Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour #08-03: Child Custody and Protection Case (Miss Cat, Dr. Kioni)

[CKioni]

Our guest is Angel from Southern California. This is a case involves a
custody suit with a lot of interesting twist. This is a mother of 7
children and the custody battle involves her ex husband (another twist
- not really her husband) and his daughter with another woman. Drugs
dealing, porn, pot growing and more surround this case. Is someone's
life in danger? Listen in as cat and Dr. Kioni counsel this distraught
client.
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[Madame_Nadia]

Dear Ms. cat and Dr. K!

Thanks so much for making this radio show happen. It is enlightening and
inspiring to listen to you and how you work with clients. But last night's
show was extremely meaningful to me because the issues discussed were so
powerful. It is an example of how much importance, power and responsibility
a rootworker has, and what an incredible position in society rootworkers
hold. Sometimes it feels like rootworkers are the last resort people have to
make sure justice is happening and horrid things are prevented.

Thank you,
Nadezda Karuna Potter 1166 (G)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[MissMichaele]

Yay! I'll get transcribing this tonight.

Michaele Maurer
#361

[whodohoodoo]

With the new format will you and Dr. Kioni be doing an update show
toward the end of the season....maybe? I know, I know..you just got
started, what the heck am I worried about the end of the season for!?
I'm already hooked into these clients...I really want to know how
things have turned out for them!

Fran Salazar/#1082

[KM]

thank you cat and dr. kioni
awesome show
hurt a child or a pitbull and your future is not very bright
i kept thinking about little john root during the show
my card was the chariot
kristi marcus
#1216

[MissMichaele]

Sorry this is a week late, folks -- I was feeling pretty crappy for a couple of days.

Michaele Maurer

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LUCKY MOJO HOODOO ROOTWORK RADIO HOUR

March 5, 2008

LIVE SESSION: CHILD CUSTODY & PROTECTION CASE

with client Gloria (or Angel*)

*Dr. Kioni referred to this client by both names.

[MUSIC INTRO: Jug Band Waltz by Will Shade and the Memphis Jug Band]

[DR. KIONI introduces MISS CAT, client, and nature of case]

DR. KIONI: Gloria is from Southern California. We have been working together for about five years.

GLORIA: Miss Cat referred me to you about five years ago. A lady from the Caribbean was interested in my husband. I believe she was practicing witchcraft; he was willing to go over there [back to the Caribbean? -- MCM] with her. At that point I contacted you, with great results; 5 1/2 years later, we are still together.

DR. KIONI: Yes, and since then I've done some work on behalf of your grandbaby -- and, Miss Cat, I had the distinguished honor of naming Gloria's first grandchild!

MISS CAT: How sweet! You've been connected to Dr. Kioni for a long time. And I want to point out something to those who think that rootworkers are like psychic readers, who just read you and get in and out of your life: a really good rootworker will continue to work for a client for many years. What we're seeing with Gloria and Dr. Kioni is very traditional; I'm very happy to see it.

DR. KIONI: It's been a pleasure to work with Gloria, to see all the phases of her life and the progress she has made, and the growth in her faith. She is a person of strong faith and good character.

Gloria, what problems are you dealing with today?

GLORIA: I first met my husband's daughter, Stacy, when she was two; she's 13 now. He has joint custody and has her every two weeks.

One night, when she was about 10, I noticed that she was short of breath. I decided to weigh her; at 10 years old, she weighed about 199 pounds. Nobody had ever taken any interest in her health. My husband had paid no attention; her mother never said anything; I never talked with her [the mother? -- MCM] except when walking her to the car when it was time to pick her up. Since I've been around for so long, I thought I should speak up. I asked her mother if she could stay with us during the summers, for 2 1/2 months straight. I didn't say why. I have five other daughters. The mother approved.

I soon found out the reason the mother approved was that she wanted to keep the child away from her father, my husband -- and at the time we were not living together. I enrolled the baby in YMCA, gymnastics, swimming, karate, hip-hop. I also changed her diet. She had lost 50 pounds, and I also got her a new hairdo and school clothes. Parents were ecstatic, but by December she had regained all the weight. When she came back to me she told me that she wanted to live with her father.

[DR. KIONI commences shuffling tarot cards]

She also told me that her stomach and head hurt and that her mother would not allow her to open the windows in her house "because of the smoke" -- marijuana smoke. Stacy also said her little brother was allowed to sleep with the mother nude. When I confronted the mother, the mother said Stacy was lying. I taped Stacy's story and gave the tape to the mother. I did give her the benefit of the doubt, just warning her that she was headed for trouble if Stacy told the stories to anyone else, whether or not they were true. The father wanted to take the mother to court, but I thought we ought to establish the truth of the story first.

Last year, Stacy wanted me to know where "her hiding places" were. She also asked me to buy her a Polaroid camera, so that she could prove the truth of what she was saying. I did so, and when we developed the pictures, we saw a large marijuana plant in a grow cabinet equipped with a generator. There were sex tapes in the bedroom [unclear from sentence construction whose bedroom it was -- MCM], and her mother had sent her an e-mail advising her to swallow semen to prevent breast cancer. Furthermore, she had been telling Stacy for the last six years that her father was a deadbeat dad. Her father took her to the kitchen drawer and showed her all the child-support payment receipts he had -- 6 years of them. Until that moment, Stacy had believed that the reason she had to wear secondhand clothes was because her father was not supporting her. (I used to buy her clothes, but she never had them when she came back to our house. So we used to keep a wardrobe for her at our house.)

After all this, I told Stacy that she needed to develop a relationship with her father, in case anything should happen. Then I informed her mother of these developments. She did not like this, so she took us to court in 2000. On the court papers, she wrote in red ink, "Your dad is a murderer." Stacy screamed and ran outside, and began to withdraw from her dad again. I told her that had to stop.

So Stacy began confiding in her father, telling him how her mother was forcing her to take care of the marijuana plant, and that she was not allowed to leave her mother's house because of this. So the dad drew up papers and took the mother to court. Now, of course, the mother hates me.

We made one mistake: during Christmas time, we arranged an emergency hearing so that we could keep her, but we also served papers on the mother that should not have been served. Unfortunately, that meant that the judge could not do anything about the emergency hearing, because that would have prejudiced the other case. [Not sure I have this transcribed correctly -- MCM] So when we took her back home that Sunday, we discovered that she had called the police out on us and charged us with kidnapping. However, she had sent me a text message reminding me to deliver Stacy to her house at the time we actually did take her back. So we had proof that her mom knew perfectly well that Stacy was our house, with her own permission. The police released her to us. Stacy said she wanted to stay with her mother, because her mother knew what was in the court papers, so Stacy was scared to go home.

When it was time for the next visitation, the mother refused to turn her over to us, because she said we had to follow the court orders; specifically that I was not to pick her up. So I called my husband at work to come and get Stacy. By the time he arrived, she was gone, had left a message saying "You can't pick her up, I'm going out of town." However, she had actually moved, and we did not know where, so we called the police because she was in contempt of court. So we took her back to court on that account.

However, the next time I went to pick Stacy up for visitation, I discovered that there was a restraining order on me, for harassment and threatening Stacy's life. (Years ago, the mother had had five kids taken away from her because of drugs and child abuse.) Yet when Stacy came to visit her father, she handed him a Valentine card to give to me. Naturally, I took it to our next court date, and the case was thrown out!

On top of the involvement with drugs and child abuse, Stacy had found a voodoo doll with her own face on it and pins stuck in it, which her mother made.

DR. KIONI: The work that I'm doing in this case is legal work to assist the father to get custody of the child. That will enable Gloria to act as Stacy's surrogate mother, as she has been since Stacy was two.

MISS CAT: I have a couple of questions: you said you had five children of your own? Are these natural or foster children?

GLORIA: Yes, I have a total of seven.

MISS CAT: So you could provide a good, loving home for her.

GLORIA: I've been doing it, yeah.

MISS CAT: Have you done any protection work for her?

DR. KIONI: We are just getting into this case, and that is about to be addressed. I'm looking at something in the cards that is a little more serious than last time we talked -- but, Cat, you're definitely on the right track.

MISS CAT: Tell us what those cards are, please. That'll help me think and clear the air.

DR. KIONI: Jumping forward to the immediate, near future -- June, I believe, at the earliest -- Ace of Wands, reversed.

Past: Five of Cups. [A figure draped in black and covered in grief; spilled cups. --cat]

Present: High Priestess; she's telling you to follow your heart, listen to instructions received intuitively; I also believe there is something that has not yet come to light; that is another thing indicated by the high priestess card showing up in this place. However, it will come to light.

Future: Ace of Wands, reversed.

Outcome: Five of Pentacles, reversed. Very happy about that -- it shows a successful resolution. [Rider-Waite card shows a ragged mother and child huddled in the snow outside a church window; reversal ends that. -- MCM]

Now, Cat, I did mention that I saw something in the cards [in the first spread done] that gave me cause for concern: the Magician is sitting in the Future, preceded by the Six of Swords, indicating a lot of pressure to try to turn things around. Five of Cups in the Past [same position as in the second spread] shows all the disappointment, hurt, and trouble.

The Outcome card shows me her intention to take him out, which is probably her best strategy right now.

In another four-card spread: [Now I have the Devil sitting in the Future. That told me something had gone amiss since our last update. Gloria and I talked about this -- but, Gloria, you did not tell me about the doll!

GLORIA: No, I didn't. And something else I just thought of, when [Miss Cat] mentioned protection: last weekend, Stacy had a lady necklace [Virgin Mary? Pagan goddess? -- MCM] on her, a wolf ring, something that looks like a diamond ring, and something like a pentacle. When I asked her about the pentacle-looking thing, she told me it was protection jewelry her mother ordered from eBay. I looked it up [on the Internet] under her account, and it's crazy, the stuff she has on her.

I also forgot to mention that on the day she said we had kidnapped Stacy, when my husband went to work, he could barely move and was in pain -- he said it was like someone was sticking pins in his hands. He was messed up for a whole week -- so badly that, even though he went to work, he was sent home. He looked like an old man, his eyes were red, he was not himself. When he went to court with her [the mother], he felt so sick when he came back. Yet, when I was around her, I was fine. Whenever he's near her, he comes home sick, but that first night, I felt like she did something. When he got up off the bed, he went to the bathroom, and fell to his knees, saying he felt like somebody had tied him behind the hands and legs, and he just fell.

Something told me to go over there that night and check up on him, and when I got there, he was sitting on the couch with his hands open. He couldn't move. "She put something on me," he said.

[DR. KIONI laughs grimly]

MISS CAT: This is a serious situation. If you're going to do anything to try to find a way to control this woman, you need protection for yourself.

You will all need protection. When someone says to me, "My partner felt funny," well, I take it at face value. If I hear it three or four times, I begin to suspect something's going on. But when someone says to me, "I walked out of my front door and there were powders on the sidewalk," then I know we're really talking ... if there really is a doll. And by the way, you really can buy all kinds of things on eBay for protection, for controlling -- if she knows how to empower it.

GLORIA: Yeah, she has a lot of stuff.

MISS CAT: If she really knows how to use this stuff, then you have to consider her a serious enemy. In addition to the legal work, I would like to see some reversing work done, and, if you don't object to it, I would like to see a doll baby made on that lady, and her put in a little box of mirrors. If that's too much work, at least burn some reversing candles on her. And if you know in which direction she lives, butt those lights -- you know, cut off the tip of the candle, and carve a new tip on what was the bottom, and put her name on the black half in mirror writing, and your name, your husband's name, and the child's name on the other half in regular writing. [See "How to Fix Double Action Candles," HRCC, page 341 -- MCM] Use Reversing Oil to dress the black end toward her house -- that is, aim the black end of the candle toward her house, as if it was a compass needle -- and the white end pointing toward your heart. Say "May all the evil that you do go back to you."

Call her name -- I'll just call her Miss Jones: "Miss Jones, may all the evil that you do go back to you. Miss Jones, may all the torturous things you've done to this child be done to you. May all the weight you've caused her to gain be your gain. All drugs you made her handle -- you have to handle them until you get arrested. May all the suffering that you have caused Mr. So-and-so, my husband, be suffering caused for you. May all the false charges you filed with the police be filed against you, but let them be real!"

Just go through the whole list of everything she's done, while you stroke that oil from the center of that double action candle away -- now, I'm not talking about the glass jar candles, but the jumbo-sized double action candles -- in her direction.

Then, using the other hand -- or, if you have done the first part with thumb and forefinger, turn your hand over so that your thumb and forefinger have changed positions -- stroke the white side toward you [with some kind of "bring good things" oil -- MCM, or with Reversing Oil --cat], toward your heart:

"May all the family happiness that I was promised and denied come to me now. May this child's health that was promised her and denied come to her now. May this child's childhood that was taken from her by sexual abuse come to her now. May this child's happiness come to her now," and so forth.

You stroke the white side of the candle toward yourself as the surrogate or stand-in for the child. And then you burn that candle upside down on a mirror. And you can take crab shell powder and sprinkle around the candle backwards -- counterclockwise -- and a little sulfur powder and a few things like that, if you want to -- asafetida is a good one. When the candle is all done, take the leftover wax and the mirror -- just a little square mirror -- down to a crossroads with a hammer in your hand -- or a big old rock, but I like a hammer -- turn it upside down and crack that mirror -- right in the middle of the crossroads -- yes, right in the middle of the intersection where the cars are going to run. You have to do it at night when there's no one there. Say, "It's done. May all the bad luck of this cracked mirror go back to Miss So-and-so now." And then walk away, but not the way you came, and go back home.

There are other things that can be done, but this is a good reversing spell. I'd like to try reversing before revenge. The other thing is the mirror box: you take a little box and crack up a mirror, calling her name on the bad luck, and then you glue the pieces inside the box.

You can also take six mirror squares that you can get from any tile shop, tape them together into a cube with duct tape or strapping tape.

Put a little doll of her inside that mirror box and seal it up. But before you seal it up, make a little bed of blackberry leaves, red pepper, and things like that. Tie up the doll, stab it with pins, the whole nine yards -- you know what I'm talking about -- and put it in the mirror box and seal it with more tape. Say, "This is where you stay, and all the evil that you do comes back to you" -- because you seriously need protection. She is working not only legally but also spiritually. Dr. Kioni can make these for you, or you can do some of them yourself.

DR. KIONI: We had a case, Angel and I, where we had to do a reversal and a doll on her grandbaby's grandmother. Angel, tell us what happened. [Gleefully] Just about how that person "exited."

GLORIA: I came to Dr. Kioni because the lady tried to kidnap my granddaughter and my other grandson. Dr. Kioni made a baby doll and told me to go bury it in a cemetery. I did so -- at a soldier's grave, I think.

My daughter had been going through a lot of stress over this and had what I thought was a seizure. We prayed over her and she has not had another seizure since then. There were specialists involved who could find nothing wrong. She had been having seizures for 10 or 11 years -- but none since we prayed for her 2 1/2 years ago.

Dr. Kioni did a reading for me and told me that in exactly 3 months, they would be out of our lives. We have not heard from them since.

DR. KIONI: The doll caught fire in my pot; its lower extremities were burned off. What's funny is that the first time it caught fire, I caught it and put it out. I turned around to do something else. And I heard crackling again -- the thing had reignited! By that time, the doll was gone from the waist down. "Curious," I thought, "my guy is really taking care of business." A couple days later, Angel and I had a consultation in which she told me about a dream: she had seen the grandbaby's grandmother lying on the ground with half of her body gone.

GLORIA: [I saw her in the dream.]

DR. KIONI [laughing]: Yeah, and when she [the grandmother] saw Gloria [in the dream], she started running -- with no legs, obviously! And they have never been back. My point, Catherine, is that these rituals are very, very powerful.

MISS CAT: They sure are. I'm going to give you one other piece of protection work you might want to think about using: it's very simple, and entered into hoodoo mostly from Chinese people, because it's more common among West Coast hoodoo practitioners than in the South. Take small mirrors and put them around your house. The preferred kind is the small circular mirrors with adhesive backs that you can find at auto supply stores; these are fish-eye mirrors that you stick on your car's side mirrors to get a wide-angle view.

GLORIA: The round ones?

MISS CAT: The little round ones, yes. Just put one on each side of your house [outside]. You can put them on or above a window. This is to reflect back anything that's coming to you. These are an adaptation into hoodoo of feng shui mirrors. Hoodoo practitioners don't bother with ba gua mirrors, or convex or concave mirrors like feng shui practitioners do. I learned this trick in the east San Francisco Bay Area. It's simple, and can be inconspicuous -- you can even put it behind the shrubbery. Stacy is going to need this kind of protection.

Now let's talk about the husband. He's been under attack from this woman since day one, right?

GLORIA: Oh, yes.

MISS CAT: When you hooked up with him, the girl was two years old. How long had he been with Stacy's mother before that?

GLORIA: He was only with her -- not even two years. He used to be a counselor at a rehab, and that's where he met her. She had lost about four kids previously.

MISS CAT: Does he know how bad he is?

GLORIA: Oh, yes. Yes!

MISS CAT: Is he actively fighting her? Or has she got him tied up some way?

GLORIA: He is more calm; he knows about Dr. Kioni, but he just leaves everything up to me.

DR. KIONI: He don't know I had him sweating! [Laughs. This sounds like the previous job with the Caribbean woman. -- MCM]

GLORIA: He doesn't know that.

MISS CAT: Yeah, I understand. Dr. Kioni, are you also trying to protect him and to clean his mind from the clouding that she's putting on him? And the whole thing that's going on with the judge, these delays, the restraining order and all that stuff...

DR. KIONI: I do see a need to reinforce what I am doing for him already; tonight's card reading shows that. I have not seen this before, though I was aware of the attack on him and the symptoms Angel described. Now we need to take this to another level.

MISS CAT: Good, because he has been physically attacked. Depression or confusion is one thing, but an attack on physical health is serious.

When I say "physical attack," I don't mean something out of a movie. When people attack your health spiritually, they will attack you through your weakest body system. In his case, it seems to be neurological; he had numbness. If he had a different physical makeup, it might have been a heart attack or tachycardia, or high blood pressure, or sciatica. It's just like any other martial art -- the smart thing to do is to go for the weak point and break it.

So your husband's weak point has been shown to be neurological, because of that numbness, the pins-and-needles, the temporary inability to walk.

I'm very concerned about the Devil card that you [Dr. Kioni] saw [in the reading], that's never a good sign. Do you think she's crazy enough to just burn down everyone around her, if she doesn't get her way?

DR. KIONI: No, I don't think so.

GLORIA: Stacy told me over the weekend that when her mother tried to get the restraining order (because the judge saw the Valentine card and said "I'm not granting this, because you forced her to testify"), he opened up another door to [muffled] court, and the restraining order judge wants to see us in a month, because he wants to know what's going on; so now he's interested.

[Dr. Kioni's card shuffling resumes]

The Court has appointed Stacy her own attorney. Stacy says her mother told her to lie to her attorney, "if you know what's best for you." And the [protection] jewelry Stacy got from her mother can have been fixed to protect the mother, not Stacy. I don't know how it's done. But as soon as I touched it, I knew something was wrong. I did find information about all of it on the Internet.

MISS CAT: I've been done that way myself! -- Given a gift that looked kind of appealing, you know.

GLORIA: And she wears this thing all the time. When I noticed it, she tried to hide it from me. I told her, "I need to know where this came from." Stacey told me, "She gave this to me for my protection."

MISS CAT: Well, that jewelry has definitely been rooted. There's no question about that. To explain to our listeners, she may have used jewelry that had magical powers ascribed to it. Many people like to start with that, but you can root any piece of jewelry. It doesn't have to be something that was made as a protection talisman, for you to be able sneak a destruction charm into it. That is a sneaky trick.

DR. KIONI: That's wicked -- very wicked.

MISS CAT: You could take a little heart charm, or little ring, and root it any way you like. There are different ways to do it, usually praying over it for a certain period of time. If you've ever heard of "the curse of Jezebel," where you hold a Jezebel root in your hand for hours and hours, cursing, you can do the same thing with a piece of jewelry. Walk around with it all day long, putting your cursing energy into it, and present it as a gift, right from your hand to the recipient's. You can do it with a Hello Kitty hairpin if you want to. But people often start this process with magical jewelry, because the recipient is often eager to wear it for what they thought was a magical purpose -- not the purpose that it was consecrated or cursed for.

DR. KIONI: That is why I do not accept any unsolicited gifts from people who say they are my admirers, because I have been caught like that before -- and it's not nice.

I don't relish the role that I have, that of avenger of justice, but it is necessary. When hearts cry out loud enough, the universe answers, "There must be balance." And somebody must bring that balance; I have been given that task. I don't always like it, but it is what I do.

I see Stacy's mom as a real serious threat that must be eliminated. Terminator-style.

GLORIA: About a year ago, I had a dream where I was in the carport (the house where I was then living did not have one) and a man came up and shot me in the head. Well, I do have a carport where I'm living now. When I was served with the papers, it flashed in my face that he was the one that shot me [in the dream]. Every night when I leave work, this is on my mind, and I tell my husband that we need to leave together. The carport is exactly like the one in my dream, which I had long before I moved here.

MISS CAT: This is called a precognitive or warning dream. If you are gifted to have them, you should always take them seriously -- which, at worst, will mean making a little extra work for yourself. Never ignore a dream like that, especially when you find yourself moving to a place that looks like the setting of your dream.

The process server just represents this woman. She's sending people against you.

GLORIA: It was her brother.

Miss Cat [amazed]: Her brother was the process server?

GLORIA: Yes. And her brother, a year ago, attacked Stacey -- threw a computer at her.

DR. KIONI: What? You never told me any of this.

GLORIA: Well, he served a year in a correctional center, because he also used racist words against her. He's out now. When we had served [papers on] her, she didn't see me in the car; another relative of mine served her. I noticed that the brother was in her car; she let him out and he ran behind the apartment complex and in through her door. She assumed we were bringing Stacy home, but we were not; we just tricked her into coming home so she could be served. Stacy was so frightened of her [mother's] brother -- if we had actually brought her home that day, he would've been in the house with her; she would have freaked out.

MISS CAT: There's a lot of high drama here that needs to be calmed down. Let's get to the root of this and quit playing with the elaborated fringes at the edges. The center of the garment needs to be ripped and torn, not whose brother was in jail for saying what racist words -- let's stick to the important stuff: protection for you, protection for Stacy, and the legal work which we haven't even mentioned yet, which is sweetening up the judge, since we already have his attention. Do you have that judge's name in a honey jar?

GLORIA: No.

DR. KIONI: I have it going.

MISS CAT: That's good, because the judge may be the key to unraveling this. Get that Solomon's Seal root in there so the judge will be wise as Solomon, and be able to put the child with the right mother -- and that would be you, especially with the health issues.

GLORIA: She was doing so good, and now she's 217 [pounds].

MISS CAT: Yes, and at your house, she was on a program of exercise, weight loss, and good diet. And I'm sure your children don't have that kind of obesity.

GLORIA: Oh, no.

MISS CAT: Here's something more practical than magical: do you have someone who can write a testimonial as to your good intentions or good standing in the community? A pastor, youth group, or anything like that?

GLORIA: No. But at the end of the month, Stacy's attorney will interview Stacy, her mother, my husband, and me. Then she will make a decision as to whom to recommend.

MISS CAT: Get that attorney in the honey jar. Also, do some work for the attorney's clarity. Some King Solomon Wisdom for her; she's the key to all of this.

GLORIA: We go back to see her on the 14th of this month.

MISS CAT: Okay, between now and then, get some substantiating testimony about how good you are with children, and how you had her enrolled in all these classes and programs. Don't overwhelm the investigator with a lot of paperwork, because she'll have to sit and read it. Keep it brief. One of the most effective things in these situations is the church. If a minister can say "This woman is very good, she goes to church and teaches in our Sunday school," that will help establish your credentials as the opposite to this other woman, you know, NOT a crazy drug dealer sending porn to her own child.

If you can't get anyone to establish this on your behalf, you have to line up all your own information. Collect any substantiating information: for instance, those photos Stacy took.

GLORIA: I have all of those. She [the attorney] has all that now. But I don't think she knows anything about the five other kids were taken away from her [the mother].

MISS CAT: Anything you can find that is printed or written on paper, dress all those papers before you hand them to the attorney. Dress them with Court Case powder. Put the powder on the back, because that is where her hands will touch the paper when she picks it up. You put a tiny bit of powder on the back, just a smidgen, put your hand over it and pray into it -- the whole 35th Psalm. You can dress each paper individually, or spread them out in a fan, lay the powder out in a streak across the fan, and spread your hand out on the fan -- just as if you were doing a healing on some person -- and say the 35th Psalm. Read it, if you don't have it memorized (few people do).

Then close your eyes and just say your own prayer from your heart: "Dear God, let this injustice stop. Let this poor girl be released from this horrible home. Let another child be taken from this unworthy mother. Let this child find a home with me, because I love her and wish to care for her and bring her back to health. I want to see her embark on her life as a healthy, happy adult, and not someone under this heavy, heavy burden of sin and shame in the house she is living in. I ask this in Jesus' name. Amen." Or however you would say it.

Then pick the papers up and give them little flick -- the powder flies off, and nobody knows the papers have been powered. But when the investigating attorney picks them up and touches the papers, that message comes right across. It's a very, very direct way to use Court Case powders. Not the oil, because that will stain the papers.

Dr. Kioni, you're doing a lot of stuff for Gloria. I know you're talking about taking the woman out herself. That would short-circuit this whole process.

DR. KIONI: That's what I like to do -- nice and neat. [Laughs]

MISS CAT: I understand --

DR. KIONI: She's a threat.

MISS CAT: She sounds to me like a person with a severe mental illness. I have a distant relative-by-marriage who did similar things to her own daughters. She used to starve them and made them dress in rags. She was in and out of mental hospitals later in her life. At one point, when the court was about to take the children away and give them to their father, she got a psychiatrist to come up and say she would commit suicide if her children were taken from her. And, this being the 1950s, everybody said "Oh, we can't let her commit suicide. We'll just let her ruin these children's lives." So they gave the children back to her until they were 18.

If Stacy doesn't get help soon, she will, like these girls, be far behind in every area of her life, because of the torture she is suffering. She may recover by the age of 35 or 40, but she will not enter life on the same plane as other people.

GLORIA: Another thing I forgot to mention: her mother also had her looking at adult mutilation on the Internet. I asked her how long. She said she watched it for about two hours, while her mother was in the room, high. Stacy cut her arm and was about to cut her veins when something told her to stop. When I heard that, I confronted the mother, who said that Stacy was lying, that a cat scratched her. Enough is enough!

MISS CAT: I know of similar things in my family, involving the torture of a young girl by her own mother, a psychopath. Drug abuse is not helping, but the woman is unbalanced already.

DR. KIONI: And what do you do with mad dogs? You put them down. I know that sounds cold, but remember the case we dealt with last week, where the father was deemed to be a threat to children. Miss Cat, you yourself went on record as saying, "Put him down." I don't really see any difference here.

MISS CAT: No. No.

DR. KIONI: We are dealing with a psychotic individual who will go to any lengths to have her way. If that means taking Angel and her husband out of the picture, I don't believe this woman is above that. Rather than tying her hands or spanking her, my approach, as of tonight, having read the cards and heard these new stories, is to take the gloves off.

MISS CAT: I think it's true. You know me, I always seek justification in the eyes of God into this kind of work.

DR. KIONI: Right.

MISS CAT: I always say, when I hear the story of a tortured child; a child being abused, misused, "It's only going to get worse." The child is already in jeopardy and failing, falling down because of it. I want to see this child safe. And I would say, "Lord, -- I've raised rabbits" -- I like to talk conversationally to the Lord -- "Remember what happens when the rabbits eat their own bunnies? We butcher those rabbits. If a rabbit has eaten two of her litters, you know this is a rabbit that will never raise a litter successfully. So it's into the stew pot with that rabbit. That's just like this lady. I don't have ANY patience for this kind of thing. Kill her, Lord!"

GLORIA: When Stacy went back up to 200 pounds, her mother gave her prenatal pills every day and put her on a treadmill. Stacy said her heart started to race. Her father went over there and said, "Do not give her any more pills. Don't give her anything. This has to stop."

And the sad thing is, she had just taken Stacy to her pediatrician the week before. If she really wanted to help Stacy lose weight, why didn't she ask the doctor about it?

MISS CAT: See, when you ask a question like "Why didn't she?" The answer is, "She's crazy." Mothers will do crazy things to their little girls because they are jealous; they themselves want to be the little girl forever. They will beat them, rape them with instruments of torture, feed them poisonous foods, withhold food, tie them up and leave them in a closet -- we all see this stuff on the news from time to time. This lady isn't at that level yet -- YET. But she's close. This child is in jeopardy.

DR. KIONI: You and I both share abuse stories in our past. You harm a child, your name is dirt with me.

GLORIA: The bad thing about it -- she may grow up and do the same thing.

MISS CAT: We hope and pray that this girl will get counseling, find allies and friends, and grow up into a beautiful, sincere woman of great dignity and power. Don't borrow trouble from the future!

DR. KIONI: Amen!

MISS CAT: We just affirm that this girl will get out of this terrible situation, that she won't have to wait till she's 18, and that she will have the beautiful adulthood that she deserves.

DR. KIONI: Amen... [Outro; usual closing announcements]

Angel, I want to thank you for your courage and willingness to be on the show tonight. Keep the faith -- and, as Cat said, don't borrow trouble from tomorrow by thinking of the worst that could happen, or that these things will repeat themselves; because WE SIMPLY WILL NOT ALLOW IT. We have achieved every objective we have aimed at during the past five years, haven't we?

GLORIA: Yes.

DR. KIONI: So, do some of the things that Cat has suggested. I will follow up with you in the next 24 hours.

MISS CAT: [announces annual hoodoo party in Forestville, CA, 5/3/08: see message #13738, and the upcoming Hoodoo Workshop in Alameda CA, 5/4/08: see message #13836]

(Thanks, as always, for the transcription. We all enjoy these very much and they also provide a good, permanent, keyword searchable record of the material discussed. --cat)

[CKioni]

Michaele, as always you have out done yourself with these transcripts. You go girl! Thank you for your faithful contribution to the Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour. May blessings of peace and abundance rain down around you. ~ Dr. K

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