Ethics and Moral Justifications for Spell Work

lady_sakura · Unread post by **lady_sakura** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:50 pm

hello, i just signed up and i am new. i got some questions if thats ok.

i talked to my bf about magick and how it works. no, he doesn't practice it and won't ever. we had a discussion about it and how it can have bad effects.

if ur using it for "good intentions" how can it affect u badly?

i dont have any intentions to use it bad, but if u did use something for bad intentions, what are the outcomes of that happening? when do u see it? what will happen 2 u?

has anyone ever in their life experienced that?

what if someone is using a love spell to make someone fall in love with u, isnt that bad karma right there?

my bf was telling me that magick itself is just bad, black magic is the worst u can get.

can someone explain to me how magick works?

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:59 pm

Dear lady_sakura,

If you believe that magic is harmful, you simply should stop studying it or practicing it. It is not a universal path, and no one is forcing you to walk it.

General theories about how magic works will differ depending on the cultural beliefs and experiences of whoever answers your questions. Since you have asked some questions of Lucky Mojo, and i am the founder and co-owner of the company, i will give you my some of own personal opinions. I have written them down here:

http://www.luckymojo.com/spells/real.html

However, this forum is not intended as a place to discuss general theories of magic; it is about hoodoo, and specifically about using Lucky Mojo spiritual supplies in the African American rootwork tradition.

God Bless!

Mohammed · Unread post by **Mohammed** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:04 pm

I have recently placed a rather large order with Lucky Mojo, and I have debated in doing so for quite some time, but I am glad that I finally decided to take this step. I am certain that the products are going to be worth the wait. It seems that they are much better quality than what one finds elsewhere.

My question is regarding love spells. I have read in many places that it is not advisable to direct a lovespell on any one person... what I read in making mojo bags, nation sacks etc, you place personal effects or a photo of the target (loved one) inside the bag along with the proper herbs, etc. Would this not be considered directing the spell toward my interest? (Which is actually what I want to do.)

The difference in my situation, is that I am 100% sure that this person DOES love me. The problem is that there are many things that are in place that are keeping us apart, and I am not sure how to get around them. I know that 'this is the one' and I am honestly not interested in any other whatsoever. I also want to be sure that I keep this person loving me and interested until these roadblocks can be overcome.

I don't believe that rootwork or magic of any sorts should be used for negative purposes, and I would not do such a thing, no matter how badly I would want to. I am planning on performing these tricks with good intentions and a pure heart, but I am just afraid of any backfiring... as I am directing this towards a certain individual... the one that I wish to be with for the rest of this life.

Please advise any thoughts or suggestions.
Thank you.

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:29 pm

Well first off where did you get the idea that its bad to work on a specific person? There are many spells made to attract one specific person. Now in my experience it's easier to draw an unknown lover then to get someone specific.

Also there isn't really much of a belief that a spell could "backfire" in hoodoo, a mean spirited trick might be reversed but there is no karmic payback for doing spells. That said, if one were to do enemy tricks you would have to cleanse yourself after you do it.

If you want them to be sweet on you put them in a honey jar. http://www.luckymojo.com/honeyjar.html

Mohammed · Unread post by **Mohammed** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:40 pm

Turnsteel

I have read this in several spellbooks, albeit they were written from the Wiccan perspective, which I am not particularly drawn to, anyway.

Also, some santeros I have talked to say they wont perform a love spell on any one person, only generic ones, as this is forcing someones will, or something like that...if that makes sense.

Its just that I know the person is deeply in love with me, there are just many obstacles standing in the way. I was thinking maybe a road opener spell might be worthwhile... but isn't that for new beginnings?

I need to study more, perhaps!

The_2 · Unread post by **The_2** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:48 am

I want to help my dad's business out by burning a money-drawing oil lamp for him, but will it still work if I'm the one doing it? He doesn't believe in this kind of stuff at all, so I'd never be able to get him to do it himself.

Just FTR, I'd be burning it in the home office in our house, where all of us handle work/bills-related business, and frankly we could all use some help right now! I expect that it probably wouldn't work as well as it might if he did himself, but I'd like to think this would help all of us (especially him, as the firm where he works at is on the verge of bankruptcy).

Thanks.

Papa Rouj · Unread post by **Papa Rouj** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:23 am

You most certainly can do work for others.

Most of us professional Conjure-Folk do work for people on a daily basis such as setting lights, fixing up conjure bags, etc. Just make sure that when fixing the money lamp (whichever way you want to do it) you include everyone that it is for...

Hope that helps..

Unread post by **wylde** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:16 am

I believe if you make the petition with your dads name on it or the business name it should work regardless of his beliefs.

The_2 · Unread post by **The_2** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:37 pm

Papa Rouj wrote:You most certainly can do work for others. :-)

Most of us professional Conjure-Folk do work for people on a daily basis such as setting lights, fixing up conjure bags, etc. Just make sure that when fixing the money lamp (whichever way you want to do it) you include everyone that it is for...

Hope that helps..

Thank you! That certainly does help ^_^

And yes, thanks for the reminder of the petition, Wylde, I think it would make it more effective :-)

suzyparker · Unread post by **suzyparker** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:57 am

Now here's an odd question but someone will know..

if you are working a spell (of any kind) on a person and the person you are working is ill (not as a result of your work, just in general) are they more likely to be influenced by the spell or less?

If working on a physically ill person has a different outcome (greater success, less success) than on a physically healthy person, is it better to light a success, love, or luck candle on someone currently ill or should you wait until they are healthy?

Just a general question but never occurred to me before.

Thanks to anyone who has the answer.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:57 pm

I don't perceive to have the answer...but I think it is best to do a healing spell first...that is my personal opinion.

A sick person is weak and you may want them healthy for love, success and luck work I would think.

coastwitch · Unread post by **coastwitch** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:05 pm

I agree with jwmcclin -- if someone is ill and you are trying to help them in matters of love, luck, money, or protection, it is best and most ethical to help them recover their health first.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:40 pm

Basically, this is not a Wiccan site, and asking us to second-guess what someone else told you about Wicca or Santeria is off-topic -- but Turnsteel / HailDiscordia's honey jar suggestion was right on. Try it.

Tzigana · Unread post by **Tzigana** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:56 pm

my ex boyfriend is trying somethings with hoodoo and it makes me nervous. are there things he could do to manipulate me? are they ones that are safer than others? how would i break any spells placed on me?

EDIT:// i don't think he's going to try anymore. he found out about a friend and me being physical.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:05 pm

I would consider getting a reading to see if this is worth pursuing.

Then you can do a sweet jar ( you can search it on the forum)
Return to me spell kit
You can even do a come to me spell kit as well

I would do some research through the previous threads because we have talked about many cases where individuals have lost their lovers.The circumstances may be slightly different, BUT the use of the products are the same to a certain degree.

NotDorianGray · Unread post by **NotDorianGray** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:27 pm

I recommend road opening. Your ex is putting up a huge barrier, and there may be others as well. You'll need to remove these before he can feel free to be with you. Also, try a honey jar to sweeten your ex towards the idea of you being in a new relationship. Then definitely use Come To Me products to get him to be with you.

Also, sounds like there is some baggage you're carrying as well. Why not get yourself a herbal bath and soak away some of the past. Get yourself into a space where you're really ready for this guy.

Tzigana · Unread post by **Tzigana** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:25 pm

All right, so from what I gather, I should first try road opening.

Definitely a honey jar on either of them.

And then the come to me products?

zee_2 · Unread post by **zee_2** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:15 pm

Hi Tzigana,
First get a reading done, I find that when we try or want to change another's behavior its a good idea to see if its going to get anywhere, and reading might help in figuring that out. I know i have ignored readings and signs and it was not a smart idea to do it. It may also reveal if others are involved and that can affect the kinds of spells that will be effective or needed.However in your own case, only you can be the best judge.
I personally like honey jars and often do them for workplace smooth sailing..they are gentle and feel natural to the person they are done for.

VMMQueen · Unread post by **VMMQueen** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:26 am

Good Day LM FAMILY,

I have a question of concern, I was asked to do some work by a few people. Honey Jar spells and a Protection Spell.

I feel I am still an amateur with my hoodoo crafting.. just guessing when would I know when I am ready to work for others?

When did you know you were ready? Any feedback would be helpful...

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:15 pm

Start with small things that won't be as overwhelming and that you feel confident with. If those are successful, then you can probably move on to bigger things. I started by working for friends and family and didn't charge until I had a track record of success for working for others. But it all depends on your own situation, abilities, and confidence level.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:07 pm

Begin by working small conjures for others. You don't even have to let them know. Build from there. If you are a reader begin by doing readings for these people coupled with a reading for yourself to find out if it would be good for you take on the work.

VMMQueen · Unread post by **VMMQueen** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:21 pm

@Devi Spring.. I didn't think of it like that and I know confidence is key!
@ ConjureMan.. Thank you..

The feedback is essential and insightful!

joeygomez74 · Unread post by **joeygomez74** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:32 pm

I did about 4-5 love spells directed at the same person a while back,
and I think i am starting to receive negative energy/karma because of
it. I remember that one of the spells involved the help of a deceased
spirit. So I had to bury something at a person's grave. I think it was
one of your bottle spells. I am just wondering if I upset the natural
laws, or something. I don't remember what person's grave I went to.
But I might be able to track it down.

To my knowledge, the love spells didn't work. Which is fine, since I
realize that it's the natural law that we shouldn't be together. I just
want to now get rid of all the negative energy that is surrounding me
because of the spells I did. I have had some really bad stuff happen to
me in the past 6-8 months. And it has started affecting my mood and
mental health.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Joey

thelightfantastic · Unread post by **thelightfantastic** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:42 pm

Joey,

First, the concept of karma is not a part of hoodoo. Even if it were, karma effects your NEXT life, not this one so you'd be dealing with whatever you did the next go round.

Anyhow, if you're feeling negativity around yourself, take a cleansing bath. The 13 herb bath is good for such a thing. Protection is key as well. Either work with St. Michael for protection or order a Fiery Wall of Protection spell from LM.

You might also want to get a reading to determine if the spirit you asked for help might have something to do with things not going well. It could be totally unrelated but it's good to find out.

Unread post by **CopperFox** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:17 pm

Hi, Joey.

Regarding your issue...since you are so very unclear on the details of the spell and how it was performed -- yes, I think it is possible that you've messed around in something you didn't know enough about and bought yourself some spiritual messes instead of the aid of a willing spirit. Try some rudimentary cleansing and see if that helps you -- search the forum for loads of information about how others cleanse themselves and their households to keep things going well.

Again, your post is so vague that I can't be too specific about what might be going on...so if you're still having ongoing trouble after a thorough regimen of cleansing for say, 3 weeks I would recommend you have a reading done with a reputable person to see if there is some underlying issue that needs to be dealt with.

In the future, I suggest you research and understand the spellwork you're undertaking, as well the repercussions and the ritual disposal and cleansing protocol for that particular spell. Keep a notebook to help you keep track of all the details. You may also want to look into hiring a worker to act as a magical coach, so that you can still learn to properly spellcast yourself, but at the same time have the advice of a professional to guide you.

Poorly executed spells rarely bring the results you want; worse, if you don't understand the nature of what you're doing and omit vital steps like seeking the permission of a spirit for taking grave dirt or failing to keep yourself cleansed, you can end up buying yourself a heap of trouble.

Good luck getting clear,

Michelle

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:51 pm

Joey, thelightfantastic, and copperfox --

Actually, in the Eastern traditions there are many different kinds of karma, and it absolutely can effect this life. Karma is at its core cause and effect. You are working through past-life and this-life karma all at once. And yes, karmic debts can carry forward. But things you do now can and will affect you now.

But -- none of this applies in hoodoo.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:20 pm

Joey's post was spammed into three categories. The poster has been warned.

I give grateful thanks to all of the "regulars" here who handled the multiple-post issue so well and answered the question while i was off the board. I've put everything that relates to the topic (minus all of the good advice posts about not spamming) into one single thread -- and this is it.

Carry on!

siren · Unread post by **siren** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:52 am

Well now I have "the bug" and want to do spells for some people in my life. I'm thinking mostly spells that would attract new love and money. I also have someone I want to do a Steady Job spell for.

Here's a few questions. Is it problematic to do positive spells for someone who doesn't know you are doing them? I know this friend is miserable in her financial state and is desperately seeking love, but she is spooked by spells. So I would be doing this all for her benefit but behind her back.

How do you keep yourself focused on that person? I was thinking about printing good size photo of my friend and having it displayed as I do my spell.

Do I skip all the bathing because the spell is for her?

Let's say for the Love Spell (new love) I should put a description of her ideal lover under one stone? What concerns would be ideal for her? I can get just about everything but sexual fluids. Should I put her picture and bday on her paper under the lodestone? Would I bury the bag on HER front door? How about the remains? Would I use the attract powder in her house?

Should I do a kit or a bottle spell or buy items individually? I kind of want to practice doing spells with a lot of work involved to help build my confidence and intent.

If I do a get Steady Work on someone who isn't aware I am doing spellwork for them, what concerns would I need and how would I do it without them carrying the mojo or powdering their resumes? This person would think I was batty for doing this. I'm guessing the spell kit would be overkill because they won't be using half of the material. What would you use and what would be your method?

Sooo many questions!

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:36 am

Doing positive work on behalf of others without their knowledge is common in hoodoo. There are no proscriptions against it.

We can also do secret work to harm people -- giving them what looks like a nice thing that has been secretly cursed.

The term we use for both types of covert rootwork is "sneaky ticks" -- tricks meaning conjure work, spell-casting, etc.

You might enjoy taking my Hoodoo Rootwork Correspondence Course. There is an entire chapter on how to do sneaky tricks in the book -- so i am not going to repeat myself here.

freegirl · Unread post by **freegirl** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:48 am

I wish I had enough confidence to take this course. Confidence in my own work is my biggest obstacle, but one I am working on. But I look forward to taking it at some point!

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:27 pm

You can easily perform work on behalf of others, even if they are not aware of what you are doing for them. It is a habit I have myself

.

Setting up a photo on your altar as you perform work on behalf of that person is a great way to keep your focus on that individual. The basic idea is that you'll be acting as her proxy. So when you fold petition papers, anoint candles, or perform other directional drawing work, draw towards yourself as if you were that person, but rembember to state in your petitions in prayers that you are bringing all this into the life of so and so.

For the ideal lover write what you feel would be perfect for her, or you can simply put "so and so's ideal lover." Use whatever person concerns you can get for that person, hair, used clothing etc. Following up by sprinkling a bit of the corresponding powders in her house would be a great way of bringing the spell home to her.

The kits and bottles are both great ways of building confidence. They have everything you need along with detailed instructions. The bottles are also nice and small and can easily be buried, along with the remains, at someone's front door covertly. You can even make a trick out of this by burying the items in a small potted plant and giving the plant as a gift to your friend.

If you cannot powder resumes, or give people mojos, you want to avoid that type of work and instead work on general attraction with things like moving lodestones. The use of the personal concerns and some tricks laid down will help keep everything together and directed at your target.

siren · Unread post by **siren** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:14 am

Yay! Thank you, Conjureman for the sound advice. I'll try a money attraction spell instead! You are always so generous with your advice.

Cat, I've totally been contemplating taking your course. Can people sign up for it any time or do you have to enroll at certain dates?

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:44 am

Geena: It is not only a matter of keeping your own mind focused on the person. A picture is worth thousand words, but a strand of hair is worth a thousand pictures.
Doing covered work for others is like saying prayers for them before bedtime with some added..."oompf". It works best if you hear them express their wish clearly before you start any work or you might just loose a lot of energy trying to give them what they do not really want or is not ready to recieve just yet. Be mindful also of if you want them to credit you for the help. Then that should be added to your prayers while doing the work. It is a good way of clearing spiritual debts that they might feel and for you to get some energy back.
Like cat said; take the course.

Freegirl: Have you considered that taking the course might give you confidence?

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:04 am

Agreed, a personal concern like hair is perfect. Since this is your friend try raiding their bathroom and seeing if you can get some strands of hair. A hairbrush is your best friend.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:03 am

The Course is open to customers of Lucky Mojo only, and Miss Cat has to approve your enrollment. You can start at any time and work at your own pace.

MJR_2 · Unread post by **MJR_2** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:00 pm

Is a love spell considered going against someones free will?

Doesn't a love spell just create a positive situation and work on both parties involved so that positive changes can be made to make a relationship work?

How does a love spell influence someone? What if you do a love spell on someone that already loves you, but there are problems that need resolved in order to make the relationship work? Would a love spell help to resolve those problems to make the relationship favorable for both parties? Would a love spell be considered going against someone's freewill if the other party does already love you, but it is a relationship that needs to be fixed?

copywrittenlyrics · Unread post by **copywrittenlyrics** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:17 pm

Can a love me spell be used to bring someone back to you, or mend a divide in a relationship that was progressing into love but then...conflict arose?My friend introduced me to this man and i really think we connected from the first moment we met,i swear his eyes and even some of his language was flirting with me, but we were kind of in a wierd sitution that enabled a business relationship..but then we slept together and that obviously brought upon a whole new chemistry but i still feel like hes a closed hard shell to get through,he's a cancer im a virgo. Anways eventually i ended up using voodoo on him with the male and female candles and the spell worked which freaked me out because that was the first time i ever did a love spell and i swear on my life i felt the energy and it was just to overwhelming and i freaked out basically,self-sabatouging the magic but also there was another ironic factor...when i did the spell the first time, the same friend who had introduced us saw the candles and she ended up causing the main conflict and the divide that laed me to self sabatouge he relationship...I dunno it's all so crazy but anyways after that i kept trying to use communication spells, uncrossing and even tried another love spell to get things back in the right direction but.,. i haven't heard from him.Now i've just ordered one of your love me spells...what do you think?

MJR_2 · Unread post by **MJR_2** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:50 pm

So a love spell can make a relationship better, but they can also choose to leave the relationship, it's not like they are stuck in it against their free will? I suppose it would be just as possible that if they were happy in the relationship they would stay too?

What is the difference between a love spell and a binding love spell? How do they differ?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:24 am

MJR wrote:Is a love spell considered going against someones free will?

Well, if you believe in free will, and doing a love spell if they do not love you, then yes it would be going against their free will. This is why some rootworkers/spellcasters will not do love spells to a specific person to be attracted. However, it depends what kind of love spell you are doing, and if the person is attracted to you or not.

MJR wrote:Doesn't a love spell just create a positive situation and work on both parties involved so that positive changes can be made to make a relationship work?

It depends on what kind of love spell you have done. There are different kinds of love spells. If you are doing a honey jar for ex, then yes I would say it creates a positive situation so that each person can love each other. The other person will be sweet to the other person, and it can cause them to have a loving relationship. However, it depends on what needs to be done to make the relationship work. I mean you could do a reconciliation/return to me spell, but if this person is cheating on you, or is scared...those issues need to be addressed. A love spell is not going to fix everything. Each party still has to be willing to be in the effort of expressing and sharing love.

MJR wrote:How does a love spell influence someone?

Please take the time to read this http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoo.html

This online book, "Hoodoo in Theory and Pracice," discusses what hoodoo is, and it discusses the various love spells and what they do. It depends on what kind of love spell you do.

MJR wrote:What if you do a love spell on someone that already loves you, but there are problems that need resolved in order to make the relationship work?

Then it may fail, not manifest the way you want, start to work and then fizzle out, or take a long time to work. In this case, there are different kinds of love spells, such as reconciliation, love me , follow me boy/girl etc. So I would recommend a person get a reading in order to see what problems need to be resolved. Again, if you did a love spell and the love spell is not directly addressing the problems, then it will probably fail, not manifest the way you want it to, or manifest, and then not last long.

MJR wrote:Would a love spell help to resolve those problems to make the relationship favorable for both parties?

If you need to resolved ANY problems, you need to know what those problems are. A love spell does not simply make everything better. You need to find out what the issues are. Hence, if someone is scared to enter a relationship due to past hurts, then you need to do some healing and courage work on them BEFORE doing a love spell.

MJR wrote:Would a love spell be considered going against someone's freewill if the other party does already love you, but it is a relationship that needs to be fixed?

If someone already loves you, then a love spell is probably not what you need. ANY kind of spell does not fix all the problems in life, and love spells are not going to fix all the problems in the relationship. It is important to do things on the mundane level and for you to work on yourself and see how you are affect the relationship as well. But again, like I said in the previous question, you need to do a spell that is addressing the problem directly. [/quote]

Please take the time to search through the forum and read people's experiences with love spells. Love spells are very general, much like a vehicle. They all have the same function to get you to go somewhere, however there are different types. A binding spell is either restricting the person to be with someone else, or binding them to you so that they do not go with someone else. You can bind someone's penis/vagina so that they do not have the ability to go with anyone else. A love spell, along with each person working on the relationship, can make a relationship better. If the person loves you, and their needs are being met, and they dont have any past hurts, then why would they leave you? However, if a person did a stay with me spell, or a binding spell, then that has been employed so the person cannot leave them.

Please read this website, and take the time to go through the forum. It will help answer many of your questions, and help you understand what hoodoo is, and what it is not.

coastwitch · Unread post by **coastwitch** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:30 am

Love spells come in all types, as Starsinthesky7 said. They can include the search for new love, a seductive spell for sex, a fertility spell, a fidelity binding spell, or a spell of domination.

Additionally, how people think of love spells is also quite variable.

Some people speak of a lover "needing" to propose marriage or "needing" tell the truth about fidelity when what they really mean is "I want him to," or "He would be a more ethical person if he did this."

Some people just say they want to "get laid more often," and have no interest in domination, just in better sex.

One size does NOT it all in the love spells department.

thelightfantastic · Unread post by **thelightfantastic** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:36 am

If you want to fix an existing relationship with someone you love (and vice versa), you would not do a love spell. Same goes for trying to get someone back. Specific problems call for specific spells. LM has an extensive section of spells for these and many other situations. You can read up on all of them here:

http://www.luckymojo.com/spells.html

As for the free will questions, some people find love spells to be invasive and a violation of free will, some people don't. No one can tell you the "right" answer because it's a matter of personal opinion.

MJR_2 · Unread post by **MJR_2** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:59 am

Is what I'm getting from the replies is that if a person already loves you, then basically a love spell won't really have an effect on a relationship because the love is already there. Is this correct?

If each party still has to be willing to put in the effort, then does that mean a spell will only work if both parties are willing to make a relationship work?

What happens if the wrong spell is done?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:36 am

It depends what kind of love spell you are doing.

If you are just doing a love spell, such as a honey or sugar jar to keep that person sweet to you, then that is what it is going to do...it may just increase their sweetness.

If that person already loves you, then what is the point in doing a love spell that is geared towards making them love you? They already love you. I mean if you just want to keep the relationship strong in romance, and passion, then yes you can most certainly do a love spell to keep the relationship positive.

Let's say you do a love spell for an existing relationship, but you and the other person had a fall out. Then you do a reconciliation spell, but the person does not want to be with you, and does not want to work the relationship out, then your reconciliation spell is going to fail or probably not work very long because they do not want to be with you. Therefore, you would have to employ some other means such as a controlling, or skull candle that will influence them or control them to be with you.

In order for a relationship to be healthy, I would think that both parties need to be willing to make the relationship work. If one person does not want to put in effort into the relationship, chances are you are going to have to do more work to convince them, and hit them from various angles, and you really need to get down to the bottom of why they do not want to put effort into the relationship.

If you do the spell wrong, it may just purely fail, and not manifest. OR it could not fully manifest the way you want it to.

thelightfantastic · Unread post by **thelightfantastic** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:47 am

MJR wrote:What happens if the wrong spell is done?

If you wanted to fix a flat tire on your car, would you fill it up with gas instead of fixing the tire itself? Hopefully you'd fix the tire and move on. Same logic applies. You fix what's wrong with the situation directly.

Both parties do not need to be cooperative for a spell to work. As Stars stated previously, there are controlling conjures one can employ to get someone to do what you want.

Lastly, if a spell is done wrong, nothing usually happens. Like Stars said (again!), things may manifest in a way that you're not expecting but I've found that mostly nothing at all happens.

MJR_2 · Unread post by **MJR_2** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:22 am

If I am understanding correctly, spells don't last forever but they can help the current situation?

What do you do if something manifests in a way your not expecting, what do you do about that?

What would someone do if they cast a spell because they were hurting emotionally, then once it manifested you realized that maybe it wasn't the appropriate solution? Like for example a return a boyfriend/girlfriend, or reconciliation spell, or similar. Will the spell wear off, if it wasn't the appropriate solution?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:24 am

It depends on what kind of spell you do. Some have more lasting results than others. Most people simply burn a vigil candle aka a glass candle, to keep heat on a situation.

If something doesn't manifest the way you are not expecting, then you need to probably get a reading, and you need to assess why the situation did not happen the way you wanted. Perhaps a professional needs to be hired, the spell needs to be repeated, or you need to do a spell(s) that actually address the issues.

zee_2 · Unread post by **zee_2** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:00 am

I am asking this for my DH, i practice hoodoo without his knowledge and have had life changing success ( job, personality issues) with LM products . DH is in a downward spiral and is 'stuck' in his job and also just overall...to the point where i think he is depressed. Had him checked out with a doc and doc said nothing was wrong, needs no meds etc and just a 'sign of the times' , as DH's job is in serious danger of being axed.Had reading done by AIRR reader who said he looks like he was crossed by ex's desire to keep him stagnant and paralysed...another reading with a different AIRR reader verified the same..
Now the crux of the problem is how do i uncross him without his active participation ?
I got an LM uncrossing kit as well as a FWP protection kit.
Can i make a dolly for this purpose , and uncross that? i read a discusion of this on the forum but cant find it now..

Also for inviting good luck if i get a triple strength luck and job atraction mojo and keep it in his clothes in the closet, will it influence his luck in any way? i know he wont carry it!

Please advise!

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:05 am

I have read in this forum that you can use an egg and rub over his picture (do a search to isolate that information for accuracy). I would think since he is your husband and at home you have access to everything you will need for a cleansing, uncrossing, drawing and protection spell etc... You mentioned a doll baby which can done in this situation as well. Since you have the uncrossing kit, put some in his bath without him knowing (a sneaky trick), if he uses gels, throw some in there, or boil water and dissolve the bath salts and add to his bath without him knowing (get the picture?) So there will be no questions, strain the bath crystals thorough a sieve or place in a mullein bag.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:00 pm

You can work conjure on someone without their knowledge and/or belief.

You can work with a dollbaby that can act as a sit-in for your target. Perform your cleansings and uncrossing on this dollie.

You can also keep the work going by adding products to his shampoos and body washes.

Make sure you thoroughly cleanse the home and do a drawing wash to help keep the home sphere protected and cleansed as well.

If you have access to his socks or other laundry you can toss some bath crystals into the wash. Good luck

zee_2 · Unread post by **zee_2** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:39 pm

Thank you both.
Its interesting that the two times i have tried to cleanse the house for the purpose of uncrossing him i have gotten so busy in other stuff that i never finsished the process. tonight i will make a doll baby forst...any recommendations on what to stuff it with?
thanks
Zee

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:31 pm

Zee, please ask your questions about doll babies in the section of this forum devoted to doll-babies. Thank you.

zee_2 · Unread post by **zee_2** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:38 pm

Sorry cat, I will start a new thread there..this Q on doll babies just sorta evolved..

Hellokitty · Unread post by **Hellokitty** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:33 am

Cat, I bought a product from here and it says that you teach lessons. I was wonderining. Do you also each your students how to create their own spells? Because everybody's situation is different and everybody goes through different things. and it's like that old saying,"Give a man a fish. He eats for a day. Teach a man how to fish. He eats for a lifetime."

I'm just afraid that I would need something and I won't be able to find the spell I'm looking for in your site.

I've also know that in your lesson plan you have Communication with spirits.

All kinds of spirits?

Like let's say a person has greatly done you wrong. You might want to summon up a powerful demon to get revenge on those who've wronged you, because you might want something specific to happen to them.

Like is it possible to summon up Goetia spiritis with Hoodoo? and I also assume that you teach how to avoid any karmic backslash.

Tho. I'm not a vengeful person. I've considered using black magic, but haven't done it, yet. I have a bit of fear and concern about black magic.

Like one time, it backfired and I don't want that to happen, again.

But I do believe that a person should protect themselves against people who are a threat to you and to other people you care about. I mean, some people are so horrible/crazy that they just need to be cursed for they are nothing more than a threat to society. Like the guy who sxxually attacked me a few years back and never gotten arrested.

If a situation can be resolved without black magic, then it should be. but sometimes people that are psychopaths or rapist and whatnot. They can't be reasoned with. They just need a curse on them.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:41 pm

HelloKitty,

Ok, I'm not Cat (this forum is not here as a communication tool to reach Miss Cat - if you have questions about the course, you can call the shop), but I'm a graduate of her class.

Yes, the class teaches you hoodoo theory and practice and requires you to learn to make your own spells.

No, the course does not teach Goetia, as that's not part of traditional hoodoo. If you want to learn Goetia, then you'll need to study some of the magical traditions that work with that. The spirit-work the course goes most deeply into is graveyard spirit work, as that is extremely prevalent in traditional hoodoo.

There is no such thing as karma in hoodoo, so "karmic backlash" is not something that is addressed in the course.

Hellokitty · Unread post by **Hellokitty** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:30 pm

OK. Thank you, Devi Spring.

As for as the Goetia goes. I thought that since one of the courses was teaching spirit communications, that it could be used for other spirits than dead people. Like if you could summon the dead, then I suppose a person could summon any spirit whether its hoodoo or not. Like summoning a Goetia spirit using Hoodoo rituals. Like how Christians, Wiccans, Hoodoo practioners, and magicians all contact angels, but they all contact angels in different ways.

I just thought that the same spirits could be contacted using a Hoodoo ritual as opposed to the regular rituals, since the regular rituals can be very dangerous. People have gone insane, lost their lives, or had their life span cut short, from what I've heard.

But I'm super happy to know that the course teaches how to create your own spells

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:33 pm

HelloKitty,

You need to understand the traditional theory and practice of European ceremonial magic Goetia evocation before you should even think about trying to do it via non-traditional means, such as using African American folk magic to summon Goetic spritis.

Generally the people who get in trouble are the ones who take Goetia too lightly, are not properly prepared and trained, and have not thought through their interaction with, petition to and instructions for the spirit. You don't HAVE to use the traditional Goetia rituals to work with the Goetia spirits (I don't for example), but without truly understanding the whys and hows of the traditional context, you are in no position to make intelligent substitutions.

Knowing one form of spirit communication in no way gives you a free pass on communicating with spirits who are expecting a particular protocol when being called and addressed.

Hoodoo is a specific form of folk magic with its own traditions, customs, and ways of working. African American magic is not a grab-bag of ideas that can be grafted onto European ceremonial magic.

Hellokitty · Unread post by **Hellokitty** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:41 pm

Devi Spring,

I see, well thank you. I'll guess I'll just learn Hoodoo, first, then, since a lot of people seem to be extremely happy with the spells. Lucky Mojo has a lot of very happy costumers who really love the spells and have had great outcomes.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:49 pm

This is true HelloKitty...

bella80 · Unread post by **bella80** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:23 pm

Hi everyone, I wanted to know if anyone has a spell to turn a mother in law and daughter in law against each other?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:31 pm

Break up or separation work to make them fight and quarrel.

http://www.luckymojo.com/separation.html
http://www.luckymojo.com/breakup.html