Hoodoo in Fiction Books Movies Film TV Television Shows Stage Plays

Unread post by **MissEziliFreda** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:09 pm

YES YES YES!! For the longest, in
North Alabama the only practitioner I
knew was a female Bokor with a Stevie
Nicks fetish.The first time I talked to her she
told me - up and out of no where
- that the mirror in my bathroom
was a gift from my paternal grandmother!!
Which it was. She said "she disliked
you in this life and hates you in the
next . . . get tha' mirr outcha house.
Take it and let the birds deal with it
but 'get tha mirr outcha house!!"

That night I finally looked into
that mirror for scrying purposes
not to check my hair or make-up, right?
My husband Dave and I drove around
till 4:00 AM trying to find a place to
leave Grandmother that would not cause
nuclear disaster and holocaust to the
poor folks or area we left it!!

Our finances at the studio and my
shoppe and our personal life
turned around 180 degrees within 7
days. I am totally with you on this one!!
Thanks for sharing!!

*Gypsy*Nancy* - Shadows & Light
Dedicated to the Pink Lady - Miss Ezili
(http://www.delinquent-records.com/)

Unread post by **Mike Rock** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:06 pm

HEY. No Skeleton Key spoilers please. I just saw the movie and
would have been mad if I had read any.

thanks

mike

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:19 am

Mike,

I don't think any spoilers have been posted -- although i did trim a few posts to remove spoilers.

Unread post by **Mike Rock** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:35 pm

Thanks for trimming them. I hate spoilers.

mike

(I do too, Mike. -- cat)

Unread post by **Mike Rock** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:35 pm

On 8/17/05, Marisa Young <webmaven@radiobastet.com> wrote:
> >
> First of all, as clearly stated in the film, The
> Skeleton Key is not about "voodoo." It is about
> hoodoo (admittedly, they are easily
> confused). Also known as rootwork and conjure,
> hoodoo is a form of African-American folk magic
> practiced mostly in the Southern United
> States. It is based on West African magical
> practices

Small errata.. hoodoo, as Eoghan reminds us over and over, is from
CENTRAL Africa not West Africa. Different cultures.

> > Voodoo (or more properly, Voudon) is
> a Haitian religion, also rooted in West African
> folk magic.

The most accepted spellings in modern English and in Haiti are Voodoo
[capital V] and Vodou, and that is actually how Haitian pronounce it:
Voh-doo. The accent is on the 'doo'. And it comes from West African
RELIGION and Taino religion, not from African "folk magic".

blessings

mike

Unread post by **AnkleBells** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:41 pm

I just found cassette tapes of "Mules And Men" at the library
and listened to it. Sometimes it has a different effect to hear
stories being told audibly. It is an abridged version. I wish I
could find a version which is not abridged but anyway...while I was
listening to it, I could not help but think about how hard it might
have been to get those stories from those men... but writers and
journalists usually go through that anyway. Carla

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Unread post by **Quimbisero** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:54 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "anklebells800cows@j..."
<anklebells800cows@j...> wrote:
> >
I could not help but think about how hard it might
> > have been to get those stories from those men... but writers and
> journalists usually go through that anyway. Carla

Zora Neale Hurston was an academically trained Anthropologist and
Folklorist, trained in fact by among others the man who is considered
to have been the founder of the discipline in the United States, and
of modern Anthropological theory and process throughout the world
Franz Boas, who Zora referred to among friends and confidents as Papa
Boaz.

In her books you will often get some inklings of the ways in which she
went about collecting work. She not only faced difficulty in getting
stories, but was sufficiently enough at risk, that she traveled the
country with a gun. Remember, this was a time when lynching was common
and a black woman alone could not count on any protection by or from
the law.

Eoghan

Unread post by **AnkleBells** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:19 pm

> In her books you will often get
> some inklings of the ways in which
> she went about collecting work.
> She not only faced difficulty in
> getting stories, but was sufficiently
> enough at risk, that she traveled
> the country with a gun. Remember,
> this was a time when lynching was
> common and a black woman alone could
> not count on any protection by or from
> the law.

Eoghan,

Sometimes when people make great contributions
we have no idea how much was behind it and the work
involved. I started thinking about that while listening
to that story. I read somewhere that she was a part of
Roosevelt's Federal Writer's project.

(She was. --cat)

Do you or anyone know where the title of her book comes from?

Carla

iJones · Unread post by **iJones** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:45 pm

--- Quimbisero <quimbisa@inquiceweb.com> wrote:

> > Zora Neale Hurston was an academically trained
> Anthropologist and
> Folklorist,

There is a great festival in Florida every year for
her.
http://zorafestival.com/

Ian

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Unread post by **luckyhoodoo** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:43 pm

_http://www.smh.com.au/news/film/the-skeleton-k ... click=true_

(http://www.smh.com.au/news/film/the-ske ... click=true)

Cat you are mentioned!

-Jason Gammon

(Why so i am! That's very cool ... even though i do not live in NOLA, as the article said. --cat)

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:08 pm

I'm watching an African movie called Yeelen (which means
"Brightness.") The hero is a powerful young wizard on the run from his
father, who has accused him of stealing the people's lore and magical
power. Now, this is somewhat off-topic for this because the setting
is Mali. However, it gives us a vivid impression of what it is to live a magical life.

I'm watching him split a horse's legbone, lay a piece of magical wood
in it (maybe a length of root?), tie it up with black thread, and
*hammer it into a termite mound* to destroy a powerful enemy.

They were attacked by a swarm of bees - at night.

He pulled the bone out and threw it into a fire - and a grassfire
sprang up around them.

They fled.

Michaele / Mother Pyrite

Unread post by **red-lamp1** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:24 pm

The Skeleton Key will be on released on DVD next week...Tuesday the
15th. The commercial says there is 20 minutes of new
footage...hopefully we will get to see the scene Spiritualist Church.

Blessings
Lisa

(Thanks for the heads-up, Lisa. For those new to the course and this list, "The Skeleton Key" is a movie for which i was a consultant and for which Lucky Mojo created a shop-load of spiritual supplies -- almost none of which appeared onscreen. A scene shot at a Spiritualist Church in New Orleans was also cut from the released version, and the director, Iaian Softley, has mentioned in an interview that it will be available on the DVD. --cat)

Unread post by **Anthony** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:58 pm

So I purchased the Rootworker independant film that someone listed on the
discussion group last week. It was interesting, I liked the documentery DVD
that was included with the film better than the film itself.
I also want to say that last week i ran out and got Skeleton Key on DVD,
destined to be one of my favorites. I loved the Blackhawk ceremony on the
deleted sceens, why didnt they put that in the movie, errrr........ The
documentary they had on voodoo and hoodoo was alright, I wish Cat had been
interviewed. Toward the end of the documentary they had a section called
"hoodoo a brief explaination" I've never seen sometyhing so brief, and what
explaination??? Anyways, thats my rant on these two films.
Anthony

Holly Clearman · Unread post by **Holly Clearman** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:39 am

I'm completely with you on that, Anthony...why they didn't interview
cat but had that one lady give the briefest of brief descriptions of
hoodoo instead I'll never know. I got the feeling she didn't really
know what hoodoo was and was, therefore, lost for words! It was VERY
cool to see Mama Lola, tho. She's very well known to voodoo people.

Also....where was all the Lucky Mojo stuff in the store? I saw one
row of blue bags of sachets or whatever and another row of LM oils
and that was it!

Skeleton Key could have been really good but it was so darn hokey
when there are any number of true stories that would have scared the
bejeezuz out of most anybody.

<Sigh.> Hollywood.

--Holly

(The Skeleton Key production company bought enough stuff from our shop that i had to hire two extra people full time to make the items for them. They bought glass vigil lights to stock 4 deep on the shelves of an entire wall, 4 candles of each kind we make. They bought items they KNEW they could not show onscreen, such as multiple penis and vulva candles. The director even bought a set of Hyatt books! (Strange but true.) And almost none of of the thousands of items they bought from us showed up in the movie -- all i saw for sure were some Mexican Buddhas and plastic Virgin Mary holy water bottles, a white crucifix candle, an herb packet, a bottle of Chinese Wash (i recognized the bottle shape, although the label had been removed), and a dozen Racoon Penis Bones. The rest -- box after box of goods we Fed-Exed to them overnight on the Universal Studios account -- apparently ended up on the cutting room floor and everything was then given away to the cast and crew. That's Mysterious Hollywood for ya. . --cat)

Holly Clearman · Unread post by **Holly Clearman** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:28 am

cat --

My neighbor is the Events Coordinator for Universal and he gave me a
huge box of Lucky Mojo stuff after seeing some of your things around
my house one day. He had it left over from the movie premiere party,
didn't know what to do with it as it was just sitting in his office,
so I was the lucky recipient! All I have left is a lot of Jinxing
powder and salts and a few Aunt Sally's Lucky Numbers powders. I
used up all the rest (lots of Bewitching! My favorite!).

--Holly

(Far out! --cat)

Unread post by **Mike Rock** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:35 pm

On 11/27/05, Holly Clearman <syren1234@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I'm completely with you on that, Anthony...why they didn't interview
> cat but had that one lady give the briefest of brief descriptions of
> hoodoo instead I'll never know. I got the feeling she didn't really
> know what hoodoo was and was, therefore, lost for words!

Umm that was Brandy Kelly, initiate Vodou child of Mama Lola and New
Orleans resident, founder of VoodooFest and owner of the Voodoo
Authentica shop in the French Quarter. She knows what hoodoo is.

blessings,

mike
--

http://www.mike-rock.com

Unread post by **Anthony** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:09 pm

On 12/5/05, Mike Rock <mojomiguel@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> On 11/27/05, Holly Clearman <syren1234@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > why they didn't interview
> > cat but had that one lady give the
> > briefest of brief descriptions of
> > hoodoo instead I'll never know.
> > I got the feeling she didn't really
> > know what hoodoo was and was, therefore, lost for words!
>
> Umm that was Brandy Kelly, initiate Vodou child of Mama Lola and New
> Orleans resident, founder of VoodooFest and owner of the Voodoo
> Authentica shop in the French Quarter. She knows what hoodoo is.

No, not Brandy Kelly, there was another lady at the end of the special
features.

Holly Clearman · Unread post by **Holly Clearman** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:17 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, Mike Rock <mojomiguel@g...> wrote:
> >
> On 11/27/05, Holly Clearman <syren1234@y...> wrote:

> > I'm completely with you on that, Anthony...why they didn't
> > interview cat but had that one lady give the briefest of brief
> > descriptions of hoodoo instead I'll never know. I got the feeling
> > she didn't really know what hoodoo was and was, therefore, lost
> >for words!
>
> Umm that was Brandy Kelly, initiate Vodou child of Mama Lola and New
> Orleans resident, founder of VoodooFest and owner of the Voodoo
> Authentica shop in the French Quarter. She knows what hoodoo is.

She may very well be an expert. However she was, in my opinion,
inarticulate. She provided a vague, repetitive explanation making it
appear she did not have much knowledge on the subject. I expected as
descriptive an answer as the others were able to provide about voodoo.

Now having said that, it may have been a bad editing job on the part of
the film makers and given the hokiness of the movie, that's probably
the most likely explanation.

I still think cat would have been much more interesting an interview on
the subject of hoodoo than Brandy Kelly, but then again I'm prejudiced!

desirassecret4u · Unread post by **desirassecret4u** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:38 pm

I was disappointed that cat was not interviewed in the Skeleton Key. It was about Hoodoo not Voodoo, but i will pass it along to the film maker through a friend to let him know what i am sure alot of us think!

desirassecret4u · Unread post by **desirassecret4u** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:40 pm

> Mike Rock <mojomiguel@gmail.com> wrote:

> Umm that was Brandy Kelly, initiate Vodou child of Mama Lola and New
> Orleans resident, founder of VoodooFest and owner of the Voodoo
> Authentica shop in the French Quarter. She knows what hoodoo is.

No, not Brandy Kelly, there was another lady at the end of the special
features.

desirassecret4u · Unread post by **desirassecret4u** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:41 pm

i Know we all love cat but much respect to Brandy Kelly we are all in the Spiritual Realm!

Unread post by **Sister Jacqueline** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:41 am

I would be up for a hoodoo fest.

Short story.

Many years ago, I had a little savings for my girlfriend and I to go
to NO to find the Tea Cup Room and cruize hoodoo shops. (This was off
a dream that I went into one who had one black lady behind the counter
and two elderly black men sitting around. I asked for some John the
Conqueror and the lady said to my boyfiend (whose name is John), "I
think the missus is gettin' a bit tipsy". I now know that "tipsy"
means going under, possesssion like.) None the less, I used to call
the trip as my " Voodoo Plantation Tour" since all I wanted to do is
go get spanish moss and visit old plantations. Well, girlfriend and I
parted friendship, and last I heard she moved to NO three years ago. I
hope she made out all right, with Katrina and all.

I absolutely hate heat though, so can we plan something before it gets
hot?

Thanks for suggesting it!

Jackie

P.S. Another idea...you COULD start by having a conference in the Bay
Area at one of the Sheratons or a Hyatt (pun intended here!) hotel.
Promote it and get speakers and classes going...

Just a thought.

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, desira4u@a... wrote:
>
> I was getting a strong calling to start a Hoodoo Fest.
>
> I am a previous owner of a well known Spa; i don't want to mention
the spa's name any longer; that was the past. I used to do readings
out of there and hoodoo work for clients. when i seen the skeleton key
the part in which she goes into the laundry facility and in the back
was a hoodoo shop was how i kind of worked. anyways a lady below me
seen much of my succsess and brought about authorities i was
persecuted a lot by my neighbors in business as a witch.
>
> To make the long story short 5 years before all this happened a
Spiritual Lady came to my spa and told me i don't belong here this is
not my calling and soon i will see the signs! so one day soon my dream
will come true to start a huge gathering in which all of us can meet
in person and of course i would love to have Cat as the celebrity
spotlight!
>
> (I'd be glad to attend a Hoodoo Fest ... but as those who know me
can attest, i make a rather better writer, spiritual consultant,
teacher, and "conjure pharamacist" than i do a celebrity. I tend to
stay huddled up in my little corner, making and doing things. I have
never learned how to arch, preen, and smile graciously. --cat)
>

gillecroisd · Unread post by **gillecroisd** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:41 am

I stumbled across a victorian home for sale in Kansas with a secret 'hoodoo room'. I found
the photos to be of interest and thought some of you may as well.

http://members.cox.net/gypsycats/hoodoo.html

(Sorry to disappoint you, but the term "hoodoo room" was invented by the screenwriter Ehren Kruger for use in the 2005 movie "Skeleton Key," and the people trying to sell this house also reference that movie (big clue). Furthermore, a look at the articles supposedly found in the room shows most of them to be very modern, not in any way vintage or antiques. Only a few of the rings look more than a decade old. No actual hoodoo items are displayed just random kitchenwear and jewelry. The layout, with the candles in a circle, is straight out of the movie, and out of similar scenes in television shows, such as "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." The cloth with the bloody (red paint) handprint on it is either truly offensive or laughably stupid to anyone who practices conjure, depending on your mood when you see it. Finally, middle Kansas is not exactly a hotbed of African American spirituality. For REAL hoodoo material found in old houses, see previous threads here about the Brice House and the Adams-Kilty house. --cat)

Unread post by **Barbara Griffith** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:11 pm

-----Original Message-----
From: hrcourse@yahoogroups.com on behalf of gillecroisd
Sent: Sat 2/11/2006 9:38 PM
To: hrcourse@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hrc] Hoodoo Room

I stumbled across a victorian home for sale in Kansas with a secret 'hoodoo room'. I found
the photos to be of interest and thought some of you may as well.

http://members.cox.net/gypsycats/hoodoo.html

(Sorry to disappoint you, but the term "hoodoo room" was invented by the screenwriter Ehren Kruger for use in the 2005 movie "Skeleton Key," and the people trying to sell this house also reference that movie (big clue). Furthermore, a look at the articles supposedly found in the room shows most of them to be very modern, not in any way vintage or antiques. Only a few of the rings look more than a decade old. No actual hoodoo items are displayed - just random kitchenwear and jewelry. The layout, with the candles in a circle, is straight out of the movie, and out of similar scenes in television shows, such as "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." The cloth with the bloody (red paint) handprint on it is either truly offensive or laughably stupid to anyone who practices conjure, depending on your mood when you see it. Finally, middle Kansas is not exactly a hotbed of African American spirituality. For REAL hoodoo material found in old houses, see previous threads here about the Brice House and the Adams-Kilty house. --cat)

If this is not a sign that the housing market is cooling off I don't know what else it could be. I could never get away with a secret hoodoo room seeing as how my house was built in 1971.

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Unread post by **leeazorra** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:17 pm

<gillecroisd@...> wrote:
> >
> I stumbled across a victorian home for sale in Kansas
> with a secret 'hoodoo room'. I found
> the photos to be of interest and thought some of you may as well.
>
> http://members.cox.net/gypsycats/hoodoo.html

> They are running this house/room/items from it on e-bay.under
> haunted, etc.

(Sorry to disappoint you, but the term "hoodoo room" was invented
by the screenwriter Ehren Kruger for use in the 2005 movie "Skeleton
Key," and the people trying to sell this house also reference that
movie (big clue). Furthermore, a look at the articles supposedly
found in the room shows most of them to be very modern, not in any
way vintage or antiques. Only a few of the rings look more than a
decade old. No actual hoodoo items are displayed -- just random
kitchenware and jewelry. The layout, with the candles in a circle,
is straight out of the movie, and out of similar scenes in
television shows [...] --cat)

samantha · Unread post by **samantha** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:32 pm

And it just keeps getting better everyday. How far will they go?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sterling-MOON-GODDE ... ED-HooDoo-
Room_W0QQitemZ5665846142QQcategoryZ102514QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

(They are desperate to sell the house as if it had something to do with the movie. Silly humans. --cat)

Unread post by **Mike Rock** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:39 am

cat wrote:

> (They are desperate to sell the house. Silly humans. --cat)

LOL they even quoted from the movie:

"Maybe all houses have spirits, we just don't see or feel them until we believe we can."

mike

http://www.mike-rock.com

Unread post by **darkmother11** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:51 pm

MY GOODNESS CAT!!!

I am extremely jealous. You are doing prop and consulting work now ?!!

(Actually, i've been doing it for decades now, both in the field of comics and in the field of magic. Once your name gets into a few rolodexes, you get called. It's lots of fun, albeit too sporadic to be counted upon for regular income. In addition to the irregularity of the calls, you have to get used to working your ass off to meet a ridiculous deadline, only to find all your creativity and hard labour ending up on the cutting room floor. Fame is never going to be a reward, so you have to do it either for love or for money. The money you are paid is usually all you'll get, for credits have a way of being dangled above your head and then suddenly withdrawn. All in all it's a weird side-line, but i like it...--cat)

I grew up in a household where this sort of thing was practiced and taught but no one I know has ever been asked to do anything! (Sad face) I have nothing positive or new to report. Just green with envy.

When and where does this show Bones air? I would love to see it.

Sanchez

("Bones" is a show about a forensic anthropologist and an FBI agent that airs on the Fox TV channel Wednesday nights. It stars David Boreanaz and Emily Deschanel. See
http://www.fox.com/bones/
The episode for which we supplied props and set dressing (basically roots and candles) is one dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and is set in New Orleans. --cat)

Unread post by **Yolaine** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:42 pm

>>>>>
("Bones" is a show about a forensic anthropologist and an FBI agent that airs on the Fox TV channel Wednesday nights. It stars David Boreanaz and Emily Deschanel. See
http://www.fox.com/bones/
The episode for which we supplied props and set dressing (basically roots and candles) is one dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and is set in New Orleans. --cat)
> >>>>>

Any idea when 'your' episode will be aired?

Blessings,
Yolaine

(No! And, ya know what? I've been so busy i plumb forgot about it! Thanks for the reminder. I hope someone here catches us up to date on this. I don't watch TV much, myself... --cat)

Unread post by **Mary Collyridian** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:59 pm

<<Hi,
Glad to see someone else interested in Powwow magic. I think 'Hex' is a
pretty good book. The dvd Cat refrenced,'Apprentice to Murder can
usually be had for about five dollars including shipping on Ebay. You
can find a little more on the web about Powwow magic by searching the
term Bracher or Braucherei on Google. That will help keep you from
being deluged by Native American sites. If you enjoyed 'Hex' you might
also like 'Strange Experience:The autobiography of a hexenmeister" by
Lee R Gandee. It is a bit eclectic at times but interesting in the
authors thought processes. It's probably the only autobiography of a
Powwow practitioner you're liable to come across. It's out of print
also.

Jon>>

Thanks! I just ordered it - new from Amazon 3.49 or something like that. It was less used. Francis

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fewacres@telstarisp.com · Unread post by **fewacres@telstarisp.com** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:10 pm

Cat wrote: ("Bones" is a show about a forensic anthropologist and an FBI agent that airs on the Fox TV channel Wednesday nights. It stars David Boreanaz and Emily Deschanel. See
http://www.fox.com/bones/
The episode for which we supplied props and set dressing (basically roots and candles) is one dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and is set in New Orleans. --cat)

Per tonight's previews, the New Orleans episode will air in 2 weeks (April 19th, 7pm Central,Fox Network).

Lori

(THANKS! Keep your eyes open for LMCCo candles and whole Master Roots! --cat)

Unread post by **Honeybeelight** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:26 pm

I was watching Fox tonight and they did a teaser for an episode in two weeks (that's two
weeks from this Wednesday, Fox, 8/7 Central). There was something about people going
into trance and killing other people and some turgid voiceover about "black magic" (bleah)
and what looked like a veve of Erzulie Freda on a door (whoo, I'm shakin' in my boots), BUT
the good news is that it is probably the episode Cat consulted on. So those ofyou who want
to can enjoy spotting for Cat's input and we can all laugh our butts off at the mistakes.

Melissa

(Thanks! This show was unusual in my years of doin consultations, in that the script was "carved in stone" and no variance was to be allowed for uprgading the information to a reasonable level of accuracy. A veve of Erzulie, huh? Hoo-boy. Well, maybe fate will be merciful and they won't have used the LMCCo candles after all.

--cat)

Unread post by **Raven Nightmyst** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:36 pm

Just a Head's Up...

I'm not sure if the Bones program on this evening is the right one, or not. It's titled "The Man in The Morgue". Apparently they are dealing with a "VooDoo" (sp) woman in New Orleans at the time of Katrina. I'd guess it may be semi-amusing whether or not it's the one featuring our fearless leader's products.

Happy viewing.

Kate

(That'd be it! Please, someone, tape this! I am curious, as always.... --cat)

Unread post by **Honeybeelight** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:09 pm

I don't want to be discouraging, but I watched this, and the only thing it *didn't* have was
the villian snarling "I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling
kids."

I am too cheap for cable, so my set kept punching in and out, but I don't think they ever
used the word "hoodoo" at all. It was all about "voodoo," and because this isn't a voodoo
list I won't go into the screaming howlers I caught there. They did refer to a mojo bag-put
in a corpse's mouth, I believe--but unless I missed something, it looked like it was a
plastic baggie. I think Cat's contribution can mainly be seen in the furnishing of the
"voodoo" shop in the show, but they threw in a few other things, including a couple of
Haitian-style lwa bottles with sequins on 'em.

The script managed somehow to have the lead character say something like "you're just
prejudiced by Judeo-Christian notions of morality" and even though she was perfectly
serious, it was obvious that the viewer was supposed to think this was BS. Pretty slick, I
thought, to have the character actually *say* something open but to have everyone else
rolling their eyes.

It also slipped in the idea that if you don' t believe in voodoo, it can't
hurt you. "You *do* believe in it! -- It's got ahold of you!" I think Cat's called this the Alice
in Wonderland belief, but I think of it as like what the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy says
about the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal: "a creature so mind-bogglingly stupid that
it thinks that if you can't see it, it can't see you."

Let 'em live in ignorance.

I didn't see any LMCo logos, but then, my reception is really cruddy.

Melissa A.

Ashe Winterwolf · Unread post by **Ashe Winterwolf** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:13 pm

Hello everyone,
I do more reading than posting, but I caught this Bones episode. I'm too new to know how accurate it was, but it was entertaining. I'm curious, they mentioned the bokor and a group called Sec Rouge. I know that bokers exist, but what is Sec Rouge? Does it really exist?
It seemed the episode was more focus on magic as it is associated with Vodou rather than Hoodoo perse, that, or they were using the words Hoodoo and Vodou interchangibly.
Take care,
Denise

Unread post by **Auntie Sindy Todo** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:20 pm

Hey Cat,
I hung up the phone and ran to the TV last night to tune into the
Bone's show last night. I'm sorry, but I just couldn't watch it too
long. The main character's just suck and they were so silly with
unbelievable contrived behavior. However, I saw your touch here and
there and really tried to study the backqround for products etc. The
shop where they went in the beginning to find out about the spell
looked really good. I ran to my HRHM book (like a good girl) to qualify
what "Black Mud Root" as I think they referred to it in the show was.
And assumed they meant "Black Root"...to get rid of Live things in you.
Unfortunately, I didn't watch long enough to see if that gal, Bones,
puked up anything. I went downstairs to heat up gumbo and my TV just
wouldn't tune it in. But I tried. Maybe someone else caught more than I
did. X-Sindy

Unread post by **ocsana13** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:31 pm

Oh no, I didn't get to see the episode. Is it repeated or is there anyway I can get a copy of it?
sanchez

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Unread post by **Honeybeelight** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:33 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Sindy Todo" <sindytodomojo@...> wrote:
> >
> Hey Cat,
> I hung up the phone and ran to the TV last night to tune into the
> Bone's show last night. I'm sorry, but I just couldn't watch it too
> long. The main character's just suck and they were so silly with
> unbelievable contrived behavior. However, I saw your touch here and
> there and really tried to study the backqround for products etc. The
> shop where they went in the beginning to find out about the spell
> looked really good. I ran to my HRHM book (like a good girl) to qualify
> what "Black Mud Root" as I think they referred to it in the show was.
> And assumed they meant "Black Root"...to get rid of Live things in you.
> Unfortunately, I didn't watch long enough to see if that gal, Bones,
> puked up anything.

It was "Black Gum Root," whatever that is. I tried looking it up in HHRM and also on the
web. I got about 5 hits and they were all mentioned in the same breath with cypress
knees. None of the sources were hoodoo-related. In the episode, the "black gum root" is
put into a corpse's mouth along with a chicken foot. What supposedly happened to
"Bones" was "voodoo amnesia". . . whatever that is. I've also never heard of making a mojo
bag with flesh, leather (in the bag), sea shells and a human tooth: if anyone's heard
differently about that particular combo, I'd be really surprised.

Frankly, the episode was sort of incoherent. Here is a link to the episode guide in case
anyone is curious.

http://www.fox.com/bones/episodes/recaps/118.htm

Melissa A.

Unread post by **Raven Nightmyst** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:36 pm

Well, for what it's worth, I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds
this program to be pathetically horrid. I tried...I really did. I
actually watched it more this time than the only other time I "tried
it out". Man, those people can't act.

Strangely, except for a few glass encased candles, a chicken ? foot,
and a few small curios, the only thing I got a good look at looked
like the bottles of Indio's Goofer Dust stacked on a shelf behind them
as they were talking in the shop. I really wanted to see our leader's
stuff out there, right in your face, you know ? It would have been
more interesting to see shelves full of curios with no audio than the
drivel they produce.

My .02...

Kate

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Unread post by **Umbandista** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:40 pm

In a message dated 4/20/2006 4:21:19 PM Pacific Standard Time,
sindytodomojo@yahoo.com writes:

<However, I saw your touch here and
there and really tried to study the backqround for products etc. The
shop where they went in the beginning to find out about the spell
looked really good.>

I looked close but didn't see any of our products in the shop scenes. Cat
reminded me this morning that we sent them a lot of whole master roots, and I
think there may have been a jar of master roots on the counter in the shop,
but it went by really fast. The two mojo bags shown looked nothing like the
ones that we make. Cat thinks she sent them a human tooth so maybe the climatic
"tooth in the mojo bag" scene had the tooth from LMCC! The shop scenes looked
like they were filmed inside the cool old Royal Pharmacy in the French
Quarter, (but it was probably just a set, I have no idea how much of the show was
actually filmed on location). Saw a few other familiar places - The hotel
where the character "Bones" was staying was The Richelieu on Chartres street, a
wonderful place that my husband and I have stayed at many times.

I've never seen this show before and found the plot full of typical
hollywood "voodoo" stereotypes (ritual killings, evil "witch doctors", snakes, etc
etc), and characters were, well, just ridiculous. My husband complained that I
made him watch it (HA HA). Oh well.

Kathy

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Unread post by **ocsana13** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:36 am

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "mdaaron1" <mdaaron@mac.com>
> > --- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Sindy Todo" <sindytodomojo@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Cat,
> > I hung up the phone and ran to the TV last night to tune into the
> > Bone's show last night. I'm sorry, but I just couldn't watch it too
> > long. The main character's just suck and they were so silly with
> > unbelievable contrived behavior. However, I saw your touch here and
> > there and really tried to study the backqround for products etc. The
> > shop where they went in the beginning to find out about the spell
> > looked really good. I ran to my HRHM book (like a good girl) to qualify
> > what "Black Mud Root" as I think they referred to it in the show was.
> > And assumed they meant "Black Root"...to get rid of Live things in you.
> > Unfortunately, I didn't watch long enough to see if that gal, Bones,
> > puked up anything.
>
> It was "Black Gum Root," whatever that is. I tried looking it up in HHRM and
> also on the
> web. I got about 5 hits and they were all mentioned in the same breath with
> cypress
> knees. None of the sources were hoodoo-related. In the episode, the "black gum
> root" is
> put into a corpse's mouth along with a chicken foot. What supposedly happened
> to
> "Bones" was "voodoo amnesia". . . whatever that is. I've also never heard of
> making a mojo
> bag with flesh, leather (in the bag), sea shells and a human tooth: if anyone's
> heard
> differently about that particular combo, I'd be really surprised.
>
> Frankly, the episode was sort of incoherent. Here is a link to the episode guide
> in case
> anyone is curious.
>
> http://www.fox.com/bones/episodes/recaps/118.htm
>
> Melissa A.
>

Hey Melissa A.:

there's a tree grows in the South called a black gum tree (used for making tooth brushes and snuff sticks) along with a tree called a sweet gum tree (used also for making tooth brushes and snuff sticks). As for use in hoodoo, I don't know. the roots of the tree are deep and hard to get to, they don't blow over easily and they're kind of a short branchy tree with knotty wood not good for much but ulitarian things (bean poles, tomato stakes, etc.) sort of like a hackberry tree, the berries are edible but the rest of the tree isn't good for much.

Just some uses from my family.

Gail

Joan · Unread post by **Joan** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:17 pm

Has anyone else seen the movie? Did you notice in the opening scenes Robert Langdon is delivering a lecture on symbolism, and he flashes quickly on a silde that is the same image as that postcard from cat's swastika page.As soon as I saw it in the movie, I recoginzed it.

Just thought you might like to know.

(According to my web logs, that swastika page of mine
http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.html
is consistently in the top 10 accessed pages at Lucky Mojo each month and has been for 10 yars. I would not be surrised if the movie makers encountered the image there, as it also ranks in the top 5 at google for searches on the word "swastika." --cat)

Joan,
who is thoughly charmed with and delighted by her Big Red Brick.

Joan Paulette Dudley

(I'm glad you like it. --cat)

Unread post by **sephirah** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:10 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, Joan <lapiswings@...> wrote:
> >
> Has anyone else seen the movie? Did you notice in the opening
scenes Robert Langdon is delivering a lecture on symbolism, and he
flashes quickly on a silde that is the same image as that postcard
from cat's swastika page.As soon as I saw it in the movie, I
recoginzed it.
> >
> Just thought you might like to know.
>
> (According to my web logs, that swastika page of mine
> http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.html
> is consistently in the top 10 accessed pages at Lucky Mojo each
month and has been for 10 yars. I would not be surrised if the movie
makers encountered the image there, as it also ranks in the top 5 at
google for searches on the word "swastika." --cat)
> >
> Joan,
> who is thoughly charmed with and delighted by her Big Red Brick.
>
> Joan Paulette Dudley
>
> (I'm glad you like it. --cat)
>

I DID!!!! I saw the movie last Sunday in a theatre on the Champs
Elysees. There was still enough daylight left after the movie to
walk back to the Louvre (where I had spent the day) and stand next to
the Pyramid where Robert Langdon stood in the final scene. The
lights had just been turned on. It was beautiful with the Eiffel
Tower twinkling in the background. We had a picnic lunch sitting on
the foundation ruins of Adolf Hitler's berghof below the Eagle's Nest
in Berchtesgaden and walked the underground bunkers to it from Hotel
zum Turken. (Ahem...there are still plenty of big red brick left in
the ruins!!!!!!)

Marion

(And my course book was in my mail when I returned from Europe!!!!)

Unread post by **Rodrigo** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:56 pm

Cat,
I think that the DVD Apprentaship is a grate plan!!!
And im sure that most New Age stores would love to add your DVD unto
there shelfs.
It would be huge, First of it kind!!!

Anyways, I have a question:
"I just watched a movie called 'The Skeleton Key', and in the film
they talk about a Hoodoo Powder, you lay a line of the powder on
your doorstep, so that you can know who your enemies are!"

Is there such a powder as descrived in that film?

(It is Red Brick Dust, See HHRM page 165 -- it is used for protection. I was a consultant on that film (uncredited) and if you look through the archives of this ahoo group at the group web site and search on the phrase "skeleton key" you will find a LOT of posts about the making of the movie, my role in it, and my opinions of its folkloric accuracy and its appeal as a horror film. --cat)

Cat, also wanting to know if you were able to send me a wholesale
catalogue. there is this New Age store opening up near my place. I
spoke to them so much about you and your products, that they would
love to add Lucky Mojo Products to there Shelf!

(To get our wholesale terms, call the shop and ask for a Quicklist and a Wholesale terms to be sent to you (or to their shop address). It is sent by paper, not email. And thanks for your interest in promoting us to the new shop -- that is very kind of you. --cat)

Thanks.
Rodrigo... from Down Under!

Unread post by **Rodrigo** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:21 pm

Hey Cat,

I asked a question a while ago, But i was more then any thing after the way to do the RedBrick dust For Protection!?

Re-Cap:
"I just watched a movie called 'The Skeleton Key', and in the film
they talk about a Hoodoo Powder, you lay a line of the powder on
your doorstep, so that you can know who your enemies are!"

Is there such a powder as descrived in that film?

(It is Red Brick Dust, See HHRM page 165 -- it is used for
protection. I was a consultant on that film (uncredited) and if you look through the archives of this Yahoo group at the group web site and search on the phrase "skeleton key" you will find a LOT of posts about the making of the movie, my role in it, and my opinions of its folkloric accuracy and its appeal as a horror
film. --cat)
........................

Ummmmm, is there any red dust that can be used like in the film???

(Yes, i just explained. It is Red Brick Dust. See HHRM page 165. The instructions are right there, titled "Protection Scrub" -- plus, in the "Additional Uses" section of the entry, you will see a reference to "Oregano" and in the Oregano entry you will see how to use Red Brick Dust in a protection powder. Remember that in the film, they made it much more dramatic than in real life -- the enemies could not cross the line. Yet, dramatic as that sounds, i have seen and heard of similar things happening in real life. Just be aware that you will not see the special effects in real life that you do in a fantasy movie like The Skeleton Key. --cat)

Ps. did you know that your mentioned during the doc of the film, if
you watch the DVD with director comentry they say "that they had
grate help from a grate Hoodoo practitiner Named Catherine
Yronwode!!! (Congratulations)

Also i would like to thank you for been such a grate help to all of
us your Students and The Lucky Mojo Customers. You are a grate Women! Thank You!

May Good Bless You!

Thanks
Rod (down-under)

Unread post by **Lee Canipe** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:13 pm

Some other movies that may be of interest:

1) Daughters of the Dust-- about the Gullah culture of the SC & GA sea
islands.

2) Brother to Brother-- African-American gay life in Harlem. Great
flashback scenes of Harlem Renaissance and Zora Neale Hurston.

3) Holiday Heart-- Ving Rhames as a flaming queen! Great, Great, Great
film about being gay & Christian.

4) Soul Food-- all-star African-American cast shows the trials &
tribulations of a large family in conflict.

5) The Color Purple-- my all time favorite movie. Another all-star
African-American cast. The cinematography, costumes, and historic detail is
breathtaking; and it was filmed in my home state of North Carolina.

6) When the Levees Broke-- by famed director Spike Lee. This documentary
was painful to watch, but absolutely essential for America to see.

Lee Canipe (#398)

(Thank you, Lee. I have added them to the homework page at
http://www.luckymojo.com/homework.html --cat)

Unread post by **mountain_ash78** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:41 pm

On the CW (formerly WB) channel, there is a show called
Supernatural. It is about two brothers that travel around and solve
mysteries that involve, appropriately enough, the supernatural.
Often the show takes things from real folklore and mixes it up with
things that the writers invent.

Well, last night's show had to do with hoodoo and a cross road
ritual. I thought I would share some of the inaccuracies:

1) The cross road ritual the ritual consisted of burying his
picture, a black cat bone and grave yard dirt. The demon appears as
a woman and grants any wish (not a spirit, but a demon). The demon
also had the option of sticking around and making other deals with
people. After 10 years, the demon would come to take your soul to
hell.

2) The show used Robert Johnson's song "Hell Hound on my Trail" as
background music in parts and talked about the legend that he sold
himself. They didn't mention Tommy Johnson. The demon used hell
hounds to collect the souls of the people she made pacts with.

3) Goofer dust was used as protection from the demons. It was used
to draw a line at a threshold and used to draw a circle around people
as protection.

4) Through out the show voodoo and hoodoo were used interchangeably.

Some of these misconceptions are fairly common already, but I thought
the use of goofer dust was particularly weird. Anyway, I thought I
would share this since you mentioned hearing a lot about hoodoo only
working if you believe in after Skeleton Key came out. I doubt this
one episode will have the same impact, but just in case you start
hearing about goofer dust used a protection I thought I would share
were it may have started.

Jason Muck

(Thanks. That is one of the stupidest misunderstandings of conjure work i have yet heard about in the wonderful, wacky world of entertainent. And thanks for the heads-up on the Goofer Dust thing -- we may be hearing about folks using Goofer Dust for protection for years and years to come, and if so, it's good to be able to nail down where that dumb story started. --cat)

Unread post by **Bekk31** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:23 am

On the CW (formerly WB) channel, there is a show called
Supernatural. It is about two brothers that travel around and solve
mysteries that involve, appropriately enough, the supernatural.
Often the show takes things from real folklore and mixes it up with
things that the writers invent.

Well, last night's show had to do with hoodoo and a cross road
ritual. I thought I would share some of the inaccuracies:

1) The cross road ritual - the ritual consisted of burying his
picture, a black cat bone and grave yard dirt. The demon appears as
a woman and grants any wish (not a spirit, but a demon). The demon
also had the option of sticking around and making other deals with
people. After 10 years, the demon would come to take your soul to
hell.

2) The show used Robert Johnson's song "Hell Hound on my Trail" as
background music in parts and talked about the legend that he sold
himself. They didn't mention Tommy Johnson. The demon used hell
hounds to collect the souls of the people she made pacts with.

3) Goofer dust was used as protection from the demons. It was used
to draw a line at a threshold and used to draw a circle around people
as protection.

4) Through out the show voodoo and hoodoo were used interchangeably.

Some of these misconceptions are fairly common already, but I thought
the use of goofer dust was particularly weird. Anyway, I thought I
would share this since you mentioned hearing a lot about hoodoo only
working if you believe in after Skeleton Key came out. I doubt this
one episode will have the same impact, but just in case you start
hearing about goofer dust used a protection I thought I would share
were it may have started.

Jason Muck

(Thanks. That is one of the stupidest misunderstandings of conjure work i
have yet heard about in the wonderful, wacky world of entertainent. And
thanks for the heads-up on the Goofer Dust thing -- we may be hearing about
folks using Goofer Dust for protection for years and years to come, and if
so, it's good to be able to nail down where that dumb story started. --cat)

Interesting.. Supernatural is one of my favorite shows.

I taped it and haven't gotten to watch that one yet.
It's always a good watch, but Hollywood monkeys around with pretty much
everything so make things spookier than they really are. Kind of like you
were saying about the skeleton key.
Holly was telling me she went into laughing fits in the theater when they
showed the guy with all the coon dongs around his neck.

Niki #794

Unread post by **DMarshell** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:26 am

Jason Muck wrote:

On the CW (formerly WB) channel, there is a show called
Supernatural.

[...] last night's show had to do with hoodoo and a cross road
ritual. I thought I would share some of the inaccuracies:

[...] 3) Goofer dust was used as protection from the demons. It was
used to draw a line at a threshold and used to draw a circle around
people as protection.

Jason Muck

(Thanks. That is one of the stupidest misunderstandings of conjure work i have yet heard about in the wonderful, wacky world of entertainent. And thanks for the heads-up on the Goofer Dust thing -- we may be hearing about folks using Goofer Dust for protection for years and years to come, and if so, it's good to be able to nail down where that dumb story started. --cat)

-----

Jason,

I saw that episode too! At first I was excited that they were using Hoodoo elements in it, then I saw how much they mutilated those elements.

My husband was watching with me and asked if Goofer Dust was really used for protection. I had to explain what Goofer Dust was really used for. Then he asked me why they would pick Goofer Dust as a protectent. I said: "It's Hollywood, the place where intellectual integrity is optional."

Namaste,

Denise

Unread post by **Lisa Mertz** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:11 pm

Hi Cat & All,

Last night I watched the film "Apprentice to Murder" per your recommendation. I thought it was pretty cool, particularly the scene where Billy nails down the sheet over Reese with big knives... I got a DVD version with Sutherland on the cover. Apparently, there's another version with a naked woman and a satanic figure that have nothing to do with the actual plot or characters of the film, who's idea was that I wonder.

I'm looking forward to the eventual CD and DVD collection at luckymojo -- for sale to the public, I'm assuming? I too have a folklorist in me who's in love with stories about conjuring, spiritism, healing and magic.

Cheers!

Lisa Mertz #931

Unread post by **Quimbisero** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:38 am

Any good recommendations for worthwhile films dealing with the subject
of Hoodoo and Rootwork? I am referring to either documentaries or
dramas which do not go the horror or psychological thriller route.

Eoghan

(We've discussed this in the past. There have been mentions of hoodoo in various non-horror African-American-centered drama and comedy films, e.g. "Harlem Nights" with Eddie Murphy and Redd Foxx, and Spike Lee's "He Got Game" -- but i know of no scholarly or popular documentaries, either current or historical. That's why siva and i are getting the Yronwode Institution for the Preservation and Popularizatin of Indigenous Ethnomagicology (YIPPIE) its non-profit status -- our first project is to apply for grant money to get a documentary film funded! Please call me if you want to brainstorm this idea; i have considered you an essential member of the project team from the moment i conceived of the idea. I want to see you in that tweedy-looking academic head-shot in your book-lined study! (Just kidding.) (Kinda.) --cat)

Unread post by **Sister Jacqueline** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:55 pm

This was from a previous thread but...

I ordered the soundtrack of the Skeleton Key and track 15 is called
"Conjure of Sacrifice" and it starts with african drumming and Papa
Justify's words from the 78 that Kate Hudson found in the attic.

This was probably looped into something a Dj mixed for the club that
another member went to and heard.

The soundtrack is put out by Varese Sarabande
(www.VareseSarabande.com) and I got it off of ebay.

Now we know...

Jackie 496

Unread post by **Inominandum** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:21 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Quimbisero" <quimbisa@...> wrote:
> >
> Any good recommendations for worthwhile films dealing with the
subject
> > of Hoodoo and Rootwork? I am referring to either documentaries or
> dramas which do not go the horror or psychological thriller route.
>
> Eoghan

Its not a movie sighting, but a four issue comic book called "Cross
Bronx" just ended this month. It centers around a Latino cop who
investigates the murders of several gang-bangers that it turns out
are being purpetrated by the ghost of a woman in a coma whose
Grandmother is some kind of Santera/Palera.

Far from presenting a very negative view of Santeria/Palo ala "The
Believers" it explores the differences between justice as carried
out by society and Divine justice dealt out by pratitioners.

It doesnt get to deep into things, but it touches upon it in neat
ways. For instance the gun they find at the scene of the first
crime that they think is covered in blood, they actually find is
covered in red wax mixed with Palo Amargo. Images of St Barbara
abound etc...

Jason Muck

(Thanks for the citing, albeit not hoodoo, it will be of interest to many of us. By the way, i hope you Jason Muck and not some other Jason -- i am too tired to look your surname up and you didn;t sign it. --cat)

Unread post by **Indigoviolet** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:25 pm

>Any good recommendations for worthwhile films dealing
>with the subject
of Hoodoo and Rootwork? I am referring to either
documentaries or
dramas which do not go the horror or psychological
thriller route.

> >Eoghan

I don't know if it's been mentioned or not, but
Midnight In The Garden Of Good And Evil had some nice
hoodoo scenes (in the graveyard buying dirt with
dimes, talking nicely about the spirit to gain favor,
fixin' a judge, etc.)

K Koesler

(Yes, it has been mentioned, but thanks for the reminder, for those who have not gone through the archives. --cat)

Unread post by **Evan Ladoux** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:35 pm

(... There have been mentions of hoodoo in various
non-horror African-American-centered drama and comedy films, e.g. "Harlem Nights" with Eddie Murphy and Redd Foxx, and Spike Lee's "He Got Game" -- but i know of no scholarly or popular documentaries, either current or historical. That's why siva and i are getting the Yronwode Institution for the Preservation and Popularization of Indigenous Ethnomagicology (YIPPIE) its non-profit status -- our first project is to apply for grant money to get a documentary film funded! Please call me if you want to brainstorm this idea; i have considered you an essential member of the project team from the moment i conceived of the idea. I want to see you in that tweedy-looking academic head-shot in your book-lined study! (Just kidding.) (Kinda.) --cat)

Happy New Year everyone.

As some of you may know, I'm a screenwriter and one of the films I'm developing a spec script for, has Hoodoo in its central fabric. I've entertained a few approaches and storylines, but for the most part, I'm thinking of a thriller-comedy, two genres that would seem to contradict each other - which is what can make it interesting "if done well". Mixing genres can be very dimensional.

I would be happy to contribute to your documentary project writing-wise, but also and especially in the area of the soundtrack (blues guitar ).

(Thanks for the offer, Evan; i will keep it in mind. I wish you the best of luck as well with your own screenplay. --cat)

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:07 AM
To: hrcourse@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hrc] Movie citings

Any good recommendations for worthwhile films dealing with the subject
of Hoodoo and Rootwork? I am referring to either documentaries or
dramas which do not go the horror or psychological thriller route.

Eoghan

(We've discussed this in the past.

Renee Dooley · Unread post by **Renee Dooley** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:46 pm

" To Sleep with Anger " by writer/director Charles
Burnett , is a wonderful film from the 90's, starring
Danny Glover, Mary Alice and many other folks I can't
remember. The film starts with the patriarch of the
family losing the toby his Grandmother made him.
Glover gives a low-key menacing performance as the
trickster / troublemaking friend from the old days
'down home' . Not a horror flick, just a nice little
independant film well worth watching. Renee (760)

Deborah · Unread post by **Deborah** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:49 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Quimbisero" <quimbisa@...> wrote:
> >
> Any good recommendations for worthwhile films dealing with the
subject
> > of Hoodoo and Rootwork? I am referring to either documentaries or
> dramas which do not go the horror or psychological thriller route.
>
> Eoghan
>
> (We've discussed this in the past. There have been mentions of
hoodoo in various non-horror African-American-centered drama and
comedy films, e.g. "Harlem Nights" with Eddie Murphy and Redd Foxx,
and Spike Lee's "He Got Game" -- but i know of no scholarly or
popular documentaries, either current or historical. That's why siva
and i are getting the Yronwode Institution for the Preservation and
Popularizatin of Indigenous Ethnomagicology (YIPPIE) its non-profit
status -- our first project is to apply for grant money to get a
documentary film funded! Please call me if you want to brainstorm
this idea; i have considered you an essential member of the project
team from the moment i conceived of the idea. I want to see you in
that tweedy-looking academic head-shot in your book-lined study!
(Just kidding.) (Kinda.) --cat)
> >

Some good movies include: To Sleep With Anger, and Eve's Bayou.

Deborah · Unread post by **Deborah** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:49 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Quimbisero" <quimbisa@...> wrote:
> >
> Any good recommendations for worthwhile films dealing with the
subject
> > of Hoodoo and Rootwork? I am referring to either documentaries or
> dramas which do not go the horror or psychological thriller route.
>
> Eoghan
>
> (We've discussed this in the past. There have been mentions of
hoodoo in various non-horror African-American-centered drama and
comedy films, e.g. "Harlem Nights" with Eddie Murphy and Redd Foxx,
and Spike Lee's "He Got Game" -- but i know of no scholarly or
popular documentaries, either current or historical. That's why siva
and i are getting the Yronwode Institution for the Preservation and
Popularizatin of Indigenous Ethnomagicology (YIPPIE) its non-profit
status -- our first project is to apply for grant money to get a
documentary film funded! Please call me if you want to brainstorm
this idea; i have considered you an essential member of the project
team from the moment i conceived of the idea. I want to see you in
that tweedy-looking academic head-shot in your book-lined study!
(Just kidding.) (Kinda.) --cat)
> >

Some good movies include: To Sleep With Anger, and Eve's Bayou.

l7hair · Unread post by **l7hair** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:25 pm

--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Studio One" <studioonefloral@...>
wrote:
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> This was from a previous thread but...
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> I ordered the soundtrack of the Skeleton Key and track 15 is called
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> Jackie 496
>

That reminds me...

Cat, did you ever get the Skeleton Key movie poster I sent a while back?

Laura Hair #555

(Oh, YES! I did -- and i am so sorry i forgot to send you a thank-you note! The poster came right at the moment that siva and i were tearing our office apart and installing new desks ... and things haven't really settled down since then. It was a real treat to get that poster. I look back on my work with the "Skeleton key" movie with a mixture of enthusiasm and cynicism -- enthusiasm for the project and for the opportunity to help out an get pid for it, cynicism because after signing a contract that guaranteed my name would be in the credits, they "forgot" and left me out. Meanwhile, i have been approached by two other movie people -- one is a screenwriter who wants to do a chick flick about "witches in the wine country" (i..e. where we live) and thought that Ferne and i could add some local witchy lore; the other is a young man making an indie horror film about axe murders who wanted me to give him some "typical East Texas death spells" -- for which i obliged him as best i could. It's always fun and games here in movie-consultation land.!

Again, thanks for the poster! --cat)

Unread post by **Sister Jacqueline** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:21 pm

Gang,

Haven't heard a peep from anyone on meeting on Monday. This would be
the greater No California areas' second meeting. Wh get together, mett
and eat (you pay your way) and share stories and cures. Now, I know
everyone has been busy, but for some who might have to travel a great
distance, it might not be wroth the gas if only two people show up.

Can I have a show of hands by Thursday morning who mgith consider
coming? This way I can let the restaurant know to expect us. Only
fair, ya know.

Jackie Mathers 496