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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:33 pm

1) For a histrical bibliography of books about hoodoo -- some in stock, some out of print, and all very good -- see:

AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY OF HOODOO SOURCE MATERIAL
by Catherine Yronwode
http://www.southernspirits.org/hoodoo-bibliography.html


2) For a complete list of modern printed books on hoodoo and other forms of folk magic and spirituality that are in stock and in print from Lucky Mojo, see:

LUCKY MOJO BOOK PUBLISHING AND DISTRIBUTION
http://luckymojo.com.publishinghtml


While you are at that page, be sure to check out the section of retail discount packages -- special collections of books by subject or author that are sold at reduced prices as package deals

3) For a FREE ONLINE BOOK ON HOODOO, containing hundreds of web pages on all aspects of the topic, with free spells, hoodoo history, and much more, see

"HOODOO IN THEORY AND PRACTICE"
by Catherine Yronwode
http://luckymojo/hoodoo.html


That link will get you to the table of contents, and you can read the entire book, one web page at a time.

4) For a FREE COLLECTION OF ARCHIVAL 19th and 20th CENTURY WRITINGS on HOODOO, containing hundreds of web pages of history, spell-casting, and much more, see

"SOUTHERN SPIRITS"
by Catherine Yronwode
http://southernspirits.org


That link will get you to the table of contents, and you can read the entire collection, one web page at a time.

5) And, for a good, all-around introduction to the subject, this book is our best seller:

BOO-GRI-HHSC
Hoodoo Herb & Root Magic, Paperback by catherine yronwode
$18.00
Published by Lucky Mojo, 2002.

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You can order right here in the Forum by clicking on the blue Add To Cart button.

Good luck in your studies and your practice of conjure!

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We just got in a set of Harry Hyatt books -- Folklore from
Adams County Illinois, 1965 edition, plus Hoodoo -
Conjuration - Witchcraft - Rootwork Volumes #3, #4, #5.

We also already have 2 copies of Folklore from Adams County
Illinois, 1935 edition in the shop.

There are no copies of HCWR Volumes #1 or #2 in stock at
this time.

Price on the above books is $100.00 per volume plus shipping
and insurance. You must order the HCWR Volumes 3, 4, amnd 5
as a set -- if we get them in a batch, we sell them as we
got them, and we do not break them up. The FACI books can be
ordered individually, either one or both (they are entirely
different editions; 1965 is not a reprint of 1935).

As usual, these rare books are offered to students first.
After this weekend, if they are unsold, they will be offered
to the public.

Also, don't forget the special students-only price on J. M.
Nickell's Botanical Ready Reference 1976 reprint edition in
paperback -- $6.00 plus shipping.

cat, for Susie B., whom you can call at 707-887-1521

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:39 pm

This is not about hoodoo per se, but i figured folks who
live in the area or who have Geechee / Gullah heritage might
want to know about it. Here is a golden opportunity for
people to provide input about hoodoo rootwork as an African
religio-magical system of belief (rather than as mere
"superstition") to the people who are organizing three
important historical and cultural centers. The deadline for
comments is February 1st, 2004.

-- cat

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - Dec. 10, 2003
CONTACT 404-562-3182 Paul Winegar

PUBLIC OPINIONS SOUGHT ON OPTIONS
FOR COMMEMORATING GULLAH PEOPLE

(ATLANTA)-The National Park Service is seeking public
comments on a
study outlining options for commemorating the Gullah culture
that has
survived on the southeastern U.S. coast since colonial times.

"Congress authorized this special study three years ago to identify
ways to honor a distinct group of Americans who are
descendants of
enslaved Africans from the west and central agricultural
regions of
Africa," said Patricia A. Hooks, the Park Service's acting southeast
regional director.

"These were people who, among other contributions, brought
rice growing skills to America," Hooks said. "Because of
their geographic isolation and strong sense of community,
they were able to preserve and maintain a language, arts,
crafts, religious beliefs, rituals and foods that are links
to their west African roots."

Gullah people (also known as Geechee in Georgia and Florida) occupied
the low country along the southeastern coast from the Cape
Fear River in North Carolina to the St. John's River in
northern Florida.

Although many rural Gullah communities still exist, their
survival is
increasingly threatened by resort and housing developments
along with
changing job markets and population shifts.

The Park Service conducted 14 public meetings throughout the
study area to get suggestions on ways to honor Gullah
history while preserving the remaining remnants of the culture.

After public review of the draft alternatives, the study
will be
finalized and presented to Congress for further consideration.

The four alternatives call for:

+ Developing three Gullah/Geechee coastal heritage centers to
interpret the history of the Gullah/Geechee people. The
centers would be established through partnerships with
government agencies and non-profit organizations. In
addition to their educational and
interpretive function, the coastal centers would help
preserve Gullah
culture, arts, crafts and historic structures.

One of the coastal centers would be located in northern
Charleston County, S.C., to be shared by Charles Pinckney
National Historic Site, Hampton Plantation State Park and
the Tibwin Plantation site on U.S. Forest Service land.

A second center would be located at the Penn Center on St.
Helena Island in Beaufort County, S.C. Originally a school
for former slaves, Penn Center has evolved into a Gullah
cultural resource center that promotes public education.

A third center would be located on an unspecified site in
McIntosh County, Ga., to be provided by the Georgia
Department of Natural Resources.

+ Using existing national park units in the area to
collaborate with
state and local parks to operate interpretive and
educational programs highlighting Gullah/Geechee history.

+ Establishing a National Heritage Area to connect Gullah/Geechee
resources. The National Park Service would provide startup
assistance for the heritage area but overall management
eventually would be shared by local entities.

+ Combining the best features of the first and third alternatives.

The Park Service will accept comments on the draft study
through Feb.
1, 2004. The document is available at public libraries
throughout the study area and on the web at
www.nps.gov/sero/ggsrs/gg_res.htm.
Limited copies also are available by contacting Cynthia
Porcher, Charles Pinckney National Historic Site, 843-881-5516.

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by MadameSamantha » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:07 pm

Ebay has an auction for volume 1 of the Harry Hyatt collection

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllVie ... 7&category
=46338

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:35 pm

With a minimum bid of $260.00 and a "Buy It Now" price of $270.00, i
predict it will sell soon. Yes, the price is high. Yes, the seller
exagerates the rarity of the book (3,000 were printed and most went to
libraries and universities, but many of those were de-aquisitioned or
stolen since 1970 and have entered the rare book market). Yes, the book
is slightly soiled and not in mint condiition.

Truth to tell, it has been three years since we have had a copy of
either Vol. 1 or Vol. 2 for sale in our shop.

Of course i will announce in this list if i ever get more copies of any
Hyatt books in stock -- but i recommend that you keep searching ebay
and amazon for copies -- and that anyone who can afford this Vol. #1 at
ebay should snap it up.

cat (but don't be fighting amongst yourselves now) yronwode

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by urth_devi » Sun Dec 14, 2003 4:06 pm

You can special order both volumes 1 & 2 for $90.00 (paperback) at
your local Borders Bookstore; at least you could last year when I
bought mine. I'd check it out before I spent $270.00 for volume 1
alone.

Blessings,

Connie

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:42 pm

I am passing this along from the 2004 class because some here might
want to follow up on this book recommendation i made in the lesson on
being gifted:

> > --- "lapis_siren" <lapis_siren@y...> wrote:

> > I have been unable to find the recommended book, "Cajun Healing:
> > Les Traiteur et Les Traiteuse" by Berk Veillon (Acclaim Publishing,
> > San Antonio, 1998), through either Amazon, Albris, and ABE Book
> > Search websites. Any suggestions as to where I may be able to find
> > this book?

Here is the information on where to order it:

Berk Veillon
942 North 4th Street
Eunice, LA 70535
phone (318) 457-7196
fax: (318) 457-7196
email: BerkV@...

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Quimbisero » Thu Jan 15, 2004 8:33 pm

I am interested in the views, experiences and opinions of the people in our class on
the following subject, and of course would welcome Cat's informed remarks on this
most interesting subject.

It is referred to directly on a number of occassions in Hyatt and of course is implicit in
the frequently mentioned Hoodoo term "two-headed" Doctor. The subject I am
referring to is the direct communication with spirits, not merely through internal
"spiritual" communication with guides, but also through possession.

In the interview and related materials concerning the Unkis Man, Hyatt indicates that
his assistant remarks about the state or behavior of the man and Hyatt agknowledges
his remark but does not overtly explain it. (Forgive me because I do not have my copy
of Hyatt in front of me to check the wording- I am going from memory) However, it is
obvious to me that he is referring to an altered state of consciousness and that the
man must have been close to being possessed by a spirit.

It is a state that is central to most African traditional religions both in Africa and in
the New World. In the Spiritual churches of New Orleans, it is institutionalized, but in
Hoodoo it is fairly loosely referred to and is not at least now presented as a common
occurance in most literature.

Well, I throw the subject out there and hope that it may generate some discussion.

Eoghan

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Jan 16, 2004 9:54 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Quimbisero" <eballard@s...> wrote:

> > I am interested in the views, experiences and opinions of the people
> in our class on the following subject, and of course would welcome
> Cat's informed remarks on this most interesting subject.
>
> It is referred to directly on a number of occassions in Hyatt and of
> course is implicit in the frequently mentioned Hoodoo term "two-
> headed" Doctor. The subject I am referring to is the direct
> communication with spirits, not merely through internal
> "spiritual" communication with guides, but also through possession.
>
> In the interview and related materials concerning the Unkis Man,
> Hyatt indicates that his assistant remarks about the state or
> behavior of the man and Hyatt agknowledges his remark but does not
> overtly explain it. (Forgive me because I do not have my copy
> of Hyatt in front of me to check the wording- I am going from memory)
> However, it is obvious to me that he is referring to an altered state
> of consciousness and that the man must have been close to being
> possessed by a spirit.

This might be the following, which you once transcribed:

{Hyatt writes} After he [the Unkus Man] leaves the room, my
contact man Edward comes in and we discuss our experience. I
speak, "So you heard him all the way down the steps, did
you?" Edward answers, "Yeah, all the way down to the end of
the hall there." i continue, "Certainly sounded - and then
every once in a while he would stop and shake his head, as
if he were going into a trance or something, you know."
Edward concludes, "Yeah, good gracious alive, certianly did
lay a bit easy around here - he was kind of sticking with
you." {end Hyatt}

> > It is a state that is central to most African traditional religions
> both in Africa and in the New World. In the Spiritual churches
> of New Orleans, it is institutionalized, but in
> Hoodoo it is fairly loosely referred to and is not at
> least now presented as a common occurance in most literature.
>
> Well, I throw the subject out there and hope that it may generate
> some discussion.
>
> Eoghan

I think that the term "two-headed" is less often heard now
in hoodoo circles than in times past.

You noted soemthing i have seen as well -- you said that in
the Spiritual Church in New Orleans trance possession is
"institutionalized." Now, it can be said that this is true
of all Holiness Church denominations, but in those cases the
possession is not by specific spirits, rather by the Holy
Ghost or Holy Spirit. However, institutionalized trance
possession by non-Holy Spirit entities can also be found
among hoodoo workers OUTSIDE of New Orleans when you examine
the records of conjure doctors who were members of the
Spiritual Church versus those who were not.

For instance, Aunt Caroline Dye of Newport, Arkansas, who
had passed by the time Harry Hyatt conducted his interviews
in her region, was mentioned by another of Hyatt's
subjects,who noted that Dye was a member of the Spiritual
Church and that he thought she would be appearing at their
next four-year convention in New Orleans. When we see Dye's
calling card photo (not a casual home snapshot), it has
obviously been doctored to show an otherworldy familiar by
her side, as well as a halo or aura around her head. So she
was tacitly -- and probably openly, if we but had a verbal
record of it -- engaging in some form of mediumship or
trance possession of non-human, non-Holy-Spirit entities.

See the calling card photo of Aunt Caroline Dye at
http://www.luckymojo.com/auntcarolinedye.html

Another one that comes to mind in this regard is Paschal
Beverly Randolph, the Virginia-born African American
spiritualist medium of the mid 19th century. In addition to
appearing on stage and in seances among white audiences to
contact the dead, Randolph sold hoodoo-style spiritual
supplies by mail order, including various elixers, salves,
the "New Orleans Magnetic Pillow," scrying mirrors for use
in divination, manhood restoration tonics, and hashish (then
legal). In other words, he straddled the line between being
a rootworker and a spirit medium.

What sets Randolph apart from white seance mediums of his
era is that he fits right into the "two-headed" world,
although he never used that down-home country term. Rather,
he said that he lived a "double existence" and that he was
possessed not merely by the spirits of the dead -- which was
the form of mediumship common in white Spiritualist circles
of the time -- but also by non-human spirits, some of whom
he called "angels" -- a form of trance possession that was
*highly unusual* among white Spiritualists of his era.

Randolph referred to the condition of being possessed by
non-human spirits as "atrilism" (he coined many neologisms
such as this, which makes his work difficult to follow at
times) and he said that, unlike a medium who was channeling
the spirits of the dead, a medium who engaged in atrilism
was "not present" -- that the spirit being took over or
possessed his body completely. Randolph seems to have known
nothing about African or African diasporic religions -- his
"double existence" and "atrilism" theories all came out of
his family background as a Free Man of Color in Virginia.

Please read more in "Paschal Beverly Rabdolph, A Nineteenth
Century Black American Spiritualist, Rosicrucian, and Sex
Magician" by John Patrick Deveney, State University of New
York Press, 1997.

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:33 pm

We just got in a set of Harry Hyatt books -- Folklore from
Adams County Illinois, 1965 edition, plus Hoodoo -
Conjuration - Witchcraft - Rootwork Volumes #3, #4, #5.

We also already have 2 copies of Folklore from Adams County
Illinois, 1935 edition in the shop.

There are no copies of HCWR Volumes #1 or #2 in stock at
this time.

Price on the above books is $100.00 per volume plus shipping
and insurance. You must order the HCWR Volumes 3, 4, amnd 5
as a set -- if we get them in a batch, we sell them as we
got them, and we do not break them up. The FACI books can be
ordered individually, either one or both (they are entirely
different editions; 1965 is not a reprint of 1935).

As usual, these rare books are offered to students first.
After this weekend, if they are unsold, they will be offered
to the public.

Also, don't forget the special students-only price on J. M.
Nickell's Botanical Ready Reference 1976 reprint edition in
paperback -- $6.00 plus shipping.

cat, for Susie B., whom you can call at 707-887-1521

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:36 pm

This is just a note to let folks know that the set of Vol. #3, #4, and
#5 of Harry Hyatt's "Hoodoo - Conjuration - Witchcraft - Rootwork"
(HCWR) i mentioned last night has been sold.

We also recived a call at the shop from a student (Carin didn't get
the name, alas) asking what the differences are between the 1935 and
1963 editions of Hyatt's "Folklore from Adams County Illinois" (FACI).

I did go into this a bit at my web page on Hyatt
http://www.luckymojo.com/hyatt.html
but basically -- they are different, period. The 1935 edition is easier
to read (typeset, octavo volume), but the 1965 edition is MASSIVE --
typewriter type, like the HCWR books, and matchiung them in size and
binding -- plus it is the only place where you can learn more about
Hyatt himself -- for it contains a section printed on glossy paper in
which he describes his life and his relationship with his wife Alma,
who was his muse and financial supporter throughout his long years of
dedicated folklore collecting.

The other question often asked is "Why do i need FACI when it is not
about hoodoo?"

False premise!

A great deal of FACI is in fact avbout hoodoo.

FACI represents the largest attempt ever to catalogue ALL the beliefs
of ALL the people living in one region (Adams County Illinois, like the
title says). There are oversights -- Hyatt refused to collect material
from Jews or Native Americans, for reasons that defy rationality at
this point -- but there were plenty of black people in Adams County,
and Hyatt collected all of their hoodoo beliefs, spells, and practices
in FACI, and labelled them "Negro" for ease of extraction by
researchers.

It was Hyatt's realization that Negro magical beliefs differed greatly
from his own English American culture's beliefs that led him to go
South and work on HCWR, the largest collection of folklore from one
cultural group in America.

But FACI is not only important becuase it served as Hyatt's
introduction to hoodoo -- it is also the most thorough and factual
record of Irish, English, German, and other white European magical
beliefs in America ever assembled, and, as such, it deserves a place on
the shelf of any American Neo-Pagan, Wiccan, Fam-Trad or Pow Wow
practitioner.

So, i guess that was a sales pitch -- we still have the 1935 FACI and
the 1965 FACI for sale. $100.00 eash, plus shipping, like i said.

Call Carin or Susie at (707) 887-1521.

cat

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Valentina Burton » Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:53 am

From: "geminirisingangelsfalling" <cocodiva1@hotmail.com>

> > i have the newbill niles puckett book
> which has some nice photos there but am always
> interested in more...

Hey, what is the "newbill niles puckett" book?

Valentina

("Folk Beliefs of the Southern Negro" by Newbell (note proper spelling) Niles Puckett. See bibliographic details on pages 215-216 of Hoodoo Herb and Root Magic. --cat)
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Unread post by Chela23 » Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:42 am

When working with the European grimoires have rootworkers had their own methods unique to Hoodoo or have they for the most part gone "by the book"(Ceremonial style, with circles, etc.)?

(What is incorporated into hoodoo from European grimoires does not go "by the book." It falls into only four categories:

1) employment of botanical, mineral, and zoological curios according to the "wonder book" tradtion of Anglo-Germanic Europe (e.g. Albertus Magnus, Hohman);

2) employment of talismans, seals, anmd sigils according to the Christian-Jewish kabbalist meld that produced European grimoires such as The Key of Solomon, the 6th and 7th Books of Moses, etc. -- but without the rites themselves, just the use of the seals;

3) recital of Psalms and selected Biblical verses for magical purposes according to Jewish (and later Christian) magical tradtions as exemplified (but not originated) in Selig's "Secrets of the Psalms"; and

4) recital or writing out of selected "power words" according to the pagan European and Jewish magical traditions, such as the SATOR square (ancient Roman), and SHADDAI (Jewish).

To the best of my knowledge, all the ceremonialist material in the grimoires -- and it is important to note that not all grimoires of European origin even do contain ceremonialist instructions regarding circles, consecrated swords, and the like in the first place -- has been elided. What are used are the words (Psalms and Jewish kabbalist and pagan European power words) and the pictures (seals and sigils). In practical terms, the seals are made into paper talismans and placed in mojo bags or other packets.

Thanks for bringing up this question; i will insert my reply above to my web page on the history of hoodoo to clarify that portion of the text as soon as i tighten it up, spell-check it, add links, and htmlize it. It'll be at
http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoohistory.html

--cat)

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Unread post by Monique Jones » Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:26 pm

I got so excited about my new path, I decide to take a trip to Ghana
Africa in July. The package that I found is $3,500 and it includes
everything (airfare, tours, hotels and meals). One of the major
forcus of the tour is a day with a village medicine man.

I just thought I would share this in case anyone was interested.

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Unread post by urdabrunnr » Sat May 01, 2004 1:06 pm

Hello, folks,

Today I found a book at a used store for $2 titled " Rootwork" by Tayannah
Lee McQuillar. Has anyone read this? I"m curious as to what people's
oppinions are on the book.

thanks,
Galina

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Unread post by MadameSamantha » Thu May 06, 2004 1:45 am

Miss Cat:

I was wondering if you have an opinion on the new book "Sticks, Stones, Roots, and Bones: Hoodoo, Mojo, and Conjuring With Herbs" by Stephanie Rose Bird.

Respectfully,
Samantha

(I have not yet seen it. --cat)

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Unread post by Etudiant Ancetres » Thu May 06, 2004 7:24 pm

Hey Cat and everyone,

Yeah! I heard of "Sticks, Stones, Roots, and Bones: Hoodoo, Mojo, and Conjuring With Herbs" by Stephanie Rose Bird, and I've been to the book's website at Llewellyn. Llewellyn is the publishing company and the author of the book is an African-American green witch with connections to La Ocha through her uncle. I haven't purchased the new book yet or seen it, but I do want to buy it and see if it's good or not. I just hope to God that it's not some new age book for beginning hoodoo practices. That would be disappointing. But you know what, Cat, I remember a while back you (or someone else) said something about how you've done so well in spreading the word about Hoodoo (which is very much true) and inspiring interest in it that the publishing companies (and you know which one I'm talking about, I have nothing against them, they do publish some good books) will start publishing books on hoodoo full of BS to make a good buck. It seems that that's starting to happen, but I won't assume anything until I see the book for myself.

Marc

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Unread post by AnkleBells » Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:02 am

Cat or anyone else who knows...do you know of any
web sites where one can download good books related
to Hoodoo?
Carla

"Drums and Shadows" has been mentioned here before. The URL is
www.sacred-texts.com/afr/das/
"Conjure Woman" (fiction, but accurate on hoodoo depictions) by Charles W. Chesnutt is online atthe University of North Carolina -- the URL for their collection of Southern Literature" is
metalab.unc.edu/docsouth/chesnuttconjure/conjure.html --cat)

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Unread post by W Brewer » Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:53 am

anklebells800cows@juno.com wrote:

("Conjure Woman" (fiction, but accurate on hoodoo depictions) by Charles W. Chesnutt is online at the University of North Carolina -- the URL for their collection of Southern Literature is
metalab.unc.edu/docsouth/chesnuttconjure/conjure.html --cat)

The Conjure Woman text is very interesting. In fact I found it when l was researcing my Maiden name "McAdoo".
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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by AnkleBells » Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:11 am

Does anyone out there know if the book,
The Magic And Folk Beliefs of The Southern
Negro by Newbell Niles Puckett is available
for download anywhere? Carla

(I do not think it is. It was originally copyright in the name of the University of North Carolina. Despite all the good folklore information it contains, the book is distastefully racist by today's standards, so i think there would be a reluctance on the part of a public institutution to place it online. I would be reluctant to do so myself. --cat)

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:38 pm

-- For Sale --

At the current time we have volumes 3, 4, and 5 in stock of the rare,
long-out-of-print Harry Hyatt 5,000 page opus on African-American
hoodoo folk-magic, "Hoodoo - Conjuration - Witchcraft - Rootowrk."
They are sold as a SET only because only 3,000 copies were printed,
amd Vols. 1 and 2 were sold by Hyatt as one set, while 3, 4, and 5
were sold by him as a second set.

Vols. 3, 4, and 5 are $300.00 per set, plus $17.00 for shipping,
insurance, and delivery receipt in the USA. (They are big and weigh
about 20 lbs total).

We also have a pristine mint copy of the 1935 first edition of Hyatt's
"Folklore from Adams County Illinois" (which contains hoodoo material
as
well as other magical folklore from German and British people). This
is $100.00. Shipping on this is $7.00 to USA addresses.

We also have a pristine mint copy of the 1965 revised edition of
Hyatt's
"Folklore from Adams County Illinois" in a binding that matches "Hoodoo
-
Conjuration - Witchcraft - Rootowrk." Again, the price is $100.00, and
shipping is $7.00 to USA addresses.

Shipping prices quoted above are by Media Rate. If you wish for faster
service such as UPS 2-day, the cost will be higher, of course.

-- General Information --

"Hoodoo - Conjuration - Witchcraft - Rootwork" is a 5-volume,
4766-page collection of folkloric material gathered by Harry
Middleton Hyatt, in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Illinois,
Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina,
Tennessee, and Virginia between 1936 and 1940. Supplementary
interviews were conducted in Florida in 1970.

The Hyatt collection consists of 13,458 separate magic spells and
folkloric beliefs, plus lengthy interviews with professional root
doctors, conjures, and hoodoos. All but one of Hyatt's1600
informants were African-Americans, but several narrations by
European-Americans (collected for his earlier book, "Folklore From
Adams County, Illinois") were also included. Hyatt recorded the
material on Edison cylinders and a device called a Telediphone, often
without the full knowledge of the participants. He then transcribed
and annotated it for publication. Occasionally his equipment failed
or was not available and he took hand-written notes instead. The
1930s field recordings have since been destroyed, with the exception
of a few cylinders that Hyatt had pressed onto 78 rpm records. The
Florida interviews of 1970, recorded on cassette tapes, have survived.

The publication of this material was accomplished between 1970
and 1978. The first two volumes were issued as a set in 1970, and
said to be complete, but then, after a few years, three more volumes
were released. Hyatt published the books himself -- that is, they were
released under the imprint "Memoirs of the Alma C. Hyatt Foundation."
Alma C. Hyatt was his wife.

If you want more information about these rare books, go to
http://www.luckymojo.com/hyatt.html

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Quimbisero » Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:38 pm

I have to agree with Cat that Newbell Niles Puckett represents the
epitome of racism. That being said, if you can pinch your nose, and
gird up your loins, there is a lot of useful material between its covers.

There was an edition published by Dover at one point, which means that
there are probably a fair number of cheap copies out there somewhere.
I got a copy through ABE books online, but even Amazon might be able
to scare up a used copy somewhere.

He must have been a fascinating case study in himself. He demonstrates
even more disdain for the beliefs of African Americans than he does
the people themselves. I suspect that secretly, for all of his
badmouthing of Hoodoo and Rootwork, he was a closet believer himself.
If you can ignore his opinion, the book is valuable.

Eoghan

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by rasashastra » Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:47 am

Greetings everybody:

While at my local Barnes&Noble, I found a book (new to me)
entitled "Element Encyclopedia of 5000 Spell" by Judika Illys. It
really is a jumbo book, over 1000 pages, hardback, sort of "coffee
table" format. Browsing through it, albeit quickly, I was impressed
that it ONLY contains page after page of spells (eclectic), with
little theorizing, or "Rede" implications (a Wiccan seems to have
wrote it). Ms. Illys seems to have "simply" published a (usefull)
compendium of spells from a variety of sources--I'd suspect many
listed are from the Hyatt material (in my haste, I couldn't really
suss out references). At any rate, I liked what I saw, and at $27
for the size and format, think its probably not a bad deal. But,
like I said, I was in and out, and didn't have a chance to really
look in detail. Has anybody here bought this book, or have any
opinions on the author's source material?
Amazon stocks this title, and here is a link:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... 2-1422659-
3389615?v=glance

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Stacey » Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:45 am

I have the book as well. For anyone who desires to be an adept at conjure work, it's definitely something to consider. At first I hesitated to purchase the book because I initially thought it would be full of only European spellwork. However, I randomly selected pages in each section and to my surprise 9 out of 12 times, I can across a HooDoo/Afro-Caribbean conjure. This made my decision to buy the book. The author gets into very brief histories behind some of the spells, but I find it more interesting that many Wiccans will purchase the book and find African-based spells right next to the European spells further breaking down stereotypes that African conjure is from the dark side, because if it's laid out right next to their tradition, what does it say about that? Interesting food for thought...Mystique

hrcourse@yahoogroups.com wrote:_____________________________________________

Message: 1
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:39:12 -0000
From: "rasashastra"
Subject: Jumbo Spell book (opinions?)

Greetings everybody:

While at my local Barnes&Noble, I found a book (new to me)
entitled "Element Encyclopedia of 5000 Spell" by Judika Illys. It
really is a jumbo book, over 1000 pages, hardback, sort of "coffee
table" format. Browsing through it, albeit quickly, I was impressed
that it ONLY contains page after page of spells (eclectic), with
little theorizing, or "Rede" implications (a Wiccan seems to have
wrote it). Ms. Illys seems to have "simply" published a (usefull)
compendium of spells from a variety of sources--I'd suspect many
listed are from the Hyatt material (in my haste, I couldn't really
suss out references). At any rate, I liked what I saw, and at $27
for the size and format, think its probably not a bad deal. But,
like I said, I was in and out, and didn't have a chance to really
look in detail. Has anybody here bought this book, or have any
opinions on the author's source material?
Amazon stocks this title, and here is a link:




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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by super_na2ral » Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:45 am

I came across the same book and was impressed with it. I didn't
have much time either to look through it and read much but I did see
Cat's name as a reference, so that made me feel even better about
the book. Anyone's opinion about the author and the book would be
great.

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Tommyc » Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:33 am

FWIW, I just checked Hyatt's Hoodoo set at http://www.bookfinder.com and
vol three alone goes for $600 and at that, Alibris being kind of
anonymous, it's hard to tell whether more than one copy is available. A
complete five-vol set is offered at $4,750.

Thought you'd like to know.

(Them's some prices! I have Vol. 3, 4, and 5 for sale for $300.00 for all three books, plus shipping and insurance, which is $20.00 by media mail anywhere in the USA. --cat)

I just realized Yahoo had dropped me from the list again, so I'm playing
catchup. A bounced mail problem. Grrr.

(Glad you're back. --cat)

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It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most
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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by rasashastra » Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:40 am

I wrote in a recent post, after quickly looking over Judika
Illes "5000 Spells" book, I commented that she has few references,
and little theory. Although I wasn't being negative about what I
said, I stand corrected. I received a copy of the book yesterday,
and would like to append/clarify my comments by adding:

1. She does not "theorIZE", but provides some "theory", which is
good stuff. The first 102 pages (of 1108) she gives an overview of
mostly the techniques and tool of the trade. Instead of saying she
does not offer theory, I SHOULD have phrased it, that she does
not "moralize"--instead, the "theory" sections, are either quite
informative, or good reviews.

2. Previously, I stated that Judika does not have many refrences.
Well, no, documentation is NOT supplied on a spell by spell basis;
however, her bibilography is rather impressive--frequently including
some rare and arcane sources. This lady did some good research.
The ONLY criticism I can summon, is that she could have used some
type of parenthetical citation system relating individual spells to
the bibilographic list.

Ms. Illes has created a really nice volume though, and any of you
all interested in savings, might want to check ebay, where retailers
are selling new (shrinkwrapped) copies from $15 to $20 (from where I
got mine for $20 with postage and insurance!). In my opinion, an
excellant companion text to Cat's course, nicely bound and produced

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by amazon43452 » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:18 pm

I would like to purchase a copy of your book, and was wondering if you could autograph it for me???

thank you!
Deborah Waddell

(Sure -- everyone who orders any of my books through Lucky Mojo gets it autographed. If you order via Amazon or another of our distributors, it will not be autographed. Please address any further communications about the book to the shop, at order@luckymojo.com --cat)

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Barbara Griffith » Mon Nov 01, 2004 7:44 pm

http://www.wired.com/news/roadtrip/rive ... _tophead_4

[I gave a sigh over the bogus "Robert Johnson at the Crossroads" introduction, but the article is actually about a rather unusual business enterprise, a sort of theme park of Mississippi shacks. Makes you wonder... it really does. --cat]

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by geminirisingangelsfalling » Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:00 pm

Hoodoos,
I came across this article in the Baton Rouge newspaper today. If
you are a practitioner this is definitely something to consider.

Best,

Jamey


http://2theadvocate.com/stories/111004/ ... s001.shtml

Regulation pondered for natural healers


By MARK BALLARD
mballard@theadvocate.com
Capitol news bureau

A study group looking for a way to regulate voodoo priests,
traiteurs, shamans and other natural healers bogged down Tuesday
over whether the state should license them like medical doctors.
Practitioners of alternative medicine probably won't be licensed,
said state Rep. Sydnie Mae Durand, D-St. Martinville, who chairs the
Naturopathic Medicine Task Force.

Instead, she is considering proposed legislation to regulate them
and protect them from prosecution, Durand said.

South Louisiana's long tradition of relying on natural remedies to
health problems almost was outlawed during the spring session of the
Legislature, Durand said.

The task force is charged with drafting proposed law governing
alternative medicine to debate during the legislative session
beginning in April.

Historically many Louisiana residents may have turned to voodoo
priests, traiteurs and herbalists.

Alternative medicine also includes nutritional interventions, yoga,
prayer, meditation, herbs, even fad diets.

A National Institutes of Health survey of 31,000 Americans, released
in May, found that 62 percent of U.S. adults used some form of
alternative medicine.

During the 2004 legislative session, the Louisiana State Board of
Medical Examiners, which licenses doctors, pushed bills that would
have made it a felony to practice medicine without its license.

That legislation passed the House.

The bills were being considered in a Senate committee when
alternative medicine providers discovered the language that would
make them criminals when they do business.

Under the language sought by the medical board, a clerk who
recommended a vitamin to combat, say, stress or tension headaches
would have broken the law, said Conrad Adams of the Infinity
Hypnosis Institute in Baton Rouge.

The clerk would have faced prison, large fines and the loss civil
rights, he said.

"The language was the challenge. We were concerned that there was a
potential to become a felon because what we do is technically the
practice of medicine," Adams said.

Rep. Durand said Louisiana's medical establishment does not want to
criminalize a historic tradition but wants to protect the public
from quack medicine.

For instance, a federal court on Aug. 25 sentenced Gregory James
Caton of Lake Charles to 33 months in federal prison for defrauding
customers and skirting federal health laws.

His Internet business, Alpha Omega Labs, made $950,000 selling what
were billed as natural remedies, according to federal prosecutors.

But the state medical examiners board had not fully considered the
long tradition in Louisiana of relying on herbal, nutritional and
other holistic approaches.

Durand said she hopes to draft a proposed law that protects
consumers while not harming the centuries-old traditions.

"It was not a witch hunt that the Board of Examiners were going out
to get people," Durand said. "There's absolutely no definition in
the law at this time."

Durand said she herself has used the services of a traiteur, an old
French word that Cajuns still use for a person who uses herbs to
treat illness.

Durand said she once suffered from severe headaches, particularly
when in the sun. But a Cajun traiteur in rural St. Martin Parish
gave her a string to put in her cowboy hat.

"You know what? It worked. I still have that string," Durand said.

At Tuesday's meeting, naturopathic physicians who have attended one
of the six colleges in the hemisphere that provide such training ran
into opposition from traditional medical doctors and from natural
medicine practitioners without the education.

The naturopathic physicians want the legislation to license the
practice of natural medicine, which is licensed in 12 other states.

But Louisiana doctors argued that naturopathic physicians have not
undergone 12 years of extensive, science-based training. Rather,
naturopathic physicians complete four-year curriculums and in some
states can hold themselves out as medical doctors that practice
holistic medicine.

Naturopathic physician Jeanette Gallagher of Mandeville said she
studied at the Southwest College of Natural Medicine in Tempe,
Ariz., then spent two years practicing at a clinic on the Navajo
Reservation.

Gallagher argued for the need of licensing, saying that the public
should know who is trained and who is not.

Noting that Louisiana's rural parishes suffer an acute shortage of
physicians, Gallagher said, "I could set up a clinic tomorrow. You
have to let me help these people."

Gallagher said that poverty of rural areas can be helped by natural
medicine. For instance, the prescription medicine for diabetes is
manufactured from sugar cane.

"If they can't afford the drugs in the rural areas but they need to
know about the nutrition and the herbs that will work," Gallagher
said.

Other practitioners of alternative medicine want the legislation to
allow natural medicine alternatives, provided that the practitioners
disclose their credentials and their specialties.

"We want to make sure people have the right to choose, as long as
they don't do so in a harmful way," said Samuel Bridges with
Community Health Foundation of Gonzales.

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Dec 31, 2004 8:49 pm

--- Forwarded from hrcourse2004 ---

> > --- "lapis_siren" <lapis_siren@y...> wrote:

> > I have been unable to find the recommended book, "Cajun Healing:
> > Les Traiteur et Les Traiteuse" by Berk Veillon (Acclaim Publishing,
> > San Antonio, 1998), through either Amazon, Albris, and ABE Book
> > Search websites. Any suggestions as to where I may be able to find
> > this book?

Here is the information on where to order it:

Berk Veillon
942 North 4th Street
Eunice, LA 70535
phone (318) 457-7196
fax: (318) 457-7196
email: BerkV@a...

cat yronwode

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Dec 31, 2004 8:51 pm

--- forwarded from hrcourse2004 ---

In hrcourse2004@yahoogroups.com, "velvetflamingo" <velvetflamingo@y...>
wrote:
--- In hrcourse2004@yahoogroups.com, "lapis_siren" <lapis_siren@y...>
wrote:
> > Greetings,
>
> I have been unable to find the recommendd book, ""Cajun Healing: Les
> Traiteur et Les Traiteuse" by Berk Veillon (Acclaim Publishing, San
> Antonio, 1998). through either Amazon, Albris, and ABE Book Search
> websites. Any suggestions as to where I may be able to find this
> book?
>
> Thanks,
> Nagia

For future reference, there's also always Interlibrary Loan. Most
public libraries offer "ILL" services. I'm the ILL person at my
library, and I was able to find two libraries, both in Louisiana,
that own copies, and put in an order. Of course there's never a
guarantee that a library will lend it, or that the book will be on
their shelf, but a lot of times it's a good way to scope things out
before you buy.

Karen Joan

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:19 pm

--- forwarded from hrcourse2004 ---

In hrcourse2004@yahoogroups.com, "lapis_siren" <lapis_siren@y...>
wrote:

(Edited with interpolations for speediest response -- cat)

Greetings,

Has anyone read the following books?:

"Hoodoo Medicine: Gullah Herbal Remedies"
by Faith Mitchell

(A good book, well thought of. --cat)

"Voodoo & Hoodoo: Their Tradition and Craft
As Revealed by Actual Practitioners"
by Jim Haskins

(This is a good book, albeit by a non-practitioner. The author is a
general non-fiction writer who was interested in the hoodoo rootwork
that his grandmother practiced and so he documented it, with more
skepticism than i would have liked to have seen, but faithfully
nonetheless. Given the time period -- mid-70s -- when he wrote it and
his own upwardly-mobile attitude, one can understand, perhaps, his
slight disdain for his own family's old-fashioned ways. Nonetheless,
this is a book that should be in everyone's hoodoo library. By the way,
there are a few serious botanical errors in the text due to Haskins'
not being a botanist. We sell the book and supply a free botanical
errata sheet to correct the errors. --cat)

"Hoodoo Mysteries: Folk Magic, Mysticism & Rituals"
by Ray Malbrough

(I do not recommend this book nor do i carry it in my shop. --cat)

"Clara and the Hoodoo Man" (this is a children's book)
by Elizabeth Partridge

(This book is fiction, with hoodoo mentioned but not well explained. --
cat)

What did you think of them?

Blessings,
Nagia

P.S. There's also a book comeing out in June from Llewellyn called -

"Sticks, Stones, Roots & Bones: Hoodoo, Mojo & Conjuring with Herbs"
by Stephanie Rose Bird

that also looks interesting.

(I look forward to this one. --cat)

(Not mentioned by you, but extremely important and easy to obtain is

"Mules and Men"
by Zora Neale Hurston

-- which i consider another absolutely essential book on hoodoo,
drawing on first hand material from Hurston's own life and first
published in the 1930s. We carry this in our shop; it is also sold at
amazon.

For more books i recommend, see the bibliography on pages 215 and 216
of "Hoodoo Herb and Root Magic" -- cat)

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Etudiant Ancetres » Sun Jan 02, 2005 2:17 pm

catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com> wrote:

--- forwarded from hrcourse2004 ---

"lapis_siren" <lapis_siren@y...> wrote:

> > Greetings,
>
> Has anyone read the following books?:
>
> "Hoodoo Mysteries: Folk Magic, Mysticism & Rituals"
> by Ray Malbrough
>
> (I do not recommend this book nor do i carry it
> in my shop. --cat)

"Hoodoo "Mysteries" is not a good book, though I have to admit that there are some good bath recipes, and information on working with the saints and card divination, but other than that I was disappointed with Mr. Malbrough with his latest book.

> > "Sticks, Stones, Roots & Bones: Hoodoo,
> Mojo & Conjuring with Herbs"
> by Stephanie Rose Bird
>
> (I look forward to this one. --cat)

I have "Sticks, Stones, Root, & Bones" also. That is a good book, but what I didn't like about it was the omission of Christian elements in hoodoo which I feel is just as important as the Yoruba stuff she included in the book. But other than that besides a few other things, I like this book.

Marc

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Unread post by Baron Cenobyte » Sun Jan 02, 2005 6:45 pm

> > Sticks, Stones, Roots & Bones: Hoodoo,
> > Mojo & Conjuring with Herbs"
> > by Stephanie Rose Bird
> >
> > (I look forward to this one. --cat)
>
> I have "Sticks, Stones, Root, & Bones"
> also. That is a good book, but what I
> didn't like about it was the omission
> of Christian elements in hoodoo which
> I feel is just as important as the Yoruba
> stuff she included in the book. But other
> than that besides a few other things, I
> like this book.
>
> Marc

When I first started reading this book, I thought of how it reminded me of Cat with the mentioning of old blues songs and their lyrics. Lucky Mojo is also mentioned in Appendix B under Hoodoo and Spiritual Supplies and in the acknowledgements it reads:

"Archivist, proprietor, and author Catherine Yronwood used the Internet to bring international attention to Hoodoo, a faith whose following had been waning before her work. Her research gave voice to a collection of practices I was born into; thanks for helping me to remember." - Stephanie Rose Bird

I don't know if the misspelling of Cat's name is the mistake of the author or the editor.

(It's a cpommon mistake. So are Ironwood. Ironwode, Ironwoode, Yronwoode, and Yarwood. I even get mail address to "Mrs. Yarnwoodie.")

So, I feel that obviously, LM site and CY have had a big impact on Ms. Bird. the book also had that "Wicca" feeling to it and I noticed that she also acknowledges Scott Cunningham so I guess, in part at least, that is where that Wicca feeling comes from.

As for the omission of the Christian elements, Ms. Bird states in the introduction, ".... I seek to present Hoodoo from an African American perspective and trace the roots of this particular magickal path to West Africa and Ancient Khemet (Black Egypt)."

(Thanks for the review. --cat)

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Lucifera Shadow » Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:54 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, Etudiant Ancetres
<enfantdesancetres@y...> wrote:

> >> "Hoodoo "Mysteries" is not a good book, though I have to admit
that there are some good bath recipes, and information on working
with the saints and card divination, but other than that I was
disappointed with Mr. Malbrough with his latest book.<<

Can you tell me what is bad about the book, specifically? Just
curious. :)

Thanks!

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Lucifera Shadow » Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:56 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "catherine yronwode" <cat@l...>
wrote:
> > "Voodoo & Hoodoo: Their Tradition and Craft
> As Revealed by Actual Practitioners"
> by Jim Haskins
>

> By the way,
> there are a few serious botanical errors in the text due to
Haskins'
> > not being a botanist. We sell the book and supply a free botanical
> errata sheet to correct the errors. --cat)

Is your botanical errata sheet available for people who didn't buy
the book from your shop? My best friend bought me that book as a gift
in 2003, and I really enjoy it. But had I known she was going to get
it, I would have suggested she buy it from you so we could get the
errata sheet to go with it.

Thanks in advance.

(Send a self-addressed envelope and request the "Haskins errata sheet," or request it with any order for products. --cat)

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Lucifera Shadow » Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:32 pm

> --- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "catherine yronwode" <cat@l...>
> wrote:

> (Send a self-addressed envelope and request the "Haskins errata
> sheet," or request it with any order for products. --cat)

Ok, I'll do that. Thank you!! :)

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Unread post by MissMichaele » Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:05 pm

This is a forward from the 2004 class list.

Michaele

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Msg 226

From: stevebu93 <mroz93@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu Jun 3, 2004 4:46pm
Subject: Reading Experience

Just the other day I was reading a copy of Don Webb's "Seven Faces
of Darkness" and a large part of the book is made up of spells from
the papyri graecae magicae. Now I had read through those spells and
others such as "Ancient Coptic Texts of Ritual Power" before but
since I've been taking this course the magical logic or utility of
them seemed to "click" in my mind in a way they didn't before. For
example, one spell to control someone consisted of making a name
paper (to use the hoodoo term) and placing it under a brick to "hold
the person down." For some reason it struck my mind as logical in a
magical sense, and seemed almost like something I would find on the
lucky mojo archive pages. (An idea I just had- could the use of
brick dust in Boss Fix oil be somehow a recollection of such a
trick?). I had a similar experience re-reading the Haskins book
after starting the course, meaning that it seemed liked gobbledygook
the first time I read it about eight years ago. I wonder if this
shows, without meaning to exaggerate, that regarding hoodoo the old
occult axiom holds true, that occult secrets are hidden from us by
our own incomprehension, sort of hidden in plain sight. In any case,
so many of those ancient spells from Egypt seem reminiscent of
hoodoo work that you really wonder if there couldn't be a link. I
know cat adressed this in one of the lessons and didnt mean to get
off topic, just thought it was sort of interesting.

(I am not an academic reasearcher, but i have formed an opinion,
nonetheless, as you did, from reading and comparing on the magic of
various historical and contemporary cultures. As i see it, the links
between hoodoo, ancient Egyptian magic, ancient Semitic magic, and
ancient Mediterranean European magic are quite suggestive of shared
antecendent systems. Sumer and Egypt would seem to be the oldest
source-points. Inclusions of ancient Northern Europoean magical
elements in hoodoo -- elements that are not found in extant African
traditions -- indicate a later stratum of inclusion, presumeably from
the era of slavery and contact with Anglo-Celtic slave-owners. As for
occult information being "hidden in plain sight" until you have a eyes
to see -- yes, indeed; i can testify to that! --cat)

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by MissMichaele » Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:34 pm

This is a forward from the 2004 class list.

Michaele

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Msg 356


From: Bonnie <Blckraven@msn.com>
Date: Sun Jul 11, 2004 5:58am
Subject: Re: - Cajun Healing book


I am having a hard time locating the book "Cajun Healing: Les
Traiteur et Les Traiteuse". I emailed the author but I haven't
recieved a reply. I know that people are busy, especially this time
of year, so I'll give it another week and then I'll try another
approach.

Bonnie Ruiter

(I bought my copy of "Cajun Healing: Les Traiteur et Les Traiteuse" at
Floyd's Nationally Advertised Record Shop in Ville Platte, Louisiana.
You can find them in the telephone directory foir Ville Platte. Call
them and see if they have any copies left. They sell mail order all
over the world. --cat)


Msg 360

From: lapis_siren <lapis_siren@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:57pm
Subject: Re: - Introduction, Cajun Healing book

--- In hrcourse2004@yahoogroups.com, "Bonnie" <Blckraven@m...> wrote:

> I am having a hard time locating the book "Cajun Healing: Les
> Traiteur et Les Traiteuse". I emailed the author but I haven't
> recieved a reply. I know that people are busy, especially this time
> of year, so I'll give it another week and then I'll try another
> approach.
>
> Bonnie Ruiter


You can also buy it directly from the author:

Berk Veillon
10 Montrose Lane
Sharpsberg, GA
30277

I sent him a money order fo about $13 as I remember, best to contact
him about shipping, etc.

-Nagia

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Unread post by MissMichaele » Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:06 pm

This is a forward from the 2004 class list.

Michaele

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Msg 282

From: "=i" <twelve08@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed Jun 9, 2004 12:26 pm
Subject: - Mules & Men

[cat, I decided to send two separate emails, since one is directed to
you and the other to the class]

I just finished reading Mules and Men (by Zora Neale Hurston -
fascinating reading, and I enthusiastically second cat's
recommendation to the rest of the class!), and I'm curious about some
of what I read:

In Part 2, where Zora describes studying under a succession of
two-headed docs, she gives several accounts of elaborate initiation
ceremonies and receiving the "Crown of Power" from her teachers. Was
this peculiar to the New Orleans/Algiers region she was studying in,
some synthesis of hoodoo with American Voodoo (as distinct from
Haitian Vodou), or was it more widespread in general hoodoo practice?
It certainly seemed to be a marked contrast to the much more
church-oriented hoodoo we saw in Lesson 23.

(Ah, you have picked up on one of the two most controversial portions
of that book. Hurtson had travelled in the Caribbean prior to writing
the Journal of American Folk-Lore articles colelcted in Mules and Men
and it is thought that some of what she wrote was not exactly fact in
New Orleans, but transferred there by her novelist's imagination from
the Carinnean. Others say it was all true. The other controversy
regarding Mules and Men surrounds her quoting a man named, i believe,
Luke Turner -- it seems that the entire text she attributes to Mr.
Turner is to be found in a book called "Black and White Magic of Marie
Laveau" written pseudonymously by someone called "Bivins NDP" which
was published by the Crackerjack Drug Store in NOLA about a year or
two before she arrived there. In other words, she seems to have
invented a scene in which she meets someone in NOLA who happens to
speak, word for word, the text of a book that was for sale in NOLA --
and which book she fails to mention at all, even though it would have
been easily obtained at the city's foremost hoodoo drugstore. --cat)

curious,

=Ilya
--- End forwarded message ---

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by panmodal23 » Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:52 pm

From: "=i" <twelve08@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:57 am
Subject: Le Petit Albert??

cat,

Can you tell me who "Le Petit Albert" is and what connection they might have to hoodoo? Someone posted a file to another yahoo group I belong to, "Hoodoo Folklore: from Le Petit Albert." It included a few interesting bits that were more-or-less variations on things you've written about - enough to add some hoodoo credibility -- but then there was a collection of recipes for oils that I swear was straight out of the Slater book (the text did say that they were taken from the Internet, so probably). All in all, it looked like it was cobbled together from several bits. It got me curious, though.

I did a web search for "Le Petit Albert" and found (predictably) a bunch of French websites I can't read, but there were several online texts with titles like "LES SECRETS MERVEILLEUX du PETIT ALBERT" and illustrations of Seals. There were also references to "Le Grande et Le Petit Alberts" but I don't know if they are related.

So, was "Le Petit Albert" a French occult writer, that you know of? Someone who could concievably come to be associated with hoodoo through a 19th century translation (or whatever) of one of his books? My first thought, of course, was Albertus Magnus, but he was "St. Albert the GREAT" (Le Grande Albert?).

Anyway, this may be totally off-topic, but I was curious. (Incidentally, the same person also posted an e-book of the 6th and 7th Books of Moses.)

Thanks!

=Ilya

(Le Petit Albert" is not a who but a what -- any one of several books purporting to have been written by Albertus Magnus (Albert the Great, a German monk of the 12rth century and later a Catholic saint), but not written by him, hence by a "little" (petit) Albert. Scholars also call the authors of these texts, "the spurious Albertus Magnus." Among these books is "Egyptian Secrets of Albertus Magnus" and a number of other so-called "wonder books" popular in the Germanic folk magic traditions, including some material that was originally Jewish or Moorish. These books became popular in America among German immigrants and also had English editions in the 1600s. They entered hoodoo after Emancipation via the Jewish-owned order houses. They are not FROM hoodoo -- they contributed TO hoodoo. In other words, the title of the file you found is backwards and ignorant in its assumptions, to say the least. For more on this subject, see the HITAP pages on other German and Jewish contributions to hoodoo at

Hoodoo History
http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoohistory.html

Pow Wows or the Long Lost Friend
http://www.luckymojo.com/powwows.html

Secrets of the Psalms
http://www.luckymojo.com/secretspsalms.html

There is a lot more to tell on this subject, but i haven't time right now. An upcoming lesson on scriptural magic will touch further on the distribution system whereby such books entered hoodoo. --cat)

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Unread post by nagasiva » Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:25 pm

--- In hrcourse2004@yahoogroups.com, "queenladyt" <queenladyt@y...>
wrote:

Cat,

Do you have any information on Mayan Voodoo?
I understand that it has something to do with underwater gods.

Peace and Love,
Antoinette

(The old Mayan reliion is still practiced by folks in Guatemala -- but
that is not Voodoo. It is just the Mayan religion, with some catholic
overlays on it. There are spirits of the water -- also other spirits,
as with most natural or nature-based religions. --cat)

--- End forwarded message ---

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Mike Rock » Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:42 pm

Cat has the candle drill pamphlet you mentioned been pdf-ified by
anyone to your knowledge? Is it available anywhere known to you?

mike

(If you are speaking of the Mikail Strabo booklets (there are more than one), i do not know them to be online and -- a very important point -- i also do not know them to actually be out of copyright, either. --cat)

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Unread post by Indigo2 » Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:22 pm

hey cat, any plans in the future to turn the online 'Hoodoo in Theory
and Practice' part of the website into a physical book? i'd buy a copy...

(Yes, this will eventually become a physical book. Just give me time! :-) --cat)

also, regarding the Harry M Hyatt books -- i'd so love to own my own
set, but it'll have to wait until i win the lottery or something before
i can afford the antiquarian dealers prices for originals.

(The average antiquarian book store price is $100.00 per volume, not a terribly bad deal for 500 pages of reading per volume. That is what i charge, when i have copies for sale, anyway. I have a set of volumes 3,4, amd 5 in the shop right now, as a matter of fact. --cat)

however, i recall reading someone say once they saw a reprint on amazon.com - this seems unlikely, but do you know if anyone ever published a reprint or
anything?

(The copyright for all of Harry Hyatt's books is vested with UCLA. The books are not in the public domain. A man named Darren Fox, who posts under the name Brother Moloch, at one point offered unauthorized xeroxed copies of one volume for sale for $65.00 per copy through the HyattSpells Yahoo group (hardly worth it, in my opinion, since they were just comb-bound photocopies and the actual printed hardback could be had for $100.00). As far as i know, either UCLA put a stop to his book-piracy and copyright infringement or he decided the project was not worth the hassle. --cat)
.
indigo.

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by ocsana13 » Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:38 pm

> also, regarding the Harry M Hyatt books -- i'd so love to own my own
> set, but it'll have to wait until i win the lottery or something before
> i can afford the antiquarian dealers prices for originals.
>
> (The average antiquarian book store price is $100.00 per volume, not a
> terribly bad deal for 500 pages of reading per volume. That is what i
> charge, when i have copies for sale, anyway. I have a set of volumes 3,4,
> and 5 in the shop right now, as a matter of fact. --cat)

Whoa! Check out what complete sets are listed for on ABE
http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/Sea ... efield.y=0

Lowest is $2250 and highest is $4750!!!!

Christopher Warnock, Esq.
Renaissance Astrology & Astrological Magic
chriswarnock@renaissanceastrology.com
Renaissance Astrology Web Site
http://www.renaissanceastrology.com

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Unread post by Quimbisero » Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:38 pm

Well, apart from the small chance that those copies will ever sell -at
that price anyway, they are noted as being signed by the author.

Eoghan

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher Warnock, Esq."
<chriswarnock@r...> wrote:

> Whoa! Check out what complete sets are listed for on ABE

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Unread post by chriswar7 » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:14 pm

> Well, apart from the small chance
> that those copies will ever sell -at
> that price anyway, they are noted
> as being signed by the author.

Eoghan

Well, the full sets aren't signed! I bow to your superior knowledge,
expertise and wisdom, but I wonder how booksellers stay in business, just
listing books and never selling them.

Christopher Warnock, Esq.
Renaissance Astrology & Astrological Magic
chriswarnock@renaissanceastrology.com
Renaissance Astrology Web Site
http://www.renaissanceastrology.com

(And note that even at $100.00 per copy, nobody has called the shop here to buy the volumes 3, 4, and 5 that i have for sale, although they will probably sell within the next three to six months, if things go like they usually do. --cat)

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Unread post by MadameSamantha » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:30 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Quimbisero" <eballard@s...> wrote:
> >
>
> Well, apart from the small chance that those copies will ever
sell -at
> > that price anyway, they are noted as being signed by the author.
>
> Eoghan

I don't know Eoghan. If I had not purchased a complete set of Hyatt
books from Miss Cat years ago, I would greatly consider paying the
higher price.

I checked with my local library where I use to live and was told
how rare this collection of books are. Not to mention they were in
fact worth a great deal.

The proof is in the pudding Miss Cat is not price gouging for the
Hyatt books. She could be charging a heck of a lot more than she is.
As a matter of fact, Miss Cat could be charging higher prices for
most of her product.

One night during the Lucky Mojo Hour I asked Miss Cat about two
particular Occult/Spiritual suppliers. Not only did she know who
they were but she had personal information about them which only the
proficient sorceress would know. These suppliers in fact charge a
pretty penny for their product. So by no means is Miss Cat ignorant
to that information.

I personaly have thought about asking if I could buy more Hyatt
books. But I have a feeling Miss Cat is the kind of person that
would prefer every one of her students have a chance at these
valuable books.

Spirit's Blessings,
Samantha

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by RedWill0w » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:39 am

> > Well, apart from the small chance
> > that those copies will ever sell -at
> > that price anyway, they are noted
> > as being signed by the author.
>
> Eoghan

I have an inscribed and signed copy of the 1935 edition of FACI. For those
of you who haven't seen Hyatt's signature, he has a rather childish hand,
with high dots on his i's, dramatic H's, and Y's that don't close their lower
loop and look like angular fishhooks. His final two T's are crossed with an
emphatic flourish, yet the middle M seems modest and even shy. Just a lil bit of
Hyatt trivia for y'all!

Dara

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by stevebu93 » Wed Feb 02, 2005 9:34 pm

cat, in your opinion which is the best edition of The Sixth and
Seventh Books [of Moses] for the hoodoo worker? I was searching
the luckymojo site and found a few paragraphs you had written
on the books. I find them interesting but I'm not quite sure
how I would integrate them into my practice. In addition to the
question, since you seem from the site to think well of them, I
wanted to say that if you needed an idea for a book or even a
sort of mini-course they would be a great subject.

(Short answers to some complex questions: If i were you and had the time and money, i would search until i found an older printing of the standard "anonymous" edition of "The Sixth and Seventh Books of Moses" from an antiquarian book dealer because the reproduction of the seals is clearer in copies from the 1940s and earlier. If that is too much trouble, i would go for a more recent printing of the standard "anonymous" edition. I would never under any circumstances get the recent edition compiled by Migene Gonzolez-Wippler. I would, in fact, avoid it and all her other works like the plague. As for how to integrate "The Sixth and Seventh Books of Moses" into your work -- well, the seals simply have a long history of use in hoodoo, where they are generally placed in mojo bags, dressed and carried in a wallet, and so forth. Some people use the blank backs of pre-printed copies of the seals for writing petition papers. You choose the seal according to the condition indicated, of course. By the way, you do not need to buy pre-printed seals separate from the book.You may print your own copies of the seals from the book with a photocopy machine,using red toner and parchment paper. --cat)

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Vikki » Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:25 pm

just thought some of you book worms may be interested.

-vikki

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... eName=WDVW

(Thanks, Vikki. I already placed my bid! This is the 2nd English edition, by the way, and it has been re-bound in what appears to be boards covered by wallpaper. --cat)

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by mnphoenix » Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:43 pm

I read that you can join the HyattSpells list and be able to recieve
a free spell e-mail. Is this different than being on yahoo hrcourse
that I'm a member of? If could you please advise me how to join.

Thanks,

MnPhoenix

("Hoodoo - Conjuration - Witchcraft - Rootwork" (HCWR) is a 5-volume, 4766-page collection of folkloric material gathered by Harry Middleton Hyatt in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia between 1936 and 1940. Supplementary interviews were conducted in Florida in 1970. The "Hoodoo" collection consists of 13,458 separate magic spells and folkloric beliefs, plus lengthy interviews with professional root doctors, conjures, and hoodoos. All but one of Hyatt's 1600 informants were African-Americans. Read more about Harry Hyatt at this HITAP web page:
http://www.luckymojo.com/hyatt.html
and read about the people whom Hyatt interviewed at
http://www.luckymojo.com/hyattinformants.html

(The HyattSpells Yahoo group elist distributes about one spell every day. Our own hrcourse list member Dara Anslowar has been doing most of the transcriptions for the list's members since the originator of the list, Landa, retired from the job. I recommend that all students in the hrcourse list also join the HyattSpells list. There is a link that will allow you to do so in the "Links" section of the hrcourse. The Links section itself can be accessed by clicking on the word "Links" in the box at the upper left of this message. There are many other links to pages of interest, and you may well enjoy checking them out. --cat)

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Deborah » Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:16 pm

Hell-o Fellow Hoodooers<

Just finished listening to an audio book entitled Low Country,by
Anne Rivers Siddons. I was grocery shopping and found some audio
books on sale for two and three dollars. This one sounded
interesting and man was it ever! And for only two dollars! It is by
Harper Publishers. Look for it online at Amazon.com. Maybe you can
get it from them. Lots of references to ancestor veneration and
root work. Also, i walked into another local store, and all these
people were gathered around this table with books that were on sale.
I guess they were having a special because of Black History Month,
because all the books on sale were by black authors, or about black
people. Well, one the books title caught my attention. It is titled
Sapphire's Grave. A real winner also!

Just thought I'd share this with the group, if you're looking for
some good reading (or listening, I listened to the audio book in the
car, so it took about two weeks).


Deborah W

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Unread post by rebeccabordes » Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:16 am

Hello all,

I am new and excited! I have already joined the Hyatt spells group.
I joined it before I starte your course Cat. Pretty interesting. I
would like to own the collection but boy are they expensive. Maybe
one day.

Rebecca

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Tardy » Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:43 pm

Hi everyone,

Not sure if this book has been mentioned here before, but I just ran
across it at my library. It's a history of hoodoo in America, its
origins and development etc. Called "Black Magic : Religion and the
African American Conjuring Tradition" by Yvonne P. Chireau. Publisher: University of Calif. Press, 2003.

Pretty interesting so far.

Garth / Djesi

***************************************
3h sdm n s3
Listening is useful for a son
--Egyptian proverb
***************************************

(Yes, this book has been mentioned. Yvonne Chireau and i corresponded a bit while she was working on it, and i think it is an interesting book and well worth reading. As Eoghan said, some of the conclusions she reaches in the last chapter are not exactly the way i (or he) might see it, but the data is all good and soilid. There is already a link to the book in our group's link lists, in the "Book List" section of the links. If you like the subject of Christo-Conjure, i receommend another book that i have found fascinating and even more to my liking -- "The Spiritual Churches of New Orleans" by Claude Jacobs and Andrew Kaslow. Again, see the "Book List" section of this group's links. The "links" button should be to your left if you are reading this message at the Yahoo Groups web site. --cat)

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by James McClenon » Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:25 pm

Hi!

I'm curious. I read Yvonne Chireau's book very closely and wonder exactly
which elements of her conclusion are thought to be problematic. I speculate
that Eoghan and Cat have a different perspective with regard to the "nature"
of rootlore due to their "hands-on" experience but I am curious what they
would have to say about this.

Chireau argues that African American supernatural traditions "are best
understood within their actual social contexts." She qualifies many of her
statements -- saying things like "Today, persons who employ Conjure may do
so to challenge a system that they believed has mistreated them." and "The
persisence of supernatural traditions in the present day illuminates the
pervasive pragmatism that is characteristic of African American
spirituality." The last sentence of the book: "Whether expressed in Conjure,
Christianity, or both, African American spirituality provides power to its
practitioners in ways that are both highly responsive and profoundly
creative."

I suspect that Eoghan and Cat find these statements to be a bit academic --
they might argue that people are using rootlore because it "works." I
wonder what they have to say about this.

Jim

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Unread post by Quimbisero » Sun May 01, 2005 5:13 pm

Actually, the quotation that you listed is not anything with which I
have problems. Nor is the book "too academic" for me. My issues are
somewhat different. My biggest problem with the book is that she tends
to, in my opinion, shy away from offering examples of current practice
and to situate rootwork, while in a modern context, at something of a
distance. That is, she locates it in the recent past.

This, whether intentional or not, effectively separates the subject
(Hoodoo) from the writer, and by association, the writer's culture. In
short, it is the old "this used to be done" statement, without of
course, actually stating that.

There are a number of other issues that I have with her conclusions,
but that is the issue which I think would be of most interest here.
The rest of them are fairly academic issues and have to do among other
matters, with choices for references and theoretical positions.

Eoghan

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Barbara Griffith » Mon May 16, 2005 2:35 am

I found a copy of "The Night has a Naked Soul" and was struck by the
practices. One thing the author pointed out was the special use of
'ancient tobacco" Nicotiana rustica L. and how they would 'remake'
tobacco by a special process of cultivation and curing. There are also
many poetic spells and other references to botanic materials. Cat, have
you seen this book and if so, do you have an opinion?

(Sorry to say, i have never seen nor heard of this book. --cat)

(BTW the post office said the cookbook reached you back when I sent it).

(YES! It did arrive! And someone in the shop opened the package and threw your name and address out and so it has been sitting by my computer, while i have been lamely trying to figure out who sent it! I feel so foolish -- but THANK YOU, it is a great book. And thanks for speaking up -- i really was puzzling over how to broach the subject of my tardy acknowledgement of the gift. --embarrassed cat)

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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by RedWill0w » Mon May 16, 2005 12:54 pm

In a message dated 5/16/2005 4:37:08 AM Central Standard Time,
Barbara.Griffith@Colorado.edu writes:


> >
> >I found a copy of "The Night has a Naked Soul" and was struck by the
> >practices. One thing the author pointed out was the special use of
> >'ancient tobacco" Nicotiana rustica L. and how they would 'remake'
> >tobacco by a special process of cultivation and curing. There are also
> >many poetic spells and other references to botanic materials. Cat, have
> >you seen this book and if so, do you have an opinion?
>
Not Cat here, but I have this, though I haven't read it for a few years..
For those curious about it, this deals with Cherokee medicine. I thought it
was interesting. BTW, "remaking" tobacco is done not only but cultivation
and curing, but can be done on regular ol' cigarette, pipe or pouch tobacco you
purchase at the store. Tobacco is regarded as the chief of the conjuring
plants and is used extensively in magic and ceremony by the Cherokee (and other NA
tribes). Nicotiana Rusticana packs a big wallop, though.
One of the things I found interesting in this book was the author's
disclaimer on many of the formulas he included (formulas meaning whispered charms,
generally used along with hand gestures as the spirits are being called). He
stated that the formulas have long been sort of de-commissioned so that they
no longer will work. I'm not sure if that's so or if he just altered them
sufficiently to ensure they won't pull what they need to.
Dara


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Re: Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by Barbara Griffith » Wed May 18, 2005 10:09 pm

> I found a copy of "The Night has
> a Naked Soul" and was struck by the
> practices. One thing the author
> pointed out was the special use of
> 'ancient tobacco" Nicotiana rustica L.
> and how they would 'remake'
> tobacco by a special process of
> cultivation and curing. There are also
> many poetic spells and other references
> to botanic materials. Cat, have
> you seen this book and if so, do you
> have an opinion?
>
> (Sorry to say, i have never seen nor heard of this book. --cat)

Since Native American lore figures so heavily in Hoodoo, why don't I
send you that one as well? I'm trying to find homes for a huge
collection of occult books (mostly trivial stuff) as I'm downsizing my
household (empty nest) and would feel good about it being enjoyed by a
real folklorist.

(Barbara, i would be most grateful to receive this gift. From what others said, it is an interesting volume and i would enjoy reading it. --cat)

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