Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by **luckyhoodoo** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:36 am

I skimmed over a copy of "Hoodoo Mysteries" by Ray Malbrough and it's crap...crap...crap. He made it clear that he practices his own version of whatever it is he does plus root-work, but you can only dilute something down so far that after a while nothing pure exists. The only book by him that I like is his "The Magical Power of the Saints". Trust me the only "Mystery" associated with this book is the actual thought processes of the author. Geesh, "Voodoo Charms and Talismans" by Pelton has better Hoodoo material than this crap and even that book is Fake with a capital "F", as in "F- the sucker who buys it".

-Jason (LuckyH.)

Unread post by **shyla_w1** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:09 pm

Don't say I didn't warn you. I returned my copy, pronto!

Unread post by **Quimbisero** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:25 pm

Jason,

I could not have phrased it more eloquently. You have hit the proverbial nail on the head, and hopefully bloodied it's nose while you are at it.

Eoghan

Unread post by **Tanisia Mooney** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:58 pm

My condolences that you had to find out the hard way about Rev. Marlborough. Meaning no disrespect to the man personally, but his other books -- beyond "The Magical Power of the Saints" -- are bad for your hoodoo/rootworking.

Tanisia Mooney

Unread post by **luckyhoodoo** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:59 pm

Here's a link I googled on what looks like a promising book regarding this
subject.

_http://www.southernscribe.com/reviews/children ... y_Lore.htm_
(http://www.southernscribe.com/reviews/c ... y_Lore.htm)

-Jason (LuckyH.)

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Unread post by **Anthony** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:11 am

all I have to say about "Hoodoo Mysteries" by Ray Malbrough is this......just take a look at the reviews on amazon for his "Hoodoo Mysteries," there's like 2 pages of all negative reviews. Ray Malbrough didn't write about hoodoo, he wrote some Wiccan fluff nonsense

Unread post by **Quimbisero** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:36 am

here's a book that a member of my dissertation committee wrote on the
Hag tradition in Canada. You will find it all but virutally identical
to that in the Southern US. This is considered perhaps the most
critical analysis of the Hag tradition written. It is by the way, one
of the very few academic folklore books that has actually earned its
author some real income. It has become, so David tells me, very
popular with the Alien abduction crowd as well.

"The Terror That Comes in the Night: An Experience-Centered Study of
Supernatural Assault Traditions" (Publications of the American
Folklore Society New Series) (Paperback)
by David J. Hufford

Eoghan

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:39 am

Commerical announcement:

This is just a heads-up to class members -- and it will also be posted
to the HyattSpells Yahoo list:

We have a set of Harry Middleton Hyatt's "Hoodoo - Conjuration -
Withcraft - Rootwork" volumes 3, 4, and 5 in the Lucky Mojo shop right
now. These books are in Excellent / Near Mint condition. There is no
volume 1 or 2 in this set -- it is just the "second set" of 3, 4, and
5, sold as a set only.

We also have a copy of the 1935 edition of Hyatt's "Folklore from Adams
County Illinois." It is in Fine condition.

Prices on these books are $100.00 per volume, plus postage and
insurance.

Call the shop if interested, Mon-Sat, 9 am - 5 pm: 707-887-1521.

For more information on the Hyatt books, see
http://www.luckymojo.com/hyatt.html

Cordially,

cat

Unread post by **mississippi17th** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:35 am

If you don't have a copy of these books I would jump at a chance to
pick them up. I try to read about 1/2 hour each day from one of them.
Just think of all the information that would have been lost if not
for Harry Hyatt.

(That's the truth! --cat)

I would give my right kidney for vol. 1 and 2. Anyone
have an extra set let me know.

Also a question about a hoodoo vigil candle I am burning. I light
this candle about 1/2 hour daily. The wick seems shorter and shorter. I
think sometime it is going to out before the candle has burned down.
Should I do anything to the wick, or pour out some of the liquid wax?

thank you,
Dirk

(Dirk, the vigil lights are meant to be burned straight through. Burning them in sections does not work well for them as the wick is too thin and the wax is too soft for off-and-on burning. However, if one of your vigil lights starts to "drown," you can "splint the wick" -- i have described this before, elsewhere, but here it is again:when you buy candles with extra-long wicks, cut the wick down a bit and save the excess waxed wick. If a vigil light starts to drown or even goes out, take your handy altar tool (a nail or screwdriver or awl) asnd drive a hole down parallel and as close to the wick as possible, then insert your wick-splint in the hole. Light BOTH wicks. The extra wick -- which need not be very long -- will carry off the excess wax. This is far, far better than pouring off excess wax. If you don;t have extra wicking for a splint, a paper match or wooden match stick will do in a pinch. After you have burned hundreds of candles, you'll get the hang of how to splint a wick even while the candle is burning, if it hasn;t burned too far down and is threatening to go out. --cat)

Unread post by **Auntie Sindy Todo** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:48 pm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keridwen Luis" <luis@brandeis.edu>

> On Sep 19, 2005, at 6:14 PM, hrcourse@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> > Do you or anyone know where the title of her book comes from?
> >
> > Carla
>
> Hurston writes about this somewhere [...]
> It might even be in the book itself, but my copy has gone walkabout,
> it's not on the shelf where it should be.

Good call Kerey! It is in her book and I just quickly tried to find the
pages; it's in the 2nd chapter. It's one of the first stories and is a great one!

-Sindy

Unread post by **tweetybird448** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:10 am

Hey it's been a long time but coming but the "Root Doctor" dvd is now on line. See no black market stuff. Lol. check it out at www.ourfilmstore.com

(Specifcally, it's at
http://www.ourfilmstore.com/root_doctor/index.html
-- and thanks for the tip! --cat)

Magus Thom Potter · Unread post by **Magus Thom Potter** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:13 pm

/¡As the Cockerel Crows!/

» *Thom says:*~

Thought I would forward this address to the group as it has been on
topic a month or so back:

---------------------------------------------------------------

He Read, She Read: Book Looks At America As The Land Of Oz

By Lucy Bednar

The title of Christine Wicker’s "Not in Kansas Anymore" alludes, of
course, to [etc. ...]

<http://www.dnronline.com/artsandenterta ... She%20Read>_*

[
http://www.dnronline.com/artsandenterta ... She%20Read
]

---------------------------------------------------------------

*Magus Thomas Potter:*
Warlock; Hoodoo Padawan; BronzDragon; First Church of Satan.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:11 pm

Hi, all,

I just wanted to let y'all know that today we received 40 AUTOGRAPHED
copies of "Not in Kansas Anymore" by HRCourse student (and friend)
Christine Wicker. There are the hardcover first printing. I have put up
a web site for the book at

http://www.luckymojo.com/notinkansas.html

with a link to order from the Lucky Mojo Books page at

http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatbooks.html#folklore

-- and, for those who are interested in the book but don't want to buy
it sight unseen, i am happy to announce that siva is working on an
INDEX to it (there is no index in the book itself) and this is
available for free (you can print it out and put it in your copy of the
book, if you wish to) at

http:www.luckymojo.com/notkansas

So far he has only gotten through page 184 (out of 272 pages), but he
will continue until he finishes it, and it will be updated regularly
until it is complete.

cat yronwode

Unread post by **Auntie Sindy Todo** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:44 pm

----- Original Message -----
From: "catherine yronwode" <cat@luckymojo.com>
To: <hrcourse@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:11 PM
Subject: [hrc] Chrstine Wicker: "Not in Kansas" Signed Books Available from
LMCCo.

> Hi, all,
>
> I just wanted to let y'all know that today we received 40 AUTOGRAPHED
> copies of "Not in Kansas Anymore" by HRCourse student (and friend)
> Christine Wicker. There are the hardcover first printing. I have put up
> a web site for the book at
>
> http://www.luckymojo.com/notinkansas.html
>
> with a link to order from the Lucky Mojo Books page at
>
> http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatbooks.html#folklore
>
> -- and, for those who are interested in the book but don't want to buy
> it sight unseen, i am happy to announce that siva is working on an
> INDEX to it (there is no index in the book itself) and this is
> available for free (you can print it out and put it in your copy of
> the book, if you wish to) at
>
> http:www.luckymojo.com/notkansas
>
> So far he has only gotten through page 184 (out of 272 pages), but he
> will continue until he finishes it, and it will be updated regularly
> until it is complete.
>
> cat yronwode

Wow, can I just say that you two are
amazing! What a great thing you're
doing, Siva, I'm just amazed at what
patience you must have doing that index.
Whew...I'm exhausted just looking at
it and God knows I'd be downing some
serious wine to tackle that job! Thanks
to you both for all the hard, but sweet
work. You are dear friends to Christine
and again another Blessing to us.

What would we do without you!

xxx, Sindy

(I think siva is incredible too. He loves
to do this kind of dedicated work, and he
is good at it, too. --cat)

Unread post by **Quimbisero** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:22 pm

This title is not at all off topic, because, although it relates toJamaican practices, it will amaze and delight all to see just how close those are to Hoodoo understandings of Herbs and to Hoodoo practices. I recommend anyone give this book a read. And Cat, if you can get ahold of it, I think you will love it.

Payne-Jackson, Arvilla, Alleyne, Mervyn C.
Jamaican Folk Medicine: A Source of Healing.
Kingston, Jamaica: University of the West Indies Press, 2004.

Eoghan

(Thanks for the book recommendation. --cat)

Karen Kohoutek · Unread post by **Karen Kohoutek** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:07 am

(I came across "Voodoo Tales as Told Among the Negroes of the Southwest, Collected from Original Sources" by Mary Alicia Owen (Putnam, 1893). lance m foster)

Thanks for passing this one along! It seems like I shouldn't need any more books, but then, I always need more books. It's bad for my pocketbook, but wonderful in general when people share their sources, so a general thanks to everyone who's mentioned what they're reading.

On that note, is anyone familiar with a library or archive that collects hoodoo material? I know some universities, such as UCLA, have special collections relating to folklore that have some relevant material. But I'm especially curious to know if anyone has personal experience with any libraries or archives of hoodoo, where they were and what you thought of the quality of the collection. (I'm going to be starting library school in the fall, and obviously this an area of interest for me).

(I know of no library with extensive holdings on hoodoo. Some material will be found in liraries on Afican American culture (but those will tend to if==gnore Native American herbology or European American contributions to 20th century urban hoodoo). Some will also be found in folklore collections -- but, again, the 20th century material will tend to be thin in such collections. That's why i started the Southern Spirits site -- to present a batch of 19th and 20th century magazine and newspaper articles in one place for scholars to easily access. I am hoping for further help from volunteer transcribers -- i have dozens more untranscribed articles in my collection. --cat)

Also, to the person who was asking about red brick dust a week or so ago (sorry, I don't have the citation handy), keep your eyes open around red brick buildings. I think last summer I asked for advice on busting up red bricks, and within a week I came across some red brick pieces on the sidewalk that had chipped off an old red brick office building. I don't know if it's from the years of weathering or what, but they broke up into dust really easily. I've found some more pieces around other old buildings here.

Thanks,
Karen Joan Kohoutek
velvetflamingo@yahoo.com

Unread post by **AnkleBells** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:56 pm

Cat, I am wondering if you and anyone else on this e-list can direct me to some good books on a particular subject. I need a refresher course in a particular area of thought and work. I need a "refresher course"on how the spirit world works and how it is different in different cultures / countries and includes different forces, energies, thought forms and how this all connects to folklore and folk magic and how it all started.

I want to know of some good books which would be a good refresher and/or some good books to start with. There are so many books out there...so I thought I would give it a try...

Carla

(This is a good question and i wish i had a good reply, but i do not. Past the level of undergraduate "cultural studies" or anthropology courses that seek attempt to present students with an idea of the varieties of cultural understanding on common topics (of which spiritual conepts would be one topic), academic studies tend to treat the spirit world concepts of each culture separately, without making cross-culural comparisons. The Jungian belief in a cross-cultural "collective unconscious" has no academic backing to speak of in anthropological circles and is seen these days as more of a system of thought than a cultural survey. Popular and non-academic books on the subject of multi- and cross-cyultural mores often downplay spiritual, religious, mystical, and magical social paradigms, focussing instead on visual iconography, foodways, festivals, and other aspects of material culture. Books from within the spiritist and spiritualist communities tend to emphasize only the beliefs of the culture or sub-culture from which they arise, although a few authors, such as Martin Coleman (in "Communicating with the Spirits" published by Weiser) do present beliefs and practices from more than one culture. So, as far as i know, the best education you can get on this subject is through collecting several dozen books -- one per culture that interests you -- and reading each book as if it were a chapter in a larger, possibly not-yet-written world survey of spirit bleifs and practices. Areas to read about would be Africa (beliefs are not uniform throughout the continent, but most African cultures practice ancestor veneration and spirit embodiment ("trance possession")), Native America (again, not uniform from tribe to tribe, but many practice taboos against contact with the spirits of the dead), Asia (especially Chinese Han culture in which there is a an organized beirarchy of underworld / afterlife officials and a lively spirit world), pre-Christian and Christian Europe (the Cewlts are a deep cuture for this topic as are all Catholic cultures), 19th century and descendent Spiritualism in America (e.g. the Spiritual Church Movement, Allen Kardec, the Blackhawk Churches, the book "Paschal Beverly Randolph" by John Patrick Deveney, the book "Lily Dale" by Christine Wicker, etc.). Eoghan, Jeffrey, or any of our other academics in the list -- do you have a bibliography of books about spirit communication and / or how the spirit world is conceived in various cultures -- or, better, is there a single book that gives an overview of the major trends in spiritualistic belief and practice worldwide -- something along the line of the Alan Dundes "Casebook" survey for undergraduate students on evil eye beliefs worldwide? --cat)

Unread post by **baho1973** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:17 pm

Karen Kohoutek <velvetflamingo@y...> wrote:>

> > is anyone familiar with a library or archive that
> collects hoodoo material?

Dear Karen,

University and City libraries generally have hoodoo related
material but it is not usually organised as such. At my old
University, Native American herbology, African-American folklore,
and Pennsylvania dutch folklore could all be found, and there were little snippets of hoodoo related material to be found.

If you have a copy of Cat's HHRM book check the bibliography and run the authors / titles through the local library search engines and see what subject headings come up, follow up any leads this might bring and maybe you will surpise us all!

Happy Hoodoo Hunting...

baho1973

Unread post by **Quimbisero** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:07 pm

I would recommend looking at the work of Edith Turner. Many familiar
with anthropology will know of the team of Victor and Edith Turner.
Since the death of Victor, Edith has taken center stage in a number of
ways, coming out from "under the shadow" of her famous husband. I
doubt their relationship was anything other than 50-50, as she was
always a strong personality and extremely intelligent.

Anyway, she is the spearhead and leader of a movement within
anthropology known as the anthropology of consciousness. For starters,
I'd recommend the titles

1992 - Experiencing Ritual: A New Interpretation of African Healing.
Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press.

2005 - Among the Healers: Stories of Spiritual and Ritual Healing
around the World. Leading book in new series, Religion, Health, and
Healing. New York: Praeger.

Her writing is devoid of the usual newage nonsense and yet is also
free of disbelief. It also has the advantage of being well written and
thoroughly documented.

Eoghan

Unread post by **Lance M Foster** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:37 pm

As far as Native American books to serve as a wide introduction to spiritual and
religious views, I highly recommend "The Sacred: Ways of Knowledge, Sources of Life",
by Peggy Beck, Anna Lee Walters, and Nia Francisco (Navajo Community College
1992). If you get one book for an overview to Native American spirituality, that's the
one to start with. Be careful of the way too many New Age books. My two cents-

Lance

Unread post by **AnkleBells** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:47 am

Thank You Eoghan for your book recommendations...Carla

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Unread post by **AnkleBells** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:47 am

Thank You Cat and Lance for your input on books...I am keeping the list for future reference. Carla

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Unread post by **rootwork** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:12 pm

I just wanted to let you all know that my book, Conjure in African
American Society, finally officially came out last month. Many thanks
to those who showed interest and/or offered encouragement!

(Yes! You can order it directly from Jeff, and we are carrying signed copies in the shop as well. See
http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatbooks.html#folklore
and
http://www.luckymojo.com/conjureinsociety.html
--cat)

Unread post by **ocsana13** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:47 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "hoodoodoctor3" <jeffnlynn@e...> wrote:
> >
> I just wanted to let you all know that my book, Conjure in African
> American Society, finally officially came out last month. Many thanks
> to those who showed interest and/or offered encouragement!
>

Congratulations Jeff

May you sell over a million copies!

Happy Hoodooing!
Dr. Kioni

Christos Kioni, Ph.D., F.R.C.
Metaphysical Consultant/Spiritual Practitioner
Download My Free Toolbar - DrKioni.com

Unread post by **Rebecca** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:49 pm

>I just wanted to let you all know that my book, Conjure in >African
>American Society, finally officially came out last month. >Many thanks
>to those who showed interest and/or offered encouragement!

>(Yes! You can order it directly from Jeff, and we are >carrying signed copies in the shop as well. See
>http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatbooks.html#folklore
>and
>http://www.luckymojo.com/conjureinsociety.html
>--cat)

Congrats!!!! How wonderful for you!

Rebecca

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Unread post by **Quimbisero** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:41 pm

I look forward to reading it. Jeff, did we meet at AFS at one point? Your photo on the LSU site
looks familiar.

Eoghan

Unread post by **rootwork** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:08 am

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Quimbisero" <quimbisa@i...> wrote:
> >
> I look forward to reading it. Jeff, did we meet at AFS at one
point? Your photo on the LSU site
> > looks familiar.
>
> Eoghan
>
We did. It was in 2003, I think.

Unread post by **Quimbisero** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:31 pm

The faces I never forget. That was one of the more memorable panels I have attended at AFS.
I enjoyed it immensely. I didn't realize you were on the list here. Good to be reacquainted. I
look forward to reading your book, as well!

Eoghan

Unread post by **rootwork** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:54 pm

I'm glad you enjoyed the panel and hope that you do indeed enjoy the
book!

Jeff

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Quimbisero" <quimbisa@i...> wrote:
>
> The faces I never forget. That was one of the more memorable panels
I have attended at AFS.
> I enjoyed it immensely. I didn't realize you were on the list here.
Good to be reacquainted. I
> look forward to reading your book, as well!
>
> Eoghan
>

Unread post by **geminirisingangelsfalling** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:33 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "hoodoodoctor3" <jeffnlynn@e...> wrote:
> >
> I just wanted to let you all know that my book, Conjure in African
> American Society, finally officially came out last month. Many
thanks
> > to those who showed interest and/or offered encouragement!

Jeff,

Congrats! I attend LSU and have it checked out from our library right
now! I was so excited to get my hot little hands on it and look forward
to adding it to my personal hoodoo library.

Best,

Jamey

Johnalynn Jackson · Unread post by **Johnalynn Jackson** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:14 am

hoodoodoctor3 <jeffnlynn@earthlink.net> wrote:

> > Dear all,
>
> Anybody who might be interested in
> ordering a copy of Conjure in
> African American Society from LSU
> can do so by calling 800-861-3477
> to place an order using a VISA or
> MasterCard.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jeff Anderson

Hi are you from Baton Rouge, La ?

Unread post by **rootwork** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:16 am

--- "geminirisingangelsfalling" <cocodiva1@h...> wrote:
> >
> "hoodoodoctor3" <jeffnlynn@e...> wrote:
> >
> > I just wanted to let you all know that my book, Conjure in
> > African American Society, finally officially came out last month.

>
> Congrats! I attend LSU and have it checked out from our library
> right now! I was so excited to get my hot little hands on it and look
> forward to adding it to my personal hoodoo library.

Jamey,

I hope you enjoy it. If so, I am always thankful for positive
Amazon.com reviews!

Jeff

Unread post by **rootwork** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:12 am

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, Johnalynn Jackson <jmjack9584@y...>
wrote:

> > Hi are you from Baton Rouge, La ?

Actually, no. Right now I'm living in Cochran, Georgia, but I grew up
in Fayette, Alabama. Georgia, though, as Cat has mentioned, is a good
place to research hoodoo. In fact, there are many shops around,
including some old ones like Lucky Starr, not too far from where I
live.

Jeff

Unread post by **Auntie Sindy Todo** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:25 pm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gina Karicas" <efiaje@earthlink.net>
To: <hrcourse@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:56 AM
Subject: [hrc] (Bibliomancy) I am in distress and needing suggestions

> My dear friends.
>
> I got a whammy today.

(Entire long, long post aagain snipped by cat, this time even shorter, because i am losing time here... Folks, please cut lengthy posts down to the relevant portion to which you are replying and leave sufficient text for readers to recall the post. See Lesson Zero. Thanks. --cat)

Darlin' Gina, I just sat down this morning at my computer and read this
moving letter from you...bless your heart, this must have been so
frightening for your children. As Cat replied, Gabriel (who is one of my
personal guides) is truly right beside you to help. Just talk with him like
you would a friend and he will bring peace and closure for you and your
children. I pulled a card for you just now and it is this: "Archangel
Raphael says, Give all your cares and worries to us angels, and allow us to
take your burdens." So there you go, give it over. Remember, You are all
free. I will include a petition for you in my meditations and on my alter.

Blessings- Sindy

wyldchyldclan · Unread post by **wyldchyldclan** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:22 pm

I am working on increasing my reference books for hoodoo, and I would
like to get some recoomendations. Cat, I already plan to inter-lbrary loan some of the older ones that you list in the HITAP Bibliography.

(Do you men the bibliography at southern-spirits.com? --cat)

Besides Mules and Men, are there any other writings of Zora Neale Hurston that y'all would recommend?

(Aside from some WPA work, "Mules and men" is the only one of hers that is specifically about conjure. --cat)

Dr. Kioni, I am ready to do your prosperity spell
after finding a first edition Mules and Men <sigh>.

(Lucky you found one! --cat)

Oh btw, I am in the Houston TX area - anyone else in Texas? Mike, aren't you in Austin? I go there a lot, with 2 kids going to school there (however, I don't go when the cedar is blooming; I have enough problems with allergies.)

Thanks in advance,

Barbara

Unread post by **Gina Karicas** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:58 pm

(First, Gina, thank you for sharing this powerful example of Bibliomancy with us.

*************

thank you Cat. Serendipity does show itself. I had ordered some supplies from you and they arrived yesterday; and there were the herbs needed for this candle work you suggested.

Everything does fall into place if one allows it.
I truly appreciate the thoughts and suggestions. I had not known what to do. It's funny how one can freeze at a time like this.

Love,
Gina

Cill Dara - shift 17
Cill Magnoolia - shift 11
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Unread post by **Gina Karicas** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:00 pm

Give all your cares and worries to us angels, and allow us to
take your burdens." So there you go, give it over. Remember, You are all
free. I will include a petition for you in my meditations and on my alter.

Blessings- Sindy

****************

thank you cindy.
I appreciate this. And yes, I will bring in the angels.

Love,
Gina

Cill Dara - shift 17
Cill Magnoolia - shift 11
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:44 pm

Okay, i still have a bunch of posts to reply to, but t's time for me to
go back to typesetting and revising the course book.

Oh, that's right. I told ya'll that i was happy enough with it to just
run the typeset 256 page version from 2005 in book form, reformatted to
fit 380 or so pages.

Well, that turned out not true. It's going to run almost 450 pages
now. I am adding about one page per lesson.

Trust me, it's better this way.

Slower, but better.

And yes, i am still shooting for a MArch shipping date.

cat

Unread post by **Read_G** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:13 pm

In a message dated 1/24/2006 1:44:46 A.M. Central Standard Time,
cat@luckymojo.com writes:

> > Okay, i still have a bunch of posts to reply to, but t's time for me > to go back to typesetting and revising the course book.
>
> Oh, that's right. I told ya'll that i was happy enough with it to just
> run the typeset 256 page version from 2005 in book form,
> reformatted to fit 380 or so pages.
>
> Well, that turned out not true. It's going to run almost 450
> pages now. I am adding about one page per lesson.
>
> Trust me, it's better this way.
>
> Slower, but better.
>
> And yes, i am still shooting for a March shipping date.
>
> cat

How do I put my order in for the book?

Read

(People who have already taken the course will be offered the book at a reduced price, but since i don't have a printing quote yet, i have not set that price. Stay tuned -- i'll announce it both here and on the Lucky Mojo web site. --cat)

Unread post by **natstein** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:13 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "catherine yronwode" <cat@l...>
wrote:
> >
> Okay, i still have a bunch of posts to reply to, but t's time for
me to
> > go back to typesetting and revising the course book.
>
> Oh, that's right. I told ya'll that i was happy enough with it to
just
> > run the typeset 256 page version from 2005 in book form,
reformatted to
> > fit 380 or so pages.
>
> Well, that turned out not true. It's going to run almost 450
pages
> > now. I am adding about one page per lesson.
>
> Trust me, it's better this way.
>
> Slower, but better.
>
> And yes, i am still shooting for a MArch shipping date.
>
>
> cat
>
You are Awsome Cat ... Cant wait to get taht book !!

Nathen

Unread post by **Auntie Sindy Todo** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:18 pm

Well, I finished Jeff's book this morning and just have to tell all of
you what a great piece of work this is! My book has about 50 sticky
tabs in it, marking great tidbits of information for future reference.
Any student who is seriously studying hoodoo should own this book. It
is brilliantly laid out, has a fabulous bibliography and notes and
clearly defines all that Cat teaches and preaches regarding the
differences in hoodoo, voodoo and all other religions as well. I was so
impressed with how deeply Jeff studied conjure and then transcribed all
his research into this jammed packed little book. Also, I was so proud
to see that our teacher,(Miss Cat) is quoted and referenced thoughout!
It just tickled me to death to see her credited with so much
information. I am collecting a nice library of books regarding hoodoo
and this book will clearly be one I will constantly go to for true
validation in my work. Bless you Jeff for this great tool and
Congratulations...you nailed it! x- Sindy

Unread post by **Jon Hughett** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:34 am

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "catherine yronwode" <cat@l...>
wrote:
> >
> Okay, i still have a bunch of posts to reply to, but t's time for
me to
> > go back to typesetting and revising the course book.
>
> Oh, that's right. I told ya'll that i was happy enough with it to
just
> > run the typeset 256 page version from 2005 in book form,
reformatted to
> > fit 380 or so pages.
>
> Well, that turned out not true. It's going to run almost 450 pages
> now. I am adding about one page per lesson.
>
> Trust me, it's better this way.
>
> Slower, but better.
>
> And yes, i am still shooting for a MArch shipping date.
>
>
> cat
>
Hi Cat!
late congrats on turning the lessons into a book. will it be
available to everyone or only to students of yours?
I hope, I hope, I hope when you put it out you will have cool old
DeLaurence style art on the cover. Those great old books really
looked like magic books, regardless of what he stuck in between the
covers.

Jon

(Alas, the cost of gilded cover art like that is a bit beyond my range, but the new book will match the binding of the "Hoodoo Herb and Root Magic" cover -- with a different colour scheme. It will only be sold to students, and each copy will be inscribed and will contain the person's Student ID#. --cat)

Unread post by **Quimbisero** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:43 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Sindy Todo" <sindytodomojo@y...> wrote:
> >
> Well, I finished Jeff's book this morning and just have to tell all of
> you what a great piece of work this is! My book has about 50 sticky
> tabs in it, marking great tidbits of information for future reference.
> Any student who is seriously studying hoodoo should own this book. It
> is brilliantly laid out, has a fabulous bibliography and notes and
> clearly defines all that Cat teaches and preaches regarding the
> differences in hoodoo, voodoo and all other religions as well. I was so
> impressed with how deeply Jeff studied conjure and then transcribed all
> his research into this jammed packed little book. Also, I was so proud
> to see that our teacher,(Miss Cat) is quoted and referenced thoughout!
> It just tickled me to death to see her credited with so much
> information. I am collecting a nice library of books regarding hoodoo
> and this book will clearly be one I will constantly go to for true
> validation in my work. Bless you Jeff for this great tool and
> Congratulations...you nailed it! x- Sindy
>

I adhere to the school of thought that if an academic researcher (or
any other kind) does not present his subject in a manner that allows
those he writes about to recognize themselves and their practices in
what has been written, they have gotten it wrong. It sounds like Jeff
has most certainly gotten it "right."

I haven't had the chance yet to read it, but it is on my list and will
join my library as soon as time allows.

Eoghan

Unread post by **Lance M Foster** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:48 pm

Hi Cat

When I signed up for this course, I went ahead and ordered both books (the one published
and the one upcoming). I wasn't sure if they were going to send the one already published so
I could get started studying (or both together later on) but I haven't yet received it. Anyway,
just as well if that is the case, as if it is possible I would like to upgrade from the paperback
to the hardcover, added charge no problem. When you said the two bindings match, that was
too much temptation!

Thanks! Lance

Unread post by **leeazorra** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:49 pm

Not meaning to be a pest about it but I was in class 1-student 38.Do
we know how much the book will be and can we pay now and be put on a
ship list? I am soo afraid that I will miss a post about it.Thanks Lee

(Hi, Lee -- don;t worry, you won't miss anything. You can pre-order the book now if you wish. Just call the shop (707-887-1521) and order it. The price is $104.00 plus shipping and tax (the tax is for CA residents only). --cat)

Unread post by **mountain_ash78** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:17 pm

I recently found an online version of "Mules and Men"

You can find here:

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MA01/Grand- ... index.html

Jason

Unread post by **Quimbisero** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:29 pm

It should be noted before everyone rushes to read it that the online
version contains a significant quantity of typographical errors. While
it has some merit as a quick reference, it is still worth it to invest
in a hard copy.

Eoghan

(Yes, this particualr e-text is not up to the usual standards of folks like those who run the Gutenburg Project or the regular e-text Library at the University of Virginia. It looks like a school project by a student that was scanned and uploaded without editing. Raw scanning typically results in a 2 - 4 % error rate of misread characters, depending on the type face and clarity of printing. I'd say this one is at the 4 % plus error rate level. Still, it is a quick reference, like you said, Eoghan. --cat)

Unread post by **darkmother11** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:03 am

The photos reminded me of my childhood. My mother had me wear a dime with a
hole nailed in it around my neck as a kid- like on an anklet in one of the
photos. Also, I remember my great grandmother dipping snuff like just like one
of the women in the photos. The Hoodoo box was like a miniature version of
our attic which was filled with gallon jars of oils with letters to spirit
folded in them and roots brewing in them. My mother used purple velvet mojo bags
though....I guess she liked adding a little flair heheh. She thought of purple
as a color of mastery....and they thought of themselves as masters (not just
your run of the mill mages)She also carried her wooden wand burn etched with
hieroglyphs of sorts from the Hagar's (FatherHurley.com) My grandmother had
the thick, big fat Master's wand as she taught the classes. The wands though
wooden were dark reddish brown and glossy not from varnish but from working
them constantly with oil. They were also stored in purple velvet bag tubes
and worn about one's waist under clothing.

I remember the 2 getting upset with a little boy once who was a bad kid in
the neighborhood he had kicked our new car for some reason. I remember my
grandmother pointing her finger at him and telling him that he would never use
that foot again. They dashed inside and started working with dog shit in big
jars. hahahah He got hit by a car right in front of our house (which was a
gothic style red brick church) within a week nearly dying and walked with a limp
from then on. Reading what I just wrote, it sounds like fiction, but every
word of it is true.

There are so many stories I can tell you from my childhood and they all are
magical.
Enough for now
sanchez

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Unread post by **darkmother11** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:24 pm

quimbisa@inquiceweb.com writes:

> > Call me grumpy, but I'll take a rumba or
> a jig anyday over disco, and a real title
> over anything published by Llewellyn. It's
> just like I prefer Guinness to Bud light.
> If I want light weight I'll read DC comics,
> at least the artwork is good. Besides,
> someone has got to say it.
>
> Eoghan

Well what Hoodoo material do you think of as heavy weight?
I have not seen much out there at all: Ray Malbrough, James Haskins, Tayannah Lee McQuillar, Faith Mitchell, or Luisah Teish ?

sanchez

(I am not Eoghan, but of the above list that you name, i would recommend Jim Haskins. Again, and i say this often, i believe you will get some far better material to check out if you read the hoodoo bibliography at
http://www.southern-spirits.com/hoodoo- ... raphy.html
-- the works of writers like Zora Neale Hurston, Jeff Anderson (who is a member of this group!), Carolyn Long, "Bivens, N. D. P," Henri Gamache, Newbell Niles Puckett, and Harry Hyatt are all either in print or, in the case of Hyatt, available in the form of excerpted downloads at the HyattSpells Yahoo group. --cat)

Unread post by **Quimbisero** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:47 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, psanc11@... wrote:

> > Well what Hoodoo material do you think of as heavy weight?
> I have not seen much out there at all: Ray Malbrough, James
Haskins, Tayannah Lee McQuillar, Faith Mitchell, or Luisah Teish ?
> >
> sanchez
>
> (I am not Eoghan, but of the above list that you name, i would
recommend Jim Haskins. Again, and i say this often, i believe you will
get some far better material to check out if you read the hoodoo
bibliography at
> > http://www.southern-spirits.com/hoodoo- ... raphy.html
> -- the works of writers like Zora Neale Hurston, Jeff Anderson (who
is a member of this group!), Carolyn Long, "Bivens, N. D. P," Henri
Gamache, Newbell Niles Puckett, and Harry Hyatt are all either in
print or, in the case of Hyatt, available in the form of excerpted
downloads at the HyattSpells Yahoo group. --cat)
> >

It occurs to me that a couple of decades of pulp occultism may have
dulled the sensibilities of a lot of people. Perhaps it would be more
accurate to say, given that the number of people signing on to courses
like Cat's shows that there is an appreciation of informed practice,
that pulp occult "classics" and the presence of megastores have taught
people to not only expect instant access but to settle for what is
offered through those channels.

I always urge people to take extra time and really hunt for what they
are seeking. There are wonderful used bookstores out there and for all
of the efforts by the neocons to cut intelligent thought off at the
knees, we still have an extensive network of libraries nationwide,
connected by internet based databases. Many can order rarer titles on
loan from at least elsewhere in your own state. I assume that if you
don't mind that the FBI will want to know that you took out Bunnicula
for your five year old, you also took out some of Chesnutt's books for
yourself. Book hunting is far more exciting than big game hunting and
without the physical risk. You can start with Cat's suggested
bibliography. We have no better source and Cat is very generous with
her knowledge!

Eoghan

Unread post by **baho1973** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:36 pm

I found a copy of Arthur A. Lewis' Hex- concerning a murder in 1928 as well his perception of the role of powwow in Pennsylvania society. What struck me is the level of fear that people had of magic among themselves and the way that they refused to acknowledge it in public. It is an interesting issue. I would be interested if others have read the book and their opinion of it.

(I have not read that book, but it is the basis for the excellent movie "Apprentice to Murder" with Donald Sutherland, which i recommend very, very highly. It is available on dvd and i hope that many of my students check it out. --cat)

sincerely,

Unread post by **Rebecca** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:38 am

I got Arthur A. Lewis' Hex on dvd and really enjoyed it.

Rebecca

Unread post by **Jon Hughett** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:38 pm

Hi,
Glad to see someone else interested in Powwow magic. I think 'Hex' is a
pretty good book. The dvd Cat refrenced, 'Apprentice to Murder can
usually be had for about five dollars including shipping on Ebay. You
can find a little more on the web about Powwow magic by searching the
term Bracher or Braucherei on Google. That will help keep you from
being deluged by Native American sites. If you enjoyed 'Hex' you might
also like 'Strange Experience:The autobiography of a hexenmeister" by
Lee R Gandee. It is a bit eclectic at times but interesting in the
authors thought processes. It's probably the only autobiography of a
Powwow practitioner you're liable to come across. It's out of print
also.

Jon

Unread post by **Ebiaz DAir** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:29 pm

(I have deleted a portion of this message that was a repeat of previously posted message 8113 by same poster --cat)

do you know if anyone is systematically trying to index the hayatt books in printed form?

(Index? yes. In print? No. UCLA has threatened to sue anyone who would do that. I myself have been thretened several times with lawsuits by UCLA, and the most recent one was merely for my writing a page listing Hytt's informants by name at

http://www.luckymojo.com/hyattinformants.html

--cat)

man, that'd be one heck of a challenge.

(An html interlinked database correcting Hyatt's transcription errors and providing alterbnative spellings is the best way to approach it, in my opinion. --cat)

it was my understanding that at one point, one

of his descendants was working on this.

(His nephew has never told me of this, but i suspect that even he would be barred by UCLA from printing any work produced along these lines, as UCLA claims complete and total copyright ownership to the material without respect to any of Mr. Hyatt's family members. --cat)

david scott

Unread post by **Yolaine** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:54 pm

Do you have any of the Hyatt's HCWR in stock? I would like to purchase them

You may respond to me personally.

Blessings,

Yolaine

(I'm answering here, because people ask all the time. Right now we have two copies of Folklore from Adams County by Harry Hyatt in stock. These are the original 1935 edition, like new with presentation bookmarks from Hyatt. These books are $100.00 each. We have no copies of HCWR in stock at this time. Usually when we get HCWR volumes in, i post here, but we had such a long waiting list last time (in January-Febriary), that i never did post because they sold out. In order to get on the waiting lsit (which holds you to no obligation to buy), just phone the shop at 707-887-1521 and ask to be put on the Hyatt waiting list. Someone will take your name, address, telephone number, and email. If / when we get copies, we telephone everyone in order of the date they got put on the list. If the books don't sell after the first round of phone calls, we then email everyone. If they still don't sell, i post the information. If a person has been telephoned and emailed twice and has failed to buy, they get removed from the list and others move to the top. They can sign up to be on the waiting list again, any time they wish. --cat)

Unread post by **AnkleBells** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:56 pm

I use Elderberry and Mint mixed together in a tea with honey. You can make it according to your taste but I usually put in a tablespoon of each and steep it for at least 20 minutes and it works for me like a cold medicine and if I take it at night, it puts me to sleep. I made an elderberry extract using apple cider vinegar. The other day I woke up with a terrible bug of some kind and had two cups of it that day mixed with honey and the bug went away. I also made some "Four Thieves Vinegar" from a recipe I saw on Cat's website (?). It is made from Apple cider vinegar, red peppers, black pepper, yellow mustard and garlic cloves and I take it everyday as soon as I feel a bug coming on. Cat sells Four Thieves Vinegar too. Sometimes I take as much as 6 teaspoons of it a day when I have a bug of some kind. I am not an herb expert but I assume it is okay to take that much when sick. I find all this stuff helps cold and bugs of different kinds...Carla

Susan Leybourne · Unread post by **Susan Leybourne** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:10 pm

Dear Group,
I rarely get colds, it must have been 7 years since I had one, until
last October. I had gone on a week long course, that was very
expensive.On the second day I came down with the most awful head and
chest cold.
All through every session that day, all you could hear was me hacking,
snuffling, sneezing and grunting. I felt awful, looked a mess and was
probably spoiling others fun too, until a German lady gave me something
..... Gelo myrtle forte, it cleared it up in 3 hours. Amazing stuff!
All the best
Susan Leybourne
--
Susan Leybourne
www.witch1.demon.co.uk

Unread post by **Yolaine** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:52 pm

>>>>>(I'm answering here, because people ask all the time. Right now we have
two copies of Folklore from Adams County by Harry Hyatt in stock. These are
the original 1935 edition, like new with presentation bookmarks from Hyatt.
These books are $100.00 each. We have no copies of HCWR in stock at this
time. Usually when we get HCWR volumes in, i post here, but we had such a
long waiting list last time (in January-Febriary), that i never did post
because they sold out. In order to get on the waiting lsit (which holds you
to no obligation to buy), just phone the shop at 707-887-1521 and ask to be
put on the Hyatt waiting list. Someone will take your name, address,
telephone number, and email. If / when we get copies, we telephone everyone
in order of the date they got put on the list. If the books don't sell after
the first round of phone calls, we then email everyone. If they still don't
sell, i post the information. If a person has been telephoned and emailed
twice and has failed to buy, they get removed from the list and others move
to the top. They can sign up to be on the waiting list again, any time they
wish. --cat)>>>>>

Would you believe I found a copy of Folklore from Adams County for $35?? I
snapped it right up!

Thank you, Cat! I'll call the store in the morning.

Hugs,
Yolaine

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Unread post by **AnkleBells** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:53 pm

I have a question for anyone out there who might know the answer. It may have some connection to Hoodoo...I don't know... Most of us know about the medical benefits of Green Tea but does anyone know anything about the medical benefits of green coffee?...

Years ago, it appeared in a dream to me telling me that it was helpful to prevent cancer but it was at the time everyone was just starting to talk about green tea here on the east coast. I have not found out much about it except that it is a powerful antioxidant. I have found it sold on the Internet in capsules but it has all this other junk in it. It would be good to find it in capsules without all the additives.

Carla

Unread post by **Auntie Sindy Todo** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:40 pm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony" <anthony.tamsing@gmail.com>
To: <hrcourse@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:23 PM
Subject: [hrc] Re: colds and books

> --- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "baho1973" <wadjet@...> wrote:
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> > How do people do work to maintain their health? On Tuesday I
> came
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> > down with a wicked head cold which has got into all my sinuses and
> I
>
> Heres one that may sound a bit harsh to some, but it works.
>
Speaking of harsh! When we got a cold and croup my momma gave us this sludge
she would grind up all together with
this really old mortar and pestle she got from my grandma in Louisiana.
Anyway, she NEVER took us to a doctor, but instead would make all this "home
medicine". Still always tells us to do these things. Honey, Lemon and (I'm
sorry) Aspirin. You'll sweat it out! Also, always make a toddy: Water,
Lemon, Honey, shot of Whiskey, drink it as hot as you can stand it, done
deal. That apple cider vinegar remedy works also. This was a fun
string!-Sindy
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