Dr. Kioni writes:
> >> Beginning Feb 20th, the Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour resumes broadcasting with a new format.
> >> After a year long hiatus, cat and I will host pre-recorded live readings with actual clients.
> >> Internet web cast time is 10PM Wed evenings same as before.
Two questions:
Is that 10pm EST?
Will it be coming over the Dr. Kioni Positive Vibes Radio toolbar?
(Yes and yes. --cat)
Robert Paulson (#963)
Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour #08-01: Break-Up Home (Miss Cat, Dr. Kioni)
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Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour 02/20/2008 Break Up a Home
I have it from Dr. Kioni that the way to tune into the radio
show tonight is this easy:
use a browser and go to
http://www.drkioni.com
look for the link on the left of the screen:
Hoodoo Radio
and follow the directions to listen to the show
which starts at
7pm Pacific Time, 10pm Eastern time.
good luck!
nagasiva, student #000, G
nagasiva@luckymojo.com
show tonight is this easy:
use a browser and go to
http://www.drkioni.com
look for the link on the left of the screen:
Hoodoo Radio
and follow the directions to listen to the show
which starts at
7pm Pacific Time, 10pm Eastern time.
good luck!
nagasiva, student #000, G
nagasiva@luckymojo.com
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Re: Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour #08-01: Break-Up Home (Miss Cat, Dr. Kioni)
LUCKY MOJO HOODOO ROOTWORK RADIO HOUR
February 20, 2008 LIVE SESSION: BREAK UP HOME with client Jasmine
[MUSIC INTRO: Jug Band Waltz by Will Shade and the Memphis Jug Band. Station ID and intro of Miss Cat by Dr. Kioni.]
DR. KIONI: It's wonderful to be back on the air again, sharing the traditional teachings of African-American herbal magic. It's been a year since we were last on the air, so please tell us how you've been, and then we can explain our new format and introduce our special guest for the evening.
MISS CAT: A very busy year for us. Expanded shelving in shop, though no more floor space. But more customers!
New grandson, Max, one year old on 2/16.
DR. KIONI: Miss Cat, will you introduce our new format?
MISS CAT: In the past, we've had shows on specific topics: different types of spells, or different aspects of the history and development of conjure (hoodoo). We have also had open call-in shows.
This year we are going to do something different: one client each week. Dr. Kioni will be doing a divination, and I will be doing the prescribing, though there will probably be some overlap. Normally, we both do each of these things, but tonight we're going to split our duties up that way. This is our first time out, so wish us luck.
DR. KIONI: Jasmine, are you there?
JASMINE: Hello. How are you?
DR. KIONI: It is so good to have you here for this, the first broadcast of its kind. Tonight, we will actually diagnose your problem -- do a magical remediation assessment -- live, on the World Wide Web and on radio station 93.9 stereo DrKioni.com, here in Port St. John, FL. I am familiar with the issue you are facing, since you and I have already been working together for several months. Please give [the listeners] some background on your situation, and tell us what state you live in, if you wish.
JASMINE [Greeting Miss Cat]: I live in Maryland. My significant other, Sebastian, is married. I was wondering if Dr. Kioni had an update on my situation. Any movement, change, progression?
DR. KIONI: Give us some more background, please, so our listeners can understand your situation. How long have you and Sebastian been seeing each other?
JASMINE: About 10 years.
DR. KIONI: And he lives with you most of the time?
JASMINE: That is correct.
DR. KIONI: So what is it you want to do?
JASMINE: Something is preventing him from coming all the way to me; he wants to, but something is holding him back. At first he gave financial reasons: "If I leave, I'll have nothing." But now he uses his kids as an excuse -- "My kids will hate me." Yet he wants to be with me, is relaxed when we are together.
DR. KIONI: For the past several months, you've been telling me that Sebastian has given you this answer every time you ask him about it, so he is probably telling the truth. What we want Miss Cat to tell us tonight is how to move him off center with regard to his phobia, how to help them decide to come to you.
For the past several months, the cards have been encouraging, despite lack of progress. Tonight, the cards show that new information will soon be available (Ace of Swords. In this deck, the Ace of Swords is a timing card, so this indicates a state of transition, too). Next, Hanged Man reversed, in Present position. This indicates movement ending the stalemate. Strength card is in Future position: have confidence. Associated with Leo the Lion, indicating that aggressive action is called for. Now, I know you want him to leave his wife. "All's fair in love and war," right?
MISS CAT: Well, yes, especially because Jasmine has him most of the time. She isn't just a once-a-month or weekend fling. He's got to move forward or go back.
DR. KIONI: Yes, you either "do it" or get off the pot, you know what I mean?
JASMINE: I agree.
DR. KIONI: in my "natural mind," I would say you need to move on -- but the cards actually say there's hope. You will need tremendous fortitude, faith, confidence. The fourth [Outcome] card is the 4 of Pentacles, reversed, showing an upset, a breaking of that foundation. It's going to crumble. [Note: for those who don't have a Tarot deck handy, the Rider-Waite Four of Pentacles -- which I call the "Miser" card -- can be seen here: http://tinyurl.com/ytpzku -- A shabby little king hanging on desperately to what little he's got. -- MCM]
How do we get there, Cat?
MISS CAT: I'm going to ask a few more questions.
DR. KIONI: I'm going to turn more cards while you do so.
MISS CAT: Strength card and Hanged Man reversed are very important. That man has to come "un-hung"! Strength card shows the power to open and close; some decks show her closing the lion's jaws; and in some versions, she is opening those jaws. The lady controls the lion, either way you look at it! Just as [in the book of Daniel] the Lord locked the lion's jaws, this card shows overcoming by true fortitude and faith. Reminds me of a pinup card I used to own, a lady dressed as a circus performer with a tiger standing next to her. Same size as tarot card; I put it in my deck, as the Strength card, because it said something to me about how women can triumph. And if you know Taoist sexual alchemy, the tiger is the female. The Hindu goddess Durga, whom my husband calls "the Big Mamma Cop," who is like a female police officer, protecting heaven from all attacks, rides a lion or tiger. In short, this card shows that you do have the strength needed to triumph.
This woman Sebastian is married to -- how many children do they have together?
JASMINE: Two.
MISS CAT: And how old are they?
JASMINE: I'm going to say 13 and 15.
MISS CAT: And this is been going on for 10 years. The longest this situation could go on is till the youngest is 18 -- five or six years -- and if he doesn't come to you then, he never will come. I'm not saying you have to wait five years, but that is your outermost limit. When I'm doing love work where there's any kind of timing issue or delay, I always ask, "How long can this woman be expected to wait?" In this case, you've waited 10 years, you might have to wait five more at the most -- and of course, we want it to move faster.
Have you done any kind of aggressive work to break them up?
JASMINE: Yes, I have.
MISS CAT: You've done a breakup spell?
JASMINE: Yes. I've done a bottle spell, and Dr. Kioni and I have done several spells also. I've done at least 15 spells on that woman.
MISS CAT: And none of this has moved the situation?
JASMINE: Well, yes -- Dr. Kioni and I have been working on this for about two years. I didn't start seeing real change until I came to him, because there were underlying issues in our situation that I could not even see. These had to be resolved first.
MISS CAT: That's good to hear. However, the wife, the mother of the children, has power on her side that is difficult to break. If they had had children together, but no marriage -- or marriage but no children -- it might've been easier to break up. You know she's got some stuff on him and you know she can work it. She also has opportunities to work against you -- specially, for instance, if she finds one of your stray hairs on his clothing after a visit with you; if she knows it's your hair, she can put you in a bottle, too.
JASMINE: I agree, but since I've been working with Dr. Kioni, I don't think that's going to be an issue.
MISS CAT: You've got her tied up?
JASMINE: Yes.
MISS CAT: That's good. I don't like to take a case on until all the loose ends have been taken care of, and the first loose end is: protect yourself. So you've been doing ongoing protection -- you've got to keep that up, because she will work against you as steadily as you work against her. Even if she knew nothing about magic, she would still have a strong heart to fight for her family. I believe she knows what's going on here, too.
When you are working steadily against someone, you must protect yourself steadily. The second step is to bind her or reverse her work back onto her. You have done that too.
DR. KIONI: Yes, she visited me here, and we did a lot of work together.
MISS CAT: The next thing is to ask about him. Please forgive me if I am being too blunt or harsh: some men just do want to be bigamous and have two wives. Has any divination ever shown that he just wants to have two women?
DR. KIONI: No. Cards show that he loves Jasmine.
MISS CAT: I ask because in many cases, the woman is not only fighting against the wife, but against the man's real desires, too.
Have you made some kind of spell to bind him to you? A nation sack, a honey jar?
JASMINE: I have a nation sack under my bed.
MISS CAT: Good. It's my belief -- Spirit tells me -- that he is still with her only for the sake of the children. He's not looking to her for sex -- you give him most of what he wants. Naturally, the wife is working that angle, and his guilt. Some men are so responsible that they cannot let go of one responsibility when a new one comes to them. For him, it's going to feel like no one has ever gotten divorced before.
JASMINE: The funny thing is -- as long as we've been together -- I've never asked him to leave her. I'm not going to, either, because I don't want to be the homewrecker.
MISS CAT: You are a very, very wise woman. "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." That should be your strategy. But I sense you are strong, determined, and you will win.
That bottle spell -- were you able to bury it where they had to walk over it?
JASMINE: No. In fact, I still have it in my house, where I can work it sometimes. Whenever I get angry and cry, I'll shake it real hard. I have a long list of spells that I've done about this: the Enemy Move bottle, a couple of separation spells, tied nature spells, banishing spells, faithfulness spells, [I've buried his] underwear in the backyard, revenge, Follow Me, the spell where you prick the candle at midnight
MISS CAT: You really know your business!
DR. KIONI: Actually, we have not thrown heavy-duty stuff at this. I am a Palero, so we could bust the situation up really bad. We have talked about it. However, tonight's cards really do support this move, which surprises me. I have laid out two more four-card spreads.
One [spread] concerns the way in which this breakup will take place. I see that money will be at the center of this breakup: 9 of Pentacles reversed. Page of Pentacles also reversed, Present position. Future: 3 of Swords -- just what we want to see! Outcome: World/Universe card, which indicates an open playing field -- he's available once again.
Re: his feelings for you: there was a point at which he did not want to act. Remember, during this period I told you "he needs to grow a new set of balls." Sure enough, but 7 of Wands reversed is in the Past position. However, the Death card turns up in the Present position. That's good: shows change. Justice card is in Future position! Outcome: 6 of Cups, reversed. May be more of a mental projection on his part: he may simply be worried about being unhappy when his present marriage breaks up. But remember, a reversed card can be turned right side up, so to speak, by the application of the right magic.
MISS CAT: The 6 of Cups (reversed) does concern me; he is definitely afraid of making the wrong choice.
How badly do you want to hurt this lady? Personally, I don't think it would be justified. She's fighting for her home and family. I don't think she signed up to be a bitch.
JASMINE: I disagree. She is evil, a devil in disguise, has tried to "dibble-dabble" [interfered, made Sebastian miserable, aside from what she has done to Jasmine? -- MCM].
MISS CAT: I always handicap a married woman a hundred points, because, after all she does have the commitment, the license, and the children. If you are certain she does not have right on her side and she really is that evil, then you might be right to do the harsh work Dr. Kioni recommends, which I would be reluctant to do.
Work that bottle spell more often, and if at all possible, deploy it in a more traditional way, so they -- or she -- walk over it. A good sneaky trick: take a tiny, fragile bottle, such as a medical vial [like those shown here: http://www.chsir.com/images/chinaigf-1.jpg -- cat], fill that with a tiny bottle spell, and place it under the front or rear tire of her car, so that when she starts her car she will drive right over it and crush it. Do this if you cannot bury the original bottle under her doorstep, which is the traditional way. That way, every time she walks over it, it will cause her pain.
Do you ever see the children at your place?
Miss JASMINE: I have never, ever seen the children at all.
MISS CAT: So now I ought to ask you why. So he only ever goes there [his wife's home] to see the children? This is important. So the children don't even know you're in the picture?
Miss JASMINE: The only person who knows is his mother.
MISS CAT: What does his mother have to say?
JASMINE: She wants whatever makes him happy.
MISS CAT: Have you met his mother?
JASMINE: I have not met his mother.
MISS CAT: Well, there is an ally you have not tapped yet. Put her in a honey jar, with him, you, and the children. Go to her in her dreams, and ask her to "whisper wise counsel in your son's ear."
He was raised to be right, to be a good person, and is afraid of making a serious mistake. He must never, ever discover that you are trying to take down his wife, because that would be far worse than you telling him outright to leave her. You have got to take her down so quietly that he never notices. Lay down protection of your privacy whenever you work against her: salt in the four corners of the room, with the prayer that no spirit may enter and see what you are doing. Or four bay leaves, or four Indian head pennies laid down the same way, or agar-agar -- there are many methods. Make sure you pray that you not be seen in the spiritual realm, not just that no one walk in on you while you are working.
Do you feed him your "stuff"?
JASMINE: Yes.
MISS CAT: Keep it up. This is a siege. Keep in mind that he is afraid of causing too much sorrow. In a way, your strength has been working against you: it has enabled you to let him get away with things that many women would not put up with. Most woman would have laid down an ultimatum long ago.
I don't think it's going to take five years. The financial angle that Dr. Kioni unveiled is very interesting; you might want to work that. Does he ever place cash money in your hand?
JASMINE: All the time.
MISS CAT: Take some of it -- a small bill will do -- and say, "I receive this from his hand, let it be a bond between us. He will be responsible and look out for me financially." This will be powerful because responsibility means so much to him. You know those breakup spells that you do with a photograph or piece of paper with names on it, cutting the two parties apart -- do that on a piece of money that he has given you.
JASMINE: Sebastian and I have many investments together, but nothing can be in his name until he has made this decision about his marriage. When they pay out -- soon -- we will never have to work again. But everything is in my name. So he fears that, if he comes to me, he will be a kept man. In fact, he even fears that when all this money comes in, I won't need him anymore.
MISS CAT: And this is where your strength works against you. You can balance this out by putting some money that you have earned yourself into that nation sack, saying "I match you coin for coin, dollar for dollar." Let him know, in the spirit, that you will be completely fair and just. Remember, the Justice card did turn up. A little practical psychology: do you have a will?
JASMINE: Yes.
MISS CAT: Is he named in that will?
JASMINE: No.
MISS CAT: Does he have a will?
JASMINE: I'm pretty sure he does.
MISS CAT: And you are not named in that will?
JASMINE: No.
MISS CAT: Write out a paper explaining that your investments were made together, both of you sign it, and put in a safe deposit box.
JASMINE: I did something better than that: I said, "Let's involve your mother as a beneficiary." Now, who does that? Money is a necessity, but not the be-all and end-all of life. When I tell him that, he looks at me like I simply don't understand.
MISS CAT [laughing]: Well, he is afraid of strife. Remember that Death card in the Present position: he's afraid he won't be able to make this transition and still be himself. The fear that accompanies the Death card is that you will lose your identity. But you have already gone farther than halfway to meet him. You are a grand lady.
We've said a lot about his weaknesses, but he must have strengths, or you would not be attracted to him.
JASMINE: If he does decide to come to me, I don't want him to be a zombie about it. I don't want him to lose his confidence or his swagger.
MISS CAT: You want him to remain a manly man, not become a sheep.
JASMINE: Right. But if he decides for his family, I wish them the best.
MISS CAT: You will start seeing movement when your investments pay off. Be ready! Dress and fix everything in your house -- houseplants, everything. When he comes into your house, make sure the space has been made sacred to the two of you.
DR. KIONI: Miss Cat, please elaborate for the audience?
MISS CAT: Stick your photo and his together with honey, and pin them together with two crisscrossed pins. Color photocopies, reduced in size, are easier to work with than conventional photo paper. Write your names and birth dates on the back of each photo, baptize each picture while naming the person on it, praying "let them be together, let them be joined, let them be in love, love and kiss." (If you have only a photo of the two of you, fold it in half so that the faces are touching; pin it together as described above.) For added secrecy, you can reduce the photos to slightly smaller than the width of a piece of duct tape, and tape them to something; for instance, you can load a candlestick with them. If pins make this impossible, you can sew the pictures together instead -- or even crochet the edges together, something they used to do in the old days (make holes around edge and crochet through them with pearl cotton). Make sure that the fixed candlestick is on the table during your next romantic candlelight dinner.
Houseplants: [Miss Cat gives Apple spell in HRCC]. By all means, water the houseplant with holy water if you can get it (from a church, or make your own). Or with your tears, since you are trying to improve the situation that has given you grief. As the Apple decomposes, it will nourish the plant, so that your spell becomes part of the plant. Don't try this if you don't have a green thumb -- nothing is worse than having a honey spell die on you! You can also do this when you plant a tree in your yard -- and that tree will stand for your relationship forever.
DR. KIONI: Put some violet leaf in that photograph spell, and a pinch of cinnamon.
MISS CAT: You need a whole violet leaf -- because it is shaped like a heart.
DR. KIONI: When I use violet leaves with photographs, I glue the pictures together.
[Laughter]
MISS CAT: I've always thought that the honey is glue enough. Miss Dara uses fishhooks.
Tie one of his socks to one of yours. Put them under the mattress.
JASMINE: I've done that. [Jasmine has lots of good stuff in her bedroom.]
MISS CAT: So you have bound him good and proper, but the question that needs to be answered is: How hard do you want to strike against the wife?
I recommend putting his mother in a honey jar, or in a house plant. You could even give her a house plant, if she likes them. I don't feel that the wife deserves to die.
[A little growl of disagreement from Jasmine]
MISS CAT: Well, if you want to do that, put her in a coffin -- make a doll baby, baptize it with her name, and tie its hands behind its back, and then tie its feet; then tie its hands to its feet, like a hostage. Take 13 pins or needles and stick them in 13 places in her body. Whether you place them in eyes, nostrils, heart, etc., depends on what your enemy is about. As you place the pins, speak your command -- for example, as you place them in the eyes, "You will never see me," et cetera. This shouldn't be a little toy doll baby; you will have to make it yourself, so that you can stuff it with herbs suitable for attack -- vandal root, patchouli, Spanish moss, red pepper, etc. place it in a coffin -- make it look right, paint it black if necessary -- and bury it in a graveyard. You can even make a tiny headstone with these dates: their wedding date and the date you want him to come to you. You can even write: "Here lies the marriage of [his name] and [her name]." Notice, not "Here lies Miss So-and-so." I'm too lady-hearted to want to do that. However, if she really is evil, I would pray for God's guidance every step of the way. I certainly wouldn't attempt to kill someone on my own. You could pray, "Lord, I have been patient. Let the situation be resolved, even unto her death, if it is Thy will; in Jesus' name, Amen. And if I have done wrong, let me know, and I will ask forgiveness." Never do a death spell without such a prayer.
[MISS CAT and DR. KIONI briefly summarize the results of the readings and the aims and strategy Jasmineshould follow for success.]
Summary transcription by Michaele Maurer
(Thank you so much, Michaele! Your summarized transcriptions bring these radio shows to folks who would not be able to access them otherswise. Your wrk is very much appreciated. --cat)
February 20, 2008 LIVE SESSION: BREAK UP HOME with client Jasmine
[MUSIC INTRO: Jug Band Waltz by Will Shade and the Memphis Jug Band. Station ID and intro of Miss Cat by Dr. Kioni.]
DR. KIONI: It's wonderful to be back on the air again, sharing the traditional teachings of African-American herbal magic. It's been a year since we were last on the air, so please tell us how you've been, and then we can explain our new format and introduce our special guest for the evening.
MISS CAT: A very busy year for us. Expanded shelving in shop, though no more floor space. But more customers!
New grandson, Max, one year old on 2/16.
DR. KIONI: Miss Cat, will you introduce our new format?
MISS CAT: In the past, we've had shows on specific topics: different types of spells, or different aspects of the history and development of conjure (hoodoo). We have also had open call-in shows.
This year we are going to do something different: one client each week. Dr. Kioni will be doing a divination, and I will be doing the prescribing, though there will probably be some overlap. Normally, we both do each of these things, but tonight we're going to split our duties up that way. This is our first time out, so wish us luck.
DR. KIONI: Jasmine, are you there?
JASMINE: Hello. How are you?
DR. KIONI: It is so good to have you here for this, the first broadcast of its kind. Tonight, we will actually diagnose your problem -- do a magical remediation assessment -- live, on the World Wide Web and on radio station 93.9 stereo DrKioni.com, here in Port St. John, FL. I am familiar with the issue you are facing, since you and I have already been working together for several months. Please give [the listeners] some background on your situation, and tell us what state you live in, if you wish.
JASMINE [Greeting Miss Cat]: I live in Maryland. My significant other, Sebastian, is married. I was wondering if Dr. Kioni had an update on my situation. Any movement, change, progression?
DR. KIONI: Give us some more background, please, so our listeners can understand your situation. How long have you and Sebastian been seeing each other?
JASMINE: About 10 years.
DR. KIONI: And he lives with you most of the time?
JASMINE: That is correct.
DR. KIONI: So what is it you want to do?
JASMINE: Something is preventing him from coming all the way to me; he wants to, but something is holding him back. At first he gave financial reasons: "If I leave, I'll have nothing." But now he uses his kids as an excuse -- "My kids will hate me." Yet he wants to be with me, is relaxed when we are together.
DR. KIONI: For the past several months, you've been telling me that Sebastian has given you this answer every time you ask him about it, so he is probably telling the truth. What we want Miss Cat to tell us tonight is how to move him off center with regard to his phobia, how to help them decide to come to you.
For the past several months, the cards have been encouraging, despite lack of progress. Tonight, the cards show that new information will soon be available (Ace of Swords. In this deck, the Ace of Swords is a timing card, so this indicates a state of transition, too). Next, Hanged Man reversed, in Present position. This indicates movement ending the stalemate. Strength card is in Future position: have confidence. Associated with Leo the Lion, indicating that aggressive action is called for. Now, I know you want him to leave his wife. "All's fair in love and war," right?
MISS CAT: Well, yes, especially because Jasmine has him most of the time. She isn't just a once-a-month or weekend fling. He's got to move forward or go back.
DR. KIONI: Yes, you either "do it" or get off the pot, you know what I mean?
JASMINE: I agree.
DR. KIONI: in my "natural mind," I would say you need to move on -- but the cards actually say there's hope. You will need tremendous fortitude, faith, confidence. The fourth [Outcome] card is the 4 of Pentacles, reversed, showing an upset, a breaking of that foundation. It's going to crumble. [Note: for those who don't have a Tarot deck handy, the Rider-Waite Four of Pentacles -- which I call the "Miser" card -- can be seen here: http://tinyurl.com/ytpzku -- A shabby little king hanging on desperately to what little he's got. -- MCM]
How do we get there, Cat?
MISS CAT: I'm going to ask a few more questions.
DR. KIONI: I'm going to turn more cards while you do so.
MISS CAT: Strength card and Hanged Man reversed are very important. That man has to come "un-hung"! Strength card shows the power to open and close; some decks show her closing the lion's jaws; and in some versions, she is opening those jaws. The lady controls the lion, either way you look at it! Just as [in the book of Daniel] the Lord locked the lion's jaws, this card shows overcoming by true fortitude and faith. Reminds me of a pinup card I used to own, a lady dressed as a circus performer with a tiger standing next to her. Same size as tarot card; I put it in my deck, as the Strength card, because it said something to me about how women can triumph. And if you know Taoist sexual alchemy, the tiger is the female. The Hindu goddess Durga, whom my husband calls "the Big Mamma Cop," who is like a female police officer, protecting heaven from all attacks, rides a lion or tiger. In short, this card shows that you do have the strength needed to triumph.
This woman Sebastian is married to -- how many children do they have together?
JASMINE: Two.
MISS CAT: And how old are they?
JASMINE: I'm going to say 13 and 15.
MISS CAT: And this is been going on for 10 years. The longest this situation could go on is till the youngest is 18 -- five or six years -- and if he doesn't come to you then, he never will come. I'm not saying you have to wait five years, but that is your outermost limit. When I'm doing love work where there's any kind of timing issue or delay, I always ask, "How long can this woman be expected to wait?" In this case, you've waited 10 years, you might have to wait five more at the most -- and of course, we want it to move faster.
Have you done any kind of aggressive work to break them up?
JASMINE: Yes, I have.
MISS CAT: You've done a breakup spell?
JASMINE: Yes. I've done a bottle spell, and Dr. Kioni and I have done several spells also. I've done at least 15 spells on that woman.
MISS CAT: And none of this has moved the situation?
JASMINE: Well, yes -- Dr. Kioni and I have been working on this for about two years. I didn't start seeing real change until I came to him, because there were underlying issues in our situation that I could not even see. These had to be resolved first.
MISS CAT: That's good to hear. However, the wife, the mother of the children, has power on her side that is difficult to break. If they had had children together, but no marriage -- or marriage but no children -- it might've been easier to break up. You know she's got some stuff on him and you know she can work it. She also has opportunities to work against you -- specially, for instance, if she finds one of your stray hairs on his clothing after a visit with you; if she knows it's your hair, she can put you in a bottle, too.
JASMINE: I agree, but since I've been working with Dr. Kioni, I don't think that's going to be an issue.
MISS CAT: You've got her tied up?
JASMINE: Yes.
MISS CAT: That's good. I don't like to take a case on until all the loose ends have been taken care of, and the first loose end is: protect yourself. So you've been doing ongoing protection -- you've got to keep that up, because she will work against you as steadily as you work against her. Even if she knew nothing about magic, she would still have a strong heart to fight for her family. I believe she knows what's going on here, too.
When you are working steadily against someone, you must protect yourself steadily. The second step is to bind her or reverse her work back onto her. You have done that too.
DR. KIONI: Yes, she visited me here, and we did a lot of work together.
MISS CAT: The next thing is to ask about him. Please forgive me if I am being too blunt or harsh: some men just do want to be bigamous and have two wives. Has any divination ever shown that he just wants to have two women?
DR. KIONI: No. Cards show that he loves Jasmine.
MISS CAT: I ask because in many cases, the woman is not only fighting against the wife, but against the man's real desires, too.
Have you made some kind of spell to bind him to you? A nation sack, a honey jar?
JASMINE: I have a nation sack under my bed.
MISS CAT: Good. It's my belief -- Spirit tells me -- that he is still with her only for the sake of the children. He's not looking to her for sex -- you give him most of what he wants. Naturally, the wife is working that angle, and his guilt. Some men are so responsible that they cannot let go of one responsibility when a new one comes to them. For him, it's going to feel like no one has ever gotten divorced before.
JASMINE: The funny thing is -- as long as we've been together -- I've never asked him to leave her. I'm not going to, either, because I don't want to be the homewrecker.
MISS CAT: You are a very, very wise woman. "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." That should be your strategy. But I sense you are strong, determined, and you will win.
That bottle spell -- were you able to bury it where they had to walk over it?
JASMINE: No. In fact, I still have it in my house, where I can work it sometimes. Whenever I get angry and cry, I'll shake it real hard. I have a long list of spells that I've done about this: the Enemy Move bottle, a couple of separation spells, tied nature spells, banishing spells, faithfulness spells, [I've buried his] underwear in the backyard, revenge, Follow Me, the spell where you prick the candle at midnight
MISS CAT: You really know your business!
DR. KIONI: Actually, we have not thrown heavy-duty stuff at this. I am a Palero, so we could bust the situation up really bad. We have talked about it. However, tonight's cards really do support this move, which surprises me. I have laid out two more four-card spreads.
One [spread] concerns the way in which this breakup will take place. I see that money will be at the center of this breakup: 9 of Pentacles reversed. Page of Pentacles also reversed, Present position. Future: 3 of Swords -- just what we want to see! Outcome: World/Universe card, which indicates an open playing field -- he's available once again.
Re: his feelings for you: there was a point at which he did not want to act. Remember, during this period I told you "he needs to grow a new set of balls." Sure enough, but 7 of Wands reversed is in the Past position. However, the Death card turns up in the Present position. That's good: shows change. Justice card is in Future position! Outcome: 6 of Cups, reversed. May be more of a mental projection on his part: he may simply be worried about being unhappy when his present marriage breaks up. But remember, a reversed card can be turned right side up, so to speak, by the application of the right magic.
MISS CAT: The 6 of Cups (reversed) does concern me; he is definitely afraid of making the wrong choice.
How badly do you want to hurt this lady? Personally, I don't think it would be justified. She's fighting for her home and family. I don't think she signed up to be a bitch.
JASMINE: I disagree. She is evil, a devil in disguise, has tried to "dibble-dabble" [interfered, made Sebastian miserable, aside from what she has done to Jasmine? -- MCM].
MISS CAT: I always handicap a married woman a hundred points, because, after all she does have the commitment, the license, and the children. If you are certain she does not have right on her side and she really is that evil, then you might be right to do the harsh work Dr. Kioni recommends, which I would be reluctant to do.
Work that bottle spell more often, and if at all possible, deploy it in a more traditional way, so they -- or she -- walk over it. A good sneaky trick: take a tiny, fragile bottle, such as a medical vial [like those shown here: http://www.chsir.com/images/chinaigf-1.jpg -- cat], fill that with a tiny bottle spell, and place it under the front or rear tire of her car, so that when she starts her car she will drive right over it and crush it. Do this if you cannot bury the original bottle under her doorstep, which is the traditional way. That way, every time she walks over it, it will cause her pain.
Do you ever see the children at your place?
Miss JASMINE: I have never, ever seen the children at all.
MISS CAT: So now I ought to ask you why. So he only ever goes there [his wife's home] to see the children? This is important. So the children don't even know you're in the picture?
Miss JASMINE: The only person who knows is his mother.
MISS CAT: What does his mother have to say?
JASMINE: She wants whatever makes him happy.
MISS CAT: Have you met his mother?
JASMINE: I have not met his mother.
MISS CAT: Well, there is an ally you have not tapped yet. Put her in a honey jar, with him, you, and the children. Go to her in her dreams, and ask her to "whisper wise counsel in your son's ear."
He was raised to be right, to be a good person, and is afraid of making a serious mistake. He must never, ever discover that you are trying to take down his wife, because that would be far worse than you telling him outright to leave her. You have got to take her down so quietly that he never notices. Lay down protection of your privacy whenever you work against her: salt in the four corners of the room, with the prayer that no spirit may enter and see what you are doing. Or four bay leaves, or four Indian head pennies laid down the same way, or agar-agar -- there are many methods. Make sure you pray that you not be seen in the spiritual realm, not just that no one walk in on you while you are working.
Do you feed him your "stuff"?
JASMINE: Yes.
MISS CAT: Keep it up. This is a siege. Keep in mind that he is afraid of causing too much sorrow. In a way, your strength has been working against you: it has enabled you to let him get away with things that many women would not put up with. Most woman would have laid down an ultimatum long ago.
I don't think it's going to take five years. The financial angle that Dr. Kioni unveiled is very interesting; you might want to work that. Does he ever place cash money in your hand?
JASMINE: All the time.
MISS CAT: Take some of it -- a small bill will do -- and say, "I receive this from his hand, let it be a bond between us. He will be responsible and look out for me financially." This will be powerful because responsibility means so much to him. You know those breakup spells that you do with a photograph or piece of paper with names on it, cutting the two parties apart -- do that on a piece of money that he has given you.
JASMINE: Sebastian and I have many investments together, but nothing can be in his name until he has made this decision about his marriage. When they pay out -- soon -- we will never have to work again. But everything is in my name. So he fears that, if he comes to me, he will be a kept man. In fact, he even fears that when all this money comes in, I won't need him anymore.
MISS CAT: And this is where your strength works against you. You can balance this out by putting some money that you have earned yourself into that nation sack, saying "I match you coin for coin, dollar for dollar." Let him know, in the spirit, that you will be completely fair and just. Remember, the Justice card did turn up. A little practical psychology: do you have a will?
JASMINE: Yes.
MISS CAT: Is he named in that will?
JASMINE: No.
MISS CAT: Does he have a will?
JASMINE: I'm pretty sure he does.
MISS CAT: And you are not named in that will?
JASMINE: No.
MISS CAT: Write out a paper explaining that your investments were made together, both of you sign it, and put in a safe deposit box.
JASMINE: I did something better than that: I said, "Let's involve your mother as a beneficiary." Now, who does that? Money is a necessity, but not the be-all and end-all of life. When I tell him that, he looks at me like I simply don't understand.
MISS CAT [laughing]: Well, he is afraid of strife. Remember that Death card in the Present position: he's afraid he won't be able to make this transition and still be himself. The fear that accompanies the Death card is that you will lose your identity. But you have already gone farther than halfway to meet him. You are a grand lady.
We've said a lot about his weaknesses, but he must have strengths, or you would not be attracted to him.
JASMINE: If he does decide to come to me, I don't want him to be a zombie about it. I don't want him to lose his confidence or his swagger.
MISS CAT: You want him to remain a manly man, not become a sheep.
JASMINE: Right. But if he decides for his family, I wish them the best.
MISS CAT: You will start seeing movement when your investments pay off. Be ready! Dress and fix everything in your house -- houseplants, everything. When he comes into your house, make sure the space has been made sacred to the two of you.
DR. KIONI: Miss Cat, please elaborate for the audience?
MISS CAT: Stick your photo and his together with honey, and pin them together with two crisscrossed pins. Color photocopies, reduced in size, are easier to work with than conventional photo paper. Write your names and birth dates on the back of each photo, baptize each picture while naming the person on it, praying "let them be together, let them be joined, let them be in love, love and kiss." (If you have only a photo of the two of you, fold it in half so that the faces are touching; pin it together as described above.) For added secrecy, you can reduce the photos to slightly smaller than the width of a piece of duct tape, and tape them to something; for instance, you can load a candlestick with them. If pins make this impossible, you can sew the pictures together instead -- or even crochet the edges together, something they used to do in the old days (make holes around edge and crochet through them with pearl cotton). Make sure that the fixed candlestick is on the table during your next romantic candlelight dinner.
Houseplants: [Miss Cat gives Apple spell in HRCC]. By all means, water the houseplant with holy water if you can get it (from a church, or make your own). Or with your tears, since you are trying to improve the situation that has given you grief. As the Apple decomposes, it will nourish the plant, so that your spell becomes part of the plant. Don't try this if you don't have a green thumb -- nothing is worse than having a honey spell die on you! You can also do this when you plant a tree in your yard -- and that tree will stand for your relationship forever.
DR. KIONI: Put some violet leaf in that photograph spell, and a pinch of cinnamon.
MISS CAT: You need a whole violet leaf -- because it is shaped like a heart.
DR. KIONI: When I use violet leaves with photographs, I glue the pictures together.
[Laughter]
MISS CAT: I've always thought that the honey is glue enough. Miss Dara uses fishhooks.
Tie one of his socks to one of yours. Put them under the mattress.
JASMINE: I've done that. [Jasmine has lots of good stuff in her bedroom.]
MISS CAT: So you have bound him good and proper, but the question that needs to be answered is: How hard do you want to strike against the wife?
I recommend putting his mother in a honey jar, or in a house plant. You could even give her a house plant, if she likes them. I don't feel that the wife deserves to die.
[A little growl of disagreement from Jasmine]
MISS CAT: Well, if you want to do that, put her in a coffin -- make a doll baby, baptize it with her name, and tie its hands behind its back, and then tie its feet; then tie its hands to its feet, like a hostage. Take 13 pins or needles and stick them in 13 places in her body. Whether you place them in eyes, nostrils, heart, etc., depends on what your enemy is about. As you place the pins, speak your command -- for example, as you place them in the eyes, "You will never see me," et cetera. This shouldn't be a little toy doll baby; you will have to make it yourself, so that you can stuff it with herbs suitable for attack -- vandal root, patchouli, Spanish moss, red pepper, etc. place it in a coffin -- make it look right, paint it black if necessary -- and bury it in a graveyard. You can even make a tiny headstone with these dates: their wedding date and the date you want him to come to you. You can even write: "Here lies the marriage of [his name] and [her name]." Notice, not "Here lies Miss So-and-so." I'm too lady-hearted to want to do that. However, if she really is evil, I would pray for God's guidance every step of the way. I certainly wouldn't attempt to kill someone on my own. You could pray, "Lord, I have been patient. Let the situation be resolved, even unto her death, if it is Thy will; in Jesus' name, Amen. And if I have done wrong, let me know, and I will ask forgiveness." Never do a death spell without such a prayer.
[MISS CAT and DR. KIONI briefly summarize the results of the readings and the aims and strategy Jasmineshould follow for success.]
Summary transcription by Michaele Maurer
(Thank you so much, Michaele! Your summarized transcriptions bring these radio shows to folks who would not be able to access them otherswise. Your wrk is very much appreciated. --cat)
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Re: Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour #08-01: Break-Up Home (Miss Cat, Dr. Kioni)
--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "motherkali" <redjasper@...> wrote:
> >
> LUCKY MOJO HOODOO ROOTWORK RADIO HOUR
>
> February 20, 2008
> LIVE SESSION: BREAK UP HOME
> with client Jasmine
>
...
First of all, thank you for the show and thanks for transcribing it!
It is always a joy to read and see how others handle clients in such
a detailed manner.
However I am a bit surprised to see that the option of pulling
the "enemy" to another lover was not mentioned.
(It did not come up in the cards, but if it had, i would have worked along those lines. A separate divination on that issue might have produced results, but we did not get to that in our time. --cat)
The fact that she is probably being aware of the situation would be a
good thing to play upon when pulling her towards another man, new
lover, etc.
If shes feeling scared, (which is usually the case despite the
driving force of anger knowing her husband to have an affair) one
could add to the prayer that she should be emotionally protected and
by this feel comfortable and secure when getting laid with some other
man.
(You have a good point. Notice, though, that i tried to sound the client out on the rights of the wife and she pushed that away, telling me that the woman was a "devil" and had "done so many things" -- so she cut off that avenue of discourse at that time. --cat)
When the husband gets aware of this he would probably leave for the
client, judging from what the reading shows about him.
As you said, Cat, the right on the wifes behalf is 100 points ahead.
And shes being cheated on. Why not help her move on with her life,
and get a better man?
(As you know, she is not my client, or this would have come up long ago between the two of us. However, since i know that Dr. Kioni has been working with her for two years and knows more about the situation than i do, and since she openly opposed any idea of kindness to the wife, i felt it was not my place to interpose. Note also that Kioni offered some "heavy" work to bust up the situation, and the client refused this too! She is walking a middle path, but says she has seen improvements over the past two years, so she is not going to change her course. --cat)
Another thing is to put the bounding, barring and curses on the
husband to keep him away from his family and cut him from them all.
A little carrot and whip trick.
(She already has his nature tied, mnay times over, and he spends most of the time with her, as i understand it, so he is partially barred, only going back to the old home to see his children. --cat)
It would, in my mind, be better than the option of casting a killing
curse on the wife or continue to try and smack her up.
(I don;t think we suggested that: i was told that there was evidence that the wife was using stuff on the querent, so i suggested protection. I was reviewing methods of break-up, trying for her to actually deploy that bottle spell. --cat)
I am aware that the client in this case (or any similar) is not going
to be very happy having her lover bashed up this way and the "enemy"
being worked on positivly, but it might be good options and the
clients pay for the result. (In some impossible cases it seems they
pay for hope rather than results, but thats another story *s*)
What is your take on this?
#321(G)& (GA) Johannes Gardback
(I don't think we were suggesting "bashing up" the husband. --cat)
> >
> LUCKY MOJO HOODOO ROOTWORK RADIO HOUR
>
> February 20, 2008
> LIVE SESSION: BREAK UP HOME
> with client Jasmine
>
...
First of all, thank you for the show and thanks for transcribing it!
It is always a joy to read and see how others handle clients in such
a detailed manner.
However I am a bit surprised to see that the option of pulling
the "enemy" to another lover was not mentioned.
(It did not come up in the cards, but if it had, i would have worked along those lines. A separate divination on that issue might have produced results, but we did not get to that in our time. --cat)
The fact that she is probably being aware of the situation would be a
good thing to play upon when pulling her towards another man, new
lover, etc.
If shes feeling scared, (which is usually the case despite the
driving force of anger knowing her husband to have an affair) one
could add to the prayer that she should be emotionally protected and
by this feel comfortable and secure when getting laid with some other
man.
(You have a good point. Notice, though, that i tried to sound the client out on the rights of the wife and she pushed that away, telling me that the woman was a "devil" and had "done so many things" -- so she cut off that avenue of discourse at that time. --cat)
When the husband gets aware of this he would probably leave for the
client, judging from what the reading shows about him.
As you said, Cat, the right on the wifes behalf is 100 points ahead.
And shes being cheated on. Why not help her move on with her life,
and get a better man?
(As you know, she is not my client, or this would have come up long ago between the two of us. However, since i know that Dr. Kioni has been working with her for two years and knows more about the situation than i do, and since she openly opposed any idea of kindness to the wife, i felt it was not my place to interpose. Note also that Kioni offered some "heavy" work to bust up the situation, and the client refused this too! She is walking a middle path, but says she has seen improvements over the past two years, so she is not going to change her course. --cat)
Another thing is to put the bounding, barring and curses on the
husband to keep him away from his family and cut him from them all.
A little carrot and whip trick.
(She already has his nature tied, mnay times over, and he spends most of the time with her, as i understand it, so he is partially barred, only going back to the old home to see his children. --cat)
It would, in my mind, be better than the option of casting a killing
curse on the wife or continue to try and smack her up.
(I don;t think we suggested that: i was told that there was evidence that the wife was using stuff on the querent, so i suggested protection. I was reviewing methods of break-up, trying for her to actually deploy that bottle spell. --cat)
I am aware that the client in this case (or any similar) is not going
to be very happy having her lover bashed up this way and the "enemy"
being worked on positivly, but it might be good options and the
clients pay for the result. (In some impossible cases it seems they
pay for hope rather than results, but thats another story *s*)
What is your take on this?
#321(G)& (GA) Johannes Gardback
(I don't think we were suggesting "bashing up" the husband. --cat)
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Re: Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour #08-01: Break-Up Home (Miss Cat, Dr. Kioni)
> (I don't think we were suggesting "bashing up" the husband. --cat)
If one person is stuck, is clinging on to or is satisfied within a
situation and the client wants change, then things like shaking
him/her, confusing him/her and possibly causing havoc throu curses to
crack up the situation might start movements in a stalling case?
Break them down and then rebuild by love drawing, "making the grass
greener" on the clients own side etc.
If she (or a similar case) doesnt want to wait 5 years more it could be
worth a try?
Just exploring the different roads to success even in (in my opinion)
doubtful cases here.
#321 (G) (GA) Johannes Gardback
If one person is stuck, is clinging on to or is satisfied within a
situation and the client wants change, then things like shaking
him/her, confusing him/her and possibly causing havoc throu curses to
crack up the situation might start movements in a stalling case?
Break them down and then rebuild by love drawing, "making the grass
greener" on the clients own side etc.
If she (or a similar case) doesnt want to wait 5 years more it could be
worth a try?
Just exploring the different roads to success even in (in my opinion)
doubtful cases here.
#321 (G) (GA) Johannes Gardback
Re: Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour #08-01: Break-Up Home (Miss Cat, Dr. Kioni)
--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "motherkali" <redjasper@...> wrote:
> >
> Summary transcription by Michaele Maurer
>
> (Thank you so much, Michaele! Your summarized transcriptions bring
these radio shows to folks who would not be able to access them
otherswise. Your wrk is very much appreciated. --cat)
> >
Michaele, I echo cat's sentiments as well. Great job and thank you.
Dr. Kioni
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> >
> Summary transcription by Michaele Maurer
>
> (Thank you so much, Michaele! Your summarized transcriptions bring
these radio shows to folks who would not be able to access them
otherswise. Your wrk is very much appreciated. --cat)
> >
Michaele, I echo cat's sentiments as well. Great job and thank you.
Dr. Kioni
DrKioni.com
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Re: Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour #08-01: Break-Up Home (Miss Cat, Dr. Kioni)
Dear cat, Dr. Kioni, and everyone,
I just wanted to add my appreciation for the client-centered format
of the show. I did like it a lot before, too, but I got some new
insights from this show and the discussion that's followed so far. I
also want to thank the client for her generosity and courage in
sharing her business with all of us listeners and Michaele for the
transcript, it's great to be able to review it in print afterwards.
Johannes's description of shaking up someone you need to dislodge
from a situation and then attracting them elsewhere and Lee Canipe's
story about the, what, obsessed? client with cat's comments were very
instructive, too. It really helps to hear and read these case
studies, sort of opens the work up in a multi-dimensional way.
Lisa Mertz, #913
I just wanted to add my appreciation for the client-centered format
of the show. I did like it a lot before, too, but I got some new
insights from this show and the discussion that's followed so far. I
also want to thank the client for her generosity and courage in
sharing her business with all of us listeners and Michaele for the
transcript, it's great to be able to review it in print afterwards.
Johannes's description of shaking up someone you need to dislodge
from a situation and then attracting them elsewhere and Lee Canipe's
story about the, what, obsessed? client with cat's comments were very
instructive, too. It really helps to hear and read these case
studies, sort of opens the work up in a multi-dimensional way.
Lisa Mertz, #913
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Re: Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour #08-01: Break-Up Home (Miss Cat, Dr. Kioni)
--- In hrcourse@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Christos Kioni" <drkioni@...> wrote:
[Quoting Miss Cat:]
> > (Thank you so much, Michaele! Your summarized transcriptions bring
> these radio shows to folks who would not be able to access them
> otherswise. Your wrk is very much appreciated. --cat)
> >
>
>
> Michaele, I echo cat's sentiments as well. Great job and thank you.
>
> Dr. Kioni
> DrKioni.com
>
Thank you both in return. Praise from such wise and gifted teachers
means the world to me.
I also want to add that my ability to type for extended periods is not
what it was. I was very happy with my redictation experiement.
However, I find it impossible to use voice-recognition transcription
software in real time, so I'll be transcribing from the recording most
of the time. This means transcription will be later than it has been
in the past.
Michaele Maurer
#361
(That's fine. Many people cannot hear the podcast, for various technical reasons, and the written summaries are word-searchable, which the radio shows are not, so gettin the transcribed summaries by email is of great value to all, even if there is a bit of delay. --cat)
[Quoting Miss Cat:]
> > (Thank you so much, Michaele! Your summarized transcriptions bring
> these radio shows to folks who would not be able to access them
> otherswise. Your wrk is very much appreciated. --cat)
> >
>
>
> Michaele, I echo cat's sentiments as well. Great job and thank you.
>
> Dr. Kioni
> DrKioni.com
>
Thank you both in return. Praise from such wise and gifted teachers
means the world to me.
I also want to add that my ability to type for extended periods is not
what it was. I was very happy with my redictation experiement.
However, I find it impossible to use voice-recognition transcription
software in real time, so I'll be transcribing from the recording most
of the time. This means transcription will be later than it has been
in the past.
Michaele Maurer
#361
(That's fine. Many people cannot hear the podcast, for various technical reasons, and the written summaries are word-searchable, which the radio shows are not, so gettin the transcribed summaries by email is of great value to all, even if there is a bit of delay. --cat)
