Astrology: Character Analysis and Spell Timing: Horoscopes, Sun, Moon, Planets, Eclipses, Retrogrades

patientlywaiting · Unread post by **patientlywaiting** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:06 pm

Thanks and I literally had my jaw drop when I realized MR was occurring- my days have been kind of a dizzy blur, I realized today that the huge blowup causing me to cast this spell to begin with started on the 7th- the first day of MR.

yuri · Unread post by **yuri** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:26 am

Good day all,

I would like to just add to the topic.

I have recently started doing all my work with the planets (about 4 months now). I work at sunrise and during the day when possible at the hour of the planets. I have made time for my workings at the hours that are specified and I have had great success with the planets thus far in my business. I also work with the moon phases which to me give a lot of support to the working...

I have made my first order from LM and I am super excited to start full on workings with the planets. I am making a wooden talisman for each planet by engraving the seal etc. on it. I love working with them first thing in the morning. Since I have started doing hoodoo, I find that the morning time and the high noon time is the best for me, since the workings are moving during the day with me while I work...

I suppose in the end it is a matter of to each his own, what may work for one may not work for another due to life and time constraints. But I believe that to get the best out of this you need be dedicated and love what you do........

Thank you Jupiter...

Dragonfly72 · Unread post by **Dragonfly72** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:44 am

I cannot AGREE more with you! I'm working with the hands of the clock, usually in the evening, as the mornings are crazy!!!

Thank you St-Anthony! Thank you St-Martha! Thank you St-Jude! Thank you St-Peter!

patientlywaiting · Unread post by **patientlywaiting** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:32 pm

Thanks for this post! I am new to all of this so any new way to try something always piques my interest!

pallas · Unread post by **pallas** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:08 am

Thank you, Miss Aida, for your help. I did look at the moon phase page already.....I guess to me, scientifically, it seems confusing, that if you know the exact time the moon is "new" (say 4am on a Friday), I would think anytime after that would be waxing, even if she is still dark for a couple of days. But Cat's page also says that 2-3 days after the new moon while she is still dark, is still the dark moon or the new moon (as well as before), so it's very confusing. I just didn't know if a dark spell is best done right before it's officially the new moon, or anytime that day until after the next sunrise, at which point most moon apps (I use Deluxe Moon myself, someone else on the forum has mentioned this app as well) would say that the next day/night is considered waxing.

thanks again~

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:39 pm

Hello, pallas ,
What they're talking about is the activity.
I know, it gets complicated.
For instance, the day after the full moon is considered the waning moon but there's still full moon activity. So, tis basically tells me that although the moon is decreasing, I still have the strength of the full moon. So, I love these days.
But, your best bet would be to consult an astrologer if you want to pinpoint the exact timing. Miss cat and Deacon Millett are Astrologers (I know this for sure). There are also other AIRR members who are astrologers. I believe that Conjureman Ali, Ames Hall and Lou Florez are (but not 100% sure).
You might want to go to the AIRR webpage and see for yourself. http://readersandrootworkers.org
I personally don't get that technical.
Wishing you the very best
take care

pallas · Unread post by **pallas** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:34 pm

Work has been crazy busy so I haven't had any time for Lucky Mojo for a couple of weeks, until last night/this morning when I'm starting full moon/waning work again. Between regular work duties and last month's waning work, it left me too exhausted to do any waxing work, so I am going to try to be better about my energy for the next waxing period when I'm going to try to do positive work. I'm going to start a honey jar nonetheless, even during the waning moon.

I know Miss Cat started out early as an astrologer, and I found that fascinating, because I *love* astrology. I have a ton of books and I wanted to become a professional at some point (would have loved to do readings for people).

But I'm very scattered (no fixed elements in my chart) and have a ton of other interests (writing/photography...my Mercury is stationary in Sag in the 3rd house, conjuncting Neptune and Jupiter), and I have a very intense dark chart with relationships, with Pluto rising conjunct the Asc in 1st, opposing Mars conj the Descendent in 7th, in a Tsquare with the Sun conjuncting the Nadir in 4th.

So I'm intense! And I worry a lot (Virgo rising), and yes, details

With my astro studies I've only gotten as far as individual chart study...haven't progressed into the advanced stuff like progressions, and how they affect transits; I'm not a huge math person, but more touchy-feely.

Thanks very much for your help.

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:37 pm

Hello, pallas,
Wow! Indeed you are intense (I have a Virgo Rising so I know what you meant about worrying a lot & DETAILED!! LOL
Wishing you the best with your endeavors
Take care

Sarafina · Unread post by **Sarafina** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:33 pm

Miss Cat or anyone, what remediation would you suggest for someone with saturn and pluto in the 2nd house

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:07 pm

Hello, Sarafina,
I am not an Astrologer.
And I don't know if Miss cat will see this post.
I am also not sure if other Moderators who do know Astrology will see this post.
Your best bet would be to either wait for someone to answer this post (who knows the answer) or to go to the AIRR website and see which members can help you with this query.
Sorry about that.
Take care

enigmaticstatic · Unread post by **enigmaticstatic** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:42 pm

Hi Sarafina, what aspects are happening to pluto and saturn?

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:33 pm

Hello, enigmaticstatic,
I approved this message accidentally. So, this is my fault.
When having personal conversations, please PM that person.
Take care

lambofgoth · Unread post by **lambofgoth** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:37 am

I am doing a candle for a friend but need a little help. She is 12 hours ahead of me, time zone wise. When lighting a candle, based on planetary hours, can/should it be done in her time zone or must it be done in mine?

Thank you in advance!

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:18 pm

Hello, lambofgoth ,
If you are casting the spell, then it is your time zone that you do the work.
Also, please be mindful of where you post.
There is a subforum on this subject that I will now have to move this post and merge it to the appropriate one (which is a lot of work).
So, please make sure that you check the forum and see where the subject may be.
Had you gone to the upper right hand corner and wrote: "Timing" in the search engine, you would have found it!
Good luck with your spell

lambofgoth · Unread post by **lambofgoth** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:28 pm

Miss Aida wrote:Hello, lambofgoth ,
There is a subforum on this subject that I will now have to move this post and merge it to the appropriate one (which is a lot of work).
So, please make sure that you check the forum and see where the subject may be.
Had you gone to the upper right hand corner and wrote: "Timing" in the search engine, you would have found it!
Good luck with your spell

"Timing" brought me 700+ responses but I didn't see the subcategory! Sorry!!

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:29 pm

lambofgoth,
Okie-Dokie!

Pinky · Unread post by **Pinky** » Sat Aug 02, 2014 12:09 pm

Hello,
I am new to this site and in learning witchcraft.
However I need help and advice. I recently casted a breakup spell for someone and i casted this spell on july25th during the waning crescent moon at about 8pm. Did i cast the spell at the right time or did i do it wrong?
Please post anything helpful. Thank you so much.
Pinky

MarkiMark1776 · Unread post by **MarkiMark1776** » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:51 pm

Hi Everyone,

I've been reading contradictory information about the proper day to cast an Uncrossing spell. Most sources online say that Saturdays are the best day to do work regarding removing obstacles, jinxes, etc. But in some spell/correspondence books and other online sources, it states that Wednesdays are the best day to do this kind of work. I know that an Uncrossing spell should be cast as soon as possible and timing doesn't always have to be taken into account, but since my supplies won't arrive for another few weeks, I have time to choose the proper timing of it. So what is the proper day to cast an Uncrossing spell, Wednesday or Saturday?

Unread post by **JayDee** » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:25 pm

If it was me I would do it as soon as it comes in.. why live crossed up waiting for a specific day? I thought of saturday as a cursing day personally. Waning moon to take things away. You are getting focused on the wrong thing, who cares about a day when you are cursed! I would also add that a good ol house cleaning should be done as well. One reason you may read contradictory information is that many people were taught different ways to do things, its not that its contradicting you just were not taught as they were. A person who uses saturday energy to cast off evil may be significantly different then a person who uses weds energies.

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:45 pm

Hello, MarkiMark1776 ,
Saturday and Tuesday.
Here is the webpage that Miss cat wrote regarding this.
http://www.luckymojo.com/planetary.html
I am also moving and merging this to the appropriate subforum. Please read the posts there also.
Wishing you the best

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:41 pm

Hello, Pinky,
Welcome to the forum!
It sounds like you did it right to me! That's EXACTLY what I would have done!
Congrats!

Pinky · Unread post by **Pinky** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:34 pm

Hello Miss Aida
I was told that when casting spells , i need to be careful about ( void of course) or V/C? I was told it means this...Just before the moon enters a new sign, it makes a final aspect ( angular relationship ) to another planet, Between the last aspect and the new one is said to be the ” void of course “. Spells done during this time will rarely come into fruition or will have a completely different outcome..
So I casted this break up spell on july 25 th at 8pm. Wasnt that the wrong timing ? Can you please check the calendar explain this to me because i am totally confused. :/ And im not sure if my spell will work although in hoping it does

. Thanks so much!
Pinky

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:27 pm

Hello, Pinky ,
The Moderators don't do this.
However, I just happen to have a calendar right in front of me so I'll check.........
Yes, there was a void of course at that time until 10:25 pm Eastern Standard time.
I personally don't start spells when the moon is void of course (V/C).
If you start a spell before V/C then it runs into it, that's fine.
Now, some rootworkers don't pay attention to moon phases and things like this so, it's just a matter of preference.
I personally would start again and, this time, make sure that you don't do that.
But, REMEMBER: that's just how I practice and other rootworkers don't practice that way
I hope this helps
Take care

ravenmaven · Unread post by **ravenmaven** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:25 am

Hi, all! There are two minor changes in my circumstances that are affecting the timing of my spell work, (simultaneous love and break up work) and I wanted to run them by you for ideas.

1) Time of Day: I cannot work at dawn for love-drawing.

First, I've started a medication that makes it difficult to get up at dawn to do love work. Second, there is a minor issue with my room mate: The smell of candles bothers him. That leads me to wanting to do the majority of work when he's not around, so either during the day on weekdays while he's at work or late at night when he's asleep.

For these reasons I'm effectively losing mornings to work in, which is a blow to my love work.

2) Is time of day really important; isn't intent more important?

Do you think doing love drawing work at night is less effective than the afternoon, or is the difference determined largely by intent?

3) Planetary Symbolism: I cannot work on Saturdays against my enemy in a breakup spell.

Because my room mate is home on the weeends, I am also losing Saturdays, which is a blow to my breakup work. Working solely at night isn't as big a constraint. I actually feel most powerful and focused at night, even for love work. But losing Saturday for the breakup work is tough. I work my sugar jar on M, W, and F, but now I only have Tu for breakup.

I've read through this thread and others that lead me to believe as long as my intention is strong I can use another day - but which other day?

4) Planetary Symbolism: Can I substitute another week day by "subverting" its planetary symbolism?

Thursday feels awkward - since it's a money day I tend to use it for wishing financial success on the relationship I want, but could I use it to wish financial curses on the relationship I want to break up? Can one subvert planetary influence in intent during the spell that way (I.e. Wednesdays for promoting communication in love work AND creating misunderstanding in curse/breakup work)?

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:43 am

ravenmaven: One other option is to look into another practitioner or worker doing the work for you, if the appropriate times cannot be met. I suggest looking into this if it is a possible option for your continued work.

Unread post by **JayDee** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:54 am

Ravenmaven,

It is not uncommon to do work when you can or need to. But if you select a system of timing, you should abide by it.

That being said if you cant do work in the morning then do it when you can.

Not all workers use the planetary days of the week, some use the moon and its sign its in to do work.

There are many ways to adapt the work and still use the planets. For instance, you could work by a chart of classical planetary hours. Look this up on the web.

Some people use the hands on a clock to time their work, having the hands drop they do negative or sending away work, and the hands rising while they do drawing or prosperity work.

How are these all "a blow to" your work?

With a look at it like that it seems the days of the week not the spirit of the work and the natural herbs is doing all the work here! Why cant you burn the candle on Thursday and do your other work. It's not uncommon to have different works going at different times on separate work spaces.

As for intent, yes that is important as natural talent and the connection with the spirit of the work. Praying and getting that prayer answered. I work mostly in the afternoon as well, mainly because I work super early and I feel more energized in the afternoon.

Tradition is the morning because the sun is rising on you so its bringing it to you.

Not sure if I helped at all with your question.

ravenmaven · Unread post by **ravenmaven** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:18 pm

Thank you, Joseph! Sadly I don't have the budget to have a practitioner do work on my behalf, but I'll definitely keep that in mind.

Unread post by **DocMurphy** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:04 pm

Hi All --

I'm suddenly very interested in Astrological Remediation work for myself and my healing and spiritual discipline. I'm thinking of looking to my astrological birth chart as a template for inner work.

I've been reading reading reading the links in the LMCC Website and am excited about the creative opportunities for spellwork and contemplative work with these Planetary Products and Zodiacal Products.

I'm intrigued to hear from folks that do astrological remediation as part of their work about methods they like to use or recommend.... I was thinking of maybe an oil lamp for myself that contained my zodiacal oil, and maybe got a drip of the planetary oil of the day put in it each morning... or something... not clear yet, but I'm thinking in terms or steady, contemplative, ongoing work rather than something like a candle purpose-spell or a mojo...you know, something I can "do" or "set" every day or night... a simple ritual, or devotional-type thing...

Does this make sense?... Thanks if you can help or make better recommendations than what I'm conceiving of here....

Doc Murphy
St. Paul, MN

ravenmaven · Unread post by **ravenmaven** » Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:10 am

And ...

5) How crucial is it not to skip days?

I fully intended to do intense breakup spell work today but I got hit by really bad fatigue and wasn't able to work, let alone do spell work.

If I do the work at midnight tomorrow(Wednesday as it becomes Thursday), and additionally on Thursday at midnight (as it becomes Friday), would that be appropriate?

I could tailor the wording to emphasize miscommunication on Wednesday, and pray over it for success in my aims on Thursday.

Unless you think I should just wait for next week? :/

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:03 am

Dear ravenmaven,

You are engaged in so much "special pleading" that you are fighting your own work at this point. Based on my experience with black American folk magic and its effectiveness in achieving a break-up at the same time as a love spell, i think you are wandering away from your focus on the work.

1) Time of Day: I cannot work at dawn for love-drawing.

If you cannot work at dawn to draw in love, you have lost a powerful natural ally, the Sun. You will be working without the energy of the rising Sun. Is your little intent to get your lover back stronger than the intent of the Sun, which holds our entire solar system in check and rises in our sight every morning like clockwork, as predictable as the play of light and shadow and the seasons its north-south movements mark? I doubt it. I'd guess at a bet that the sun is a whole lot stronger than you. It is in recognition of the power, majesty, and regularity of the rising of the Sun that we work at dawn to draw love. We harness our small human energies to this greater, larger energy, like plugging our weak little cell phone into the big electrical grid to charge it.

2) Is time of day really important; isn't intent more important?

Yes, in the practice of hoodoo folk magic, time of day is "really important." I am not speaking here for other folk magic systems, only for conjure.

I am not saying that as a rootworker you cannot work "against the Sun," or that in hoodoo all magical work must be done "with the Sun" to be effective.

I am saying that if you, as a root worker or spiritual practitioner, wish to take the Sun into consideration, then the Sun must be accepted as the one who sets YOUR time, not vice versa, because the Sun works for you every day, with a will and power that sustains your very life. Think of it, before you were born and got your intentions together and after you die and your intentions are but memories, the Sun will still be rising every morning at dawn.

So let us weigh that against your intent.

"As the Sun rises in the East =(inexorably, inevitably, daily, with dignity, with life-sustaining power, with unstoppable force)= bring my lover back to me!"

Compare that to --

"When my room mate is asleep, bring my lover back to me!"

The latter prayer might better be performed without ANY timing aspects. Certainly excusing your timing as being due to your room mate is weak and self-defeating. Your intent is seen as less than your room mate's. You will not build up much magical force that way.

So either work according to the timing you want, or don't work by that system of timing.

Working according to your room mate's timing is folly.

3) Planetary Symbolism: I cannot work on Saturdays against my enemy in a breakup spell.

Saturday is the day devoted to stern, lawful, restrictive, gloomy, dark, powerful Saturn. If you cannot bring that type of energy to bear on the work in alliance with that planet, then it would be better to abandon excuse-making about it. Saturn is the law-giver. We work with Saturn against enemies to enforce natural law; it is especially effective when a transgressor have broken up a legitimate marriage.

4) Planetary Symbolism: Can I substitute another week day by "subverting" its planetary symbolism?

This is a ridiculously narcissistic notion. You are going to try to "subvert" the energy of Jupiter, the gigantic hot gas ball of expansive, generous, enlarging, benevolent financial energy and seek thundering Jupiter's alliance as you "wish financial curses on the relationship [you] want to break up"? HAHAHAHA. You think you are bigger than Jupiter, that you can "subvert" Jupiter? Oh, child, don't. Just don't.

5) How crucial is it not to skip days?

The reason we work in a pattern of days is to demonstrate, by our oaths and vows, the imposition of our will upon the fabric of the days and of time. For those days -- be it three or seven days, or a week's work of days, or a year's worth of Sundays, our intentions are fixed to a purpose and by our focus and faithfulness to our intent, we seek to bring the larger world into conformity of our will. For those times we assume the grandeur and power of an entity as strong and regular as the Moon or the Sun, or a force as mighty and regular as the tides or the seasons.

If we "skip a day," we fail. That is all. We fail to manifest a simple power of regular repetition that even a dog can manifest when it wakes you up every morning asking to be let out to pee.

When you "skip a day," where will your dog pee? On the rug. Oops. The dog "made a mistake." And so do you when you "skip a day" in your spell work. Now clean up the mess and start over.

I hope this helps.

ravenmaven · Unread post by **ravenmaven** » Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:11 pm

Thank you for your insight, Cat! Incorporating many different approaches from the forum to my practice is delightful but also sometimes overwhelming, so strong opinions help me recalibrate.

I'll admit, I'm getting decent to really great results from my love work regardless of the way my practical concerns get in the way of scheduling. I made a reconciliation sugar jar that worked almost instantly, which was a huge surprise to me, and I was only able to burn candles and pray over it at night rather than at dawn, so I'm reluctant to start the jars over if I'm getting movement from them. I'll look into it, though, anything (within reason) to make my work stronger!

But I'm totally fine starting my breakup work over. I was already going to, and other rootworkers encouraged me to keep working with my current jars until my new order of ingredients arrives from LM.

That being said, I thrive more on consistency in general, so I'll try to work something out with my room mate. (Maybe I can burn candles when he's out, but pray over them at dawn?) My spell work is important, but not getting kicked out of my apartment is also important.

And no matter how fatigued I am or out of it due to my medication I won't skip days in the future, even if it's just to give the vinegar jars a good shake! Actually, by that metric I haven't really been skipping days at all, I just don't always have the health to burn candles and pray, because I use a lot of energy when I do.

Perhaps the key here is to try a different method of timing, since the mundane aspects of my life seem to be in conflict with day of the week work? Should I try going by hands of the clock instead?

I will try to follow your advice to the letter, inasmuch as my circumstances (health, room mate) allow! Thank you for your time!

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:56 pm

Hello, ravenmaven,

To answer your last question, that would be up to you.

See what works for you and what doesn't. Maybe even get yourself a notebook and write down your spell timing and what was successful and what wasn't.

Wishing you the best
Take care

ravenmaven · Unread post by **ravenmaven** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:07 am

Thank you so much, Miss Aida! You're always so encouraging.

I've started keeping a spell work journal and I'll make a note to try different techniques in regard to timing. I think I'll try to go with planetary hours as well as days. That affords me a little more flexibility and other rootworkers seem to have lots of success with them, and when I started working I felt a lot of power drawing from them.

Miss Cat, I am a little confused about what you said regarding skipping days, and what I meant by subverting planetary influences.

1. Obviously it's not ideal that I can't work every day, but one AIRR rootworker I hired for a reading and advice told me it was all right to gradually do less work (I.e. breakup work every day, then every Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday, then every Tuesday and Saturday, then every Saturday).

A. Does that also conflict with "skipping days"?

B. I always do intensive love work at least once a week and breakup work at least once a week, and I shake my sugar and vinegar jars every day. As a baseline, is that okay? I'd obviously prefer to work every day, but until I also need to adjust to my medication and work and all that boring everyday stuff.

2. The same rootworker told me that since my breakup work needs more oomph, I could tailor my prayers to certain days - specifically to burn candles on Wednesday and pray to impede communication and Thursday to pray to Jupiter to ensure my success. They said Wednesday and Thursday are more "neutral" than Monday and Friday, which are more love and healing oriented, and Tuesday and Saturday, which are curse oriented, and so I could do both love and curse work on Wednesday and Thursday. I don't want to contradict what you said, I'm just trying to clarify it for myself so I can set a schedule.

Thank you again!

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:08 am

Ravenmaven, what is striking me about both of your posts here is your lack of familiarity. You don't seem to quite understand the notion of "timing" in hoodoo. Hoodoo is not just a set of spells, it is part of a spiritual practice deeply tied to culture. Similarly you show a lack of familiarity in regards to what exactly the planetary associations of the days of the week are.

You are confused about "skipping days." What you are not getting is that when you commit to doing work for a certain timeframe be it 3, 7, 13, 21 days or more you are making making an oath that you keep. You are working in repetition to build enough power to enforce your will onto the very fabric of life. When I tell a client that they need to do bathing work for 13 days every day at dawn and they commit to it, but then come back and say one day they were just too tired and did it at night. This tells me that they lack the will power to overcome their own fatigue much less their condition. If you lack the will power to see through waking up and doing work then how on earth do you expect your will to change reality? If you lack the strength over your own weaknesses and doubts you cannot hope to succeed against the much larger forces of life.

This has absolutely nothing to do with ending the work or "winding down." This is completely different. Sooner or later most work comes to an end. If I commit to doing work for 21 days and stop at the end of that, I am not skipping the work, I am merely bringing the work to its natural conclusion. If you commit yourself to working in a certain fashion for a dedicated period of time and you cannot see that through for whatever reason, that is a problem.

Timing comes down to drawing upon the natural power of the forces of nature and building power by repetition and invoking the timing symbolism you are working with.

In regards to planetary associations you are confused too. There is nothing "neutral" about Jupiter which rules Thursday. Jupiter is quite literally known as the Greater Benefic in astrology. Working with the planetary associations of the days of the week has nothing to do with subverting, it has everything to do with invoking the power of the celestial bodies whose movement and force are like the tides of the sea. You learn how to ride the tide to draw upon its natural awesomeness. You can't over rationalize the tide.

A quick understanding of those days:

Sunday-Ruled by the Sun which rules matters of fame, success, joy, healing, family, and personal growth
Monday-Ruled by the Moon which rules matters of emotion, healing, family, psychism, the tides, dreams, and visions.
Tuesday-Ruled by Mars which rules matters of war, conflict, destruction, strength, vitality, and competition
Wed-Ruled by Mercury which rules matters of business, transaction, communication, travel, luck, and learning
Thursday-Ruled by Jupiter which rules matters of success, justice, religion, authority, prosperity, higher education, and growth
Friday-Ruled by Venus which rules matters of love, sex, fecundity, fertility, as well as luxury
Saturday-Ruled by Saturn which rules matters of time, discipline, punishment, restriction, old age, and death

To work with these forces you do not "subvert" them. You need to understand how to work with them. For example, you can do work on Wed in order to bring luck, to improve communication, or to open roads. On the other hand Mercury as a trickster can also be called upon to make those roads and communication difficult. This is what your rootworker likely meant. If you want to attack someone's finances then you work with Saturday the day of restriction, not with Thursday which is about growth and prosperity.

What I see you doing is you are stretching your thinking in order to accommodate *your* situation rather than learning how to tap into these forces through understanding. If you can't time your work then fine work by need alone. But don't try to stretch and mangle the meanings just to rationalize your situation. Over thinking is a killer here.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:16 am

Astrological remediation can take a variety of forms. It can mean making a special astrological talisman, it can mean working with a lamp, or any variety of working. It is all about what issues is trying to be resolved. You'd need to know your birth chart, the issues it presents, and what type of working would best aid it. For example the elemental associations are sometimes used to determine whether work with fire is needed, bathing, incense, a talisman etc.

Given it is a complicated subject you might consider setting up magical coaching with one of the astrologers of AIRR like Deacon Millett, Professor Ames, and Miss Cat. You'd want to come prepared with your birth chart and they can go over it with you and set up the proper strategies. It's a great way to learn.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:36 am

ravenmaven,

1) SKIPPING MEANS SKIPPING. If your doctor says "Take this medication every 4 hours and you skip a dose, that's BAD. Why, because you don't retain enough of the medication in your system and the illness may come back. But if your doctor says take one pill every 24 hours and you do so, that's GOOD. Why, because that's all you need in you to keep the work of healing going on. The frequency was set differently and you did not "skip" three 4-hour intervals; you took the pill every 24 hours.

A. Setting an adjusted schedule with a reduced frequency over time is not the same as "skipping days." Say you grew up in a house with an old fashioned oven that had to be cleaned once a week or it got full of gunk. Now they have self-cleaning (so-called) ovens and you only have to clean them once a month. You are not "skipping" three weeks of cleaning -- you have set your frequency to once-a-month cleaning.

If it was unclear above, let me explain again in terms of medications, by analogy. Think of a three-times a week regimen (Monday - Wednesday - Friday) as three doses of medication in the week. If you skipped Monday, you skipped a dose of medication. Setting a weekly schedule (every Friday, for instance) is NOT the same as "skipping a day," because if you set a once-a-week schedule, you would have to skip an entire WEEK (one Friday) to have "skipped a day." Likewise, if you set a once-a-month schedule (the first Sunday of the month, for instance), you would have to have skipped an entire month to have "skipped a day."

Get it?

B. I am not talking about a "baseline" of daily work and until now, neither have you been doing so. This topic is not about how OFTEN you do what you do, it is about effectively working with Planetary forces as exemplified through the days of the week. See the thread title.

I think this is the source of our communication problems -- you do not seem to fully engage with the idea of planetary forces. Shaking up a spell once a day is a DAILY event; it is working by the TIME OF DAY. This thread is about Planetary influences, the aid and assistance you may receive from the rulers of the seven sacred planets, represented in some cultures (such as ancient Greek and Roman religions) by seven deities and in other cultures (including Judaism and Zoroastrianism) by the seven Archangels. There is another thread about timing by time of day.

2. Wednesday and Thursday are not "neutral." That is foolishness. I think you misunderstood. Yes, there are days that are "neutral" with regard to specific petitions or desires, but that does not make their days ipso facto "neutral days."

I think you are all up in your own little work of break up and love, and you are not seeing the big picture of how planetary energies actually are employed in magic.

Every planet is supportive of a given range of petitions. Every planet is oppositional to a given range of petitions. Every planet is neutral to a given range of petitions. Let me explain by using a few samples.

A. Say you are man who has no children and you are an honest gambler or a crooked gambler or a thief. In all three cases, your planet would therefore be Mercury and your best day Wednesday. You might also want to target Thursday, dedicated to wealthy Jupiter. The night from Wednesday going into Thursday would be a good time to do magical work supportive of your career. But Monday is the day of the Moon. It is watery, female, dedicated to the womb and to sailors at sea. You have no interest in that and none of that going on in your life. With respect to your work, therefore, Monday is a "neutral" day.

B. Okay, now flip the script. Say you are a woman who is pregnant and you are also a oceanographic sailor and you live on the sea. What day do you work? Why, Monday, of course! Monday is not at all "neutral" to YOUR cause. And Tuesday? Totally off your map and "neutral" to your cause.

Do you see?

The statement you made that "Tuesday and Saturday [are] curse oriented" is shorthand, and, in terms of teaching newcomers, it is too short and too abbreviated to help them learn. Let me unpack it for you:

Tuesday is Mars-day -- War, curses of fire and sword, the hammer blow, the striking fists!

Saturday is Saturn-day -- Darkness, gloom, depression, restriction, binding.

Yes, those represent two kinds of curses -- but they are NOT by any means the same.

Also, Tuesday rules blood. You can work to heal blood diseases on Tuesday, and healing is not a curse.

Likewise, Saturday rules control of growth. You can work to restrict the growth of cancerous diseases on Saturday. And that is not a curse.

I hope this helps you clarify your thinking about the planets and the days of the week.

ravenmaven · Unread post by **ravenmaven** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:41 pm

That was VERY helpful, thank you so much! My apologies for any misunderstanding or mangling of practices. For what it's worth I really am seeing movement, so I know I'm doing okay - but I do tend to overthink things, as demonstrated! Guidance is much appreciated, thank you CMA and Miss Cat!

The bit about planetary influences being "neutral" in regard to *certain petitions or intentions* clarified SO MUCH for me, thank you for that, I've already taken notes in my spell work journal!

CMA, do you think given my current (and hopefully temporary) chronic fatigue and medical conditions it might be better to set twice-weekly goals of candle burning and do extra work when I can?

Miss Cat, while it's not ideal, my medication timing prevents me from getting up at dawn like I used to for love work. If I work at night, will that undermine my prayers because they fall outside of traditional timing?

As for the curse work, I'm reconciled to beginning the breakup work anew. I'll deploy the current jars as soon as I have what I need to make a new one.

In your estimation, if I'm seeing decent movement - but not SPECTACULAR movement - on my sugar jar and love doll, should I start those over? My gut says no - I feel bad about skipping days on it, but I have put a lot of energy into them and they're quietly responsive. But I defer to you!

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:43 pm

ravenmaven,

Working by the time of day and clock hands has its own topic thread. I have written there extensively and i do not wish to digress into that topic in this thread on planetary influences. Please read that thread for more responses to your question, and if you have further questions, ask in that thread. Thanks.

ravenmaven · Unread post by **ravenmaven** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:28 pm

Will do!

Unread post by **DocMurphy** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:03 pm

Thanks for the response, Conjureman Ali.

I actually since posting have indeed been in touch with Professor Ames on this. Glad again to see i'm on the right track.

Thanks much!

Doc Murphy
St. Paul, MN

ravenmaven · Unread post by **ravenmaven** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:27 pm

I just wanted to say, thank you CMA and CY for steering me right earlier! I'm on a new medication that gives me a lot more energy, and I've streamlined my spell work so I do breakup work FOR SURE at least once a week and love work for sure at least once a week. I think I will see much better movement and outcomes now, especially in my breakup work once I start the jar anew!

Blessings!

affie · Unread post by **affie** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:01 pm

Hi all, I need a little advice on my situation and Mercury retrograde. long story short, my ex and I have been broken up two years now, we now are speaking and have gotten back close. He mentions he misses me and still cares ect, and I've had all this confirmed by two airr readers. I had a come to me candle done last month and it was successful and I've been advised to do a healing vigil candle for him to help get over his hurt so we can move past our past, that is also being done by an airr worker. However in my two readings, the first reader advises me I should follow my heart when it comes to him and listen to the little voice within there and not my head as that just makes me be mean to him and pushes him away, I took that advice and it has worked amazing, but after following that advice I spent a weekend with him (out first in a year and it was amazing!) and I got Mack to my city and he became somewhat distant, so I had another reading to see if it was because he had someone and I was told that heis scared of being hurt again and that he feels like he let me back in so that's the reason for his distance, I was also told also because Mercury would be in retrograde in a few days I shouldn't expect communication from him..... Then something happened last night made me angry at him and I deleted him off all my social networks, so my question is, because of the Mercury retrograde should I just not contact my ex Til it's over? And can someone tell me a bit about why Mercury retrograde would affect our communication?

Unread post by **J-Mo** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:38 pm

Hello affie,

Mercury retrograde is a period of time when the planet Mercury appears to be going backwards in the sky. The planet mercury rules communication, travel etc. so this is a time when things are misheard, communication breaks down and things are just generally chaotic. If I were in your shoes i would tread very lightly with him until mercury goes direct. Have you thought about doing a honey jar on him once Mercury goes direct http://www.luckymojo.com/honeyjar.html also, i have known people who use Mercury oil to help ease the symptoms of a retrograde http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatoils.html

best of luck!

affie · Unread post by **affie** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:45 pm

I actually had a healing vigil candle done for him by the airr worker..... So now I'm just waiting for it to be finished burning. Honey jar..... I've considered it but I'm still unsure.

Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:14 am

I have the King Solomon Wisdom spell kit. It says to do the spell before dawn. I don't have a job yet, but I'm worried that I may have a job by the time I do the spell (within this month) and my hours will make it impossible for me to do the spell at the proper time. So besides before dawn, what would be the best time to do spells for creative inspiration, intelligence, and King Solomon Wisdom spells?

Also, I have the books on candle burning and The Black Folder, but it doesn't really go into detail about what noon and midnight are used for. Is midnight, the witching hour, just a time whenever magic as a whole is stronger? What about noon?

Lastly, is it possible to use the rising and falling of the moon for roughly the same purposes as the rising and setting of the sun?

Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:20 am

What's the best day for the blessing weight loss mojo bag? I've already done it on Saturday because Saturn is supposed to deal with losing things and getting rid of things. Is that the best day? I wonder if Sunday, Tuesday, or Friday are best, Sunday because of blessings and health, Tuesday because of athleticism, and Friday because of beauty.

Unread post by **natstein** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:27 am

Hello Luckbewithme876,

Timing is one of those things that varies from worker to worker. I like working by the moon in terms of its waxing and waning (not so much in terms of what sign it is for me though) but if I have a situation that needs addressing and not the time to wait for the moon to get where I would like it I just do the work any way. So Ultimately do the spell when it works best for you to do it. Now if you can get some timing things behind you I think that is a great idea an can be helpful. This is a positive working so you could do it when the hands of the clock are rising, While the moon is waxing, on a Sunday, Wednesday, or Friday maybe depending on the nature of the work.

As far as the noon/midnight timing of things, I have heard that the half hour before noon/midnight is for good or positive works and the half hour after noon/midnight is for revenge/negative. This probably comes from the hands of the clock style rising/falling of timing things but other people would know better than I on that. I hope this is helpful!

Peace~

Nathen

Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:40 am

Thanks for the answer, Nathen.

Alright, I'll just do it whenever the hands are rising. Would Wednesday be the best day for a King Solomon spell? I'm assuming it is because it's related to intelligence, wisdom, writing, etc.

Yes, it is helpful.

I'll keep it in mind.

Unread post by **natstein** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:03 am

Hello Luckbewithme876,

Any of the days you mention would work fine for the reasons you mentioned though I think Saturday would work better than the rest. Part of this kind of depends on how you plan to work with the weight loss. If you plan to do it through portion control than maybe Saturday, If you plan to workout a lot than maybe Tuesday. Sunday is good for about any positive working in my book. But for just general weight loss and or a multi-pronged approach to doing it I would work it on a Saturday.

Peace~

Nathen

Unread post by **natstein** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:46 am

Hello Luckbewithme876,

Wednesday is a great day for communication type work! So if that ties in with what you are wanting I say go for it!

Peace~

Nathen

Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:21 pm

natstein,

Well it's not actually about communication per se. It's by far mostly centered around writing, specifically a prose fiction series, and creativity and writing a good book series. None of the days described on the site give me a good picture of what day that would best be worked on. I was thinking either Wednesday or Friday, the latter because literature is technically an art.

Does the day matter, in this case?

Unread post by **JayDee** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:48 pm

Hello Luckbewithme876,

Some people do not work with the hours of the planets and some do work when they need it. So in your case writing is ruled by Mercury, so a Mercury hour on Mercury's day (Wednesy) would be good, but you are also working for simple gain or good luck, so you could choose a different system of thought and do as I do -- I would do so when the hands of the clock are moving up ward or during the morning when the sun rises to bring success.

Unread post by **natstein** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:50 pm

Hello Luckbewithme876,

Given what you just described Wednesday sounds like your day! I wish you lots of luck and success in your work! keep us posted on how things turn out!

Peace~

Nathen

Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:20 pm

Nathen and j82,

Thanks for the prompt replies, again.

And I'll post in the KSW spell kit thread to let you know how it works, sure.

Juxtapose · Unread post by **Juxtapose** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:04 pm

Hello All!
Does anyone have any idea whether the blood moons were good or bad times to do conjure? The Bible says that the moon will turn to blood before the great day of the Lord!! They were on Jewish holy days this year (Passover & Tabernacles) and also will be happening on the SAME holy days next year (Passover & Tabernacles) - good or bad in your opinions?? I did some love work (YES, using LM products) and was wondering..thanks!

Juxtapose · Unread post by **Juxtapose** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:35 pm

Hello All!
Does anyone have any idea whether the blood moons were good or bad times to do conjure? The Bible says that the moon will turn to blood before the great day of the Lord!! They were on Jewish holy days this year (Passover & Tabernacles) and also will be happening on the SAME holy days next year (Passover & Tabernacles) - good or bad in your opinions?? I did some enemy work (YES, using LM products) and was wondering..thanks!

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:45 pm

Hello, AsherDorian ,

In all honesty, I have never pad attention to that.

Some practitioners do. So, maybe a rootworke who works with the exact moons can answer your query.

We will have to wait and see if anyone else answers

Sorry!

venusblue · Unread post by **venusblue** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:55 pm

I hope I'm not posting this in the wrong forum, as it's a question about doll babies but also about moon phases. I got my herbs from lucky mojo, and have put the herbs and most of the other stuff I am using in, when I'm ready to seal it up I'll put the remaining herbs and papers I wrote. I feel like I should do this tomorrow, on Friday, despite the whole Mercury Retrograde because I think I should start working the doll before my husband has the meeting with his old boss about a job that would probably be the end of any reconciliation. But I know tomorrow is the new moon and was curious as to any thoughts anyone might have about that? I do tend to consider moon phases and astrology quite a bit in general in my life, but my gut tells me this is too important to fret too much about it this time.

I'm trying to take a step back and not get too caught up, I'm worried that the stress of being in such a difficult place in life right now is mucking up my thinking.

Unread post by **ProfessorAmes** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:02 pm

Hi VenusBlue,
Typically in Hoodoo, you do the work when you need it rather than wait for astrologically auspicious occasions. Sometimes things just can't wait that long, but of course if you have the moment then seize it.

Timing in hoodoo follows one of several patterns:
* Moon cycles - waxing moon for anything you want to increase, waning moon to decrease
* hands of the clock - the hands of the clock in a downward motion (hands between 12 and 6 on the right side of the clockface) for things you want to get rid of and in an upward motion for things you want to increase (hands between 6 and 12 or the left side of the clock face)
* Moon in the signs - this is probably derived from the farmer's almanac regarding planting by the signs, but corresponding with the rulership of the signs.
* Other astrological phenomenon - while this may not have been as common, traditional rootworkers often knew about and had access to astrological charts and ephemeris.
* Days of the week - for instance doing money work on Friday. This could be because of the rulership of the day by Venus or the simple fact that most people got paid on Fridays.
* Rising and setting sun - not so much a timing as a direction, but to bring something to you, throw it toward the rising sun. To get rid of it (e.g., an uncrossing bath) toss it toward the setting sun (west).

I'm sure there are others, but most of these can be leveraged within a day or two or even during the day to help boost your work.

Best of luck.

venusblue · Unread post by **venusblue** » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:24 am

ProfessorAmes,

Wonderful information, thank you very much.