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Done1 · Unread post by **Done1** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:53 am

Hello Aura,

Well the title was originally DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE, and I guess a moderator changed it.

When I say go left I meant like its going in a not so correct direction...I just didn't want the whole point of what I was trying to make, to be focused on the few things I said, particularly the sentences you mentioned. Now in terms of books, I soooo need to read more and get more books on this. I have POWER OF THE SAINTS by RAY T. MALBROUGH but I don't want to sit here and lie and pretend as if I SERIOUSLY read it! Lol, I think I'm just at a stage in my life where I don't want to be that miserable vindictive witch anymore...its pointless. I've finally grown up a little bit more and I'm VERY proud of that. I just want to pray and ask that God helps me to get my life back in order, and help me to help my family. Hope this last part makes sense...

Done1 · Unread post by **Done1** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:58 am

Mama Micki wrote:Hoodoo work is prayer using tools such as herbs, roots, oils, candles, etc to help us focus. Ultimately God has the final say whether a prayer is answered.

Hmmm, so God won't think of me as a sinner? I know this is soooo weird to ask, its just SOME (not all) Christians don't agree with that. I'm not saying I'm one of them because clearly I'm not, but I just need to understand these things ya know? I've been called a sinner and devil worshipper before due to my practicing magick.

Done1 · Unread post by **Done1** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:04 am

autumnalflower wrote:It does make sense and that's why I turned to hoodoo/conjure work after exploring wicca. In my opinion get a reading from an airr reader would help you figure the best path to blend the two. Keep praying/meditating on it and you will get your answer even if you may not realize the answer right off. In the least you could light white candles dressed with olive oil and burn them before bed while praying for direction, I've had good results with this in help seeking for answers.

Yea I just feel sooo confused. I told myself I wouldn't touch magick again, but to thine own self be true..in my case magick is in my blood and my grandfather to what I was told did some pretty evil things with and without magick and was killed for it. I don't want to end up like him. So I just urn the candles nightly?

autumnalflower · Unread post by **autumnalflower** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:47 am

I would until you get an answer...it helped me with what I wanted to do when I first started, or you can do it for 3 or 7. You don't have to do anything evil if you don't want to! I believe we have choices in what we want to do(free will.). I do think a reading from an airr member can help you give you the best advice. I say pray and hand it over to god, pray psalm 23 after lighting and concentrate on your intent. But that is something that has helped me, I'm sure someone with more experience can give you more indepth advice.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:05 pm

Willa,

As autumnalflower has stated, an AIRR reading with a qualified reader may provide you with the clarity you seek in regards to this situation. There doesn't seem like much more we can do or recommend for your personal struggle.

I would also like to remind you that the purpose of the Lucky Mojo Forums is for customers of the Lucky Mojo Curio Company to ask questions about, and discuss, the supplies sold by the shop. We would be more than happy to help recommend some spellwork or rootwork for you if you decide to ask.

I would dress an orange candle with some King Solomon Wisdom Oil and Clarity OIl and spend some quiet time figuring out what your next step should be.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:00 pm

You've posted on a public forum, so expect responses and answers taht you may not like to hear. Such is the nature of posting a personal issue on a public forum.

I am happy that you've grown since then, but the fact that you are still struggling to come to terms with concepts of sin and trying to please your creator means that you need some introspection. Ultimately these questions--while good--are off-topic and can only be answered by you.

Done1 · Unread post by **Done1** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:15 pm

Joseph Magnuson wrote:Willa,

As autumnalflower has stated, an AIRR reading with a qualified reader may provide you with the clarity you seek in regards to this situation. There doesn't seem like much more we can do or recommend for your personal struggle.

I would also like to remind you that the purpose of the Lucky Mojo Forums is for customers of the Lucky Mojo Curio Company to ask questions about, and discuss, the supplies sold by the shop. We would be more than happy to help recommend some spellwork or rootwork for you if you decide to ask.

I would dress an orange candle with some King Solomon Wisdom Oil and Clarity OIl and spend some quiet time figuring out what your next step should be.

I don't have KING SOLOMON OIL, can you show me the link to it? Plus I reached out to a few AIRR memebers and two responded but we did not discuss a reading. Funds are low NOW, but this upcoming week, that is something that I need to do and stop procrastinating about it. I'm not going to lie...after dealing with two psychic's whom I now think gyped me, I'm sort of scared. Not that the AIRR members would do that to me, but when that stuff happens it is hurtful not to mention the stuff they tell you, smh.

autumnalflower · Unread post by **autumnalflower** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:34 pm

http://www.luckymojo.com/products-king- ... isdom.html (for the line of King Solomon Wisdom Oil)
http://www.luckymojo.com/products-clarity.html (Clarity line of products)
and this one may be of use to you as well, ROSE OF CRUCIFIXION OIL
To abolish fear and soothe a troubled mind.
Link to candles http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatcandles.html and how to use them, this link has other information as well that comes in very handy.
http://www.luckymojo.com/candlemagic.html

Done1 · Unread post by **Done1** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:08 pm

autumnalflower wrote:http://www.luckymojo.com/products-king- ... isdom.html (for the line of King Solomon Wisdom Oil)
http://www.luckymojo.com/products-clarity.html (Clarity line of products)
and this one may be of use to you as well, ROSE OF CRUCIFIXION OIL
To abolish fear and soothe a troubled mind.
Link to candles http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatcandles.html and how to use them, this link has other information as well that comes in very handy.
http://www.luckymojo.com/candlemagic.html

Oh , thank you very much

!!!!

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:20 pm

This is cat. I retitled the thread. The original title -- DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE-- referrred to nothing. It violated our rules about titles, which states that they should be specific, so that other users can find topics by title. I based the new title on these two sentences you wrote, particularly the portions in bold type.

I've been trying my hardest to live a life to please God and God only, while also praying to Saints (though I'm Christian Baptist), but lately... something inside of my soul is aching and screaming to go back into practicing magick. [...] I can't deny that there's a "witch" living and breathing inside of me who can and has done really good things, but who can also be very dangerous.

Your worries about pleasing God versus practicing magic seem to be founded upon your own extremely narrow view of religion. Most world religions incorporate magic. The main reason that Catholic Christianity does not is that long ago it sought to consolidate magical power in the hands of its own priesthood, and in order to do that, it undertook to condemn Jews, Muslims, and Pagans who used magico-spiritual practices outside of the rules laid down by the likes of Saint Thomas Aquinas. Even so, there is a long and vibrant tradition of magic among Catholics. Whole books have been written on the subject.

Protestant Christianity varies a great deal from denomination to denomination with respect to the amount of Jewish and Pagan folk magic included within the practices of congregants. Generally speaking, Protestant Christianity incorporates a great deal of local Pagan beliefs, including the recitations of magical formulae for healing, cursing, love-drawing, and money-luck.

If you would take the time to study Christianity, you would find that the braucherei of the Pennsylvania German Americans is Christian folk magic, the hoodoo or conjure of Southern African Americans is Christian folk magic, and there are other God-centered religions, such as Taoism and Hinduism, in which clrgy members, priests, and monks typically make magical amulets and talismans for congregants, right in their holy temples.

You describe yourself as a Baptist who venerates Catholic saints. That alone is more heretical to the Baptist Church than practicing folk magic!

You wasted your money on fake psychics so you are "scared" to get a reading from an ethical reader from AIRR.

You "reached out to" (spammed) the AIRR roster without arranging to pay for a reading, but when only two AIRR readers replied to your request for a free counselling session, you came here to ask random forum strangers if it is bad (or good) to be a Baptist-Catholic witch.

And then, after boasting about your skills at cursing, you got all defensive when those skills were mentioned by folks who responded to you.

I am merging this thread into the hugely long thread on religion.

SweetLady · Unread post by **SweetLady** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:45 pm

Hi ConjureMan,

Just now read your post, after like Months

Yes, I am rather timid...I've been called this before.

I think that my association of hoodoo with being exposed to criminal underground (as you put it

)came from my reading and learning in the forum that hoodoo does not subscribe to any form of "karmic law" or "principle of threes"...or "harm none" rule.

I know there are conflicts that occur in other traditions too, but the other traditions almost always try to forewarn people that what they do can have consequences. And, that it is best to always put good things out so that only good can return to you. This axiom makes perfect sense to me. But I know that violence doesn't belong to any one tradition...

I apologize if that seemed to be what I was assuming (it is not). I just felt concerned that there is no "rule" about what one chooses to do.

I guess, to me, it seems logical that people would choose hoodoo over other forms of magic because there is no "rule" or criticism for doing destructive magic spells...does that make sense?

I guess I am talking more about a probability thing.

I know that in every other magical tradition I have encountered, the first rule is usually something like "do what you will, but harm none" or it is the principle of threes. Furthermore, most adepts of these types of traditions shun those who disregard the rules for "harm none" and the like.

I am no newbie to magic, but a newbie to a kind of magic that does not have some sort of "do unto others" rule, ya know?

Perhaps you have more hoodoo knowledge to share with me on this subject? If so, that would be very much welcomed and appreciated, as I love learning about magic, and my newest obsession is hoodoo

Thanks for your response...Love and Blessings, SweetLady

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:24 pm

Hello SweetLady,

You are gravely mistaken when you state that many other magical traditions always teach some type of "karmic" "harm-none rule." I am versed in Goetic magick, necromancy, rootwork, Arabian djinn magic, and several of the African Diasporic Traditions and various other traditions and each of these leave matters of ethics up to the individual. Why? Because they are magical traditions, not religions. Ethics is the realm of religion and personal belief. Conjure tells people to square things away with their God, not to do whatever they feel like.

Again this misinterpretation of what is being taught is derived from a lack of understanding of the tradition itself. Conjure is not a "do whatever you want" tradition. You have instead assumed it is so because we do not expressly tell you want to do. Why should we? We are not the priests of conjure--that is for you and your God to decide.

What you've encountered are magico-religious systems where "rules" and "ethics" are tied into a hierarchical "system". Conjure is no such thing. It is a family tradition passed down from generation from generation. The same people who taught you how to keep your man would also teach you what was right and wrong. What you have is a set of wisdom, not a set of man-made rules passed down by so-called priests and priestesses.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:14 pm

Thank you, Conjureman Ali -- that was very well put.

Sweetlady, Ali is right -- very few magical traditions come with "rules."

It is taken for granted that those who come to such a tradition from within the culture that nourished it would be fully versed in the religious traditions of that culture's theology.

In the case of hoodoo, the theological ground is Protestant Christian for the most part, with some practitioners being Catholics, and a few outliers and newcomers being adherents of other religions, such as Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Voodoo, Kemetism, Santeria, Palo, Wicca, Feri, and so forth.

Most Christians are taught right from wrong very early on and when learning a new skill -- from how to cast a spell to how to cook or how to play football -- they don't need to be told a set of "rules" about punishments to make them abide by the morality of the Bible, because they already know those rules.

Here is the rule followed by most practitioners of hoodoo:

Matthew 7:12 -- Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

In common, everyday Christian conversations, it is expressed as

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

But note that the commonly-spoken version leaves out some important background -- "for this is the law and the [teaching of] the prophets."

So Christians have a "law" too, just like Wiccans and Thelemites. We call it "The Golden Rule."

SweetLady · Unread post by **SweetLady** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:38 am

Thanks You Miss Cat!
That is exactly what I was looking for! It would be nice if those verses or information appeared on the LM site somewhere! Maybe as a subheading or banner or something? That would be most helpful to people who, as ConjureMan believes "misinterprate" hoodoo or it's ethics/rules. I was looking for them, and found none on the site except notions about it all being up to the individual...which seems kind of dangerous or scary if you give it some thought. And if a person new to hoodoo, and also not from the culture it belongs too, does not have that information, how else are they supposed to know it? But, your explanation provided me with precisely the explanation I needed, and without naming me as "inexperienced" or as a "newbie" and such! Thanks so much! ~SweetLady

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:08 pm

SweetLady, i understand your desire for me to publish the Golden Rule on my many web sites, because the idea of people working conjure or other forms of folk magic according to their own religious, ethical, or cultural training might be misinterpreted. However, in all the years i have worked in this field as a scyer, practitioner, manufacturer, and teacher, the erroneous idea that hoodoo -- the folk magic of African Americans and others from the US South -- is practiced by people who have "no rules" has only come up a few times, and only from people who have just dropped in casually via an internet connection.

The relationship between African American culture and religious and magical traditions is covered in depth in my Correspondence Course, but as far as my public sites go, i serve people of all religions and cultures and, having searched my heart, i believe my service should be to assisting my fellow practitioners, to keeping the traditions alive and fluent in the digital age. I do refuse to harm animals in my practice or to traffic in endangered species, and i do speak out about these things. However, i do not pretend to have been granted any sort of moral or doctirnal "authority" over any of my fellow practitioners, many of whom have more years of practice or a longer family tradition in this work than i do.

I did learn how to play tambourine, however -- and you can too:

How To Play Tambourine In A Black Church
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqgZYTwPDtA
Just playing around after church with my family (and best comment: "If you were raised COGIC you LEARNED how to play the tambourine if nothing else! If NOTHING else lol")

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:33 pm

Matters of faith and ethics are not for us to dictate to others, but for others to act upon by CONVICTION. If you feel that it is "dangerous" for matters of ethics to be left up to the individual then you must somehow assume that man is by very nature incapable of thinking for himself. Hoodoo and conjure is not a tradition of priests and priestesses, it is instead taught and passed down by spirit-led people who live their lives according to the convictions of their faith and the expressions of their family traditions. It is up to each and every individual to search their heart and act according to those convictions.

Where there is a "rule" about it or not people have to choose for *themselves* whether to use a hammer to bash someone's head in or to knock a nail into the wall.

hermitange · Unread post by **hermitange** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:44 am

Would magic directed at a Mormon backfire because of their garments and/or temple rituals?

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:38 am

hermitange --

I depends on the one casting the spell and the specific Mormon in question.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:41 am

Get a reading. I don't know if Mormons are protected more than anyone else, but something is going on in your life that isn't right. Cleanse yourself with 13-herb bath and your house with Chinese Wash, then do a Fiery Wall of Protection.

Unread post by **Lee Canipe** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:29 am

Temple garments are the same as a Catholic wearing a scapular, or a Protestant carrying a mojo hand. It is protection, but those defenses can be broken if the case is justified and your magic powerful enough.

Lee Canipe #398 (G)

euphemia · Unread post by **euphemia** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:33 am

I had a dream last night, and I saw a female figure I cannot identify. I suspected she was either petitioned in hoodoo or otherwise involved with it, Christianity, or maybe even Santeria, because I had this dream after contemplating my Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes vigil candle and somewhat meditating on her image from that candle.

But, this figure in my dream had dark skin, and she held a hammer. I was also shown an anvil, presumably hers or associated with her. After seeing this, I was shown a light-skinned lady in white robes with maybe some blue detailing, kneeling at an altar, praying. The latter sounds like Mercedes to me, but I am totally clueless about the other figure.

Anyone have any ideas?

Creativecat · Unread post by **Creativecat** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:36 pm

Hi to all;

Anyone know an effective way to call upon Elegua to return evil to enemies?

This is one i do not take lightly, however it is justified.

The intention is to offer them to him; so this is a sacrificial ritual and i plan for it to be done at a crossroads drawn down with chalk as unable to visit the actual crossroads so this one is indoors. Planning to place his offerings as well as symbol on floor and get to work.

Lastly, any experience or guidelines one can give in summoning spirits to assist in rites would be helpful.

This persons have been invading my life and wreacking all sorts of evil; so the time to act is NOW.

Any assistance appreciated. Thanks

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:46 am

Hi there,

This forum is dedicated to Lucky Mojo products-because Lucky Mojo is our generous sponsor

That means that we assist folks in determining which Lucky Mojo products are correct for their situation and how to best work with them. Elegua is an orisha venerated in Lukumi and other traditions. But Lucky Mojo and this forum is dedicated to working within the Hoodoo tradition which has a Christian (mainly Protestant) framework around it--though you do not have to be a Christian to practice. However, at the Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers there are several workers who are conversant in both Hoodoo and Lukumi who may be able to help you, so we recommend that you contact them-2 that I know to be conversant in these traditions and can recommend are:

Dr. E
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/Dr._E.
Lou Florez:
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/Lou_Florez

good luck,
Bri

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:09 am

Sounds like a nice dream, Euphemia.
I suggest you do a reading on it and ask for clarification or find a reader who work with this particular Saint.
Good Luck.

Creativecat · Unread post by **Creativecat** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:35 am

Thank you Miss. Bri, for your help;

Best

CreativeCat

lucywytch · Unread post by **lucywytch** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:57 pm

Anyone knows anything about Lillith, Hecate & Isis when it comes to herbs ? i personally love these goddesses & i want to worship them or really be in their pressence or be a 'slave' for them, well not really that word but i want to become one of them & want to be worshiped.how can i? many women maybe also want this power. Luckymojo should get more goddesses & gods into their products!

maybe its not hoodoo, but it might be related.

Blessings/Sophia

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:18 pm

This is a forum dedicated to Lucky Mojo products and the practice of hoodoo, originally practiced by Christian African-Americans. Pagan deities are part of other traditions.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:26 pm

Nope, not related. Conjure draws its spiritual foundation from African American Christianity and spirituality.

Lucky Mojo does carry a line of god and goddess products.

There are plenty of herbs that are associated with those three spirits, but you are mixing three separate traditions there so you'll have to seek the knowledge in three different streams unless you prefer the mix-matching mush that some post-modern occultists are all about. Lilith is a demoness, succubi and certainly not a goddess. She is part of Jewish spirituality though has her roots in the Mesopotamian Lilitu. According to rabbinic lore she was the first wife of Adam, but after being rejected in favor of Eve she became the mother of demons, especially those associated with infanticide.

Hecate is the three-faced Anatolian deity that was adopted in Greco-Roman mythology. She is the Mistress of the Crossroads, ghosts, death, witchraft, and things that go bump in the night. She's the mother of the Empasu, queen of the larvae, and over time became associated with things Lunar. She's become syncretized with some Isis cults, especially during the rise of the Mystery Cults in the 200-300 AD.

Isis is an Egyptian deity who is the goddess of fertility, mothers, and sorcery. Wife of Osiris, mother of Horus she is said to have the secrets of Ra and is associated with charms and spells. Her cult eventually grew into a mystery religion that travelled all the way to Rome, though eventually squashed by Diocletian who hated all the non-Roman State cults.

As you can see these are three rather separate deities related to specific cultures. To know about them you'd want to involve yourself in those spiritualities where you'll learn their herb-association and the proper means of devotion.

Also, I don't know what you mean by "become one of them." If you are referring to possession then none of those cults feature possession like you'll find in the African Traditional Religions, though some Hecate cults did perform oracular rites.

lucywytch · Unread post by **lucywytch** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:35 am

Thank you ConjureMan Ali!

Unread post by **Jibrael** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:46 pm

You can also ask the spirit/saint who She is.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:53 pm

euphemia,

The dream you had is not of any Madonna or saint "petitioned in hoodoo," mainly because more than 90% of hoodoo practitioners are Protestants, not Catholics, and there are no canonized saints in most Protestant denominations.

Lots of (White, Latino, and Asian) people think that because Black Cubans practice Santeria that Black Americans do too. Not so. Most Black Ameericans are Baptists. It's not about skin colour -- it's about the culture that folks were raised in.

As i have written previously, "a relatively small number of African Americans [...] are Catholics and Spiritualists -- but [Catholic veneration of saints] is unduly represented here on the forum by a huge influx of Latino Catholic practitioners of the folk magic traditions of curandismo and brujeria, plus Latino and Caucasian practitioners of African-Diasporic religions such as Santeria and Voodoo -- many of whom are trying to graft the Southern American traditions of conjure work into their own cultural and religious traditions."

For more detailed information on the actual subject of African American hoodoo, please read my "Hoodoo in Theory and Practice" page on the history and practice of hoodoo, here:

http://luckymojo.com/hoodoohistory.html

You can learn more about the connection between hoodoo and Black Protestant denominations like the Baptists and African Methodist Episcopalians, by reading the very long thread on Religion and conjure, into which this thread is being merged.

mountainwiccan · Unread post by **mountainwiccan** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:32 pm

I have a background in Wicca, not Hoodoo so am learning by visiting this site. I wanted to ask whether ritual was/is important in Hoodoo when creating magicks.

1) Do I for example have to use a wand or athame?

2) Do I have to cast a circle and call the four quarters?

3) Will I require an altar?

Thanks and sorry if this is in the wrong forum. I was not certain where to post the question.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:45 pm

1) No.

2) No.

3) No, not really. You need a working counter space, nightstand, bureau, chest of drawers, vanity, table, chifferobe, or other space on which to work. If it is just where you work, it can be referred to as a working altar. If it is a permanent set-up, it may be named and decorated by situation (love altar, money altar, etc.) or by the spirits with whom you work (ancestor altar, spirit altar).

Start by reading the following informational pages:

Hoodoo introduction:
http://luckymojo.com/hoodoohistory.html

Forum thread on altars:
altars-questions-and-answers-t124.html

mountainwiccan · Unread post by **mountainwiccan** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:32 am

I have to say, I am thankful. The ritual was never something I relished with Wicca.

I set up an altar a few days ago with all of the paraphernalia - e.g athame, wand, god and goddess, etc but knowing that this is not essential is a good thing.. for me!

Thanks! I'll look at the links now.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:33 pm

mounatinwiccan: Please do spend a while at those pages that miss cat has sent you to. They will help you immensely!

PlagueJester · Unread post by **PlagueJester** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:06 pm

Lee Canipe wrote:...those defenses can be broken if the case is justified...

That's exactly what I was just thinking...

Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:34 pm

I for one am very thankful that Hoodoo is Christian based. Most stuff about magic is all Pagan based, which is fine for someoen else but God (or more specifically, the Christian One) is someone who's carried me through many hardships in life and He's certainly not something I'm ever going to give up, magic or no. So Hoodoo has quite literally been a Godsend for me since for a long time I've wanted to do magic.

carcarcar · Unread post by **carcarcar** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:56 pm

I'm a newbie of magic, and am curious about it.

I was born in a Christian family, and to be honest, some of Christian's value affect me. (I'm considering myself as a half-Christian, with opened mind, may be.)

As I know, using a magic or hoodoo is forbidden in Christian culture, but I've noticed some of LM products mention Christian things ( Jehovah, some Saints, Angels,etc)

So, Can a Christian use Magic/Hoodoo?

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:28 pm

Dear carcarcar,

Most practitioners of hoodoo are Christians. Most are Protestant Christians. Most are Baptists. That's because hoodoo is primarily the folk-magic of African Americans from the South.

German and German-American folk-magic -- such as Braucherei and Pow Wow magic -- may have a Protestant context or a Catholic context depending on what part of Germany the magician lives in or their family came from.

Most Swedish practitioners of folk magic are Lutherans, because that is the predominant Christian denomination in their area of the world.

Right-wing evangelical Christian has not historically been a major trend in Christianity except at certain specific times and places (e.g. in England during Cromwell's reign, in the USA since 1985). The current form of right-wing Christianity arose during the same time period as other religions also produced split-offs of right-wing factions -- that is, at the same time that right-wing Islam and right-wing Judaism were developing and splitting off from mainstream Islam and mainstream Judaism.

Ultimately, whether or not YOU believe that YOU can "use hoodoo" (we say "practice hoodoo") is your individual decision, We cannot tell you which stream of Christianity to belong too, nor can we decide whether or not African American folk magic will prove to be a valuable study to you.

This thread has been merged into the general religion thread. If you want to learn a lot more, do read the thread from the beginning.

Here's a video that may help you understand:

"Take Me To The Water" - Isaac Bonds Baptism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7305W9ZEM
Isaac Bonds getting baptized at New Mission Baptist Church in Fayetteville,NC on April 14, 2013. "TO GOD BE THE GLORY"

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:17 pm

The Wheel of the Year page (part of the Pagan and Neo-Pagan set) is at

https://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/ ... f_the_Year

Share if you are so inclined.

cat

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:24 pm

The brand new AIRR Pagan and Neo-Pagan page on thefestival of Samhain is nown online at

https://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/Samhain

We are also currently promoting the new Samhain page at

http://www.facebook.com/ReadersandRootworkers

These AIRR Pagan page promotions, when shared through Facebook, bring people to the AIRR Facebook page and as the newcomers "like" the page, our popularity grows throughout the social network. If you use Facebook, please drop by and like the link, comment on it, and, please, share it with your own Facebook friends and followers

Also, please consider the benefits promoting these new AIRR pages in your own blog or email newsletter. Having a new AIRR page to point people to gives you "instant news" to broadcast to your own readership, and every time someone goes to the AIRR page by clicking the link, they will see a listing for the AIRR page directory itself.

cat

Nolongerhere · Unread post by **Nolongerhere** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:43 pm

Hi all, just asking for some advice on working with spirits.

It seems as though I have found some level of patronage from a deity (pagan) and I get the impression this spirit wishes me to work with it exclusively (or almost exclusively, as she has a child in mythology who comes as part of the package, as well as a selection of lovers.) I get given nudges or general hunches on what to offer and what I can do to serve the Spirit/Goddess & her child and I get a sense of great power and energy, as well as tingling sensations along my body when talking, evoking and praying to said deity (or shortly after.)

Do you think I should happily serve this spirit and see how my workings go? If successful, would you suggest that I remain faithful?

Does anyone here work with a specific spirit or 'family' of spirits? Or class themselves as a devotee to a particular spirit? Is this natural in hoodoo to come across a spirit who favors you but wishes you to favor them as much in return?

Share your practices or experiences as I'd appreciate the feedback.

Many thanks in advance.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:06 pm

Some spirits can be demanding. That said it isn't too common to hear conjurers being forced to work with one entity exclusively because the primary force worked with is that of God. On the other hand it is common to find conjurers going back to those spirits that come through for them. For example if a particular spirit of the dead proves itself helpful the conjure doctor may go back to that spirit.

Nolongerhere · Unread post by **Nolongerhere** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:34 am

Mmm... Interesting Conjureman, see this is a pagan deity - so perhaps it is slightly different? Again it isn't traditional conjure but I wondered if others came across this who may incorporate different deities in their practice.

Thanks for the response.

Unread post by **Jasmina** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:36 am

I am a devotee of Hekate, but I separate my practices. When I do conjure work - I pray to the Biblical God, I read Psalms etc. Same thing when I pray at my ancestors altar, mostly because they were Christian themselves.

Nolongerhere · Unread post by **Nolongerhere** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:28 am

@Makedonce, so keeping your practices separate - doesn't that feel like living more than one spiritual life?

I have no problem with Pagan Gods/Goddesses or Saints, as I often view them as interchangeable when looking at what many academics have to say about how Rome handled the conversion. So if I use a pagan name over a Saints name - in essence I am still calling upon a specific energy, be it a whole energy which can be divided (the All in the many and many in the All.) Though I am quite animist in some ways also.

Is there a problem using hoodoo condition oils and spiritual supplies when praying to a Pagan deity? I suppose I should allow my results to be the measuring stick on that question.

Unread post by **Jasmina** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:54 am

No, not really. I do my weekly devotions to her, which dont include any conjure elements. I do my daily spiritual development Western Magick practices as well. And when I decide to get something done magically via conjure - I stay true to how that tradition works.

Unread post by **Lee Canipe** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:13 am

Lord have mercy. That's all I can say. I know this is a forum for Lucky Mojo Curio Co. supplies and products and not a place for theology or history lessons-- and I respect that this is Miss Cat's place. But, Lord have mercy.

Lee Canipe #398 (G)

Nolongerhere · Unread post by **Nolongerhere** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:30 am

Thank you @Makedonce, I love hearing how others practice.

@Lee - MISC is open to all deities, please take note of that. But I appreciate your personal world view & all the best to you.

Though even someone who has identified as Pagan for many a years is considering broadening my path, we'll see how that one goes - I'm not making promises. Lol.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:09 pm

Please don't think that saints are the same as pagan deities--they are not. Each belongs to their own cultural-religious tradition.

As I stated before conjure is a Protestant Christian African American spirituality. You are not going to get much information on how to incorporate a deity in your practice as the only deity in the tradition is God. He is considered the source of all power, vivifying the spiritual force of plants, herbs, and roots through His Spirit. All prayers are said to him.

What we do work with is spirits of the dead. Some conjure doctors will go back to those spirits of the dead that have come through for them. For example there is one that I work with for hot foot work. He's always come through so I always go back to his grave for graveyard dirt for hot foot work. But I'm not setting up altars to him or involved in devotional work with him.

Now there is the Spiritualist influence in conjure and in this paradigm there is a whole world of spirits. You can read more about it here:

http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/wi ... _Tradition

As to "pagan" deities I don't know about them in conjure so I can't really comment. All I can say is if you want the source of power in conjure it is God. Or I was once told, "God, the root, the dead, and the devil."

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Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:19 am

I'll just chime in briefly. I work with Hindu deities in conjure, and I'm familiar with the "All God/desses are One" approach as well. I hold multiple truths, so while I do agree with the notion that God is ALL, and therefore all God/desses and spirits (and everything else in creation) are part of the One, I still treat deities, saints, and spirits as unique and non-interchangeable entities.

I have found in my practice that approaching them as archetypes that are used as plug-and-play figures has, in my personal experience, just less effectiveness than treating them as independent beings that each have their own cultural expectations, like individual likes and dislikes, and inter-spiritual conflicts and taboos. While it may be easy to look at all, for example, love goddesses as the same, when you get down to it they have very different energies and approaches to relationships, and sometimes are quite jealous and picky about who they will work for, and what other spirits they will work with.

While I completely understand that historical research will show how some cultures annexed similar local god/desses under the name and function of larger deities, the fact remains that if you look at the individual names/titles that will be assigned to the larger god/dess, which often reflect the names of the more "minor" deities that were amalgamated, you can still identify individual faces that have very specific functions within that larger patronage. It's more like they become a family or collective of spirits that serve a similar function and work under one Name, and if you work with that Name deeply enough you'll start to see the various facets, and can work even more effectively with them.

Anyway - I won't get too far off into this discussion. And each person has their own path and their own practice - and if it works for them, more power to them! I just wanted to make that mention as a counterpoint to the "All god/desses are One God/dess" perspective.

Bellasangre14 · Unread post by **Bellasangre14** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:08 am

I had a ritual lined up for this Saturday being its the first night of a waning moon and also Saturday being good for banishment, I wanted to banish an enemy. However I realized it was Holy Saturday.

1) Are there any taboos because of the holiday or any tips that might be helpful in giving my ritual more power?

2) I need something that will pack a powerful punch. I worked a ritual in the past that worked but for a temporary time. So I decided to do something extra potent one last time.

Any ideas, tips or warning would be helpful.

Thanks!

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:17 am

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1) This is a religious matter, so the query is being merged into the long thread on religion.

Religious beliefs are personal, familial, and/or cultural and are not universally shared, even among all professing adherents of any given religion. We do not discuss people's religious beliefs in this forum.

Thanks for understanding.

2) Having answered question #1, as best as can be done, i'd like to ask you to go back and re-post your request for tips on banishing work in the section of the board on cursing, hot footing, and break-up spells. Please be more specific than you were here:

What kind of "ritual" did you do in the past that had temporary results?

Are you working in the hoodoo tradition at the present time? (The word "ritual" does not sound like you are.)

Do you want suggestions for Lucky Mojo conjure supplies to accomplish your goal?

Are there any sorts of limitations to you work? (Examples of "limitations" might include that you cannot burn candles or incense, that you have no personal concern of the target individual, that you are experiencing conflicted emotions with respect to the target individual, that you intend to work without purchasing any spiritual supplies, et cetera.)

Thank you.

Yoseph · Unread post by **Yoseph** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:09 am

I am Jewish and I observe Shabbath, when I have to do a 7 day ritual, what ever the start day is I start on it. When Saturday comes around, I dont ritual - I skip a day - The commandment from Genesis to Revealation says observe the Shabbath & keep it Holy, Its written six days shall I labor and do all my work but he seventh day is the Shabbath in which we shall Rest. ( I know this one's on me, so does anyone observe like me and does Ceremony & Ritual Like me ? )

Y.

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:00 pm

I'm not an observant Jew, but I have heard that it is permissible to break the sabbath to save a life. So I'll answer your question with a question -- might it be possible to do healing and some kinds of Court Case or prosperity work on the sabbath? A little food for thought is all I can offer.

Hope this helps,

Miss Michaele

Yoseph · Unread post by **Yoseph** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:01 am

Yes, continue to do that.In reference to this Topic the Scriptures says in Romans 14: vs 4,5 & 6 " Who are you who judges the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Yes,he shall be made to stand; for Yhwh has power to make him stand. v5 One man esteems one day above another; another esteems eveyday.Let each man be fully assured in his own mind. v6 He who regards the day,regards to Yhwh:and he that eats , eats to Yhwh,for he gives Elohim thanks; and he that eats not, to Yhwh he eats not,and gives Elohim thanks.
In closing Romans chap 14 should be read & studied by all who have the opportunity to see this post, it will really relieve ALOT of Personal,Social & Professional Tensions. Shalom everyone.

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:22 pm

And another thing: conjure work almost always includes prayer to The Most High -- and I can't think of anything more appropriate for the Sabbath, especially if it helps other people.

Miss Michaele

Yoseph · Unread post by **Yoseph** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:30 pm

Yes Miss Michelle, I agree with that totally. ( The work behind the prayer is what i was asking about in my first origination, prayer & being a help to others goes without saying,because of our special gifts we have )But I noticed the Sabbthe day of rest allows me to finish my ritual work on the same day I started it. For an example, if I began something for myself or someone that requires a Friday Venus day, Skipping the ritual work on Saturday But maintaining the prayer on the 7th day ( if I do it ) "will enable me to finish on a Friday Venus day."
Instead on a Thursday Which is a Jupiter day & the things asscoiated with jupiter. Plus the Sun & Moon if im observing those to!

But from an attribute & association point of view of the sun, moon & planets, The suggestion of my topic hits the mark, I end on the same day I started with its attributes and associations I want to work with , either for me or someone or something,and I still observe the 7x rule, and the Jewish Sabbath rest.The more Correspondance,Alignment & Syncricity the tighter the aim. I'm really questioning the Rule about doing something 7x, with a one day break. & seeing of its been done, or if Im the first to pave the way.

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:44 am

You'd be the first. If you're continuing the prayer part of the ritual without a break, but only taking a Sabbath break for the "3-dimensional" work of lighting candles and so forth, it might be magically effective.

But Hoodoo arose among African-American Protestants (and Catholics), who were taught by Jesus that "the sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath." I don't quote that as a slam at sabbath-keepers -- absolutely not! But in its original context, this was Jesus' response to an accusation of sabbath-breaking when his disciples were gleaning and eating raw grain on the sabbath.

Since most of my work is done for folks who need my help, I would feel very uncomfortable about stopping the work on a sabbath-day.

Yoseph wrote:But I noticed the Sabbthe day of rest allows me to finish my ritual work on the same day I started it. ... I end on the same day I started with its attributes and associations I want to work with.

That might add some magical power, yes. I'm not sure it would be any greater than the power of working straight through.

Do let us know how this practice works out for you.

Good luck and good magic,

Miss Michaele