Too Many Spells, Spell Burn-Out, Spell Overload

Unread post by **Tabbylove17** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:50 pm

starsinthesky,

I agree, but that's just my nature, so I definately want to get something to help me out in that situation, so I don't sabotage my work.

sangamo1 · Unread post by **sangamo1** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:30 pm

i've gotten better....I burned a road opener and on the petition included mental obstacles. It didnt work a miracle but it helped. Candle probably hasnt finished burning yet but that seems to be working (could be a coincidence as a few months time has passed) The thoughta of her on my mind is a bit less now, and when they do surface and are closer to the back of my mind, and they go away faster. Theymainly consisted of occassional romantic feelings for her and the events, people, and problems that caused us to grow apart. I havent really thought much about what she is thinking presently, or time it will take, etc. and I have stopped checking up on her aways and facebook constantly. Progress has been slow. It's been really hard since I have alot of spare time due to being an unemployed college graduate.

I think i will wait a couple weeks before i send in for more burnings.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:08 am

If you are unemployed college graduate ( I was there a year ago) then you need to do a job spell. Many people concentrate so hard on what they dont have and what they think they need, that they forget about themselves. A friend of mine on this forum...I recommended she did a job spell because she was just throwing spell after love spell on her target, and was getting frustrated, and totally freaking out. To take her mind off things, I told her to do a job spell since she desperately need a job. Needless to say she has a job now, and has seen so much movement from her target in the past few weeks.

So do a few spells that will help you out on your own life...to become a better person such as a job...money spell, going out more, new friends, or a study spell if you are student. Any kind of spell that is going to make you a better person. It will help you take your mind off the other spells you are doing especially a love spell.

Unread post by **Tabbylove17** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:07 pm

I definately plan on doing some spells for myself, but I also want to do one for reconciliation because I feel that the reason why we aren't talking is just silly and we both need to get over our egos and talk. I am about to graduate myself and need a job, so I will most definately be getting something done.

redacepilot · Unread post by **redacepilot** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:51 pm

I was told that figural candle are helpful in cleansing, so while you do the cleansing burn her a white figural candle, write her name on the candle 3 times, rub jinx remover oil, or uncrossing oil all over the candle while in deep thoughts repeating psalm number 40,write what you want for her on a parchmnent paper(want all harm and witch craft to be removed, and for her to be cleansed), place the parchment paper in a foil paper and place together on the bottom with the foil paper on the very bottom, you can now light the candle and pray over it.

Elrick · Unread post by **Elrick** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:35 pm

starinthesky7:

Have to completely agree with you here. I find if I obsess and hope to see results that very night or next couple of days can be very damaging and even counterproductive to ones work.

butterfly2 · Unread post by **butterfly2** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:23 pm

hello all. if you are currently working on a spell that lets say takes 7 days or even 9 days, etc. is it ok to begin another spell within that time (or even the same day) or is it better to wait until you are completely finished with the 1st spell?

thanks,
butterfly

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:24 pm

If the spells are for different goals, i would work them at different altars. Otherwise, it's okay to work them in parallel or in series.

rickets · Unread post by **rickets** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:55 am

You can also make specific areas on one table for each goal, and make a barrier via powders and chalk. Sprinkle some of the powder that has to do with the type of magic, love powder for love, money attraction for money, etc, in a line on the chalk. Seems to work

butterfly2 · Unread post by **butterfly2** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:26 pm

thanks so much. this really does shed some light.

butterfly

Suavecita · Unread post by **Suavecita** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:14 pm

I would like to know, I have just finished lighting a set of candles (hot foot, breakup) for my husband and his lover. Actually I had LM light them for me. The last candle was done (or ended) on 7/14. My question is, I was thinking of having another set of lights done but I'm not sure if its too soon. Should I wait some time to see if the work I had done will take effect? if so, how long should I wait? or should I light another set? I don't want to light them too soon if I don't need to. Also, if I do light another set now, will that make the work go faster? I am new to this so don't know how it works. From what I have read, you can't be to anxious so I am trying to be very patient but I do want to make sure the work continues to be strong and will take effect.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:52 pm

By you doing candle after candle, its like you do not believe in the work. I would give it at least 3-4 weeks to give the spell sometime to manifest. Sometimes doing TOO much is not such a good idea. Give the spell you are doing sometime to manifest. Also, do not be afraid to study some things on your own. I am assuming you have close proximity to your husband, or at least know his wear abouts. Perhaps you can do a foot trick, sprinkle some powder in his path. Start out small, and TRUST that your spells are going to work. But like I said I would wait 3-4 weeks just in time for the moon to be waning again. Then give it another go.

Unread post by **cabriellenil** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:09 pm

Hi everyone - I haven't really burnt candles continuously in the past, except for honey jar. Now I'd like to ask, why would you say that doing too many works (be it simple or complex) would back fire? Because you're sending out a signal that you believe you won't succeed, or that they'd be too heavy on the target and s/he would, like Mary said, blow hot and then cold very quickly? Or the effects of the spells would interfere with one another? Or what else?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:16 am

I didnt say back fire. But when you keep lighting candle after candle, and doing trick after trick...it really takes a toll on you because your energy is not 100%. That is why I really like to take breaks when I am doing spells for myself. Also, it gives a chance for the spell energy to release. On the other hand, doing spell after spell (Im talking about lighting a candle for situation everyday for like a month or something ridiculous) then that shows that you do not trust your spell, and your work. Its better to perform the spell at your best, and then release the energy and try to forget about the spell. More is not always more. You can burn 10 candles and not see any results. But you can burn 1 candle with well focused, and concentration. Then I would hit the situation from another angle, and then let the energy of the spell release.

Spells do not necessarily interview with one another. I mean if you are doing a break up spell to break the target away from their lover, that does not mean a few days later you can't do a come to me spell on the target. They tend to operate independently, and spells take the less resistant road travel...meaning the road with the less obstacles. That is why it is important to do road opener so that you can open up all avenues to get the spell energy to travel to the goal.

I am not sure what Mary meant by the hot cold concept (hopefully she will respond

) but i was explained by a practitioner when I was first learning that it is like turning the lights on and off constantly on the spell work, and the target. By you doing this, you will never enjoy the energy, the light, because you keep turning the lights on and off. Its better to just give the spells time to manifest, and give yourself a break.

Suavecita · Unread post by **Suavecita** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:50 am

Thanks for the input. That is what I wasn't sure about, because I don't want to do too much. I will hold off until maybe a month or so and try again. Hopefully it will work. Its not that I don't trust it won't its just that I am new at this so don't know much about the outcome. LIke I said, I had LM do the lights for me and I DO trust them, so I will wait. I have shed many tears because of my husband and his mistress and I want them to get their fair share. I was thinking of doing another set of candles plus a break up bottle spell, but in this case, I will wait and see what happens with the lights I had set for them and in about a month or so I will try again if they haven't already broken up.

SouthernGirl · Unread post by **SouthernGirl** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:22 pm

Suavecita,

If it's been a month since the candle work and you've seen NO results, you may need to go at this from a different angle. Even better, consult a professional reader who can advise you about possible obstacles and can work with you on a plan of action to take. It may be that there have been some signs that haven't been relayed in your original post.

For something like this, you may need a many layered approach as well as some advice about personal spiritual protection/cleansing for any work you do yourself.

Best of luck to you.

Suavecita · Unread post by **Suavecita** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:44 pm

HI!

I didn't say that its been a month since I did the work..I said I will wait a month before I do MORE work. The lights were set just last July 14th or so. I just didn't know if I should try again so soon or wait. I don't know if they are working so far or not, Haven't seen much but I am going to try to schedule a reading with Cat.

Desmes · Unread post by **Desmes** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:43 am

Hello everybody! i am a new beginner, and i want to my boyfriend back so badly. For this purpose can i cast spell and hoodoo at same time without waiting.
Thank you.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 11:30 am

Im not sure why you see a spell and hoodoo as two separate things. But yes you can cast more spells at the same time for one purpose, but if you're a beginner you probably should do one or two things at a time because you need to put your energy into these things, and you need to build up your stamina meaning you need to slowly work towards doing more than one thing at a time. Otherwise, you get tired, and dont use a sufficient amount of energy at a time. Its kind of like trying to jog 10 miles when you have never exercised before.

Brida · Unread post by **Brida** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:40 pm

Okay, I have six different colored glass encased vigil candles that were dressed by LM. To keep my work private, I put them all in the fireplace with petitions underneath each one. I burned white sage in the fireplace to purify the area first. Also, I feel that when the candles burn, it will release the spell energy up through the fireplace and in to the universe. The black one I have that I lit on the full moon, so the that it is buring during the waning moon to remove jinxes, etc. from me, I put on a shelf next to the fireplace. I want the energy to stay in my home, and protect me. As for my colored ones in the fireplace, I am planning on lighting them all at the same time on the new moon, so the moon will be waxing while the vigil is taking place. That is so it will draw these things to me, and not away from me. Is it wrong to burn them side by side like that?

I placed them in this order from left to right:

Pink(friendship), Blue (peace), White (health and beauty), Green (money), Red (love), Pink (love).

Please advise if I should split them apart, or keep them this way before I light them. Is there a particular part of the home that will make it more potent if it is position in that manner?

Thank you all so much!

hugs,
Brida

Unread post by **Tabbylove17** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:18 pm

I've always separated either the times on which I did them (example 1 spell is done at 8PM and the other is at 10PM) or I would use another surface and have multiple alters.

Brida · Unread post by **Brida** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:38 pm

Thank you Tabbylove. I seperated them to different parts of the livingroom. I read that Cat recommended that a money drawing work should not be low on the ground, so I moved it to the highest shelf on the right side of my fireplace. I put the love and friendship candles right underneath it on the second shelf. I put the health/beauty and the peace ones on decor table next to the couch. I left the black jinx removal candle on the highest shelf on the left of the fireplace. Also, I taped the petition papers to the bottom of the candles. Is this okay? I felt it would be hidden better, and when I would do the work again, I could take it off, and tape it to another candle. I will be doing this work for three consecutive new moons.

Thank you all!

hugs,
Brida

suzyparker · Unread post by **suzyparker** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:11 am

Hi, I have a lot of success with LM candles - I've also had success with a fixed mojo bag and a honey jar.. I notice some of the folks on the board say to take time off between work - especially in love work - so you don't make the target nutty or it could backfire on you. My question is if I'm doing long term work (starting a doll baby), how often can I also do a candle (skull or male genital) to work with the doll. Should it be once every couple of weeks - more, less. I admit I do get lazy with my work (so my problem is not "overdoing it"), but I also don't want to get too lazy.

Thanks

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:25 am

I would do the skull candle or penis candle and burn it for a week straight or work with it the whole waxing moon cycle. Then during the waning take that time off, and so on. Or whatever works best for you. You could stick to one day or two days a week. Personally, I do it the first way because during the waning moon I can work on other things.

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:41 pm

Starsinthesky gives good advice on this. You are going to be working the honey jar and mojo bag consistently anyway. I would work the other spells either on a waxing/waning lunar schedule or as needed. Some of these workings are pretty potent and you don't need to do them all the time, you just keep them in reserve so that when you do need them its a new fresh influence in the situation.

good luck,
Bri

suzyparker · Unread post by **suzyparker** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:09 pm

Actually, hadn't thought about that... I figured the mojo and honey jar were shot since I haven't worked them for a while. I was going to do the doll baby instead of those.. but what the heck...

FLIGHTY1 · Unread post by **FLIGHTY1** » Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:06 pm

Hello!!! I would like to now if I could do several spells all different for the same person in one night or nightly

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:38 pm

Can you dance the samba and the waltz in one night? Can you play basketball and football in one night? Can you cook three meals in one night?

Only you can answer that question -- because only you know how intense your drive is, how deep your knowledge is, how long and strong your endurance is, and how great your need is.

Good luck.

csrs2 · Unread post by **csrs2** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:06 pm

How long from one candle spell to next should one wait before lighting another candle being the same or another kind. And which candle spells are good to bring back a long distance stubborn love. And usually how long before you begin to maybe see the effects.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:53 am

There are no set answers to these qquestions. Each case is different. It's like asking "how long should i practice piano before i'll b ready to release my first CD ... it's not a question of numbers, but of your magical gifts, your will power, the state of your lover's mind and heart (the kinds of candle will vary based on if there anoher person interferring, if you two have argued, if there is physical distace, if you have money or parenting issues, etc). I think you may wish to get a reading on the situation, and some personal consultation. If you schedule a half hour reading with a reader who is also a rootworker (not one of these fake psychics all over the internet), you can ask in advance to have ten minutes of reading on the probability of success and the next 20 minutes of personal instructions tailored to your case, with instructions. This is the kind of reading and consultation i am often asked to give and specialize in, and so do others in AIRR. What you want is a combination of a reading and what we call magical coaching. Check out the AIRR site:
http://readrsandrootworkers.com Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers

Good luck

csrs2 · Unread post by **csrs2** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:19 pm

Thank you so much!

sebs · Unread post by **sebs** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:00 am

i am new to this forum but not luckymojo, i have been ordering from the store for years.
i have recently embarked on spell casting to reconcile a relationship. i would say he is an ex but we never really got it together properly because i was still emotionally involved with someone else, having spent a good few months on my own and got some clarity i have realised my feelings for this guy now only he says he still has feelings for me but is scared to give it another go because i hurt him by rejecting him previously. so i have cast a honey jar spell, with our names, hair etc. i have been continuously lighting a red candle on the jar. however, i have since been warned by an experienced practioner that i could self-sabotage my spells by lighting too many candles on this and should limit it to 3x a week? is this the case? i am a proactive person and want to feel i am doing everything i can i reconcile this relationship. could anyone give me any advice on if i am lighting too many candles? should i limit it to 3x a week or everyday until i have my result? also does anyone know of any simple good spells to get someone to contact you? thank you. any advice or guidance is gratefully received.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:24 am

I think you already know this answer....Listen to your intuition it is probably leading you correctly.

sebs · Unread post by **sebs** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:41 am

my intuition tells me to keep working, to light one candle after another until i see some initial results. as i need to feel as if i am doing something. but i am not sure if this is the correct way? can you give me your opinion? should i only work 3x a week or everyday? thanks

Unread post by **cabriellenil** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:14 am

Working nightly on a reconciliation honey jar sounds normal to me - that's what I did in the past and also when a professional worked for me. I'd use pink candles though. There're many 'contact me' type of spells in the forum so try to do a search.

sebs · Unread post by **sebs** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:33 am

ok thanks. i will get some pink candles. thank you

blackforrest · Unread post by **blackforrest** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:50 am

hi, can someone start a thread regarding overloading in spells, and share what might happen in a love or reconciliation spell?

blackforrest · Unread post by **blackforrest** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:57 am

usually when i am too desperate i would do one before i sleep and one when i wake before work. i always wonder if its too much.

sebs · Unread post by **sebs** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:32 am

yeh i do that. coz when i am really stressed out i need to feel like i am doing something towards my goal so i burn candles and focus my energy on my goal. its kind of cathartic. and it helps, so anything that helps cant really be bad. especially if you limit your focus on your goal to the candle burn. then agree with yourself you wont obsess at any other time. i suppose that cant be harmful. can it?

Unread post by **Tabbylove17** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:35 pm

blackforrest,

Do you remember maybe as a kid eating too much sugar and then you got sick? It's the same thing if you do too many spells in one setting instead of the person wanting to reconcile it could possibly do the opposite. I had a friend do too many love spells and the person became obsessive. She wanted him to love her, but she did too many at one time and he loved her, but he got really jealous if I guy would even say, "That's a pretty dress". It got scary.

dream · Unread post by **dream** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:36 am

hi tabbylove, would u be able to find out from ur friend what kind of love spells she did? coz i wana do a love spell on this guy who im really close to & just wana know what exactly worked. thanks.

sangamo1 · Unread post by **sangamo1** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:31 pm

My reconciliation work kicked in a couple days ago. Things are pretty neutral right now, and I have made my peace with this person. The spellwork has done what it was supposed to do. It took numerous candles and several months, but it worked.

However, I learned alot about some things she has done recently, and things she said about me that werent true. I am a bit uncomfortable with the idea of taking things a bit farther knowing what I know now. But I am still happy having one more loose end tied up.

Unread post by **Flamethrower** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:39 am

I'm not sure what stance to take when it comes to overdoing a spell. Is it when the work interferes with your everyday life so that you must be home at a certain time or wake up at an ungodly hour just to light a candle? Or is that considered dedication?

In Magical Power of the Saints: Evocation & Candle Rituals by Reverend Ray T. Malbrough (available on the Lucky Mojo site at http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatbooks.html ), he wrote how candles work along the same principle as water dripping steadily from a faucet - "Constant pressure will knock down the obstacles to your desires, opening the way for your prayer to be answered."

He did note, however, that the fear and lack of patience of not receiving immediate results (which may cause one to keep doing spell after spell) may jinx one's work.

Personally, I've never witnessed any type of magical overload...wish that would happen for my money drawing work!

Unread post by **JayDee** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:52 am

I think the idea is if you run from spell to spell like a fad then you are obsessing with the work and not giving it time to manifest and showing a lack of faith in the work. you can light candles in series one after another ( when it burns out) to keep the work going, but I would not do every and any money spell known to man. You ay be in need of a reading to make sure their is nothing blocking you or preventing money. Or start with cleansing your home, taking a spiritual bath then doing a money drawing work..we also wait 3 days for signs 3 weeks for movement and 3mo for manifestation. In respect to money spells that work I use lodestones and have had great success with those little guys.

MadameKoiteh · Unread post by **MadameKoiteh** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:21 pm

Peace To All,
I just want to share a personal experience of exerting too much magickal force. Once, many years ago, I was so deeply involved in a magickal undertaking that I worked for weeks on end at my goal-- morning, noon, and all night. I fasted, I prayed, I consulted readers, I prepared ritual after ritual, and spent a great deal of time, money, and energy on the matter. Eventually, I got what I wanted, but the spiritual exhaustion that overtook me was tremendous. I couldn't even get on my knees to pray for many, many months. I was weakened by having used so much energy to change the course of fate. later in life, I realized that I should have submitted to the will of the Divine in the first place. What I wanted was not good for me and I ended up throwing it away. My point is, if you have to work until you have no more energy and you can think of nothing else, beware. IMO, most of the best things in life come easily, with just a clear intention and a little consistent effort. Obsession is for the victim, not the master. I hope this is of some help. Many blessings.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:33 pm

Obsession is for the victim, not the master.

Nice!

janeymack · Unread post by **janeymack** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:42 pm

"My point is, if you have to work until you have no more energy and you can think of nothing else, beware. IMO, most of the best things in life come easily, with just a clear intention and a little consistent effort. Obsession is for the victim, not the master."

You know something. I really needed to hear that. I really appreciate your sharing what you did. I found it really quite profound.

lord_of_the_void · Unread post by **lord_of_the_void** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:55 pm

janeymack wrote:"My point is, if you have to work until you have no more energy and you can think of nothing else, beware. IMO, most of the best things in life come easily, with just a clear intention and a little consistent effort. Obsession is for the victim, not the master."

You know something. I really needed to hear that. I really appreciate your sharing what you did. I found it really quite profound.

Agreed! This quote should be framed lol

kmew1315 · Unread post by **kmew1315** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:49 am

I've seen people posting about getting spiritual fatigue when doing too much spellcasting. Since I'm completely new to this any sort of spellcasting could easily wear me out, I suppose.

Since I've started doing some candle work and whatnot, I have gotten more exhausted. But at the same time, I also lead a busy life in the real world. I'm working full-time, going to school full-time (and it's finals time), it's the holidays and I always tend to get tired more in the cold weather in general, and now with the spellcasting, even if it's not spiritually wearing me out, it's still taking a little bit more time out of my day that could be spent sleeping or resting.

The fatigue does feel a bit different, but I don't know if that's just my imagination or not (since to be honest, I wouldn't mind if it was spiritual fatigue, because it would mean I really was expending some spiritual energy and it really has been going someplace). How do I tell the difference between spiritual fatigue and just plain fatigue?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:01 am

Well in your case it might be both. Personally, I get spiritually fatigued because I do not even want to think about lighting a candle, its almost like I get sick of the craft that I love so much. But I can tell when I spiritually fatigued because I can't concentrate, or I find myself falling asleep literally during spellcasting. I mean you live a busy life just like I do...I go to school also for my master's and just had to turn in a 30 page report. I really had to have some time management skills for the work. But I make the time to do spell work because I have at least ONE day out of the week where I do not do new spellwork if spell work at all. Sometimes I even have to take a break from the internet, this forum, and other spiritual websites because I can just get drained from helping others as much as I do. Its is okay to take a break. I mean if its something on going then it will be done, but I take time out to rest up and what not. In addition, I never do spellwork tired, or when i am sick. Its just I am not at my best. So really both kinds of fatigue are kind of interconnected. One can make you tired and so can the other.

This is why I recommend not throwing spell after spell because you are just operating at half capacity. In addition, do not do so many spell where your room looks like a fireplace. If you're a newbie, I would recommend working on one thing at a time, and definitely not more than 2. Its just you would be dividing your energy amongst TOO much. That kind of activity can make you get fatigued alone. MORE IS NOT MORE when it comes to hoodoo. You could light 50 candles in one night...and still the universe may so NO to your request. So sometimes doing one thing at a time...at your ultimate best, and with your full concentration (of course scratch the overthinking

) then you will have more favorable results.

So If you find your yourself getting tired, then you might have to do your spell work over 3 days rather than 7 days. Will that effect the effectiveness of your spell....depends. I mean if you are doing a 7 day spell and you are literally exhausted all 7 days or half of the time of those 7 days then it might be better to cut to the minimum of 7 days. And then repeat the spell another week after that on the same day for another following three days.

But most spiritual exhaustion not only comes from our lifestyle, but from those over zealous and obsessed spellcasters that think if they do work for a month or more straight then they are bound to see results. I disagree with that because you are not letting it take its course...and allowing yourself to refuel up your energy. And that will only lead to frustration and yes...overthinking. Its just important to take a break.

I know what you are thinking "but Stars what if something happens or I start to lose ground on my target...or the situation gets worse while Im taking my break?" Well my answer to that is...is your work currently working? If the answer is no, then regardless if you take a break or not...its not going to effect anything. Sometimes things cant get worse than they already are. And sometimes we need to take a break just to relax and enjoy life. If you find yourself not wanting to do anything but spellwork then you really really need to take a step back. Or at least do some spellwork for yourself. Anywhoo hope that all made sense.

kmew1315 · Unread post by **kmew1315** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:08 am

It made sense. What makes me wonder though is that I'm really not doing a lot. As of now, it's just a honey jar (even though I am burning it every day and putting a lot of prayer into it). I guess I'll find out soon. My Christmas shopping is done, my classes are ALMOST over, so all I'll have is work and spellcasting. School doesn't start again for another month or so, so if I'm still exhausted, I'll know what it is.

And regarding your other question, between my honey jar and the root work I'm having done by someone, it's way too soon to tell if anything's working, so I can't give an answer to that.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:04 am

Well the questions were directed only towards you...but sort of rhetorical questions for you or other people here to ponder if they are ever feeling the same way. Sounds like you are just exhausted by other things...and I would recommend just taking a day or two to rest up, and not do any spell work. Then get back to it in a few days.

Also, you need to regularly cleanse yourself, and your space. Sometimes that plays a role as well. In addition, make sure you are protecting yourself. I would say those are the most important things to do.

kmew1315 · Unread post by **kmew1315** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:08 am

Thank you. I think what I was trying to get at in the original post would be this - does it feel different? For example, if I go to the gym and lift a lot of weights, I feel fatigued, but it's a very different kind of fatigued than if I only get 4 hours of sleep.

Seren · Unread post by **Seren** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:28 am

The way I see it, energy is energy and can be either lost or gained through physical, mental, emotional or spiritual activities. What you use, in whatever way must be restocked. If you walk into a room after an argument has occurred you can probably feel the tension/energy as it has been expelled by the individuals who were at conflict. Same as after exercising or spellwork, energy has been zapped. This needs to be refueled by good rest/sleep, nutritious food, plenty of water, things that feed our soul potentially entertainment, spending time in company of people we care for/trust and feel this reciprocated, spending time with nature, stretching ones mind, spiritual beliefs. Modern life can often provide stress and I find this has in the past, when feeling overwhelmed and not wholly in control at all, completely stolen my energy, motivation/ability to perform work. I am learning about the LM products and agree with starsinthesky7 that cleansing of oneself and environment are important.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:06 am

I agree cleansing first followed by protection. I can certainly understand spiritual fatigue. I find cleansing work more affective and less draining during the waning moon cycle and protection, success and love work more affective and less draining during the waxing moon...now understand this is just my personal findings. It may vary to the individual.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:49 pm

The drain of spellcasting manifests itself differently for different people. Some people feel drained mentally and emotionally, to the point where they can't pick up a spell book or light a candle. They simply are sick of their art because they've thrown their all into spellcasting and now need to rest. Other's feel it as a sort of physical exhaustion. This manifests itself in the need to sleep more, take naps, nutrition etc. If you start manifesting such signs then its time for a break.

You can regain your energy by doing simple things like lessening the amount of time spent on spellcasting, or sleeping until you wake up naturally. You may also take more involved measures like taking soothing baths, going for a quiet walk where you meditate on your surrounding, drinking in the serenity. The idea is that you need to refresh yourself physically, emotionally, and spiritually since all these vibrations are being depleted from your spellwork. Furthermore, regular life further drains people when they do magick, simply because as you go about your day you are using energy physically, emotionally to do your daily tasks.

Now, I find that augumenting your spellwork with things like daily meditation, mental exercises, along with certain strict lifestyles ensures that you constantly have energy and actually act like a conduit for the power rather then simply a powerhouse. Either way, take the time to relax, rest, and let yourself be restored. You've just ran a mile, take a breather.

kmew1315 · Unread post by **kmew1315** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:45 am

OK, I have a semi-related question. I see people saying that it's often best to just "set it and forget it" (for lack of a better phrase). I know some people probably won't like that phrasing, but you know what I mean. When you obsess over a spell, you hurt it's effectiveness. That's really I think my biggest problem. The more time I spend here, the more faith I have in my work, but the "when" of everything causes me to get obsessive over everything. But at the same time, I don't want to completely distance myself because when I'm actually doing the spell work, I want to put everything I have into it. That's really my biggest problem, because I'm not really doing that much (at least I don't think I am), but in my mind, I'm doing way more than I need to on an almost 24/7 basis. So I guess I'm looking for some sort of practical suggestions for what I can do to help take my mind off of my work when I'm not working on it, but still keep it near and dear to me for when I am. I know the best suggestion is usually to find something else to do to occupy your mind, but oftentimes, even when I'm doing that, it's still in the back of my mind somewhere. If I could put everything I have into it when the candle's actually burning and then completely forget about it the rest of the day, I'd be in perfect shape, but that's easier said than done.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:55 am

Well there is no one way on how to set it and forget it. It takes time and practice,and eventually you will just get tired of wasting your time and money. But what I do is just get it off my mind by writing it down and burning the paper, or writing all my worries on a black candle and then dressing it with banishing oil or asafoetida or black peper.

You just need to learn what works for you, and actually try, and train yourself how to do this.

kmew1315 · Unread post by **kmew1315** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:24 pm

I hope I'm not reading too much into things, but I had a good sign today. Yesterday, when I was burning a candle on my honey jar, I spoke to the candle as if it was my target and told her that I'm no longer the one obsessing, she is. I'm not doing the pursuing anymore, she is. And then today... I don't want to say too much, but she did something that was really backwards from the way it usually happens. It's not really something I would consider a movement or an answer to the prayer (especially since it was still on my mind today although maybe not quite as much) since it was minor, but I'm thinking it could be a sign. I'm HOPING it's a sign, at least.

hello · Unread post by **hello** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:49 pm

So my friend wanted to make her boyfriend think of her nonstop and love her, so she would light a vigil candle dressed with the appropriate oils and she put both her picture and his picture together tied underneath to signify him being binded to her, and she light candles NONSTOP for about 3 months...

finally, for some reason, she felt that she needed to see his picture and when she took the vigil candle off both of their pictures, she looked as his picture and his eyes were WHITENED OUT...the photo didn't look scratched out, they look just with two big white spots where his eyes were supposed to be and she and I freaked out!....

he became so obssessed over her (obsessive, NOT loving) that he begin hitting her and being overly jealous whenever she talked to anyone else but him...

I don't know if this is the right section to post this at but maybe it's just a warning to people that are constantly doing many many spells on one single person (especially love spells on a guy) getting a reading beforehand really IS the way to go (especially if you have to do many spells and still things aren't working)....

eventually my friend stopped doing all those love spells and that's when her bf found out he had another kid in another state and he left her without even saying goodbye...

he never really loved her or cared about her...