page:
www.luckymojo.com/healing.html
I am sure that your queries will be satisfied after exploring what Lucky Mojo offers and how to use the products
Take care, dear kind soul

Unread post by **magnetic1** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:19 am

Thank you Ms. Aida

you were the one that welcomed me into the community when I made my
introduction ( Jan 7, 2014) and did encourage me to take the correspondence course. I haven't been online due
to working long hours, but it is for my expenses for helping my niece and her baby. I'm off today and
was excited to get my newsletter. I was so moved how the community came together to help get
the newsletter out while honoring the passing of one of the members. I am proud to be a member
of this BEAUTIFUL community. I will keep you posted on my work. PEACE & BLESSINGS