Hoodoo Bibliography and Book Suggestions for African American Folk Magic

Unread post by **Ferne** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:37 pm

SINDY TODO <todojs@msn.com> wrote: >Speaking of harsh! When we got a cold and croup my momma gave us this sludge
she would grind up all together with
this really old mortar and pestle she got from my grandma in Louisiana.
Anyway, she NEVER took us to a doctor, but instead would make all this "home
medicine". Still always tells us to do these things. Honey, Lemon and (I'm
sorry) Aspirin. You'll sweat it out! Also, always make a toddy: Water,
Lemon, Honey, shot of Whiskey, drink it as hot as you can stand it, done
deal. That apple cider vinegar remedy works also. This was a fun
string!-Sindy

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My Grandmother would slather me with Vicks so thickly that people within a city block range would weep! GAK! I think I got better just to keep from being so pungent and humiliated!

I'll go along with you on the toddy, too, Sindy.

Blessings,
Ferne

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Unread post by **Honeybeelight** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:38 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "SINDY TODO" <todojs@...> wrote:> > Heres one that
may sound a bit harsh to some, but it works.
> > >
> Speaking of harsh! When we got a cold and croup my momma gave us this sludge
> she would grind up all together with
> this really old mortar and pestle she got from my grandma in Louisiana.
> Anyway, she NEVER took us to a doctor, but instead would make all this "home
> medicine". Still always tells us to do these things. Honey, Lemon and (I'm
> sorry) Aspirin. You'll sweat it out! Also, always make a toddy: Water,
> Lemon, Honey, shot of Whiskey, drink it as hot as you can stand it, done
> deal.

That's the standard treatment in England, too, they sell something like this over the
counter. Around here, they sell something called Airborne which has echinacea in it and
has headed off more colds for me than I can count.

I used to always get sick at the end of every academic term. You get run down and
students come up bearing gifts of their own germs and you're lucky if you don't get mono.
Finally one of my students who had been watching this for almost a year said "Dr. A, do
you take vitamins?" She was right about that and it fixed the problem up, just a plain
multi-vitamin.

Also, for you Peter Rabbit fans out there, chamomile tea really is good for you.

Melissa (don't forget the chicken soup and trashy novels)

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:38 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" <anthony.tamsing@...>
recommended:

> > Heres one that may sound a bit harsh to some, but it works.
>
> Warm water in a mug.
> Sea Salt, just a couple tsp's.
>
> Dissolve well and gargle, and if your brave, because this will burn
> a little. Inhale a bit of the water. Right up your nose...lol... I
> know gross.

If you wish to clear your sinuses and quell a runny nose, it needn't
be this salty. In fact, it doesn't have to be any saltier than sea
water - or a liberally salted soup. In my experience, this level of
salt is actually a little easier on the sinuses than plain water. I
don't have a neti pot, as someone else recommended, but I use a
teaspoon for the nose trick.

ObHoodoo: why not pray over the salt as you sprinkle it into the water?

Michaele / Mother Pyrite

Unread post by **Lee Canipe** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:31 pm

In a message dated 4/1/2006 5:38:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
redjasper@comcast.net writes:

> >>Heres one that may sound a bit harsh to some<<

Here's one from my maternal grandmother: a spoonful of sugar and kerosene
for congestion. I've never tried that myself-- and never would-- but my mom
got it a lot.

Lee
Ama, et fac quod vis

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Unread post by **Yolaine** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:35 pm

I just had to let you know that while doing an Internet search for Hyatt's
HCWR books, I found the complete set for $9900!!! Can you imagine?! Do
they honestly think someone would pay that?

Thank you, Cat, for your very reasonable rates!

Blessings,
Yolaine

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Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:20 am

I am now on the LAST stages of proofreading and correcting the
typesetting for the course book (which, since it will be 432 pages long
and hard-bound in dark red cloth, i am already calling "The Big Red
Brick") and siva is writing and typesetting the index. By Wednesday it
must be OUT THE DOOR to the printer.

Again, i apologize to all who signed up on my assurance that it would
be shipping in March. It will ship in May. It will be worth the wait, i
believe.

Sleepily, but having dealt with all the bullets and hanging indents at
last,

cat

Unread post by **Yolaine** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:56 am

>>I am now on the LAST stages of proofreading and correcting the
typesetting for the course book (which, since it will be 432 pages long
and hard-bound in dark red cloth, i am already calling "The Big Red
Brick") and siva is writing and typesetting the index. By Wednesday it
must be OUT THE DOOR to the printer.

Again, i apologize to all who signed up on my assurance that it would
be shipping in March. It will ship in May. It will be worth the wait, i
believe.>>>

cat>>

Woo Hoo!!

Thank you, Cat for all of your hard work in the midst of all you have been
going through. I know it will have been worth the wait!

Blessings,
Yolaine

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Unread post by **Mary Collyridian** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:01 am

<< I fond a copy of Arthur A. Lewis' Hex- concerning a murder in 1928

as well his perception of the role of powwow in Pennsylvania society.

What struck me is the level of fear that people had of magic among

themselves and the way that they refused to acknowledge it in public.

It is an interesting issue. I would be interested if others have read

the book and their opinion of it.

(I have not read that book, but it is the basis for the excellent movie
"Apprentice to Murder" with Donald Sutherland, which i recommend very,
very highly. It is available on dvd and i hope that many of my students
check it out. --cat)>>

I've not been writing since I won't be able to delve into the class notes I got in January until school is out in the summer. But I had to answer this one. I"ve just found a copy of the book as well (in our school library) and have not read it yet. But part of my family is Pennsylvania Dutch and I heard a lot about the book as a child. Mostly I heard that I was never but never to tell where our family was from for fear people would think we were backward and superstitious! Another part of the family was Appalachian and they said the same thing! Blessings to all, Francis

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Unread post by **Tobor Experiment** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:45 pm

> I am now on the LAST stages of proofreading and correcting the
> typesetting for the course book (which, since it will be 432 pages
> long
> and hard-bound in dark red cloth, i am already calling "The Big Red
> Brick") and siva is writing and typesetting the index. By Wednesday it
> must be OUT THE DOOR to the printer.
>
> Again, i apologize to all who signed up on my assurance that it would
> be shipping in March. It will ship in May. It will be worth the
> wait, i
> believe.
>
> Sleepily, but having dealt with all the bullets and hanging indents at
> last,
>
> cat

WOW! Cat this sounds very good! Worth the wait!

Giorgio

Unread post by **Aaron** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:46 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "catherine yronwode" <cat@...> wrote:
> >
> since it will be 432 pages long
> and hard-bound in dark red cloth, i am already calling "The Big Red
> Brick") and siva is writing and typesetting the index.>
> cat
>

Beautiful! This sounds like it will prove an invaluable addition to
any library and be a strikingly handsome work as well. Here is a
preliminary "Thank you, Cat." Thank you for the painstaking efforts
and continuing to work around all the other personal matters and
responsibilities that sometimes seem to pile up on us all.
Oh and for the update!
Aaron

Unread post by **Katherine Zimmerman Piehl** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:53 pm

>>Again, i apologize to all who signed up on my assurance that it would
be shipping in March. It will ship in May. It will be worth the wait, i
believe.>>>

Cat- I am so excited to hear this! I have no doubt that it will be well
worth the wait.

Thank you for the opportunity to learn from you.

-Katherine

(You're welcome. Today we sent the bindery samples off to the printer. Dark brick-red and black. -- we are working pretty much non-stop now, sending out for caffeinated beverages. The house and the office are collapsingly chaotic. Wednesday loometh... --cah)

Unread post by **Honeybeelight** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:57 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "catherine yronwode" <cat@...> wrote:
> >
> I am now on the LAST stages of proofreading and correcting the
> typesetting for the course book (which, since it will be 432 pages long
> and hard-bound in dark red cloth, i am already calling "The Big Red
> Brick") and siva is writing and typesetting the index. By Wednesday it
> must be OUT THE DOOR to the printer.
>
> Again, i apologize to all who signed up on my assurance that it would
> be shipping in March. It will ship in May. It will be worth the wait, i
> believe.
>
> Sleepily, but having dealt with all the bullets and hanging indents at
> last,
>
> cat

Yikes! Somehow i missed the signup for this, and I thought I was looking for it, too! Is it
too late?

It sounds like it's going to be a GREAT book.

Melissa

(I will be announcing it all over the world as soon as i finish. Special low price to studenets who took the email or paper versions, even lower price to former course graduates (the "spiffy certificate" people who turned in all eight homeowkr assignments). A free copy to each person whose questions i used in the Q&A portion. Details later. Stay tuned. --cat)

Unread post by **Regina Navickas** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:57 pm

March. May. At least you had the "M" part of the month right! ; - ) What's important is that you're in the last stages! I try to look at stuff like this as the Universe making me remember the importance of "going with the flow". But that's what I think, and what the heck do I know? : - ))))

Peace Everyone!

Regina

(You're so lenient! Thanks. --cat)

Unread post by **ocsana13** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:08 pm

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Ferne <ferne13@sbcglobal.net>
> > baho1973 <wadjet@hotmail.com> wrote: >General Question:
> How do people do work to maintain their health? On Tuesday I came down with a
> wicked head cold which has got into all my sinuses and I feel terrible- pain
> sore throat etc. While this is not a medical list-
> I have that aspect covered- I would be interested to hear how people approach
> this - we all get colds.
>
> >(I use all of the usual hrbal teas for my health... but i think i am a pretty
> healthy person, aside from my migraines, which are genetic and no too amenable
> to any herbal treatment except coffee. (Side note: for some people caffeine is a
> migraine trigger, for others it is a palliative -- and i fall into the latter
> group.) For the really bad migraines i use triptan drugs in addition to the
> coffee. When i feel my health problems arise bcause i am under spiritual attack
> i burn white candles. But, as i said, i am generally pretty healthy, so perhaps
> others can speak with greater depth on this subject than i can. --cat)
>
> >Also:I fond a copy of Arthur A. Lewis' Hex- concerning a murder in 1928 as
> well his perception of the role of powwow in Pennsylvania society. What struck
> me is the level of fear that people had of magic among themselves and the way
> that they refused to acknowledge it in public.
>
> It is an interesting issue. I would be interested if others have read the book
> and their opinion of it.
>
> >(I have not read that book, but it is the basis for the excellent movie
> "Apprentice to Murder" with Donald Sutherland, which i recommend very, very
> highly. It is available on dvd and i hope that many of my students check it out.
> --cat)
>
> ------------
> Baho,
>
> A good and easy (and old as the hills) remedy for colds and sore throats is
> apple cider vinegar and honey. Mix about a 1/4 cup of apple cider vinegar with a
> tablespoon of honey...or a bit more to taste...and swig it down. Three times a
> day if you can. It must be apple cider vinegar, though. Not any other.
>
> I find that I'm more prone to infections if my system is too alkaline. Perhaps
> the vinegar helps to establish some balance there. And honey is a natural
> anti-biotic.
>
> Feel better soon!
> Blessings,
> Ferne
>

Baho,

Another good thing for colds is echinacea (? Spelling). This is sold at herb stores, Wal-Mart, etc. and comes in fairly good quality. I've found that taking the recommended dosage will not cure the cold but it definitely will make the symptoms easier to deal with.

Lots of Luck, Gail

Unread post by **baho1973** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:08 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, Mary Collyridian <collyridian@...>
wrote:
> >
> << I fond a copy of Arthur A. Lewis' Hex- concerning a murder in
1928
> >
> as well his perception of the role of powwow in Pennsylvania
society.
> >
> What struck me is the level of fear that people had of magic among
>
> themselves and the way that they refused to acknowledge it in
public.
> >
> It is an interesting issue. I would be interested if others have
read
> >
> the book and their opinion of it.
>
>
>
> (I have not read that book, but it is the basis for the excellent
movie
> > "Apprentice to Murder" with Donald Sutherland, which i recommend
very,
> > very highly. It is available on dvd and i hope that many of my
students
> > check it out. --cat)>>
>
> I've not been writing since I won't be able to delve into the
class notes I got in January until school is out in the summer. But
I had to answer this one. I"ve just found a copy of the book as
well (in our school library) and have not read it yet. But part of
my family is Pennsylvania Dutch and I heard a lot about the book as
a child. Mostly I heard that I was never but never to tell where
our family was from for fear people would think we were backward and
superstitious! Another part of the family was Appalachian and they
said the same thing! Blessings to all, Francis
> >
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC
and save big.
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
As a martimer, I have similiar problems- people assume that because
you are from a certain area and hold certain beliefs it makes you
ignorant etc. Certainly it is easier to conceal your origins than
put up with ignorant nonsense. However, by achieving and using all
aspects of your heritage it is also possible to combat ignorance.
sincerely,
Baho1973

Unread post by **Anthony** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:08 am

It will ship in May. It will be worth the wait, i believe.
> >
> Sleepily, but having dealt with all the bullets and hanging indents
at
> > last,
>
> cat
>

Cat,

I just KNOW this is going to be so worth the wait!

Excitedly,
Tony

Unread post by **Holly Greenwood** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:44 am

>>How do people do work to maintain their health? On Tuesday I came down
with a wicked head cold.<<

<<When we got a cold and croup my momma gave us this sludge she would grind
up all together . . . .Honey, Lemon and (I'm
sorry) Aspirin.>>

Old thread, new info: Over-the-counter anti-inflammatories can trigger
asthmatic responses in some already predisposed to asthma. This includes
aspirin, acetaminophen, and ibuprofen. There's no known means of
predetermining whether one will have such a response. I recently did and
was ill for days.

Holly Greenwood

Unread post by **PJVJ** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:06 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Holly Greenwood"
<hollygreenwood@...> wrote:
> >
> >>How do people do work to maintain their health? On Tuesday I came down
> with a wicked head cold.<<
>
> <<When we got a cold and croup my momma gave us this sludge she
would grind
> > up all together . . . .Honey, Lemon and (I'm
> sorry) Aspirin.>>
>
> Old thread, new info: Over-the-counter anti-inflammatories can trigger
> asthmatic responses in some already predisposed to asthma. This
includes
> > aspirin, acetaminophen, and ibuprofen. There's no known means of
> predetermining whether one will have such a response. I recently
did and
> > was ill for days.
>
> Holly Greenwood
======================================

Just as a side note - though acetaminophen can cause reactions (though
I've not seen asthmatic responses listed for it) it is not an
anti-inflammatory like aspirin and ibuprofen. Just an FYI.

Unread post by **Holly Greenwood** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:37 pm

My apologies for not replying in context: I accidentally deleted a response from
someone who was more careful with the medical info than I. I conflated the
info re: asthmatic responses to ibuprofen and aspirin, which are
anti-inflammatories, and are warned against because of new research released
via the Internet on WebMD and other medical sites. When I reported this to
my physician, she told me that there is some evidence that some asthmatics
also react to acetaminophen. The point remains: use cautiously.

Holly Greenwood

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Unread post by **Mike Rock** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:40 pm

I hope cat let's this through even though it is hopelessly off-topic

-- I thought I would mention this here because Siva especially might

be interested due to the subject matter, but a piece of my writing

appears in a book that is about to be available for purchase from

Carnivalia.com.

It's WITCH EYE: Selections From The Feri Uprising Volume I.

Word has it that it will be selling for like $19 and change.

My piece is titled The Light Bringer and is a somewhat longish piece

about the God of Witchcraft known as The Devil. It's something of a

Luciferian paean and was originally inspired by Jack Parsons' essay

"The Witchcraft."

Headings in the 18 page piece are:

Introduction

The God of Light: A Brief Poetic History

The Fallen Star (deals with some fascinating astronomy)

Luciferian Iconography

The "AWASBNAWAS" Principle

Lucifer, Warrior Drag Queen Of The Gods

I guess it could be a small book in itself lol

Anyway.. in retrospect I wonder if I should have used a pseudonym but

it certainly is too late for that now....

But Siva if you are interested the whole thing is worth having but if

all you want to read is my essay I can arrange that.

The book is not available to the public just yet but folks can check

Carnivalia to see when it appears.

Gosh and maybe someday I will actually get PAID for a piece of

writing.

What a concept! Christine and Cat and Judika you all

have my respect and envy for doing what you do!

ciao

mike

--

http://www.mike-rock.com

(Congratulations, Mike!. --cat)

Unread post by **Mariel** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:37 pm

Does anyone know about Papa Jims and his book series and supplies? Is
this the same as hoodoo? Please enlighten me......

(Papa Jim (who briefly went out of business in 2002 but now seems to be BACK), works in a syncretic blend of hoodoo, brujeria, santeria, and witchcraft. He is a root doctor, card reader, and cichlid fish raiser. Here are some things i hve written about him in usenet:

http://tinyurl.com/n3vnz
http://tinyurl.com/m9kxf

--cat)

Unread post by **Raven Nightmyst** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:20 pm

----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa
To: hrcourse@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: [hrc] Papa jim Books

Does anyone know about Papa Jims and his book series and supplies?
Is
this the same as hoodoo? Please enlighten me......

(Papa Jim (who briefly went out of business in 2002 but now seems to
be BACK), works in a syncretic blend of hoodoo, brujeria, santeria,
and witchcraft. He is a root doctor, card reader, and cichlid fish
raiser. Here are some things i hve written about him in usenet:

http://tinyurl.com/n3vnz
http://tinyurl.com/m9kxf

--cat)

~*~*~*~*~*~*~

This is from the "About Us" page at Papa Jim's site.

THE HISTORY OF PAPA JIM'S BOTANICA In 1979, Papa Jim, who was a
famous card reader and healer, couldn't get the products that the
"spirits" told him to give to his customers so they could do their
jobs. So, Papa Jim decided to open a retail store and catalog company
to furnish the world with the products they needed. History will tell
of the greatness of the person known as Papa Jim. Papa Jim wrote five
books. In 2001, Papa Jim decided to retire so he gave the business to
one of his employees. Enrique worked for Papa Jim for 12 years
learning all the aspects of the business. Enrique has done an
excellent job trying to run the business. Most of Papa Jim's employees
stayed with Enrique. Papa Jim comes to the store about every other
day.

Kate

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Unread post by **Yolaine** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:55 pm

>>>
(The printer has promised to have copies to us by Friday, May 5th; we will
begin mailing copies out the next Monday, after the May 6th party here at
the shop. --cat)
> >>>>>

Yeah!!! I can't wait!

Hugs,
Yolaine

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Unread post by **blkchristopher** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:02 pm

Hey Cat!

I wasn't certain if it was appropriate to post this message here, but my Family and I are in
serious financial trouble and I need advice quickly.

I was injured on a job and can not work, I'm being denied worker's comp by the typically
apathetic insurance company. I have a good lawyer involved but it will still be months
before any money comes in. In the mean time, our bills are all long overdue. The landlord
continues to drop hints that we'd be happier somewhere else, even making semi-veiled
threats about eviction.

I apologise for the sob story, I need everyone to understand that I wouldn't be considering
this course of action if the situation weren't desperate.

I purchased a complete set of Hyatt books from Cat years ago.
They are in mint condition, I've guarded them like treasure!

I really don't want to do this, but I have no choice but to put them up for sale.
I'm considering e-bay, does anyone have any advice or know anyone who would give them
a good home?

Cat, once again I wasn't certain if it was appropriate to post this message.
If it isn't, I would appreciate it if you would not post it and if you would e-mail me any
suggestions you might have.

Thanks!

Chris Brown

(I don't mind your posting. They are worth a lot of money, but a lot of folks are willing to pay, too -- and will contact you OFF-LIST, i hope. Good luck. --cat)

Unread post by **baho1973** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:44 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "blkchristopher"
<blackchristopher@...> wrote:
> >
> Hey Cat!
>
> I wasn't certain if it was appropriate to post this message here,
but my Family and I are in
> > serious financial trouble and I need advice quickly.
>
> I was injured on a job and can not work, I'm being denied worker's
comp by the typically
> > apathetic insurance company. I have a good lawyer involved but it
will still be months
> > before any money comes in. In the mean time, our bills are all
long overdue. The landlord
> > continues to drop hints that we'd be happier somewhere else, even
making semi-veiled
> > threats about eviction.
>
> I apologise for the sob story, I need everyone to understand that
I wouldn't be considering
> > this course of action if the situation weren't desperate.
>
> I purchased a complete set of Hyatt books from Cat years ago.
> They are in mint condition, I've guarded them like treasure!
>
> I really don't want to do this, but I have no choice but to put
them up for sale.
> > I'm considering e-bay, does anyone have any advice or know anyone
who would give them
> > a good home?
>
> Cat, once again I wasn't certain if it was appropriate to post
this message.
> > If it isn't, I would appreciate it if you would not post it and if
you would e-mail me any
> > suggestions you might have.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Chris Brown
>
> (I don't mind your posting. They are worth a lot of money, but a
lot of folks are willing to pay, too -- and will contact you OFF-
LIST, i hope. Good luck. --cat)
> >
Dear Chris,
I am sorry to hear that things are bad for you. Selling
possessions is certainly one solution. Hopefully your hoodoo will
help you as well- in selling the books and in all your other affairs,
May your difficulties resolve swiftly,
Baho1973

Unread post by **Auntie Sindy Todo** » Thu May 11, 2006 6:36 pm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ferne" <ferne13@sbcglobal.net>
To: <hrcourse@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: [hrc] Archieve of Old Photos of Root Doctors

(Hi, Ferne -- the link is a permanent fixture in the hrcourse links list at
our Yahoo Groups web site, but here it is again, as given there:

Hoodoo History: Newbell Niles Puckett Photo Collection
92 photos from the collection of the author of "Folk Beliefs of the Southern
Negro" (1926); includes names for conjures not named in the book, plus more.
http://cplorg.cdmhost.com/cdm4/browse.p ... p4014coll9

--cat)

Hey Cat, when I was there I forgot to look closely in the book about which
foot to put our strung dimes on. Me and Siva were chatting about this. Is it
your writing hand foot for "receiving" good luck and the opposite foot for
protection? I know this is documented somewhere and these pictures indicated
a right and left. Can you clear this up for me. I'm totally confused, you
know, with my left hand thing I just can't get it straight...-sindy

(Not everybody sets those kinds of rules -- left versus right. Somefolks prefer "dominant" versus "other" (most people tend to step out with one foot, just like they tend to write with one hand.) The dime on the man's ankle in Puckett's book is on his left foot. --cat)

Unread post by **Quimbisero** » Mon May 22, 2006 2:18 am

By chance I came across this site this morning. I think if everyone is not already aware of it, most will find it quite useful. It is a digitized collection of rare books on botany, including identification. medical uses, and lore.

Botanicus
http://www.botanicus.org/

Eoghan

(Thanks, Eoghan, That's a great resource. --cat)

Unread post by **Auntie Sindy Todo** » Wed May 31, 2006 7:05 pm

----- Original Message -----
From: <Leecanipe@aol.com>
To: <hrcourse@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:19 PM
Subject: [hrc] HRC Book

> My copy of the new HRC book arrived today... it is absolutely gorgeous!
> And
> the format is wonderful. Flipping through I was able to spot some of the
> new info which is exciting. The email lessons were great, but the new
> book is
> a gem! Excellent, excellent work Cat.
>
> Lee
>
> (Thanks. --cat)
>
Hey Cat...I've just had a huge email crash and lost all my saved messages.
Really a bummer, but that aside, I have glanced through the book and
wondered which specific lessons were expanded on? Or is it just throughout
the book? Thanks- Sindy

(When i dumped the raw type into the book format, each lesson filled 7 pages. To make each lesson 8 pages long, about 1/8 longer than it was, i added new material. Sometimes i expanded on extant topics or gave more examples of things i was explaining; sometimes i added new topics comprising entirely new material. Basically, the book contains 52 more pages of material (one page for each lesson) than it would have had if the earlier versions had been printed out in the same format. --cat)

Unread post by **ocsana13** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:34 pm

Hey Cat,

Thanks so much for the direction on where to find something to help my friend with slander. Sorry, I've been away for awhile. Had some kind of summer cold type crud and my friend moved this weekend and had to lend her a hand. I also received my book, it's beautiful, fascinating, full of the greatest stuff I've ever read and rings so true!!!! ( Unlike other spell books I've bought that are so fluffy they turn my stomach) Needless to say, Amazon will have some more fluffy witch books to buy soon since I'm getting rid of mine to free up space on my book shelf for some of the recommended reading you offer in the book. Again, thanks so much for making all this knowledge available!!!

Gail Mansel # 730

(You're welcome, Gail. I'm glad you like the book. --cat)

Unread post by **nonamortica** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:53 pm

First off, my book arrived and it is beautiful.

Second, I had a conversation with my mother and sister last weekend
which I think may have had hoodooish overtones in terms of family
lore, but I am not sure and would like to know if this rings a bell
with anyone.

My sister was talking about how her cloths will get caught up on
doorknobs, or other little delaying obstructive things will happen
that don't seem to have rhyme or reason. I have experienced this,
they seem to come in clusters and they are annoying.

My sister said, "I think it's those heecheeds." Well I had never
heard of these heecheeds before, so I asked for an explaination.

According to my mother, heecheeds are little critters that hide
under the bed and grab or bite your ankles. Her reccollection is
that her father used fear of the heecheeds to keep the kids from
getting up out of bed at night.

Now here's the story:

My mom was in Oklahoma visiting one of her sisters. She was sleeping
and was dreaming. SOMETHING went running past her in her dream and
she reached out both arms and lunged trying to catch it, and fell
out of bed onto the floor, KNOCKING OVER THE GLASS OF WATER THAT WAS
BY THE SIDE OF THE BED. (One more piece of family practice I did not
realize was folk magic) Her sister said "that was those heecheeds
that made you fall out of bed."

Anyone ever heard of these things or anything similar?

This is my Native American/Black Dutch side of the family.

(Nope, i have never heard of heecheeds. --cat)

There is also a recitation that I learned as a child, cannot
remember it now but my grandfather taught his kids.

it starts:

"Hire Mirire jumped in the fire
fire so hot he jumped in the pot
pot so black he jumped in a crack
crack so wide ...

and that is when I forget.

(I learned it like this, as a jump-rope rhyme:

Aunty Mariah jumped in the fire
Fire so hot, she jumped in a pot
Pot so black, she jumped in a crack
Crack so high, she jumped to the sky
Sky so blue, she jumped in a shoe
Shoe so red, she jumped in bed
Bed so white, she stayed all night
And how many bedbugs did she see?
1,2,3,4,5,6,7 ...

--cat)

My mom is taking a trip in August to see
her remaining 3 siblings and they are going to record some of the
family history/lore. I promised to transcribe it when she gets home.

This grandfather was a Church of God minister, and very strict. It
would be interesting to see that some folk magic had survived in
spite of that.

Nona

(I love it when people atrt documenting their family traditions. Best of all is when they put it on the web... --cat)

Unread post by **Ebiaz DAir** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:10 pm

who has time to post!
i've been devouring the book.
excellent job cat.
and well worth the wait.

david scott

(I'm happy to know you like it. --cat)

whirlygirl521 · Unread post by **whirlygirl521** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:37 pm

The book is a treasure!

The content is invaluable and is well organized for concept flow and
easy information search. The layout, typesetting, and binding are just
beautiful.

Thank you.

Cynthia

(Thanks, Cynthia, and thanks for contributing to the Q and A section of the book. --cat)

Unread post by **ronnie2u2002** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:27 pm

Hi Cat: I received my book today and I love the way you put so much
time and effort in getting it published. You are one of the most
amazing woman I ever come across!! I can see clearly that you put
great effort into anything you set your mind on. I can say we
certainly get our money's worth by taking this course. I wonder how
you do it. Cat, you are the greatest!!!!! God Bless you. Thanks a
lot.

Love always,

Veronica

(Thanks, Veronica. Publishing books is something i have been involved with since 1961, when i helped my mother with a cookbook she wrote and published. I did the rather amateurish hand lettered calligraphy for each recipe's title. (I was only 14 years old, and i've improved my hnd since then, but my mother seemed to like it well enough at the time.) I've been a writer since 1965 and a typesetter since 1976. I've been a writer, typesetter, graphic designer, artist, letterer, editor, editor-in-chief, production designer, production supervisor, or chief bottle washer on a combined total of about 2,000 books, comic books, and magazines by now, maybe more. Anyway, i'm really glad you like the book. --cat)

Unread post by **MedhaDevi** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:24 pm

... Thank you so very much - just got the hardback book and am totally
blown away by your hard work and committment to bringing Hoodoo to
everyone in "plain English".

You ARE da best Cat!

Thanks from the bottom of my heart,
Jesse

(Thanks for your contribution of material t the Q and A portion of the course. --cat)

P.S. How's the "Adam & Eve" plant I sent you doing? Out of 4 plants of
mine, only 1 has survived and looking awesome!

(Alas, it succumbed to Unidentified Flying Death. I have never had success with orchids, and this one proved no exception. I'm glad you have one growing -- orchids are notoriously difficult, of course, so congratulations. --cat)

l7hair · Unread post by **l7hair** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:35 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Jesse" <Jesse920@...> wrote:
> >
> P.S. How's the "Adam & Eve" plant I sent you doing? Out of 4 plants
> of mine, only 1 has survived and looking awesome!

>
> (Alas, it succumbed to Unidentified Flying Death. I have never had
> success with orchids, and this one proved no exception. I'm glad you
> have one growing -- orchids are notoriously difficult, of course, so
> congratulations. --cat)

It is my understanding that the same type of orchid is used for both
lucky hand roots and Adam & Eve roots. In which case, when one digs up
the orchid, does one look at the root and say, "Oh, this looks like a
lucky hand root" or "These look like Adam & Eve roots"? I am also told
that Adam & Eve roots are matched, so they are even more rare than
just being the root of a particular orchid. Is that correct? Thanks in
advance for the clarification.

Laura

(Actually, there are several species that qualify as Lucky Hand or Adam and Eve, but only ONE species that qualifies as Adam and Eve. Here's why: The Adam ad Eve Orchid grows a little bulb and then the next year, a second litle bulb on a thread-root. Have you ever dug potatoes and seen them connected like that? -- it's the same, but they are little, and only two of them. During the couse of the year, the old bulb shrivels and the new bulb grows -- so the shrivelled one, which is hollowed out, is the female, and the one with the pointy growing tip is the male. If you dig them then, you kill the plant completely. Wait a third year and a third little baby bulb will start, or maybe a couple of them. Until you have more than the two bulbs on the plant, well, you can't dig them without killing the plant. If there are three, you take the two biggest and replant the third. As for Lucky Hand -- well, there are a lot of species of Orchid with palmate (hand-shaped) roots -- and you pretty much can take your choice. Back in the day, many suppliers graded the immature palmate-rooted Orchid bulbs -- those without "fingrs" on them -- as Adam and Eve, leading folks to think the two species are identical. They are all closely related, but the true Adam and Eve never grows "fingers" while only the immature Lucky Hand has NO fingers. --cat)

Unread post by **Tobor Experiment** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:56 am

the book has arrived today! I'm so gratefull and happy!!!!

best

Giorgio

(Great. I always worry about the ones we send overseas. Glad you like it --cat)

Unread post by **Quimbisero** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:36 pm

The first of these is merely of human interest, but one which I would

hope all members of this list would be interested in reading. It is

about the celebration of Loving Day in Washington DC. Loving day

refers to the court case Loving vs. Virginia in which the last of the

laws against interracial marriage in the US were struck down. For some

of us this is an important day to celebrate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01716.html

The second article is actually very much on topic. There is an article

in today's Post (6/13/06) which details a 31 year long communication

between a man and his deceased father through dreams. I have a mixed

reaction concerning his claims that he believes the experience to be a

creation of his own mind. My suspicion is that that is a fiction he

feels necessary to create for public consumption. His description of

the subject does not sound like the words of someone who is a

disbeliever.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01103.html

Enjoy,

Eoghan

Unread post by **rasashastra** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:32 pm

Dear Cat, Nagasiva, Carin, and everyone at Lucky Mojo:

My complimentary copy of the Course Book arrived this weekend.
Thank you all so much for sending a copy.

I just want to comment quickly on this book.

When Carin sent a postcard to me, asking that I confirm my addressmto receive the book, I was quite pleased, and had only expected something modest, perhaps comb bound, and home printed.

Instead, upon opening the carefully wrapped book, I was amazed to find an incredibly beautiful hardbound edition, having an "antique" look, inscribed, and clearly with a lot of work, thought, and love put into its production.

Cat and All...you have truly outdone yourselves with this book, bymcreating in it, a work of art, a legacy, a wonderful gift, amcommunity, and of course, most importantly, a Hoodoo archive that will long outlive all of us.

With that, I must see you all of for now...as I need to find a place to relocate to in Orlando by July 7th, as I'm slated to begin Oriental medical school there quite soon. Lots more packing to do, and overcoming various rental obstacles (renters don't want low income folks these days, much less vagabond students with bad credit!). Been working with St. Expedite to help out, so say an additional "quick" prayer for me if you get a chance.

Thanks again for the book!

God bless, and best wishes.

Francis Mercuri
(Florida)

(Francis, thanks for the kind words about the book. You are right about the "antique" look -- my parents ran an antiquarian book store when i was a child and i wanted to reproduce the presentation of gravity and mass i used to find in old 19th and early 20th century occult course books published by folks like Paschal Beverly Randolph, the AMORC, and L.W. De Laurence. My two books -- HHRM and HRCC -- come in matching hardcover cloth bindings, differing only by cloth colour (although HHRM is also available in mass market paperback), and subsequent books in the series will also come in the same matching binding. I expect that if i live long enough, eventually one of my former students will pass, and i will walk into an antiquarian bookstore and find a group of the entire series offered for sale. That's kinda the pay-off for me when i typeset and publish books -- to see them years later in their "natural habitat," a dimly lit antiquarian book store. Good luck on your move. May Saint Expedite bless your venture! --cat)

Unread post by **Quimbisero** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:20 pm

Here's a link that should be of interest to most people here:

http://www.diaspora.uiuc.edu/newsletter.html

(Thanks, Eoghan. Folks, there's an article on the Adams-Kilty House hoodoo cache in the newsletter archives at this site. --cat)

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:19 pm

Hey, Michaele --

I am glad that the mention of the Hans A. Baer book interested you.
Along those lines, here is a link to a good web page that explains the
connections between (and the differences among) the major Africanist
religious movements of the early to mid 20th century, including the
groups founded by Marcus Garvey, Father Hurley, Sweet Daddy Grace,
Father Divine, Farad Muhammad, Noble Drew Ali, Elias Dempsey Smith,
and so forth. Although the site is primarily concerned with the
political implications of Pan-Africanism in these messianic and
charismatic movements, it does touch briefly upon the mystical aspects
of Father Hurley's beliefs, which drew as much from Spiritualism as
from Garveyism.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/historica ... achers.htm

Cordially,

cat yronwode

silentwren@aol.com · Unread post by **silentwren@aol.com** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:45 pm

hi,

I think I may have missed the information
on how to get a course book. I am
a student from the 2003 class and I
think I remember Cat mentioning that we
could get a copy, but wasn't sure how much
and how to do it. thanks!

angie wert in FL

(Hi, Angie, the books are sold at a reduced
price to folks who took the course earlier
in the form of email or printed sheets.
Instead of costing $104.00 plus shipping, they
are $78.00 plus shipping. To get that price,
though, you must give your Student ID# when
you order. The book will made out to you in
the same Student ID# you originally had, as
this is your permanent number in our system.
You can find your Student ID# online at
http://luckymojo.com/complete-students-web.html
but remember that thqat page takes a LOOOONG time
to load. You can order in the usual way that you
would order anything from the shop -- email, phone,
fax, or snail mail -- and pay the usual way,
with a credit card, money order, or cash. Just be
sure to include your Student ID# plus money for
shipping.
--cat)

Unread post by **RedWill0w** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:51 pm

In a message dated 7/10/2006 6:46:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
silentwren@aol.com writes:

> >You can find your Student ID# online at
>http://luckymojo.com/complete-students-web.html
>but remember that thqat page takes a LOOOONG time
>to load.

Cat dear,

Just a note that for those of us who use a cable modem,
this page loads pretty much instantly. It's not important,
but I think of this every time I read your comment, above.
It really does pay to have a fast connection.

Dara

(Thanks. I use DSL and that page takes 20 seconds to load. Those with dial-up connections can expect to wait a minute. The reason i mention it is that occasionally people say, "the page came up blank for me" because they had a slow connection and were impatient. --cat)

silentwren@aol.com · Unread post by **silentwren@aol.com** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:22 pm

hi,
i was wondering if previous students - i am in the 2003 class - can get the
course book and how much it is.
thank you,
angie in florida

(Yes, previous year students can get the course book at a discount,
inscribed to them, for a discount. The price is $78.00 plus shipping
-- but you must contact the shop directly and give them your student
ID# along with your order. You can find your Student ID# online at
http://luckymojo.com/complete-students-web.html
--cat))

Unread post by **nagasiva** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:25 pm

"Quimbisero" <quimbisa@inquiceweb.com>:
# Here's a link that should be of interest to most people here:
#
# http://www.diaspora.uiuc.edu/newsletter.html

thanks!

sri catyananda:
# (Thanks, Eoghan. Folks, there's an article on the
# Adams-Kilty House hoodoo cache in the newsletter
# archives at this site. --cat)

here:
Annapolis House Yields Clues to Hoodoo Mysteries
by Ray Rivera, Washington Post Staff Writer, July 6, 2005
http://www.diaspora.uiuc.edu/news0705/news0705.html#3

about a year old. this part was really keen:

RR} Based on the oral narratives of former slaves, African
RR} American folklore and studies of West African rituals,
RR} researchers theorize that the ritual bundles --
RR} variously called mojos, tobys or "hands" --
RR} contain three key elements:
RR}
RR} The first is something to catch and hold the spirit
RR} in place. In the Adams-Kilty cache, it was a piece
RR} of glass with a checkerboard design. The glass is
RR} transparent and looks like ash or water, mimicking
RR} the environment spirits travel in, Leone said.
RR}
RR} Another element is something that belongs to the
RR} person to be affected by the spirit. This latest
RR} cache didn't appear to have such an object. Leone
RR} theorizes that it might have been the cloth, which
RR} disintegrated, used to wrap the cache. In the Brice
RR} house, the cache included a button engraved with
RR} the letter M, possibly belonging to a member of
RR} the Martin family, which owned the home in the
RR} late 19th or early 20th century, Leone said.
RR}
RR} The third element is something that relates to
RR} the problem to be solved. In the Adams-Kilty case,
RR} it was probably the bent nails, which might
RR} signify arthritis.

whose theory is it that mojos/tobys contain
"three key elements":
1) something to catch/hold the spirit in place
2) something belonging to the person to be
affected by the spirit
3) something related to the problem to be solved

is this a common anthropological theory about spells?
about mojos or African/Amerind bags?

(The latter two elements are found in much early European magic too -- the so-called "magical link" (to the person to be affected) and something symbolic (herbs, figurines, a petition paper, etc.) -- but the first element, which i refer to when i speak of "folding, wrapping and tying," is not found everywhere in the world but is near-universal in Africa. Not all African *spells* utilize wrapping, folding, and tying but all *HANDS* are made that way. And yes, anthropologists are aware of this and have been for quite some years. --cat)

also, the author mentions this source: Yvonne P. Chireau,
"Black Magic: Religion and the African American Conjuring
Tradition." did you like this book? good reading for
course students?

(It's okay. I liked it up until the last chapter; she and i kinda went our separate ways at that point. I don;t like it enough to carry it in the shop, if that's what you mean. --cat)

also, this article:

Twenty Years After: Re-examining Archaeological
Collections for Evidence of New York City's Colonial
African Past
by Diana diZerega Wall,
City College of the City University of New York
http://www.diaspora.uiuc.edu/A-AAnewsle ... or14439436

had an interesting reference cited:

DW} 1999 Hoodoo and Conjuration: Contextualizing 19th Century
DW} African-American Folk Practices. Paper presented at
DW} the Council for Northeast Historical Archaeology
DW} Conference, St. Mary's City, Maryland.

I may try to get a copy of that, or find out how to do so.

(I'd like to read that, of source. --cat)

nagasiva

(Thanks, hon. --cat)

Unread post by **brushhud** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:09 pm

nagasiva wrote:
> >
> "Quimbisero" <quimbisa@inquiceweb.com <mailto:quimbisa%40inquiceweb.com>>:
> # Here's a link that should be of interest to most people here:
> #
> # http://www.diaspora.uiuc.edu/newsletter.html
> <http://www.diaspora.uiuc.edu/newsletter.html>
>
> thanks!
>
> sri catyananda:
> # (Thanks, Eoghan. Folks, there's an article on the
> # Adams-Kilty House hoodoo cache in the newsletter
> # archives at this site. --cat)
>
> here:
> Annapolis House Yields Clues to Hoodoo Mysteries
> by Ray Rivera, Washington Post Staff Writer, July 6, 2005
> http://www.diaspora.uiuc.edu/news0705/news0705.html#3
> <http://www.diaspora.uiuc.edu/news0705/news0705.html#3>
>
> about a year old. this part was really keen:
>
> RR} Based on the oral narratives of former slaves, African
> RR} American folklore and studies of West African rituals,
> RR} researchers theorize that the ritual bundles --
> RR} variously called mojos, tobys or "hands" --
> RR} contain three key elements:
> RR}
> RR} The first is something to catch and hold the spirit
> RR} in place. In the Adams-Kilty cache, it was a piece
> RR} of glass with a checkerboard design. The glass is
> RR} transparent and looks like ash or water, mimicking
> RR} the environment spirits travel in, Leone said.
> RR}
> RR} Another element is something that belongs to the
> RR} person to be affected by the spirit. This latest
> RR} cache didn't appear to have such an object. Leone
> RR} theorizes that it might have been the cloth, which
> RR} disintegrated, used to wrap the cache. In the Brice
> RR} house, the cache included a button engraved with
> RR} the letter M, possibly belonging to a member of
> RR} the Martin family, which owned the home in the
> RR} late 19th or early 20th century, Leone said.
> RR}
> RR} The third element is something that relates to
> RR} the problem to be solved. In the Adams-Kilty case,
> RR} it was probably the bent nails, which might
> RR} signify arthritis.
>
> whose theory is it that mojos/tobys contain
> "three key elements":
> 1) something to catch/hold the spirit in place
> 2) something belonging to the person to be
> affected by the spirit
> 3) something related to the problem to be solved
>
> is this a common anthropological theory about spells?
> about mojos or African/Amerind bags?
>
> (The latter two elements are found in much early European magic too --
> the so-called "magical link" (to the person to be affected) and
> something symbolic (herbs, figurines, a petition paper, etc.) -- but
> the first element, which i refer to when i speak of "folding, wrapping
> and tying," is not found everywhere in the world but is near-universal
> in Africa. Not all African *spells* utilize wrapping, folding, and
> tying but all *HANDS* are made that way. And yes, anthropologists are
> aware of this and have been for quite some years. --cat)
>
> also, the author mentions this source: Yvonne P. Chireau,
> "Black Magic: Religion and the African American Conjuring
> Tradition." did you like this book? good reading for
> course students?
>
> (It's okay. I liked it up until the last chapter; she and i kinda went
> our separate ways at that point. I don;t like it enough to carry it in
> the shop, if that's what you mean. --cat)
>
> also, this article:
>
> Twenty Years After: Re-examining Archaeological
> Collections for Evidence of New York City's Colonial
> African Past
> by Diana diZerega Wall,
> City College of the City University of New York
> http://www.diaspora.uiuc.edu/A-AAnewsle ... or14439436
> <http://www.diaspora.uiuc.edu/A-AAnewsle ... or14439436>
>
> had an interesting reference cited:
>
> DW} 1999 Hoodoo and Conjuration: Contextualizing 19th Century
> DW} African-American Folk Practices. Paper presented at
> DW} the Council for Northeast Historical Archaeology
> DW} Conference, St. Mary's City, Maryland.
>
> I may try to get a copy of that, or find out how to do so.
>
> (I'd like to read that, of source. --cat)
>
> nagasiva
>
> (Thanks, hon. --cat)
>

Hey Nagasiva

Thanks ever so much for this. You have answered a question for me about
checkerboard glass that I have wanted to know for quite some time.

Lucinda
> >
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Unread post by **Quimbisero** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:43 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, Cat wrote:

> > (It's okay. I liked it up until the last chapter; she and i kinda
went >our separate ways at that point. I don;t like it enough to carry
it in >the shop, if that's what you mean. --cat)

The book has a lot of good material. It suffers from the author's
attempts to situate these practices as somehow "of the past". She does
not go so far as to say that Hoodoo is no longer practiced, which of
course would not only be a blatant lie, but one she knows too many of
her readers would recognize as such, but still, she tries to, a little
more subtly, situate the topic in an historic frame. In part she does
this by refusing to discuss contemprary issues.

Presumably she finds it a fascinating topic and recognizes it's
importance. However, my guess is that either motivated by personal
Christian convictions or else by a socio-political agenda, she feels
discomfort over the continued belief in Hoodoo by African Americans.

So, like you Cat, and probably for much the same reasons, we went our
separate ways by the end of the book. I would certainly recommend it
as useful reading, but only as historical documentation. Her
conclusions, for the reasons I mentioned, are somewhat problematic.

Eoghan

Unread post by **AnkleBells** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:37 pm

Cat,

I was just looking at your complete inventory and noticed the book,
Conjure in African American Society by Jeffrey E. Anderson. Was or is
this man a student of yours?

(Yes,, Jeff has taken this course -- and he occasionally reads and responds to this Yahoo group as well. Also, we interviewed him on th LuckyMojo Hoodoo Rootwork Radio Show! --cat)

Those head scarves/altar cloths are great
by the way. I hope you get more...

(Thanks. We try to keep them in stock, bu supllies change... --cat)

Carla

Unread post by **rootwork** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:59 pm

<anklebells800cows@...> wrote:
> >
> Cat,
>
> I was just looking at your complete inventory and noticed the book,
> Conjure in African American Society by Jeffrey E. Anderson. Was or
> is this man a student of yours?
>
> Carla
>
> (Yes,, Jeff has taken this course -- and he occasionally reads and
responds to this Yahoo group as well. Also, we interviewed him on the
Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Radio Show! --cat)

Actually, I pretty much always keep up with what's going on, though I
do not post that much. I learn a lot this way.

(Hey, Jeff! I'm glad to see you're still involved with the Yahoo group. By the way, we are now out of your book and eagerly awaiting our next shipment. They are selling pretty well for us, and we sure do appreciate the fact that they are all signed by you. --cat)

Unread post by **rootwork** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:05 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "hoodoodoctor3" <jeffnlynn@...>
wrote:
> >
> <anklebells800cows@> wrote:
> >
> > Cat,
> >
> > I was just looking at your complete inventory and noticed the
book,
> > > Conjure in African American Society by Jeffrey E. Anderson. Was or
> > is this man a student of yours?
> >
> > Carla
> >
> > (Yes,, Jeff has taken this course -- and he occasionally reads
and
> > responds to this Yahoo group as well. Also, we interviewed him on
the
> > Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Radio Show! --cat)
>
> Actually, I pretty much always keep up with what's going on, though
I
> > do not post that much. I learn a lot this way.
>
> (Hey, Jeff! I'm glad to see you're still involved with the Yahoo
group. By the way, we are now out of your book and eagerly awaiting
our next shipment. They are selling pretty well for us, and we sure
do appreciate the fact that they are all signed by you. --cat)
> >

Hey! I am getting ready to send you some more books. Unfortunately,
I was running short, but I should have more in a few days. I
apologize for the delay.

Unread post by **Anthony Bertolina** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:04 pm

Cat~

I know you've answered this question before, but how much is the new book for previous students? and is there by chance a picture of it online, I looked on the lucky mojo site but couldn't find it. Im interested in ordering a copy, student #539

Anthony M. Bertolina

(The book version of the course is $78.00 for previous years' students (instead of $104.00), plus shipping.To get this deal, you must give your fiull name and your Student ID# when ordering. You know your student ID#, but those who don't, can find the Student ID#s online at
http://luckymojo.com/complete-students-web.html
I will try to get a scan made and online soon. Since the book is so private (that is, not for sale via amazon like HHRM), it did not occur to me to scan it, but you're the second or third person to ask, so i'll do it (or ask siva to, more likely.

--cat)

Unread post by **Deborah Voith** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:03 pm

Hi Cat,

A few months ago I bought a 1856 edition of The Long Lost Friend by
John George Hohman. It was printed in Harrisburg, PA. - T.F. Scheffer,
printer. I was wondering if you knew if this might be the first english
edition of this book? The outer cover says nothing on it- but has a
flower design on it(roses). What do you think?

thanks,

Deborah Voith #805

(It's the SECOND English edition, entirely different trnslation than the first edition, ten years after he first edition. See the bibliography at my page on Pow Wows:
http://luckymojo.com/powwows.html
--cat)

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:17 pm

-- For Sale --

At the current time we have a set of volumes 3, 4, and 5 in
stock of the rare, long-out-of-print Harry Hyatt 5,000 page
opus on African- American hoodoo folk-magic, "Hoodoo -
Conjuration - Witchcraft - Rootowrk."

The books are sold as a SET only because only 3,000 copies
were printed, and Vols. 1 and 2 were sold by Hyatt as one
set, while 3, 4, and 5 were sold by him as a second set.

Vols. 3, 4, and 5 are $300.00 per set, plus $33.00 for
shipping, insurance, and delivery receipt in the USA. (They
are big and weigh about 20 lbs total).

Shipping prices quoted above are by Media Rate. If you wish
for faster service such as UPS 2-day, the cost will be
higher, of course.

-- General Information --

"Hoodoo - Conjuration - Witchcraft - Rootwork" is a
5-volume, 4766-page collection of folkloric material
gathered by Harry Middleton Hyatt, in Alabama, Arkansas,
Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland,
Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, and
Virginia between 1936 and 1940. Supplementary interviews
were conducted in Florida in 1970.

The Hyatt collection consists of 13,458 separate magic
spells and folkloric beliefs, plus lengthy interviews with
professional root doctors, conjures, and hoodoos. All but
one of Hyatt's1600 informants were African-Americans, but
several narrations by European-Americans (collected for his
earlier book, "Folklore From Adams County, Illinois") were
also included. Hyatt recorded the material on Edison
cylinders and a device called a Telediphone, often without
the full knowledge of the participants. He then transcribed
and annotated it for publication. Occasionally his equipment
failed or was not available and he took hand-written notes
instead. The 1930s field recordings have since been
destroyed, with the exception of a few cylinders that Hyatt
had pressed onto 78 rpm records. The Florida interviews of
1970, recorded on cassette tapes, have survived.

The publication of this material was accomplished between
1970 and 1978. The first two volumes were issued as a set in
1970, and said to be complete, but then, after a few years,
three more volumes were released. Hyatt published the books
himself -- that is, they were released under the imprint
"Memoirs of the Alma C. Hyatt Foundation." Alma C. Hyatt was
his wife.

If you want more information about these rare books, go to
http://www.luckymojo.com/hyatt.html

We accept Visa, MC, Amex, Cash, Checks, and Money Orders in
US funds and we will ship overseas via insured USPS Airmail
at the buyer's additional expense.

For ordering information, go to our order page at:
http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatorder.html or order by
telephone by calling 707-887-1521, Monday through Sunday, 9
- 5, Pacific time.

Cordially,

cat yronwode

Lucky Mojo Curio Co.

Susan Leybourne · Unread post by **Susan Leybourne** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:12 pm

> At the current time we have a set of volumes 3, 4, and 5 in
> stock of the rare, long-out-of-print Harry Hyatt 5,000 page
> opus on African- American hoodoo folk-magic, "Hoodoo -
> Conjuration - Witchcraft - Rootowrk."
>
> The books are sold as a SET only because only 3,000 copies
> were printed, and Vols. 1 and 2 were sold by Hyatt as one
> set, while 3, 4, and 5 were sold by him as a second set.
>
Does that mean $300 per volume or for the set of three sorry to be dim.
I am interested, but need to make sure. I know we are not supposed to
discuss making deals and purchases on the list, but wanted to reply as
soon as I saw the message.
All the best
Susan #437
--
Susan Leybourne
www.witch1.demon.co.uk

(The price is $100.00 per book, which works out to $300.00 per set of 3 gbooks, plus shipping. Please call or email the shop for further information.
LMCCo phone 707-887-1521
LMCCo email order@luckymojo.com
-- cat)

Antonio · Unread post by **Antonio** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:46 pm

Cat,
I was wondering if you knew of anyone online who might teach a hexology or Braucherei class via correspondence, or live classes in pow wow and hex signs.

anthony

(Sorry, i don't know of a class in Pennsylvania Dutch Braucherei or Pow Wow magic. There is actually a huge trove of older information available from authentic sources, published in the early 20th century. Follow those sources and stay away from modern books on the subject written by new age / pagan authors and published by new age publishers, some of whom attempt to strip the Chrisian prayer elements away from this tradition, pretending that the work was once done in the name of pre-Christian deities. The Pennsylvania Germans were and remain Christians, so the invocation of ancient pagan deities in their tradition is an invention on the parts of neo-pagan writers. --cat)

Unread post by **Jaguarwoman** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:34 pm

Anthony, a book you might want to look into is "Strange Experience"
by Lee R. Gandee. He was a hexenmeister, psychic and folk magician.
The book is autobiographical but includes how to make and use hex
signs, which he calls "painted prayers".

It was written in 1971 and is out of print but can be found at Amazon
and sometimes ebay. The price on it varies quite a bit, I found mine
for $4.00 in a used book store, but see it fluctuate on line from $35
to $100, so if you are interested, shop around.

Dana

Unread post by **Auntie Sindy Todo** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:24 pm

"Rosemary Stepien" <rosemarystepien@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> > What is the name of the book?
>
> Rosemarie

Hi Rosemarie,

It is called "The Element Encyclopedia of 5000 Spells" by
Judika Illes. I did pick it up to add to my reference collection and just glancing through, it looks to have some very useful information as Marc mentioned.

- Sindy

Unread post by **Inominandum** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:16 pm

Does anyone here know of an English translation of St Cyprians
Grimoire (any of the versions).

The closest that I have been able to find is this page translating a
few of the spells (which will mostly be familiar to those in this
class).

http://www.portcult.com/SAINT_CYPRIAN.0 ... SPELLS.htm

Unread post by **Gina Karicas** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:13 pm

****Once done, the woman should become very kind and obedient with the husband, agreeing to all his desires, and the husband will remain faithful to her. *****

ah, well.........that spell won't work for me.......LOL............. sorry, had to be said

<cackle>

Love,
Gina Karicas

(I had to look up and fill in the last name. --cat)

Unread post by **imohf** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:13 pm

Is this the text book --
I have the course book and
I LOVE the inscription --
but you also refer to another book --
which I think I must buy!

(The other book required for the course is "Hoodoo Root and Herb Magic" -- referred to throughout the course as HHRM. See details at
http://luckymojo.com/hoodooherbmagic.html
HHRM is not a private course book; you may purchase it in paperback or hardcover from regular book distributors like amazon.com or from luckymojo.com -- if you buy it from Lucky Mojo, though, it will be inscribed. Also, if you buy the hardcover version, the binding will match that of the course book.

Feroza Jussawalla

(I had to look up and fill in both the first and last names. --cat)

Unread post by **Gina Karicas** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:02 pm

Love,
Gina Karicas

(I had to look up and fill in the last name. --cat)

**************

sorry, dear. When I sent this I hadn't heard the new rule that we have all have to use first and last names. I have been writing here forever with just Gina, but will change it for when I do happen to write in.

Love,
Gina Karicas

(Thanks, Gina. There are now too many students for me to keep everyone in my had by first name only. There are also tons of odd posts lately. I am now rejecting about 1/4 of the posts because they have no hoodoo content, or they are asking for free spells, or they are slamming other peoples' religions. I am a little frazled tonight, trying to get the messsages edited and posted so that i can get home to my dear husband -- and i hope you forgive my shortness. --cat)