Astrology: Character Analysis and Spell Timing: Horoscopes, Sun, Moon, Planets, Eclipses, Retrogrades

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:44 pm

Conjure usually does not religiously follow astrological symbolism. Most conjurers may work with the phases of the moon and the days of the week, but they don't get involved as deeply with astrology. That is not to say that it doesn't happen, I use it in my own work and I know others who do so as well. Its really a matter of personal choice. If you have some skill in astrology and accept its influence on your spellwork then use it, but if you don't then don't worry about things like what's in retrograde.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:50 am

Planets are always in retrograde, and its not just Mercury. I would say continue to go along with what you are doing. However, Mercury Retrograde is a great time for break up work because MR is about people getting in arguments, and things of that nature. Communication such as computer, printers, and so on may go array. BUT that does not mean your magic is going to suddenly stop working or go backwards or whatever. It just means that you need to be more mindful of how you are around people,and just PREPARE for mishaps to happen. But crap happens all the time...so thats just life. I agree with conjureman in not worrying about it unless you use the influences in your work.

path2success · Unread post by **path2success** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:51 pm

Thank you everyone for your views!!!

freegirl · Unread post by **freegirl** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:59 am

Is there a candle to burn for Mercury Retrograde protection?? I'm very susceptible to this, the last one I had a fight with my love, I work as a writer and already have issues with attachments being stripped etc. Just learned that mercury goes in retrograde today until Jan. 15 and then there are effects until Feb. 4.

Now, as I'm working a separation, I hope that will work in my favor for that, but want to protect myself from ill effects. any suggestions?

THANKS!

i'm working with an AIRR rootsworker who oks petition candles, so just looking at petition candles and not other spellwork.

freegirl · Unread post by **freegirl** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:58 pm

Hi there, posted this under candles as well, thought I'd reach out to a more general population-- what do you do to protect yourself during Mercury Retrograde? do you have ideas to turn it to your favor? I'm a Virgo and a writer and sensitive to it, historically, though I'm hoping it will work in my favor for a separation.

Is there a petition candle particularly appropriate?

Unread post by **Literarylioness** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:35 pm

freegirl

I would just do general protection. Be aware of the retrograde, but don't live by it. If you can stay away from certain communications, then stay away from them. If you need to write, then write.

Mary

freegirl · Unread post by **freegirl** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:28 pm

Thanks, Mary. What kind of candle would you suggest-- a white one, a blue one? any particular petition at LM? (I am planning to do a St. Francis for my kitty and some separation work already...)

I am a writer so I have to write...but will try to avoid quarrels, misunderstandings and so on.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:19 pm

You can light a Blessing candle or Peaceful Home, and Road Opener which will counter the effects of broken and messed up communication.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:10 pm

Umm...how are you going to protect yourself from a planet and its influences? I mean i understand easing the influences, but it seems like it would be rather difficult to protect yourself from a planet we cannot control. Seems rather odd to me. The best way to make it through MR is to plan ahead. Do not wait until the last minute to print out a paper as your printer may fail. But we have talked about MR already,and I do not want to cause havoc on this forum.

But it just seems rather odd that we can control a planet that is apart of our universe. I mean sometimes the universe says no to certain situations. If we could influence or deflect the planetary influences then more people Im sure would do work towards controlling things from the planets.

My advice to you is...plan ahead and perhaps visit some old writing projects you have abandoned, or ideas you have abandoned. Although you maybe sensitive to MR, that does not mean your creative process comes to a halt. I would try revisiting some places in the past that have inspired you, and continue to cleanse yourself. In the future, if you can help it you need to prepare for mercury retrograde rather than waiting during MR to do tasks.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:20 pm

You asked this question already in another section. It is not necessary to post it in another. In addition, you should ask the AIRR how to help you with this. In addition, MR is about being PREPARED. YOU know its coming 3 times a year so obviously you need to prepare for it. But really stop freaking out (please do not take offense to my use of freaking out) so much about, the more you freak out the more you get rewarded with more crap to freak out about.

In addition, to your attachments being stripped...now you know you need to save things in multiple ways. Have many different avenues to send things. If you need to send it through mail or fax then do so. If you need to send mulitiple copies, then do so. Do not wait until the last minute either. In addition, you need to be aware that crap happens 24/7 so it might just be your computer.

To everyone else....please do not freak out about MR. Its all about revisiting and revising. In addition, its about being more prepared so just do that and you will be fine. Embrace MR if you do that...it will not be as bad as people make it out to be.

Also, retrogrades are happening ALL the time. Some people just make MR more of a huge deal than they should. Work through this time, prepare as you always should be.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:07 pm

Its not about controlling the planet, but rather the subtle influences that are represented in the celestial in the form of a planet. While we talk about Mercury, we are discussing the subtle influences that begin in the divine, take form in the fixed stars, then take shape in the traditional "planets." Its not the planets, but rather their movements that represent a hidden, subtle influence that is occuring on planes beyond normal sight. Such is the basis of hermetic thought and astrological magick.

Nevertheless, You are most correct. Retrogrades are occuring all the time, we need not panic about them. This fear of MR has resulted from incomplete misinformation that results from shody research done by new age "modern" astrologers. If you feel good about putting up a few more protections to ease the influences, then do so. Otherwise be aware of the forces at work and relax and ride the "waves"

.

freegirl · Unread post by **freegirl** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:01 pm

Well, yes, it's about protecting myself from influences that might harm me, not about stopping the retrograde itself, of course. I am sensitive to barometric shifts, and often get migraines when they occur. Many other people are not, and would not need any healing (whether in the form of a candle or migraine medicine). I often can't sleep during a full moon, that's a planetary influence too, but I can mitigate that through magical or non-magical way. I do try to plan ahead, but the trouble with MR is that i's don't get dotted, t's don't get crossed; it's like trying to proofread oneself (bad idea). As a Virgo (ruled by Mercury) and a writer (ditto) I have noticed MR's effects on my life, and came here for assistance. Now that I've explained, I hope it no longer "seems odd" to you. As a professional writer, I can't do all my "tasks" in advance of MR.

I I'm a journalist with deadlines and many editors to work with and not enough hours in the day. There are interviews to happen, subjects to contact, facts to check, contracts to sign. I have noticed that during mercury retrograde messages get mislaid or misunderstood, quarrels get started, misunderstandings happen. I don't understand why we think we can protect ourselves from some forces and not from others.

So again, if anyone has a suggestion for an appropriate candle, I'd love to hear it. I"m leaning towards a simple protection or maybe even a mercury candle.

freegirl · Unread post by **freegirl** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:11 pm

Hmm, maybe being attacked in two places is also Mercury retrograde in action. I'm pretty new to the boards, and posted here first, then realized the other forum gets a lot more attention. I thought I had mentioned that there, but if I forgot to, I apologize. I'm not sure why you would say I'm "freaking out" just because I asked for help and suggestions. I came here for help with the right candle and guidance on magical protection, not advice about how to email my editors or about my computer. Maybe this is a sore point for you, given the vehemence and tone of your posts.

As far as asking my AIRR rootsworker, she's working on a particular project for me; she's not on retainer for my every concern. I really didn't think asking for a suggestion of which candle might help was out of line, even if my concerns don't seem that important to you, they are to me.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:58 pm

A Mercury candle is a good idea. You can create a small triangle of vigil candles that you use to surround a picture of yourself. I'd use a Protection Candle, Mercury, and Blessing candle to help mitigate the effects you normally feel, while keeping the lines of communication open, and keeping you open and receptive to the positive side of Mercury. The blessing will also help ensure your projects get through on time. Good luck.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:15 am

freegirl

This happens to everyone during mercury retrograde. That's why Mercury retrograde is all about knowing that this is going to happen. Fights and quarrels are expected so if you plan ahead for them such as being very clear when talking with someone...not cracking jokes or what not because people can be more sensitive at this time. I mean things have to go on during MR like Mary said above, and like Conjure man said you have to ride the waves. And with this being MR it seems that I must clarify myself. The way I interpreted this question is that you are basically trying to protect yourself from things from happening. A planet to me is a huge force, and little ol me is not going to be able to completely control a planet, which is how I see you saying this question. If that is not what you are saying, then that is fine. But lighting a candle dedicated to Mercury will help the influences and help ease it however, its not going to completely stop these things from happening.

Really its just better to know how to "ride the waves" as Conjure man said. As for the "odd" comment, that was not directed towards you personally, it was odd to me that someone could control a planet's influence. MR is all about double checking your "i's and t's" more than you normally would.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:35 am

Both of my posts were not anywhere near the point of attacking you (its not that serious for me to attack anyone on here) You are misinterpreting and adding tone to posts that are not even there. My choice of words were not correct for this situation I need to change my language I guess, and to remember that like you said are more susceptible to Mercury retrograde. I will keep that in mind. In addition, if I did not see this as important I would not have commented. I just know some people are going to have major concern, and feel like they're work may fail or what not due to Mercury retrograde. Im not saying don't talk about it, however, things need to be clarified on the pros and cons of Mercury retrograde as well.

I apologize to say you are freaking out. Some people tend to post in more than one section when they are in a panic. In addition, the comment about the attachment strip was not a hit towards you about how to email. It was about how to use some non-magical means to prepare for MR. Sometimes use of non-magical means is just as good as lighting a candle.

The comment about working with your AIRR rootworker was said because she could probably give you some great ideas and address your concerns with Mercury retrograde. I just thought that could provide some additional help since you are already getting help from them.

Guess this is a classic case of Mercury retrograde effects, and now I know I must be more careful in how I explain things.

freegirl · Unread post by **freegirl** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:02 am

Hi Starsinthesky, yep, that's classic for me, and thank you. I am overreacting sensitiviely too, and I've noticed that kind of thing (for ME) during MR. You are right of course that I should be vigilant about the material world too. And one thing I can do, knowing that I'm prone to this during MR, is to try to slow down my responses and posts in general. Pax.

freegirl · Unread post by **freegirl** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:04 am

Thanks, I understand better now. I will try to light a candle to help ease the influences on me, knowing that it's going to be a bit like that anyway, something that will maybe help me be calm, tolerant, an extra dose of largeness of spirit and relaxation. For example, I just got an edit back this morning, and it's fine, but knowing we're in MR I'm going to triple-check every fact I wrote, making no assumptions!

candis · Unread post by **candis** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:43 am

I'll give a summary of my background. First, I came from a very negative family...My mom was never married, she wanted so much to be married (I think that's all she lived for), every man that came around did not stay for long. Me now, seem to have the same problem. My mom was very jealous of me and she was very mean to me. She wanted nothing good to happen to me. I was able to leave her and that environment, got my education and was able to get good paying jobs etc. and take care of myself. Now, with relationships, I see myself repeating the same patterns as my mom. I attract negative men who just wanted to use me. I stop that cycle by working on me (loving me). Now I see that the quality of men I meet are better. However, they have emotional problems and they still don't want to stay.

I don't know what else to do. I've been cleansing for several years. Burning candles, etc. But not able to bring a positive relationship into my life. I JUST WANT A GOOD LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP. Please advise.

Thank you.

Candis

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:03 am

I would get a reading with a good worker to see what's going on with your situation. Could be some kind of generational curse - or it could be bad learned behaviors that are negatively effecting you. A reading will help see what's going on, and a worker may need to work on your behalf to get things moving as your own actions don't seem to be having much effect.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:25 pm

I'm not a particular adherent of the concept of generational curses, so I won't comment on that..though I know and respect several people who swear by their existence..

Juju is right that a reading is order to discover the cause of the issues. It could be something as mundane as your outlook, or could be something like crossed conditions/jinx. The reading will help determine this.

Take a cleansing bath, and try working an Attraction/ Come to Me conjure aimed specifically at the qualities you seek in an individual. Write all the qualities you want, be very specific. Include emotional stability and desire for committment/marriage in such a list. Work the conjures not on a specific individual, but rather aimed at bringing a person with those qualities to you in your life. Also create a honey jar aimed at those specific qualities while burning white and pink candles anointed with Attraction, Come to Me, and Love Me oils. You might consider using white and pink bride and groom figurine candles as well in your honey jar working.

The honey jar will be for the long run and will help plant the seeds of your desire, while working it in combination with the Come to Me conjures will help give your work the boost and speed to bring about the results you seek. Good luck.

P.S. also work some healing conjure on yourself to help overcome any latent wounds from past hurts. It will help ensure that you are prepared for a long term relationship.

candis · Unread post by **candis** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:05 pm

ConjureMan wrote:I'm not a particular adherent of the concept of generational curses, so I won't comment on that..though I know and respect several people who swear by their existence..

Juju is right that a reading is order to discover the cause of the issues. It could be something as mundane as your outlook, or could be something like crossed conditions/jinx. The reading will help determine this.

Take a cleansing bath, and try working an Attraction/ Come to Me conjure aimed specifically at the qualities you seek in an individual. Write all the qualities you want, be very specific. Include emotional stability and desire for committment/marriage in such a list. Work the conjures not on a specific individual, but rather aimed at bringing a person with those qualities to you in your life. Also create a honey jar aimed at those specific qualities while burning white and pink candles anointed with Attraction, Come to Me, and Love Me oils. You might consider using white and pink bride and groom figurine candles as well in your honey jar working.

The honey jar will be for the long run and will help plant the seeds of your desire, while working it in combination with the Come to Me conjures will help give your work the boost and speed to bring about the results you seek. Good luck.

P.S. also work some healing conjure on yourself to help overcome any latent wounds from past hurts. It will help ensure that you are prepared for a long term relationship.

Thank you ConjureMan, I will take your advice on the healing elements. Your entire post is very encouraging and gives me hope.

Thanks, again.

candis

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:09 pm

To add my two cents...I see that you have been cleansing but its more than that...I would think, drawing in good luck in terms of love and financial blessings...and protecting yourself also...Devi suggestion will do you well so you will know what action to take...Look at LMs list of reputable readers: http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/in ... ootworkers

...start with the healing work is excellent... sometimes we carry so much dead weight from the past and dont realize we need to heal from past hurts... Blessings.

Unread post by **Literarylioness** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:24 pm

candis,

I would work on good cleansing and put off the idea of long term relationship for the moment. I hope you have thought about some counseling too. The longest and greatest relationship you are going to have is with yourself. Your mother may never have learned that lesson, but you have the chance to. No man can give you what you can give yourself.

Desperation (your cap locks express this) is a big deterrent in attracting anything. It is a repellent. Think of it this way, say you have a very persistent friend who continuously calls you and leaves messages about how you must get back to him or her. Do you want to really answer those calls? Probably not, because you feel like you are going to be drained. This is the message you are sending out to these men. Subconsciously you know this about yourself and that is why you keep getting noncommittal men.

So from a Hoodoo perspective, do the 13 herb bath and a lot of cleansing. Follow that up with some work with St. Dephina. She is great for healing emotional and psychological trauma. When you STOP thinking that all you need is a LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP, that is when you start working on attraction work. When you have a full life WITHOUT a man, is when you are ready to get one. If you do attraction work in your present mind set, you will keep attracting what you don't want. End the cycle for yourself.

Good luck!

Mary

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:50 am

Do a 13-herb bath and/or Cut and Clear to free you from the negativity of the past. Then burn a Chuparossa vigil candle or a pink candle dressed with Chuparossa oil for luck in finding a lasting love.

New Year's Eve would be a great time to start fresh. New year, new decade, and a blue moon. Good luck!

IBMagnet · Unread post by **IBMagnet** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:14 am

Dear candis, your entry letter speaks straight to my heart. You have voiced something I have struggled with my whole life. It brings back tears for, like you, I have come so far. my sister and I were abandoned at the age of 6 & 7 by our mother. We were lucky to have had a strong father who chose to give us all the love and nurturing that we so desperately needed. As naive children, you grow into hurt adults who feel the impact and the loss deeper.

We were blessed with our father's love but all his love couldn't fill the void of a missing mother. We are both college educated, my sister and I. I have taken steps to fill my life with great female friends who filled the void that my mother left. They love me fiercely and they are patient with me. They give me the wisdom of life that only a woman can give to another woman.

Like you, I struggle in every relationship but , with the help of my female friends, I am getting better at loving and pacing myself. The hardest lesson I had to learn is that prince charming will not come and sweep you off your feet, baggages and emotional insecurities and all. That is a fairy tale. Truth is that men are fragile. They need more reassurance than women. They will run at the slightest sign of desperation and insecurity. YOU MUST FIX YOURSELF then look for a man to complement the rest.

My advice to you, candis, is to surround yourself with good female friends. You have much to learn and they have much to give. Don't drop your female friends for any men, for men will come and go. Make time for love. Make equal time for friendship. Take breaks from men and go off on a self-enriching trips alone or with friends.

My second advice to you, candis, is to face yourself in the mirror and find the beauty within. LOVE YOURSELF. YOU DON'T HAVE A COURSE ON YOU! YOUR MOTHER AND MINE JUST MADE POOR CHOICES and what they had to give to us as children, they couldn't find it to give to themselves. We are hurt but the hurt should not be what drives us. You should choose the beauty and strength within.

You can choose to seek professional treatment or you can do like me.: have trusting female friends to talk to. I am waiting for my tripple strength attraction and success mojos for help on the spiritual aspect. The work must start from within. You are what you are and no magic can change that.

IBMagnet · Unread post by **IBMagnet** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:39 am

Literarylioness, you are always so wise. I am touched by your words. And really, when you come from a place of hurt, you have a burden to consistently work on breaking negative, self-sabotaging patterns.

I have to admit I have the things in life which I need. My life is good. I am attractive too and men come to me because they all say that my apparent self-confidence is what they find most attractive. They love my poise and the way I talk and walk....When they come too close, though, I panic, like I am not deserving of their admiration and attention. My insecurities come out and slowly they lose patience and walk away.

I go to meditation classes and am working at mending the cracks in my heart. I feel much better in my skin now. I enjoy my company and am working to draw the man I love in my life. I did different readings and even with Cat, that reveal that he does have love attraction to me.
The readings revealed that he has a lot going on in his life which may prevent us to click. He holds secrets and has healing to do.

In the name of love, though I should probably not hae to try so hard, I want to see what could be should he could get past himself. I am also doing love attraction in general to find me a soulmate. I want to be married in the next year or so.

Unread post by **Literarylioness** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:58 pm

IBMagnet wrote:Literarylioness, you are always so wise. I am touched by your words. And really, when you come from a place of hurt, you have a burden to consistently work on breaking negative, self-sabotaging patterns.

Thank you for the compliment. My story is the opposite, my father abandoned me. I felt I did not belong on this planet and I was the cause of all my parents' misery. My father cheated on his wife(not my mother) and my mother was not able to have the man of her dreams (not my father), who to this day she still mourns. I felt it was all my fault. My very existence hurt everyone I loved. I spent a good half of my life trying to heal from that. It created this little spot on me. I call it the freckle of my soul. Like the sun causes freckles on the skin, certain circumstances create spots on the soul and everyone has at least one.

The Freudians loved me, because I was the Electra complex personified. The Jungians loved me, because I understood my mythos. I did vision quests with Native American tribes, Reiki, yoga, and pretty much everything you can name. My freckle never disappeared though. I did learn a lot in the process. I do not know when it happened, but one day I woke-up and I realized my little spot gave me all the qualities I truly love about myself, my sensitivity, my compassion, my empathy, and my ability to love. I still feel my little spot, but I don't try to crush it anymore; now I embrace it.

The true alchemy of life is not turning lead into gold, but tragedy into triumph. EVERY single person has the ability to do this. The only thing that limits us are the limits we put on ourselves. We are our own worst enemies.

So do not say you have "self-sabotaging behaviors," say you are aware of your sensitivity. Change the dialogue in your head, because I can guarantee you that EVERY person who breaths has some spot he or she is trying to heal. That IS the human experience.

Do not dwell on what you DID not get from WHOEVER was suppose to love you, but rejoice in how much you can love and MOVE ON.

Mary

IBMagnet · Unread post by **IBMagnet** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:28 pm

Literary Lioness,

Thank you for that. It is getting exhausting to think of all i have to do to get a try. I have decided to complete my current work with st martha and the honey. Afterwards, that will be it. I'll test my skills with someone else.

Today, LM came through for me in a big way. I received my mojos and bath crystals. I couldn't resist the smells of the oils. Positively uplifting when I put them on! Today, thinking about facing New Year without a date, I sank to a low bottom. I am riding high right now. Going into the bath now. Tomorrow, will be a new beginning.

I can start the New year with a little bit of hope now.

freegirl · Unread post by **freegirl** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:05 pm

Does the blue moon have an effect on spells? Is there a good spell or candle to light during tonight's blue moon?

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:39 pm

A Blue Moon is one of two Full Moons within the 31 days of December. I have read to burn a candle to influence, control and/or compel others to do as they promised or as you wish. Also it is a time to banish bad influences in terms of money, love, career and/or education.

zee_2 · Unread post by **zee_2** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:54 am

I wanted to start making the TS LM mojo for fast luck, steady work and crown of success...One is for me and the other 2 for my daughter..can i make hers for her? The packet does not specify any particular day, but i was wondering that if time was not an issue when is it a good time to do it on
Also I wanted to know if there are any 'ideal days' to do this work on?...also is it a good idea to do spell work on your birthday? i rem reading somewhere that our birthday is a powerful day for us if used with intent?
Zee

thelightfantastic · Unread post by **thelightfantastic** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:39 am

I think it's acceptable for you to make a mojo bag for your daughter. Many rootworkers sell mojo bags already made so I don't think it's a problem. In hoodoo, there's never really a particular day that you "have" to do work - you do the work when you need to. If you're interested in working with the days of the week, Sunday is probably the best day to start work as it's associated with achievement, success and goals. You could also do the work on Thursday as that's the day related to money matters.

As for the birthday spells...I've never really heard about birthdays being a powerful day. I actually think any day of the week can be a powerful day it the right person has the correct intent.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:25 am

Some workers consider the days of the week, the time of day, lunar, astrological timing, etc and the list goes on. If you search the forum timing for spellwork has been discussed on many occasions.

skyme714 · Unread post by **skyme714** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:20 pm

starsinthesky7 wrote:Tuesday is NEVER a good day to do any kind of Love work (trust me its not nice love). If you do you will find yourself in a physically VIOLENT relationship. It is really NOT the best day.

If Im asking St. Anthony for help to return my lover, and Tuesday is his day - what should I do? Start on his day (Tue) or another day?
Thanks.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:15 pm

Start on his day. The astrological associations with the days of the week are from a separate paradigm from the Catholic Saints days so simply keep them separate in your mind.

Further, you can use any day to work on love, splitting them up according to the days is simply a way of keeping your intent clear and also managing your spellwork.

While Tuesday is associated with war and fights, it gets this association from its connection from astrological connections with Mars while deriving its name from the Norse god of war and justice, Tyr (Tyrs-day). While generally Friday and Venus are used to bring about love and relationships, Tuesday isn't always a bad day to start love spells. Mars and Tuesday both carry the connotation of Masculine love, so if you are looking for physical, sexual love that is passionate you can definately use that connection to work on a Tuesday. Friday will still give you sex and passion, but it also carries the connotation of relationships.

skyme714 · Unread post by **skyme714** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:52 pm

Thank you, ConjureMan! Your input as always helpful!

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:54 am

Always go with Saints' days of worship, however, you can start on Sunday as well, as that is the day of saints too. And if the need is extremely urgent you can start the candle on whatever day you need.

Also, I found this about St. Anthony from Mary. She stated St. Anthony will only bring the person back if he is right for you. So just keep that in mind.

Literarylioness wrote: If the ex was a good guy, St. Anthony might send him back to you. If the guy was a jerk, then it is not of St. Anthony's doing. If the ex you requested is NOT good for you, your request to St. Anthony will not be granted.

Mary

skyme714 · Unread post by **skyme714** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:13 am

Thank you, Star! Im also planning to back it up with other spells as well.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:35 pm

While some workers use the moon phases and to enhance their work, some workers do not. Personally, I find the waning and waxing moon phases enhance spell work according to the type of work e.g., waning moon for removing/banishing and waxing moon for drawing spell work.

As for specific work during the solar eclipse… I am not familiar…

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:05 pm

Hoodoo symbolism is pretty subjective and it doesn't have set dogma about it. This is especially applied to timing. Each conjurer will work things a little differently. If you want to perform something during a solar eclipse consider break up work, banishing, creating ill-health, crossing, and binding/blinding work.

I know that in other systems solar eclipses and similar astronomical phenomenon are used for rather potent work.

nknk2 · Unread post by **nknk2** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:59 pm

CM, you are right. I searched sights on Solar Eclipse and it seems people consider it quite potent time. Some say you can crunch your manifestation process by doing spells during Solar Eclipse.

That made me curious.

thanks for your suggestion.

jewel · Unread post by **jewel** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:40 am

I have a question Does moon cycle, time of day, day of the week all matter in spellwork?

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:22 am

Do a forum search, this has been discussed many times. Short answer is sometimes, it depends on the worker.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:25 am

Yes the time of day etc etc is a personal intention. Many times work is done because it needs to be done. There are occasions where some workers employ drawing spells (love, money, success) during the waxing moon cycles or during an appropriate planetary hour or during a time of the day. As HailDiscordia mentioned this has been discussed at length in the forum...

Unread post by **CopperFox** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:29 pm

If you have the luxury of planning out your spellwork in advance, you can take advantage of moon phase, planetary hours, day of week and so on; however, in hoodoo work is often done as needed. So if you have something that needs attention now, don't put it off waiting for just the right time. I have seen people in systems such as Wicca put off spellwork for weeks and months on end because they kept missing the "most auspicious time." You can fall into the trap of almost paralyzing your spellwork if you decide to get too nitpicky about the "when." If you do want to use the moon phase -- waxing for drawing, increase, etc; waning for banishment, decrease,etc. Otherwise, do your work when you need to and have faith in the power of your conjure.

Remember the best time is when you can put your full concentration, energy and heart into the job at hand. If you wait until the "perfect" time to begin and then find you and your house are unclean, you're tired and distracted, the altar is cluttered...well, there's simply no point in working conjure in that state. On the other hand, if you wake up Tuesday morning and are just crackling with energy, rarin' to go -- GO! Eventually you'll find the cycle and rhythm that works for you; until then, try not to become over concerned with impractical "rules" that don't really apply well to imminently practical hoodoo techniques.

Good luck with your work, whenever you do it!

Michelle

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:33 am

It matters to a certain degree. If you have the advantage of being able to wait and hold off on a situation that is not dire, then I would recommend using some kind of timing such as the days of the week, moon cycle, and even the hours. Personally, I do not use the hours as that is impossible for me to do most of the time since Im a pretty busy woman. However, if I or a client can hold off til doing it on a specific day of the week or moon cycle phase, then I will do that. Working with a form of timing does add to your work. I know some people that work with the sun or the hands on the clock for their work. When I first started out, I worked with the days of the week and it helped my work a lot.

BUT I can tell you when you have to do work...then by any means do not wait. I have done all kinds of work during all points of the moon cycle or whatever when I feel like the situation is an emergency.

I saw experiment, and see what works for you. Some people swear by it, but honestly crap happens all the time, and you have to learn how to be flexible.

Guided09 · Unread post by **Guided09** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:48 pm

Hi everyone, I've done a search on love and reversal, but still will like your advice on something. I'm dealing with a problem right now, that involves a love spell that was cast on me. I broke off a relationship with a man a couple of months ago because for a while he acted like he didnt know what he wanted that he really wanted me. I got tired of the back and forth and tired of the torment. The last time that I saw him he finally revealed to me that he loved me, but by that time (for me it was too late, and honestly afraid due to the way he had treated me before, I didn't believe him) I felt like I should just let everything go, so I did. He was stunned by decision (it's like he was paralyzed), he's very private and reticent and doesnt express himself as easily as I do, but I still expected him to at least fight for me at that moment, he didnt. So, again tired, I walked away. I wanted to start anew, to move pass the feelings I had for him that dibilatated me, and move on with a man who would not have put me through what he had. Don't get me wrong, this man is a good guy, had been in bad relationships that had in some way altered his view on love and relationships. However, I too had been through alot, but never allowed those relationships to affect the way that I treated him, and thus it was unfair of him to have handled our relationship in the way that he did, so I told him that I was tired of fighting for him and I deserved more.

Guys, I felt great afterward, I missed him like crazy and still loved him, but I felt unemcumbered. I thought about him still, but was able to shutdown and continue forward. About three months after I broke off our relationship. I started thinking of him again, yearning for him, regretting my decision, my heart felt like it was over flowing with love for this man, and I couldnt stop the deluge of emotion and longing for him. I started moving forward with a man who had always shown me genuine love, but I couldnt and can't completely love him because of my longing for my ex. Troubled by this, I got a reading done, and was told that my ex had visited a root worker and a love spell was cast on me. I had cut all communication with him, removed him from my contacts in emails, on social networking sites, on messengers etc, so he knew I meant business. I was told that the spell was done for my return to him. I was told that he truly does love me, he misses me, and everyone there after, he compares them to me.
I dont know how to view what he's done, he took the feelings I was trying to let go off and amplified and magnified them, and quite frankly, I hate that he's done this. I feel like reversing what he's done, so that he feels the emotional unrest i've felt these past couple of months. I have reversing oil, and black, red, purple, and white candles but no double action candles. I dont know what to do. I'm awaiting a large order at this moment. What can I do to help myself at this time? Thanks much!

Peace Be With You,

Guided--

Aina2 · Unread post by **Aina2** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:02 pm

You are under the spell right now, so it's up to you if you want to act on the feelings he's trying to put in you. Reversing a love/recon spell on him could be a bad idea though, because he'll just want to get back with you even more and obsess about you. I would do a cleansing and protect myself from his future attacks. Remember that if you act on those spell energies now, you'll end up in that same bad relationship again. Keep in mind why you broke up with him in the first place, protect yourself and you will feel tons better!

kmew1315 · Unread post by **kmew1315** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:32 pm

Aina wrote:Keep in mind why you broke up with him in the first place

With all due respect, I'm not really sure that's the best advice. Her reason for breaking up with him in the first place was because she didn't know if he really loved her or not, which she now does know.

Aina2 · Unread post by **Aina2** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:06 pm

With all due respect, I'm not really sure that's the best advice. Her reason for breaking up with him in the first place was because she didn't know if he really loved her or not, which she now does know.[/quote]

I see what you mean. However, from what the original poster said, I understand she felt justified leaving that man in the first place and felt good about it. She feels different now because he put a recon spell on her. I simply advised her to cleanse herself from his work so that she makes her own decision on whether she loves him or not.

Zoe_2 · Unread post by **Zoe_2** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:18 pm

I agree with the last poster. It's been several months, he's desperate enough over you to go to a rootworker, and I'm assuming (since you're on this board) that you aren't in the camp that says "love spells are totally unethical." Maybe he's learned his lesson. I'd go talk to him, tell him you know what he's done, and lay out for him how you need things to be different if you get back with him. Also, love is pretty unstable (look at all the divorces) so it's good if you can be with someone who will be OK with the two of you casting mutual love spells to keep the feelings going.

Guided09 · Unread post by **Guided09** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:03 pm

Aina wrote:With all due respect, I'm not really sure that's the best advice. Her reason for breaking up with him in the first place was because she didn't know if he really loved her or not, which she now does know.

I see what you mean. However, from what the original poster said, I understand she felt justified leaving that man in the first place and felt good about it. She feels different now because he put a recon spell on her. I simply advised her to cleanse herself from his work so that she makes her own decision on whether she loves him or not.[/quote]

What do you suggest I cleanse with? Thanks for the advice!!!

kmew1315 · Unread post by **kmew1315** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:58 pm

For the record, I wasn't suggesting that she go back to him, just that the reasons for the separation in the first place aren't really quite as valid anymore. But if she's found love with a new person who treats her better, that's not my place to tell her to give that up.

And sorry to go off track, and if I'm out of line, just tell me so. But I'm still fairly new to this and I'm fascinated with hearing about the effects of a love spell from the point of view of the target. Have you determined for certain that he did in fact do work on you? Have you confronted him about it (and if it's not an awkward situation, I would say you probably should confront him just to verify that he did in fact do spell work on you)? Do you know when he did the work compared to when it started hitting you?

Actually, unrelated to the previous questions, but just something worth thinking about. Have you done spell work on him before you moved on? If so, you should keep that in consideration when getting mad at him for doing the same. Just something to think about.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:27 pm

Ask yourself if you want to return or not. If you feel like moving on and breaking the spell, a basic Salt bath with Ammonia tossed in can help you for the time being. The second you get a chance get a double-action red and black candle spell to help you reverse the spell, a 13-herb bath to unwork the spell, and finally a Cut and Clear to help you let go of your feelings once and for all.

Guided09 · Unread post by **Guided09** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:13 pm

kmew1315,

Before my reading I didn't know that he had put a spell on me. All I know is that my thoughts of him were extremely incessant, my feelings for him passionate and strong, I missed him, craved him, regretted my decision. I dreamnt of him a couple of times, but I had no idea it was due to the spell. When I spoke to my reader she stated that he had gone to see a reader/root worker and had had a spell for my return placed on me.

I know that spells can show signs in 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months, when I checked the time duration between breaking up with him and when I started feeling consumed again, it was 3 month (like stated in my initial post). I have not confronted him about, and I don't plan on doing so, at least not right now. I mean, do you really think he'll admit to it? And how do I begin " did you go to a root worker to put a spell on me?" LOL! (Besides I'm from a culture that although magic is practiced, it's done very discreetly, almost taboo, so I doubt he'll admit to it).

Lastly, I've never done any work on him. I didn't want to influence his feelings for me, I wanted them to be of his will, because like you know, you can put a love spell on someone, and they will react to the spell placed on them, but it doesn't last if they truly don't love you... Thus, I never saw the sense in it.

Guided09 · Unread post by **Guided09** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:18 pm

Thank you ConjureMan, I've taken the salt and ammonia bath you prescribed.

Unread post by **Literarylioness** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:12 pm

I am going to throw a monkey wrench in this and say the poster still has feelings for the ex. I think the poster is still upset about how the ex treated her. It's the "why didn't you care about me then?" attitude, which is understandable yet short-sighted.

If it were ME, I would actually try to resolve the feelings with the ex. People do change and grow. By your own words, he was not a bad guy. He, like all of us, made some mistakes. in the words of Alexander Pope, "to err is human, to forgive divine." Now if the guy beat you, cheated on you, and treated you like dirt, then scrub him away. That is not what the post indicates though.

Maybe this time apart helped him realize what is really important to him. You can always scrub later and the ex would not have been able to work a spell without some initial soil to plant the spell in. Love work is not a one way street. I am sure the root doctor saw that there were feelings to still work with.

Just my ideas.

Mary

Aina2 · Unread post by **Aina2** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:39 pm

Guided09,

Rue is also great when someone tries to mess with your love life. Cleanse really well and get rid of the ideas he put in your head. From what you wrote in your first post, you "meant business" when you broke up with him and made a bold move. You must have been pretty upset with this guy to actually stay away from him for that long. Besides, you already tried to move on. I say cleanse really well and see him for who he is. If you do in fact love him and don't mind being taken for another ride of back and forth, you know he's waiting.

kmew1315 · Unread post by **kmew1315** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:43 am

Literarylioness,

I can't speak for everybody else, but I know that you just said the things I was thinking but didn't want to say.

It's not really fair to the new guy either though, which is the main reason why I just kept my mouth shut and didn't say anything. This is already complicated enough, I didn't want to make it worse.