Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour #04-09: Working with the Ancestors (Miss Cat, Dr. Kioni)

[CKioni]

Wow, 21 people joined the phone bridge for the last show! Interest is increasing and new people are listening online too! Thank you for your participation! ~ Dr. Kioni

Topic: Working with the Ancestors
Scheduled Conference Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2004
Scheduled Start Time: 10:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time
Scheduled End Time: 10:55 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time
Dial-in Number: 1-413-200-7060 (Plainfield, MA)
Participant Access Code: 26845


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[Lord Orion]

Hi Dr. Kioni:

I joined the phone bridge a couple of weeks ago when you were discussing
crossroads magic. I am the person who discussed traditional Faery practices
and my book entitled the "The Faery teachings". I justed wanted to thank you
for having me on. I am also a traditional Witch carrying an old line of
Craft from my Queen Mother who was a 5th generation hereditary Witch.
Additionally, I grew up just outside of Winchester Virginia with a lot of
conjure magic and Southern Folk practices. I am so grateful to you and Cat
for the work you are doing. It is high time that Hoodoo and other forms of
Southern Folk Magic claims its place at the table. I honor you both. Let me
know if there are any ways that I can support your work. BTW, I just
returned from England where I taught a lot of information on working with
the crossroads and ancestral spirits.

Blessings on you and your work,

Orion Foxwood
Author/ Founding Elder,
Foxwood temple of the Old religion

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From: Christos Kioni [mailto:drkioni@iamsuccess.every1.net]
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 2:54 PM
To: hrcourse@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hrc] On The Next Luckymojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour . . .

Wow, 21 people joined the phone bridge for the last show! Interest is
increasing and new people are listening online too! Thank you for your
participation! ~ Dr. Kioni

Topic: Working with the Ancestors
Scheduled Conference Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2004
Scheduled Start Time: 10:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time
Scheduled End Time: 10:55 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time
Dial-in Number: 1-413-200-7060 (Plainfield, MA)
Participant Access Code: 26845


_____________________________________________________________
Do You Hoodoo? Visit DrKioni.com -Your Hoodoo Rootwork CyberCommunity.
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[CKioni]

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Lord Orion" <lorion@f...> wrote:
> > Hi Dr. Kioni: I joined the phone bridge a couple of weeks ago
>when you were discussing crossroads magic. I am the person who
>discussed traditional Faery practices. Orion Foxwood


Hi Orion!

I enjoyed your participation and invite you to join us whenever you
can. Thank you for the kind comments and keep up the great work you
are doing!

Happy Hoodooing!
Dr. Kioni

[Rig Ahntona]

It was wonderful!...and I could hear everyone clearly...thank you for
that Dr. Kioni....and the codes came in time too.

I realized that some of the problems that I have had a long-term lack
of being able to resolve them so that they stay resolved could
definitely benefit from not just letting my ancestors and others come
to me when they feel like it, but to actively seek them frequently.

So I have decided that it is definitely time to set up an ancestor
altar. I have some questions on doing that, the primary one being
where in the house should it be set up...specifically what
*direction* is the best. Anything else that anyone cares to
elaborate on will also be appreciated.

Blessings--Sharon

[mysticbrews]

Greetings Sharon,

You can check out the Awo Study Center web site. This site has some
great detail on erecting an ancestral altar according to the Yoruba
tradition. Different traditions have their own slant on things, so
you come across what appeals to you the most.

According to what I was taught, I have my ancestral altar in a high
place (to be close to the spirit world); but it's not out of reach
because I say prays, etc. in front of it.

Here are some tips to get you started:

1- Suggest your altar be "all white" -- white cloth, candles, flowers

2- place several glasses of water in clear vessels on the altar, put
kanaga or florida water in the cups as well (this is to keep the
energy clear in the area and the spirits are attracted to the
fragrance of the perfumed waters)

3- have pictures/graveyard dirt/items of the ancestors that have
transitioned (this helps connect them to the altar)

4- Also place items that had some meaning to your ancestors on the
altar. For example, if an ancestor loved to gamble, place a lotto
ticket on the altar, if they smoked a pipe, incorporate that as well.

5- Have an open area on the altar where you can place an ebo
(offering) to the ancestors of their favorite foods

6- Some people also have an ancestor staff next the altar to help
call upon them.

This should get you going. The information posted on the Awo Study
Center site gets into alot of detail about calling the ancestors,
praying, and offering your respects, etc.

Hope this helps...MysticBrews

(Thanks, Sytacey, that was great information. Also, as we have discussed before on the radio shaow, hoodoo incorporates a lot of Irish and English ways of working, and as a result we see that many people keep an Irish-style ancestor altar (although they may not call it that) on the fireplace mantel -- this is where photos of relatives go, along with silk flowers, candles, grandpa's old pipe, grandma's lace doilies, and so forth. I have also seen such altars on the tops of upright pianos. During our last radio show, Mambo Angel explained that in her family, growing up as a child, the ancestor altar was on top of the refrigerator. These are all valid ways of working. --cat)

[Etudiant Ancetres]

Hi Sharon,

I missed last night's teleconference on working with your ancestors.

I'll be honest and tell you that I'm no expert on this as I've started working with my ancestors seriously for 2 months and my altar faces east because it's on my computer table which faces East. I have a big statue of the Virgin Mary at my altar and I light a Notre Dame de Paris white candle for my ancestors and offer them water with a few drops of Florida Water added. This works for me.

I say 3 Our Fathers, 3 Hail Mary's, & 3 Glory Be's plus 7 Hail Mary's for La Santissima Muerte (I have a red statue of her on my altar). This works for me.

I remember when I participated in the last teleconference on using hot ingredients in hoodoo and Mambo Angel said that your ancestors are very powerful and I agree with her because even though I'm just beginning in ancestral work; my ancestors have started talking to me. When I think about them, they talk. When I'm spending time with them at my altar, I can't make out everything that they say, but I understand some things that they mention. The communication has become somewhat better and I believe that as I continue to work with them, it will be even stronger. Marc




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[RedWill0w]

Some things that haven't been mentioned may be idiosyncratic to specific
teachers or traditions, but here are my 2 cents:

I was taught to clean the glasses used on my boveda no less frequently than
weekly, more frequently if prompted to or if contamination occurs.
Also, after washing the glasses, I was taught to always use a little
ammonia and rinse thoroughly before refilling. I was also taught to change the
water on specific days.

Contamination could include a stray moth, a bit of dust from who knows
where, and also other things - sometimes you look at the water and it seems to
have subtly changed color, grown cloudy, or, somewhat weirdly, changed
temperature not in keeping with the room temperature. I think of this as providing a cool drink as much as being a spirit interface, and like to keep the water refreshing and clean. It feels better and is more respectful.

Dara

[Quimbisero]

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "mysticbrews" <mysticbrews@y...> wrote:

> > You can check out the Awo Study Center web site. This site has some
> great detail on erecting an ancestral altar according to the Yoruba
> tradition. Different traditions have their own slant on things, so
> you come across what appeals to you the most.

It should be noted for the sake of accuracy, that this boveda as described, has nothing specifically to do with Yoruba tradition. You will not find any such altar in Nigeria, nor for that matter do followers of the Yoruba faith in its Brazilian or its Trinidadian versions (the only places in the Americas outside of Cuba where enough Yorubans came in the 1800s to establish Orisha worship in the Americas).

It is an altar of Cuban Espiritismo ("Spiritualism" -- cat) and as such is utilized by Cuban followers of Yoruban, Congo, Arara, and Caribali traditions equally. All those traditions tend to practice Espiritismo as a parallel practice. They do not mix them. You will never go to a mass where Oricha present or Nkisi. Yoruba spirits and more commonly Congo spirits (because there are far more people of Congo origin in Cuba than of Yoruba) are common, and you will hear people speak of francisco 7 Rayos, or Francisca de Chola, which means these spritis were children of Nsasi or Mama Chola during their lives (Chola and Nsasi 7 Rayos are Congo Nkisi).

Eoghan

[mysticbrews]

> It is an altar of Cuban Espiritismo ("Spiritualism" -- cat) and
> as such is utilized by Cuban followers of Yoruban, Congo, Arara, and
> Caribali traditions equally. All those traditions tend to practice
> Espiritismo as a parallel practice. They do not mix them. You will
> never go to a mass where Oricha present or Nkisi. Yoruba spirits and
> more commonly Congo spirits (because there are far more people of
> Congo origin in Cuba than of Yoruba) are common, and you will hear
> people speak of francisco 7 Rayos, or Francisca de Chola, which
> means these spritis were children of Nsasi or Mama Chola during
> their lives (Chola and Nsasi 7 Rayos are Congo Nkisi).
>
> Eoghan

Correct...that's why I said "different traditions have their own
slant", because according to who and/or what your line of teaching
is, they will do something different. I hope you didn't take it
that I was saying this is how it's done, but just a version of
possibilities. The Yoruba teachings goes beyond what may be in
Nigeria. And I'm one who's most happy that it found its way to
these shores as well as those of my ancestors...LOL...

MysticBrews

[ivyofthemorningstar]

Hello again cat!

I'm just full of questions today.

Is it appropriate to consume the food that has been placed on an
altar as an offering? I have salt water taffy (Mom liked salt water
taffy) that I placed on my ancestor's altar and now some cherries
too. Shall I eat them?

(I consider it most appropriate to take such offerings out to nature; unwrapping them and leaving them there. Ants like Salt Water Taffy. --cat)

Also, I put some Florida Water in a small white stone bowl and placed
it on the ancestor's altar. It evaporates rather quickly here in
Colorado as we often have very low humidity. I did this on Friday,
Saturday when I look at the altar there was a small amount of Florida
Water left and in the center of the Florida water was a blue spot/dot
that looked very much like an eye! It was the bottom of the bottle of
Florida Water that I had used. Was this simply oils left over after
the alcohol base of the Florida Water had evaporated? Or something
else? I can send a picture if it would be helpful.

(It sounds like some of the alcohol and essential oils evaporated, leaving dyed essential oil. --cat)

Thanks for your time once again cat,

Carol Ann Chapman #1207

[Literarylioness]

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "ivyofthemorningstar" <ivy@...> wrote:
> >Is it appropriate to consume the food that has been placed on an
> altar as an offering? I have salt water taffy (Mom liked salt water
> taffy) that I placed on my ancestor's altar and now some cherries
> too. Shall I eat them?
>
If you know where they are buried, take the offerings to their graves.
If you do not know where they are buried or are too far away, take the
offerings to the nearest graveyard and leave by a tree.

Mary Traversi
#721 (G)

[ocsana13]

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "ivyofthemorningstar" <ivy@...> wrote:
> >
> Is it appropriate to consume the food that has been placed on an
> altar as an offering?

> (I consider it most appropriate to take such offerings out to
nature; unwrapping them and leaving them there. Ants like Salt Water
Taffy. --cat)
> >

I agree with cat. In my backyard are 10 tall palm trees. This is where
I take food offerings. In a metropolitan area, a tree in a public park
will do.

> > Also, I put some Florida Water in a small white stone bowl and placed
> it on the ancestor's altar. It evaporates rather quickly

Carol Ann, you did not mention if you have water in the the bowl.
Water strengthens the spirit and helps you commune with them. I keep a
half gallon milk bottle filled with water by the nganga and ancestor
altar.

Congo-Roots 2U!
Dr. Kioni

[KM]

"ivyofthemorningstar" <ivy@...> wrote:
>Is it appropriate to consume the food that has been placed on an
> altar as an offering? I have salt water taffy (Mom liked salt water
> taffy) that I placed on my ancestor's altar and now some cherries
> too. Shall I eat them?
>
If you know where they are buried, take the offerings to their graves.
If you do not know where they are buried or are too far away, take the
offerings to the nearest graveyard and leave by a tree.

Mary Traversi
#721 (G)

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it is not an offering if you eat it
kristi