Personal Concerns (Hair, Photo, Name, Clothing) Questions and Answers

onyxorchid · Unread post by **onyxorchid** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:57 pm

Would it help if I put some Come To Me oil on the underpants before burying them with the houseplant?

Apollo Dark · Unread post by **Apollo Dark** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:54 pm

snowbud wrote:Thank you Apollo.

I will have to think about this as finances etc......

Glad to help. Thats why we are here!

yellowstars · Unread post by **yellowstars** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:15 pm

Since you were asking about personal concerns, I'll answer that aspect of your question.

Are you still menstruating? There is a long thread about using menstrual blood and I can speak from personal experience in a very similar situation (being the "other" woman) that it has worked wonders for me. Anytime he starts drifting, feed him some and he's at my house within days.

I can't speak for urine, as I have not tried it. I think the idea is to get your "essence" in the man. It might be more effective to use sexual fluids. From my understanding, urine is more of a "dominating" personal concern, as in "pissing on someone". Menstrual blood and sexual fluids, on the other hand, have your sexual hormones; so it's more like a biological trick making him instinctively yearn for you.

Again, this is just my personal logic to how it works.

You can also throw in some Queen Elizabeth root and other edible love herbs that LM offers here. I've also had GREAT success with these, and they're very affordable! I know the kits can get a little pricey, so why not buy some herbs, oils, and/or candles and do some work on your own to see how that works for you while you save up for a full kit. There are lots of threads here with tips on how to use these products.

Good luck!

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:21 pm

You can do that...

snowbud · Unread post by **snowbud** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:52 pm

Thank you Yellowstar!!

unfortunately, Ive ended this as it was too much for me being the other woman...maybe I will try and invite him round for dinner as a friend since thats the way we've parted.

yellowstars · Unread post by **yellowstars** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:49 pm

Even if you don't want him back, but have the access and ability to do some work, it's always fun to make him miss you and think he's made the wrong choice

Good luck, hope all goes well for you either way!

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:00 pm

Great advice here...snowbud... its a good idea to step back and think about the outcome before you do work. Good Luck to you regardless of which road you take. Both Apollo Dark and yellowstars presented two avenues to get what you seek. However, it is your option to choose. Good Luck!

snowbud · Unread post by **snowbud** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:51 am

thank u to all who replied to me

Apollo Dark: please can you tell me how successful this break-up spell kit is....as you can imagine, one must be careful before buying...also, how hard/simple is it to use?

I do want him back....after we both said mean things to each other, he's not talking to me at present....

but I will contact him after a week when all has calmed down.

Also to Apollo or anyone; how ethical is it to use a spell to break up someone who is not happy with this girlfriend?

thank u all xx

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:22 pm

Snowbud,

The success of a situation depends on YOUR situation. The break up spell kit uses all elements of a hoodoo spell. It is a cohesive way of doing things but that doesnt mean using a single candle or vigil light is cannot be successful either. It is based upon the skill level of the petitioner.

As for ethics...each practitioner has their own believes. Some believe it has to be justified others do not. I would recommend you getting a reading to see what would be the best course of action for you. And if you need help I would hiring someone that is more skillful.

cherish · Unread post by **cherish** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:19 am

Hello,

After all the Come to Me candles I've been burning on just my target's photo, I was finally able to get a personal concern from his body. (A bloody gauze).

My question is, how can I use this gauze to enhance my candle work?

Thank you!

Unread post by **aura** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:04 am

Hi cherish,

you can fold the gauze or a piece of it into a petition paper you place under the candle, that way you'll still have the gauze to work with in other spells like a honey jar or doll baby.

snowbud · Unread post by **snowbud** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:20 am

Thank you Starsinthesky....

I had a tarot reading on this guy, and the advice is to be friends with him only, refrain from sex, and that this is the best course of action to possibly get him to come to me and end it with the other woman.

So how would this relate to the break-up spell? Can you please advise?

AnnieB · Unread post by **AnnieB** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:24 am

Hello everyone,

I know that feeding your sexual fluids and menstruation is effective in binding someone, but I also wanted to ask about the effectiveness of using the bath water from your ritual baths? I have been mixing a little bit of it in my target's drinking water and also using it to water plants around the house (we live together). Can anyone tell me if this will prove effective at all?

Thank you!

Unread post by **Doctor Hob** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:44 am

I've seen bath water used successfully, in this way. The question, here, is what type of bath is the water coming from?

AnnieB · Unread post by **AnnieB** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:57 am

Thank you for your reply, Doctor Hob.

I'm still trying to look for an authorized LM products reseller that accepts Paypal and ships internationally, so in the meantime I've just been using a home made mix. I boil rose petals and lavender from my own flower pots until they make a tea, then mix that in the bathwater. I sit in it and pray then soak for 15 mins, then put about 500 ml's worth of bathwater around the house (house plants, hot water pot, drinking water bottles, etc.)

Am I doing the right thing?

Unread post by **Doctor Hob** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:08 am

Just in general, hoodoo spiritual bathing is normally done in a pouring, rather than soaking method. You don't have to "steep" yourself in it, to make it an effective personal link.

I don't think there's a problem with your mix. I'm sure somebody, somewhere, is allergic to Rose and Lavender, but if your partner isn't having a problem, after being exposed to them, then you should be in the pink, there. Using fresh plant matter, you can probably lightly crush it, and drop it into boiling water, and then remove it from the heat. This may prevent the loss of some of the volatiles. I could be wrong, but that is my culinary instinct, on the matter. I know that, in a number of African Diasporic traditions, herbal waters are made by soaking crushed plant matter in cold water.

All this said, you're likely to see a stronger reaction using blood, or the like, if possible.

AnnieB · Unread post by **AnnieB** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:14 am

Thank you for the advice!

I was using fluids and menstrual blood, but then we had a fight almost 2 weeks ago which resulted in my target saying they don't want to have meals together anymore, so that removed the opportunity for me to sneak my stuff in. So now I've resorted to sneaking in bath water.

Unread post by **Doctor Hob** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:04 pm

A sweet jar could be a beneficial addition to your work, then. If you built a sugar jar, and included things like Balm of Gilead, along with the Rose and Lavender you're already using, you could use the sugar in baking. A plate of cookies, left out to share, is less formal than a meal, and could smooth thngs over, to get you back to where you can do more concentrated work,

AnnieB · Unread post by **AnnieB** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:05 am

Thank you, Doctor Hob. I do have a sweet jar in the works. I started it on the 30th, but then suddenly we had a huge fight 3 days later (and we yelled at each other for the first time -- even when we were together we never yelled!) so I was surprised to have the opposite effect. I kept at it, though, and while she has distanced herself from me (no more hugs, no more eating together), she has been speaking to me in a calm and sweet tone that I'm not used to getting from her. It's very weird, but I guess it's better than nothing (or even fighting). So I guess I'll take it.

Unread post by **Doctor Hob** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:06 am

This situation could merit a reading. You might consider booking a session with a member of AIRR, or perhaps signing up for next week's Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour.

AnnieB · Unread post by **AnnieB** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:23 am

I actually have a rootworker working on my case. He's not AIRR, but he did graduate from Ms. Yronwode's course, and is on a joint blog with someone who guests on the Rootwork Hour. He did a small reading on the situation, and while no details about the situation were given, he did say that the readings said that if I just keep at it, I will be successful. Sure enough, just about an hour ago, things improved between us and my ex said we can start having having meals again twice a week. Hopefully with a little more perseverance I can get it back to every day like we used to!

Unread post by **Doctor Hob** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:04 pm

Excellent. Good luck, as your work continues.

onyxorchid · Unread post by **onyxorchid** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:01 pm

Can I cut the underwear up and use it in different things (I was thinking about doing a honey jar too) or does the underwear all have to be in one piece? And does the underwear have to be knotted?

jewel · Unread post by **jewel** » Wed May 29, 2013 10:18 am

My husband is in the military and he goes away quite often. I noticed that he was talking to another girl on his phone. I was wondering what I can do to keep him thinking of me while he is away. I do have his hair and his laundry.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Wed May 29, 2013 5:08 pm

jewel: You can look into doing a skull candle spell to make him think of you, or make a doll-baby on him and do the same. You can further explore these options by following the links I have listed below:

Lucky Mojo Skull Candle Page: http://www.luckymojo.com/candlemagic.html#colour

Lucky Mojo Forum Thread on Skull Candle Work: skull-candle-questions-and-answers-t15161.html

Lucky Mojo Forum Thread on Doll-Baby Work: doll-baby,-voodoo-doll,-poppet-question ... t8946.html

Lalaa · Unread post by **Lalaa** » Thu May 30, 2013 12:39 pm

Hello ALL !!
I Inted to lay my work this weekend at a graveyard.

Here are personal concerns i have from victim

A piece of cloth cut from his un washed underwear
a piece of cut from his unwashed socks
His hair
his beard fine hairs from his treamer

I HAVE A PAPER WHICH HE USED TO WRAP HIS FINGER WHICH WAS BLEEDING ALOT.

AND I ALSO GOT HOLD OF HIS POO.. ( very ugly manner of not flushing after doing his deed)

Is it OKAY to add BLOOD and POO TO when deploying spell at Graveyard?

jewel · Unread post by **jewel** » Thu May 30, 2013 6:46 pm

Thank you for your reply. What oils. Should I use? Should I put any bath salts in his body wash?

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Fri May 31, 2013 3:08 am

jewel wrote:Thank you for your reply. What oils. Should I use? Should I put any bath salts in his body wash?

There is a sample for you to try:
Take a bath using Influence bath crystals.
Then put your pubic hair on the forehead of his photo and add some Influence Oil. Write his name on the back three times and add some hairs of his and pray that you should always be on his mind.
Good luck!

remi · Unread post by **remi** » Fri May 31, 2013 9:59 am

That sounds fine enough. If the spell calls for personal concerns, then it sounds like you have everything you need.

At first I was going to say that for practical purposes, it doesn't sound good to use poo if you were doing the spell in your home, because it would, well, stink, but if it's in a graveyard, it seems to be a matter of knowing whether or not the grave at which you will be keeping the spell will be okay with it.

jewel · Unread post by **jewel** » Fri May 31, 2013 6:44 pm

Thank you I will try this tonight.

Treegnome · Unread post by **Treegnome** » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:53 am

Ok so, my ex-fiance cheated on me with a girl online and we ended up broken up and he got together with her. I have no means to get back with him cause he was a liar and well..cheated on me. But I still really want to get them back for it and mostly her because she was entirely two-faced and still is--don't even get me started about her.

I have a condom that they used that I had found stuffed in his bag while looking for something of hers he might have like a shirt or something and put it wrapped in a tissue in a bottle spell meant to break them up. I know she's a witch too and she used her spellwork to get him in the first place ( he was a liar to me before her anyways but he was still engaged to me at the time, so I have reason to hate her guts) and has done this with other men ( i had a reading done and researched her thoroughly online so I know all about her pretty much).

But I'm wondering if I can take the condom out and reuse it in another spell or /if I should reuse it for other spells or if there's something I can add to it to make it stronger so that they really break up( well that and make them fight and bicker and stuff)--cause they haven't yet. I don't have access to her personal items because she lives in another state and only comes down to visit once every month or so, in these cases I rummage through my ex's bags when he gets back from visiting her and is at work (i live with him) looking for items I can use against her. But if I wanted to use it to jinx her/them or something should I since its been in a spell bottle already or should I just leave it in the bottle? And if it's been in there for a while will her fluids even still be useable especially with all the herbs and things around it or will I have to hope I get another item of hers/theres?

I'm going to a convention in a few months and she will be there too but it's very unlikely I'll run into her while there unless I track her down someway and manage to get her hair or something by 'accident' or something. (also any ideas of what I can do to her/them would be great).

Also this is more or less something that I've been wondering: I believe she gave my ex a little keychain doll one that looks much like a voodoo doll does ( i found this in the bag as well and I know he didn't have it prior to being with her) I'm curious if I can actually use that against her in a spell or if because it was more than likely given to my ex from her if it wouldn't affect her anymore even if she owned it. I don't know if there are rules of ownership when it comes to energies left on items or not for spellwork etc.

doghouse74 · Unread post by **doghouse74** » Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:25 pm

is there something i should do or say when putting semen in her drink to help get her back? or do i just put it in

MoonBreath · Unread post by **MoonBreath** » Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:33 pm

On the Lucky Mojo site under Personal Concerns ... read the section about semen. You focus on what you want her to do while you are ... you know

... then you put it in her drink. So, the intent goes into the semen while you are producing it - that's the way I read it.

The Personal Concerns page also mentions putting urine in her beer or whatever, so she will only desire you.

doghouse74 · Unread post by **doghouse74** » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:42 am

I read it I just didn't know if I needed to say anything extra to help it

firsthelix · Unread post by **firsthelix** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:56 am

Hi,

Personal concerns (hair, nails, sexual fluids, handwriting etc.) are essential in the realm of spell work. I would like to get input in what are the sneakiest ways to obtain those concerns. And I am not thinking of the obvious like how to get a handwritten concern and not even sexual fuids. What is more tricky though are especially hair and nails.

Also, how do you safeguard concerns like hair after getting/pinching it, when you are not at home, or your own sexual fluid after collecting it?

Looking forward to get inspired!

littlestevie · Unread post by **littlestevie** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:27 pm

I understand a house key is not truly a personal concern, but can one be used, maybe in a mojo hand, as a tool to "open a door"? As in use the target's key to open the door for you to enter? I have other direct concerns to use but it seems keys could be useful, in addition to other items, for some kind of work. Thanks for any input, I wouldn't want to use an object incorrectly.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:49 pm

littlestevie, you are on the right track here. A key is a personal concern especially when the person who owns 'the key' is your target. It can be used because that person touched it. What did you have in mind?

littlestevie · Unread post by **littlestevie** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:58 pm

jwmcclin I'm preparing to do some reconciliation work, which I understand can be challenging so I want to properly utilize everything I have available...which includes the keys to his home. We maintain contact with one another and are on good terms for the most part, and I have good (I think) personal concerns: his hair, signature, semen, a pair of socks he's worn and also underwear he's worn. The semen is on a cotton handkerchief; maybe a doll baby made from the kerchief? I'm currently working a honey jar three days a week, and I plan to add forgiveness and love to any reconciliation I do. I haven't yet decided if I'll make the doll baby of him (and one of me, maybe?) or if I'll create a hand to wear. Perhaps keep it near me in bed or even in a pair of panties I've worn, although that starts to feel like a nation sack to me, and I wouldn't want to try a nation sack without being back in the relationship in its entirety, if that makes sense. What do you advise?

firsthelix · Unread post by **firsthelix** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:45 pm

Hi,

Personal concerns (hair, nails, sexual fluids, handwriting etc.) are essential in the realm of spell work. I would like to get input in what are the sneakiest ways to obtain those concerns. And I am not thinking of the obvious like how to get a handwritten concern and not even sexual fuids. What is more tricky though are especially hair and nails.

Also, how do you safeguard concerns like hair after getting/pinching it, when you are not at home, or your own sexual fluid after collecting it?

Looking forward to get inspired!

Unread post by **ProphetAvery** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:27 pm

firsthelix wrote:Hi,

Personal concerns (hair, nails, sexual fluids, handwriting etc.) are essential in the realm of spell work. I would like to get input in what are the sneakiest ways to obtain those concerns. And I am not thinking of the obvious like how to get a handwritten concern and not even sexual fuids. What is more tricky though are especially hair and nails.

Also, how do you safeguard concerns like hair after getting/pinching it, when you are not at home, or your own sexual fluid after collecting it?

Looking forward to get inspired!

Hi firsthelix, i'm sure someone else can give more clarity to this after i reply but there are plenty of ways that you can obtain concerns for your needs depending on the situation. This is where the fun and creativity of it all comes into play. Giving manicures, asking for massages (where they may have to take certain types of clothing or items off) are all ways that I've heard of in the past. I think each situation is unique though.

Unread post by **aura** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:26 am

Hi firsthelix,

For hair, hairbrushes in someone's bathroom, razors, around the bath, shower or sink drain are all good places. Dirty laundry baskets are great to get a used sock or underwear from. Nail clippings are a little tougher, but going through bathroom garbages and looking in the nooks and crannies of a nail clipper can yield results. Getting into that bathroom: well you'll have to find a way to do that - having to pee is a good one.

For storage, consider keeping a couple of small ziploc-type baggies in your pocket when you're out and about. They can be used to keep concerns safe and separate from each other. Sexual fluids can be collected on a tissue placed in such a bag.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:11 pm

Getting personal concerns is far easier than people think. A couple tricks that always work is that if you are going to be in the same car with that person, roll a lint roller before they sit down to remove any other personal concerns that can get mixed up, then after they leave use a fresh roller and pick up their hair. If you have access to their residence or are visiting excuse yourself to the bathroom where the tub, toilet, hair brush, and razor are all places where you can pick up hair.

If you work with someone their work chair is your best friend, or simply walking up to them and telling them they have a stray hair and plucking it off their shirt. No one is the wiser.

Unread post by **LongIslandConjure** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:44 pm

Recently I needed to do a stop gossip spell. I was went into this persons space and found their used gum in the garbage can---just sitting on the side and they are the only one who would have access to that can. Just about the best personal concern considering I want them to shut their mouth. I went in looking for hair and came up with gum and if this wasn't a sign I should go forward with the work then I don't know what could be clearer.

Addi123 · Unread post by **Addi123** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:14 pm

After reading the "Dressed Love Letter" spell, I've been thinking about masturbation as an aide to other love conjure.
Such as the spell kits here, lodestone, candle or mojo bag spells.

Would it be wise to include masturbation into general love work, how should I incorporate it and how should I use the fluids (in the absence of the targets?)

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:17 pm

The use of sexual fluids is common in magic from around the world. In hoodoo, sexual fluids are one of many types of personal concerns -- others being hair, fingernail clippings, menstrual blood, and so forth -- and, since they are part of a sex act, they are generally used in love magic, as opposed, say, to real estate magic or job-getting magic (unless one is a sex-worker, of course).

Addi123 · Unread post by **Addi123** » Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:04 pm

Would the act of masturbation over the target add potency/energy to the spell or otherwise exert will?
Also is semen better to empower a mojo hand with, if its for love?

bruce1952 · Unread post by **bruce1952** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:13 pm

Hi I'm knew to the forum..planning on doing love work..I have her photo,handwriting,and some dirty socks of hers wondering how I can use her socks in the love work..thankyou for your help..If I posted in the wrong place I'm sorry will try post in the apropiate place next time
Bruce

Unread post by **aura** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:42 am

Hi Bruce,

you've posted in the right spot

You can use a small square cut from the sock the same way you would hair or nail clippings when they are called for in a spell. You can also use a whole sock as the material to sew a doll-baby from if you want to work that way.

Tjc123 · Unread post by **Tjc123** » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:52 pm

HI was wondering if someone can tell me where to put the sperm I collected from ex on my moving candle Im doing the moving candle. I have it on a towel and its only his no mix of mine right now I have it in a baggie in the freezer. Please tell me how I can use it as a personal concerns of his on the candle I also have a come to me vigil candle.Thanks in adavance

Unread post by **Zola Kathryn** » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:34 pm

Hi Tjc123, I've moved your topic into the subforum for conjure help with personal concerns. You can read this thread from the beginnin and get many ideas. One possibility is to use the towel to sew a doll baby, and then to work with that doll.

Additionally, we also have a love sub-forum, where you wlll find numerous "sticky" topics addressing a variety of conditions involving affairs of the heart; you can peruse this section to learn more about Come to Me work.

The Come to Me section of HITAP would be useful to you as well:

http://www.luckymojo.com/cometome.html

fire_and_ice · Unread post by **fire_and_ice** » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:32 pm

I hope this post is in the correct place. I'm thinking that photos are thought of as personal concerns? Can you use more than one photo of the target (person) of the spell, if you happen to have more than one photo? I will probably be doing a candle spell, and I have 4 photos of the person (3 color photos, and 1 black and white photo). Yes, there is still such a thing as a black and white photo. All 4 photos are printed out from a computer. All 4 photos are pretty recent images of the person, they're not old photos from a long time ago. Does it matter how many photos you use in the spell? And is it better to use color photos rather than black and white photos? Also: 3 of the photos are what are called 'headshots' (photos mainly of the head and face), and 1 is of the person from about the waist up (to the head and face), mainly in profile. Do any of these photos sound better than the others for use in the spell, or do they all sound basically OK for use in the spell? Sorry if these questions seem silly, I just haven't seen this specific information posted on the forum.

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:52 pm

Hello, Again, Fire_and_ice,
A photo is not a very personal concern in that it is not from the body. Read about personal concerns here: http://www.luckymojo.com/bodyfluids.html
But a photograph will certainly help the situation. If that' all you got, then work with it!!
You can use more than one photo but, my question is: "Why"? Why do you need more than one for one spell? The amount of pictures is not going to affect anything. Spirit understands with just one photo.
I would keep the rest of the pictures safely put away for further magic.
AS far as color vs black and white, my thought is as long as the person's eyes are showing in the picture is all that matters.
Hope this helps.
Have a good evening!

fire_and_ice · Unread post by **fire_and_ice** » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:51 pm

Thank you again, Miss Aida. The reason(s) for maybe using more than one photo: The person has a tendency to dye his hair different colors quite often. I (and other people who know him) don't really know what color his hair will be the next day. In each picture he has a different hair color, and these are all recent photos. Also, not every one of the pictures is from the best angle, using all of them usually helps me visualize the person better. In one photo, the person's eyes can be seen, but they're behind sunglasses. I didn't know that the eyes being visible was so important (so thanks for that information!). The person also wears 'regular' eyeglasses (not sunglasses) in the other photos, but the eyes are showing (behind the eyeglasses) in at least two of the other photos. So, I guess the main reason is that the 4 photos help me visualize the person best, so far. It's not that I think Spirit needs 4 photos. Rather, it's that I might need as many photos as possible in order to visualize the person as best I can. Also, I have copies of the photos, so if I did use all 4 for one spell, I have a few other 'sets' of the photos if I need them for another spell. But, thanks again. I'll have to remember about making sure the eyes show, for future reference.

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:55 pm

Hi, Fire_and_ice,
Well, then, if it helps you, then it's all good!
And when you're completely comfortable, the spells work better!
Good luck!

fire_and_ice · Unread post by **fire_and_ice** » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:08 pm

Thank you once again, Miss Aida.

Unread post by **BrotherChristopher** » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:53 pm

If you want to strengthen the magical link to the personal concern, you can combine lesser links to enforce a stronger connection.

If you follow this link: http://www.luckymojo.com/bodyfluids.html

and scroll down to the section titled "substitutes for bodily fluids" there is a list, in order of strength of connection. You can combine lesser ones to create a stronger connection. They won't be as strong as say, blood or hair, but it will be stronger link.

As you have the photo, if you could get their signature, and maybe something they have touched, and their business card, and write their name on it nine times, you would have a stronger link then just the photograph alone. If you could then add a strand of their hair (whatever color it is) it would make the link ever stronger.

fire_and_ice · Unread post by **fire_and_ice** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:59 pm

Thank you very much brthrchristopher for replying to my post. You have provided me with good information because I didn't know that about combining weaker items/links in order to create a stronger connection. Thanks for the information.

fire_and_ice · Unread post by **fire_and_ice** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:28 pm

After purchasing The Black Folder from Lucky Mojo, and reading much of this book, I have found the section called “High-Tech Hoodoo” by Kast Excelsior of considerable interest. In this section, Kast discusses cyber-concerns, including (but not limited to) audio/sound memos and similar audio cyber-concerns. I must say this section is a most intriguing read. I must commend Kast for writing such an intriguing article. In this section, Kast mentions that, among other things, some AIRR members have multi-media spells posted on the internet, especially YouTube and Facebook.

1) Does anyone (especially Kast) have any links to these? They sound quite interesting, to say the least.

I happen to have a 40(or so)-minute-long audio interview of my target saved on a CD. It was downloaded from a recent local/regional podcast. I will probably try to use this in one or more spells involving this target, along with using photos of target, name-paper of target, signature of target, etc. A few questions, though:

2) I would probably just play the CD during (at least part of) the spell. During the interview, you of course hear the target’s voice. But, you can also hear the two interviewers’ voices. I don’t know how to isolate just the target’s voice (like digitally cropping other people out of a photo of a target). I think maybe that as long as I concentrate on the target’s voice, this should be OK. Not perfect, but OK. Also, if the two interviewers happen to get influenced by the spell along with the target, that would not be the end of the world. That would probably be OK, as long as the target is influenced. As long as the target is influenced by the spell, it really doesn’t matter much to me if the two interviewers happen to get influenced by the spell. (I hope I don’t sound insensitive or careless on that matter.) I mean, this is a fairly benign spell I’m thinking of doing, so no harm would come to any other people who might be influenced.

3) If anyone (especially Kast Excelsior) knows how to digitally manipulate audio from a CD, for example, or how to isolate the target’s voice, or how to isolate an excerpt of this audio interview, or how to use the audio excerpt as a ‘repeating loop’ of audio, and similar techniques, for use in spells, kindly post the information. I myself don’t have access to expensive audio editing software. Also, my computer is an older model that is probably limited in what it can do. If I can’t digitally manipulate what I have on CD (and/or what I have from the podcast), I’ll probably just use what audio I have as is, along with more traditional items (photos, name-paper, etc.).

4) On page 147 of my copy of Hoodoo Herb And Root Magic, under the heading “Personal Concerns”, that discusses Bodily Concerns and Personal Items, there is a list, in what the book describes as “descending order of power”, of various items, ranging from “Sexual Effluvia” (the strongest in power of magical links), to “Name-Papers” (the weakest in power of magical links). There’s also a similar list under the section called “Substitutes For Body Fluids: The Magical Link” at http://www.luckymojo.com/bodyfluids.html. Just out of curiosity, has Kast, or anyone else knowledgeable about cyber-concerns, concluded where the cyber-concerns might fit on such a list? My guess (and I’m in no way any kind of expert on Hoodoo), would be to place audio of the target’s voice (either original audio transmission of the target’s voice or a copy of the original audio transmission of the target’s voice) just above photos and handwriting of the target, in terms of strength of power. The voice is from the body (kind of; almost like a bodily concern), but is ‘captured’ in a recording. So, it seems like it’s just above, (in terms of strength), a symbolic representation of the target, such as a photo. But, that’s just my guess. At that aforementioned list on page 147, I would be tempted to place audio cyber-concerns just below a Body Part Measure such as a Waist Measure.

5) This brings up another question: Why are Body Part Measures considered pretty strong? These Measures are listed above both Foot Tracks and Fingernails, at least as listed on page 147. And by Body Part Measure, I guess it means something like: a Waist Measure of 38 inches or of 41.5 inches, and such. I guess you would just write down the Measure (38 inches, or 41.5 inches, etc.).

6) Back to cyber-concerns again: Where might an email or a tweet sent to you specifically from the target, be on such a list? These cyber-communications would be direct communications between you and the target, which makes me think these might be rather strong magical links, maybe?

7) Regarding that list of concerns, where the items are listed in “descending order of power”, I wonder about something: I know that for many, many, years/decades, the concerns from the target’s body are usually considered the strongest of magical links (Sexual Effluvia, Hairs, etc.). As we now live in a ‘digitized/internet’ era, many, many, many people are meeting online. Some of these people who meet online are becoming close friends, some even end up marrying each other. In this era, where people meet online, bodily concerns are not so common. I just wonder how this era will interact with the traditions of Hoodoo that involve intimate bodily concerns: When most people don’t even meet in person anymore, will cyber-concerns (digital photos, audio recordings of target’s voice, email addresses) become the contemporary ‘norm’ for use in spells, and will people consider these cyber-concerns powerful magical links? I mean, you can tell someone that they should get Sexual Effluvia for a love spell, but if this person is already socially involved with their target by way of internet cyber-sex (or some other internet-based cyber-relationship), why would this person be concerned with Sexual Effluvia? Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not questioning the tradition of Hoodoo. I just wonder specifically how Hoodoo will adapt to this new mode of human interaction where concerns like Sexual Effluvia (or Hairs, etc.) aren’t really a common part of people’s cyber-relationships.

Sorry for the long post. Thank you for your attention.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:54 pm

Hello, fire_and_ice --

Thanks for your post. You originally tagged it onto the thread about The Black Folder, but i am going to merge it into the longer thread about personal concerns, since this is the topic you are actually addressing.

My responses follow:

1) Most of us consider it best to keep our work private.

2) Every voice included would be included in the spell, just as if you had a hair from all of their heads or a group picture.

3) You can use free audio edting equipment such as Garage Band or what-have-you. This site is to help people use Lucky Mojo products. We cannot teach audio-editing techniques here.

4) People have been using phone answering machine messages for decades. They were not common, and no tradition grew up around their use, but with the advent of digital media, audio-concerns have suddenly become much more common. I would rate them below a photo, since seeing is a more primary human ability than hearing. That is, being blind is more of a disability than being deaf.

5) Body measures are strong because you have to be intimate with the person to get them.

6) Email and tweets are about the same as typed mail, but not as strong as hand-written mail, since the hand did not touch the paper in an intimate way. In fact, i would put them below old-fahsioned typed letters or even computer-typed and hand-mailed letters, because in both of those cases, the hand at least touched the paper.

7) Cyber sex is just friendly or friend-assisted masturbation. Although it is fun, and although i am sure that in the future folks will probably be able to send one another molecular scent-o-grams in order to enhance the sensual aspects of cyber-sex, masturbation is simply not as intimate as fucking.

Remember, the reason that some personal concerns are more desired than others is not their DNA content -- it is the fact that the manner of their acquisition marks the dropping of certain boundaries to intimacy.

fire_and_ice · Unread post by **fire_and_ice** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:10 am

Thanks for the reply, catherine. Quite informative for me, didn't know about the use of phone answering machine messages, interesting to know about that. Thanks again.