Drive Bad Coercive Parasitic Abusive Co-Dependent Person Away from My Lover Spouse Friend Family Member

[Sarah27]

Hello LM family,

Love and light to you all, I have a big problem
When it comes to banishing people and getting bad people out of my life I cannot begin to tell you how hard I have tried, spells I have done even hired people for spell work to help me get these people out of my life and they won’t leave! I have never had any success at all in this area and in even love work and don’t know what to do. I can’t for the life of me understand why not even one spell or thing I have ever done has never worked in this area. What can I do guys to have success in getting the bad people out of my life and my loved ones because they have to go!! thank you and would appreciate any feedback.

Blessings

[JayDee]

Sarah27,

I am very sorry to hear about your situation and I also understand the frustration that can come with this type of work. For work, we suggest going to AIRR for a reading and Rootwork. If the person is a family member that is being banished it is going to be harder naturally do to the kin relationships and energy (my experience).

Some questions:

1.Have you tried multiple angles to the work such as doing banishing work on them, while also doing attraction and drawing work to a new place or location? Think of it as a kick in the butt and a carrot happening at the same time.

2. Have you used other products if banishing did not work, such as Hot Foot?

3. Work multiple spells (similar to question 1) but consider other areas to focus magic on. Is the person related, is their job here, do they own a home. You can bind them to stop their influence on the loved ones, then send them away in a Hot Foot as an example. You could influence them with a skull candle, then do an attraction moving spell to send them away in a waxing moon, while doing a Hot Foot in a wane moon phase.

JayDee

[Sarah27]

Hi JayDee,

Thank you for coming to my rescue and for helping as always you’re amazing.So I’m just going to answer your questions in order.

1.I’ve tried banishing spells and even vinegar jar and freezer spells and still nothing works for me.

2.Yes I have tried Hot Foot and it has NEVER worked for me in my life. I’m so disappointed, but I’m glad it has worked for others.

3. In this specific case I’m trying to get rid of these woman who are in this guy's life (a man I’m seeing). They are a complete nightmare and have made my relationship with him hell. I have also tried to banish some of my sisters friends because they too are awful and are trying to get my sister to do class A drugs! so they definitely need to go! but nothing is working for me. I’m not a professional at casting spells and am trying my best with the amazing guidance from LM fam.

Blessings

[JayDee]

Sarah27,

Sometimes we are not gifted for the work, or you would benefit from Magic Coaching or working with a Professional like one from AIRR.

Another consideration is keeping the pressure up, if I am focused on Hot Footing these people, I will burn a figure candle and move it towards an image of a new location. I will put Hot Foot powder where they step, I will capture their footprint and mix it with Hot Foot powder, stick it in a bottle and throw it in a river flowing out of town. I will burn a votive Hot Foot candle on their photo with the same petition I been using in all of these workings to get them to leave. You can even have MISC set candles for you to reinforce the work.

AIRR:http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/A ... ootworkers
Hot Foot: https://www.luckymojo.com/hotfoot.html
Vigil Candles: https://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatcandles.html#vigil
MISC candle service: http://www.missionaryindependent.org/ca ... vices.html
Book Destroying Relationships: https://www.luckymojo.com/destroyingrelationships.html
Book Bottle Up and Go: https://www.luckymojo.com/bottleupandgo.html

JayDee

[Sarah27]

Hi JayDee,

I’m just seeing this and so happy! thank you I will try everything you have suggested but I do also think I am not gifted in this area and clearly need professional help so I will get a reading too! thank you and sending love to you all for Valentines Day Weekend.

Blessings

[JayDee]

Sarah27,

You may not be gifted in this as something that comes naturally, but it does not mean you cannot learn and become skilled. Just like all gifts I may not be a master chef but I can still make a dinner that taste good. With training from a professional like from AIRR, and using authentic items, those sold by Lucky Mojo, following the guidance in the books and this forum.

JayDee

[Sarah27]

Thanks JayDee I have been thinking and it could also be that my spells are not powerful enough! hence why it’s not working the way I want it to.How do I give power to my spells? Please and thank you.

Blessings

[JayDee]

Sarah27,

It certainly can be "power" among other things that go into the spell. A spell is not a simple x+ y= Z there are many factors that make up the whole. Some to consider are: clear goal and petition, what you want, use of authentic items like herbs and oils, they carry power. The words you speak and the passion of your prayer, the ability to stay focused in the work and not distracted. You can also wear Power Oil or Master Key oil(even both) when doing work to enhance your ability.

Freeze Her Out
To apply this to your topic thread, if I want to get rid of a bad coworker. I want to freeze them out. My petition is " Stop Jane Doe from interfering in my life, stop her movement, stop her actions, stop her talk, freeze her so she is completely stuck and unable to move!" I take poppy seed to confuse her mind and ask the poppy to add this to the work, I add alum to silence her mouth so she stops speaking of me or about me. I take a photo of her, I write my petition on the back, on the front I cross out the eyes, I write SHUT THE FUCK UP on her head. I pray over this paper as the person I am working on it is her. I take a cup of spring water, I pray that as water freezes and makes thing immobile to also make Jane Doe unable to move and interfere in my life that she is frozen out. I fill the jar and cap it, wrap it in tinfoil and freeze it. To back up my work, I take a Lucky Mojo Banishing candle and place my petition to rid me of the life of Jane Doe. I burn the candle and pray over it daily until it burns out.

Hope this helps you think of how to use the Lucky Mojo products in the work to increase the effectiveness in the working.

JayDee

[Sarah27]

JayDee thank you so much you’re amazing God bless you

[Sarah27]

Hi JayDee,

How do I get in contact with you? as I am interested in your services and would love to work with you please and thank you.

Blessings

[JayDee]

Sarah27,

I am a moderator here on Lucky Mojo and work to help those in need with the products on this page, and advice on work. Yes you can find me on social media as well.

JayDee

[NooBoo]

I’ve done a divination and I found out that my ex’s girlfriend just put a separation hex on he and I … but she also included our children that we have together. I could imagine that she wants my children to separate from me because he has to financially support them and that’s the one thing that links us together.

My children have been acting out of character today. I found out it’s because she placed a spell on them. I’m furious… not because she did a spell on me, but because it included my innocent CHILDREN. I’m really upset because she knows how much I care about them and how much they mean to me.

This is someone that doesn’t know much about hoodoo, witchcraft or proper protection. She does not have any divine protection. She does not do divination and does not know of any code of ethics. She does not honor her ancestors.

I need to do something powerful because she’s messing with my children. She has no children so she does not understand how big of a deal this is.

Do any of you have a suggestion on what to do to drive her away? NOT A RETURN TO SENDER!

[JayDee]

NooBoo ,

With a spell being cast on you and the kids, she likely is trying to rid you and start a new life with the bf. I would cleanse the house with a product such as Chinese Wash to remove any curses or crossed conditions. Then cleanse each child in a spiritual bath to remove it from them. Then pray Psalm 33 over the family for protection from God.

To drive her away, you would want to work Break Up on her and the bf, and follow it with Hotfoot to send her away. This can be done using figure candles, dressing them with the oils, set between a Vinegar jar and a Break Up candle. You can also sprinkle the powder where she will walk.

Chinese Wash: https://www.luckymojo.com/chinesewash.html
Break Up: https://www.luckymojo.com/breakup.html
Hot Foot: https://www.luckymojo.com/hotfoot.html
Vinegar Jar: https://www.luckymojo.com/fourthievesvinegar.html
Figure Candles: https://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatcandles.html#figural

JayDee

[crystalangel]

Hello,
I want to dominate my husband.
There is a big problem with his mother...she is controlling, she interferes in our familys money etc
My purpose is to make him not listen anything she is saying, not pay any attention to her sayings, not feel guilty because she makes him feel guilts
The target is to make them separate...to be in a fight , and to cut off their relationship...
For example a comment could be "you don't want her in your life anymore" or "you will have a huge fight with her

Furthermore , I want to do the same for her...like " you will have a huge fight with him " ect

I was suggested for a bottle with lemon sour milk ect ...I was thinking of dume as well but I would like to take it slowly ...at least for now

So, which spell would you propose in this case?
I like to work with skull candles, would be appropriate?

[JayDee]

crystalangel ,

I moved your post from controlling a lover to driving a person away as that is what the post was asking. Hope this helps!

Miss Cat discusses this topic and the importance that you are justified when working to break a blood relationship, specifically such as mother son, daughter type of relationship. I would also state that it is a bit harder do to the nature of those relationships, not impossible just harder.

Two products that are known for this work is Break Up which causes people to end their relationship, and Inflammatory Confusion which causes fighting and misunderstandings. Both of these products can be used on candles, in a jar (break up jar), moving figural candles.

Break Up: https://www.luckymojo.com/breakup.html
Inflammatory Confusion: https://www.luckymojo.com/inflammatoryconfusion.html
Vinegar Jars: https://www.luckymojo.com/bottlespells.html

Another option is Separation which causes people to separate but with less fighting.

Separation: https://www.luckymojo.com/separation.html

Lucky Mojo has two books that cover this type of work, Bottle Up and Go, and Destroying Relationships.

Bottle Up and Go: https://www.luckymojo.com/bottleupandgo.html
Destroying Relationships: https://www.luckymojo.com/destroyingrelationships.html

DUME is a bit harsh for the work you are asking, it is not a separation product, rather it is a product used to kill a person. It stands for Death Unto My Enemy.

DUME:https://www.luckymojo.com/dume.html

JayDee

[crystalangel]

Dear JayDee thanks s lot once more...you are always here to help

My case is justified...spells were not my in my mind from the very beginning...I have used other ways...I tried hard to explain to my man, I was very understanding with both of them...long conversations ect for three years now...
Furthermore, out of tarot cards, i I' ve learned that she casts spells... so I have no doubts and no guilts that she has to be away of our life...I will not let her destroy my marriage

Your advice is very important and I will consider the spells you are proposing seriously!!!

But what about commabd control ect spells with skull candles???
Can I use them also??? Even for dominate him for other thinks that does not concern his mother

Thanks in advance

[crystalangel]

Hi again
I have read about the break up spells...how can I use them, since there is a candle of couple and I want to cut off or to turn away s mother child relationship

[JayDee]

crystalangel,

You would order two candles one Adam and one Eve, if this work was to break up a father and son two Adams, etc. Prepare them, baptize them, dress them in oil. Place them back to back, you can place a break up jar right behind the two figural candles and burn black candles dressed with the condition oils. Burn the figural candles each day as you move them apart and let them burn for about 15 minutes a day then pinch or snuff them out. Let the break up jar candle burn all the way down. Do this for 7 days. At the end of the 7 days the candles should be separated and toss the mothers in running water to send her away, place the husbands in the front garden. The vinegar jar can still be worked until you decide to dispose of it, which I would bury in a cemetery. This is a basic outline of a break up spell, modified from two lovers to two family members, it can also be used for two coworkers, to friends etc.

Forum topic on moving candle spells: https://forum.luckymojo.com/post428481.html#p428481
Halfway down on the Break Up page you see an outline that I modified for you: https://www.luckymojo.com/breakup.html

For dominating your man at the same time, you would want I dominate My Man, this product would be burned on candles as you tell him what to think and do, a skull candle where you baptize it, dress and prepare it, then speak to it to tell him what to think. I like to add Follow Me Boy to the oil as well to make him follow you and do as you say. A doll-baby can be stuffed with controlling herbs for this same purpose, smoke the doll in I dominate My Man incense, you can also use the bath crystals to wash his clothing so he is wearing it. It is also common for a women to make a Nation Sack to control a man.

I Dominate my Man: https://www.luckymojo.com/femaledomination.html
Follow Me Boy: https://www.luckymojo.com/followmeboy.html
Calamus: https://www.herbmagic.com/calamus-root-chips.html
Licorice: https://www.herbmagic.com/licorice-root.html
Nation Sack: https://www.luckymojo.com/nationsack.html

JayDee

[crystalangel]

Thank you JayDee
One question ... About the first part,the break up spell, do I have another option of where could I put the candle of his mother??? You are proposing running water, so I figure that you mean river, but it is quite difficult since I live in urban area...no rivers around or near by...could I bury it in a grave in cemetery???
I also suppose that the running water to take her away is s symbolic part of their psychic separation, till she lives in a village far away from us, amI right???
Also I don't have a garden at all... could I place it , bury it, in a plant pot on the front balcony???

[JayDee]

crystalangel,

A river, ocean, creek. If those are not options, then I would go to option two, either put it in a cemetery or put it at a crossroad to disperse the energy. Yes the water takes away, crossroads also spread energy is a method of sending away, toss it at the West side of the road as the sun sets to take her away, that also has the symbolism.

Yes it can be placed in a backyard, front yard, if none exist a potted plant in your home would do as well.

JayDee

[crystalangel]

Thank you so much

[crystalangel]

Hi
About the domination of my husband...which is the colour of the candle should we use for this purpose?
Also, how can I make a Nation Sack ?

About break up moving candles...which is the colour of the candles? It is about breaking up mother son relationship and brother sister

[JayDee]

crystalangel ,

The traditional color for control, domination, and influence are purple.

Lucky Mojo page on Candle Magic: https://www.luckymojo.com/candlemagic.html

You can order a Nation Sack from Lucky Mojo, or purchase the book by Miss Cat The Art of Making Mojos.

Custom Mojo Bags: https://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatmojo.html
The Art of Making Mojos: https://www.luckymojo.com/theartofmakingmojos.html
Lucky Mojo page on making mojos: https://www.luckymojo.com/nationsack.html
I Dominate My Man: https://www.luckymojo.com/femaledomination.html

Break up candles are often black votive candles. Figural candles are also black. Since you want to move them away and bring them to you, you can use red for his and black for everyone else. On this Lucky Mojo page, Break Up it shows a sample of a moving candle spell, which gives you the idea of the work.

Break Up: https://www.luckymojo.com/breakup.html

JayDee

[crystalangel]

Excellent!!! JayDee, I am sooo thankful

[Love&Light]

Anyone who knows about true co-dependency knows it's very strong and hard to break. It keeps people together when they shouldn't be together and causes a constant cycle of drama and chaos. Even if they break up they will still try to stay in touch because they are co-dependent on each other.

1) Does anyone know how to do a spell to break co-dependency between two people ?

2) If two people are co-dependent, and if I do a break up spell, should I do something to stop the co-dependent entanglement first?

[Mr Christopher]

Hi Love&Light,

A moving candle break up spell will normally pull two people apart for good. Even if the 2 are not romantically involved like boss and employee, or two friends, this will still work. In this variant of a traditional spell I have added elements of protection and damnation to break the bonds of parasitic co-dependency.

You need 2 figure candles, salt, Cut and Clear Oil, and possibly Fiery Wall of Protection Oil as well, Damnation incense (optional), a knife or scissors, and a sheet pan.

If this is an abusive or toxic relationship use the Fiery Wall of Protection Oil. If it is merely a bad relationship, use only Cut and Clear Oil.

1. Carve the name of one of the people you want to break up from head to toe down the back of one of the candles. Then do the same to the other.

2. Baptize the candles- Put water on the head. "In the name of... I baptize you (person name) as the (deity of choice) created the first man/woman, I so create you to be (person name), may (he/she) hear, feel, and do as I say so help me (deity)."

3. Put 1 candle about midway on the sheet pan, looking left, and pour a line of salt, (if this is an abusive or toxic relationship, pour Fiery Wall of Protection Oil over the salt).

4. Put the other candle on the other side of the salt so they are back to back. (If the person is abusive, put some Damnation Incense on the candle)

5. Put Cut and Clear Oil on the knife blade or scissors.

6. Put the knife between the 2 candles on top of the salt.

7. Pray over the candles; you can recite Psalms 9.

8. Light the candles, let them burn for 15 minutes, and pinch them out.

9. Next day, move the candles apart, so there is more space between them. If you used scissors you can open them a little.

10. Light the candles, let them burn 1/2 hour, then pinch or snuff them out.

11. Repeat step 10, till the candles are just wax, or have reached the edge of the pan, normally 3-5 days.

12. Depose of the wax away from your house, if you want them to go far away from each other; leave it at crossroads on opposite corners, or drop it in the river.

Here are the links to items you would need:
Cut and Clear Oil - https://www.luckymojo.com/oil-cut-and-clear.html
Fiery Wall of Protection Oil - https://www.luckymojo.com/oil-fiery-wall.html
Damnation Incense - https://www.luckymojo.com/incense-damnation.html
Candles - https://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatcandles.html

Best of Luck,

Mr. Christopher

[Love&Light]

Thank you, Christopher! I apologize I couldn't find this thread earlier. I did a word search for codependency instead of co-dependent : ) And "Parasitic" is a good word for it! There's the parasite (person always needing help) and the ENABLER (the person always giving help, to the other's detriment). I've seen it up close many times and it's so destructive.

[Mr Christopher]

Hi Love&Light,

The moving candle spell should help them set boundaries if not move away from each other. Destroying Relationships by Ms. Aida is also a good resource.

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Destroying Relationships, by Miss Aida
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You can order right here in the Forum by clicking on the blue Add To Cart button.

Best of luck,
Mr. Christopher

[Love&Light]

Thank you for the book referral, Christopher! I ordered the book, already received it, and finished reading the whole thing cover to cover

[friendly?Leo]

I have a loved one who is in a marriage of coercion. She is foreign, so when he seeks to break up, several times in two years, she threatens to turn him in for marrying her for her papers. She has threatened to harm herself if he leaves her. She is a drug and alcohol addict. She shows up to his house drunk in front of his children and makes a scene. She humiliates him in public and private. Verbally abuses him regularly. He fears for his personal property. She calls him nonstop after he's been clear it's over, but will remain married until she gets her papers. She is like a parasite who has latched on and will absolutely not, ever, let go. I could go on, but you get the idea. It ain't good.

He is drained emotionally and dispirited. Accepts the abuse, continues to see her to placate her. Resigned to accept this person until she gets the papers, and is hopeful once that's good and done she will be ok with a divorce. But I'm telling you, she will never let this person go. I wish to remove her from his life, ideally send her back to where she came from. I fear she will haunt him the rest of his life, suffer the abuse and wishing for peace, he will allow himself to be dragged through mud for god knows how long. It's already been 3 years.

Given the brevity of the abuse and his acceptance of it, this resignation is extremely odd. He is a very strong character and I have a strong suspicion this woman herself as put something on him.

I hesitate to conduct anything which may directly, or indirectly harm him. I do not wish to jinx or curse her. I wish to return the damage she has done to him and remove her from her life. Be it cause her to make an irreparable and foolish mistake, trouble with the police, trouble with court decision to grant naturalization papers, etc. Her papers are filed, and to be processed within the next three month.

If anyone has any spell suggestions they would be greatly appreciated. I have the following in my cart and welcome any advice to tweak, or if I've made an oversight out of ignorance, remove something and replace with a more appropriate item. I have worked candles for years, but am now beginning to delve into the intricacies of intentional dressings and creative mixtures for desired outcomes. The following is from what information I've been able to find on this site (which is fabulous, thanks cat!) and largely guided by intuition for the timing of the lights and order in which to work each candle.

Reversal candle
Crossing candle
Devil Shoestrings- for my protection in case
Batnut- for my protection in case
Cast off evil oil
Cast off evil bath
Divorce candle- to be dressed with cast off evil oil
White groom candle- to be dressed with cast off evil oil
Honey pot spell
12 pink candles

[Mr Christopher]

Hi Friendly?Leo,

I moved your post to an existing topic.

It is very noble of you to take up protecting your loved one. You do a nice selection however I would modify it.

-Double Action Candle, Red and Black candle, or White and Black candle. Take the white end cut off the tip, and carve the black end so you see the wick. Carve My Enemy backward on the black side going down with last y ending right before the middle looks like YM3N3 YM. Carve your loved ones' names in the white going up, ending before the middle. Coat in reversing oil, and roll it in Rue, and Lemon Mint. Place the white side in a candle holder and light the black end. You can put a mirror under it if you want.

- Reversing Oil - To reverse if anything work has been done.
- Rue - Use on the candle, and he can also take a bath to remove curses.
- Lemon Mint - Removes love curses, mix with Rue and take a bath.
- Uncrossing Oil/Incense - Add to bath, add to mop water, and add to candles to remove any cross conditions. Cast off evil is more for addictions than curses.
- Fiery Wall of Protection - To prevent her from doing any more work on him, and protect him from authorities if this goes south.
- Blockbuster - Remove any obstacles blocking her from getting those papers.
- Court Case - To speed up her getting the papers and the divorce.

Here are the links to the items mentioned:
Double Action Candle - https://www.luckymojo.com/products-cand ... ction.html
Reversing Oil - https://www.luckymojo.com/oil-reversing.html
Rue - https://www.luckymojo.com/rueandcimaruta.html
Lemon Mint - http://herb-magic.com/lemon-mint.html
Uncrossing - https://www.luckymojo.com/uncrossing.html
Fiery Wall of Protection - https://www.luckymojo.com/fierywall.html
Blockbuster - https://www.luckymojo.com/blockbuster.html
Court Case - https://www.luckymojo.com/courtcase.html

Best of luck,
Mr. Christopher

[JayDee]

friendly?Leo ,

In addition to the amazing advice from Mr. Christopher, I would also add that working with Banishing, to send her away, and/or Hot Foot to send her away quickly and with pain for what she has done. This can be dressed on a black figural candle, dusted with Hot Foot powder, moved over away from a candle of him dressed in Fiery Wall of Protection. When done burning toss hers in running water to send her away.

If you can also sprinkle the Hot Foot powder where she will touch it, such as where she steps, on a paper she will touch, items she will touch. Easy way to do that is to send a holiday greeting card to her.

Banishing: https://www.luckymojo.com/banishing.html
Hot Foot: https://www.luckymojo.com/hotfoot.html
Figural Candles: https://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatcandles.html#figural

JayDee

[Love&Light]

RE: Codependency Break Spell

Okay, Christopher (or Jaydee, etc ) Here is an update - I followed your prescription exactly (See Message your message above from Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:52 pm ) to break this co-dependent relationship, and today is the third day of the spell. I had the two black figurine candles back to back. There is the 'enabler' man who is being used, and the 'parasite' woman who controls him (romantic relationship) >

HIS candle finally went out about 4 hours ago on the third day. I am sitting here watching her candle burn hours later and IT WILL NOT GO OUT. It's already at the bottom of the pan and wax and just keeps burning. Her flame is high and strong but it won't stop burning. What do I do?

Also, just an FYI , her black wax literally flowed in gobs mostly backward towards him (the back of him), and literally started to flow over the scissors, the salt, and the Fiery Wall of Protection and Clear and Cut. But MIRACULOUSLY it stopped on TOP of the scissors and did not cross. (whew!). I took several pictures because I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

I'm trying to learn candle divination too so I'm pretty sure her wax trying to cross the scissors means she is NOT willing to let go of him (her meal ticket) and has a very strong hold on him. And I assume the flame not wanting to go out means that she is resisting the spell big-time? Is there anything else I should consider or interpret?

Her energy is very strong and her grip on him is very strong. Can I do anything stronger?

Thanks in advance.

[JayDee]

Love&Light ,

We do not offer candle divination on the forum, as this is a service offered by MISC or by individual AIRR members who do this service for their clients.

You can also learn candle divination from Miss Cat's book "The Art of Hoodoo Candle Magic."
https://www.luckymojo.com/artofhoodoocandlemagic.html

The situation you stated indicates she is not letting go and fighting the work, the resistance. You may want to add Break Up to end their relationship, Inflammatory Confusion to confuse her mind from the work and to make errors, Hot Foot to send away. A positive twist is to draw her with love oils to someone new on a figural candle.

Inflammatory Confusion: https://www.luckymojo.com/products-infl ... usion.html
Break Up: https://www.luckymojo.com/breakup.html
Hot Foot: https://www.luckymojo.com/hotfoot.html

If you need magical coaching I suggest a reading with time for coaching as well, this can be conducted by an AIRR member and Hoodoo Psychic Members. You can book a reading from a member of AIRR (the Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers) or HP (Hoodoo Psychics) here:

The Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers (AIRR)
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/A ... ootworkers


Hoodoo Psychics at 1-888-4-HOODOO (HP)
http://hoodoopsychics.com


JayDee

[JoeShmoena]

So I've got a situation that's been untenable for a long time and has crossed the line.

A close relative is in a relationship with a *really* no-good man. They've been together for years, and over those years he's done nothing but ruins her. I mean, losing homes, income disruption, abuse, physical violence, mental, emotional, spiritual- financial abuse to a ridiculous extent. This man doesn't work, doesn't clean, barely cooks, he just opens up his hand and takes her money, and sits around all day. They don't have a relationship- he's a pimp in the worst way. This man has stolen from me and continues to do everything he can to deplete the family assets. He works tirelessly to cause chaos to the point that anyone around him barely has the energy to succeed. He is very clearly profiting off of the fact that she has low self-esteem and zero boundaries. I could go on and on about all the shit he's done and does but sufficed to say I'm angry. He's likely got Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and if you know anything about that then you know that the advice on dealing with abusers who have it is often 'run, don't walk".

For years, I've been trying to help her. I mean, *years*. But I've really minded my business magically. I've tried to help in mundane ways, including getting her to therapy and trying to be a voice of clarity. But I just found out that he has the law potentially sniffing around me and by extension my partner (even though we have nothing to do with him, nothing to do with whatever he's pulled). So I'm like, nah. He's got to go- today. They need a divorce, right now- because that shuts all of this down (literally- all of it). I'm closely connected to her (in a way I can't just drop), so even though I'm not pleased that her choice to stay is spiraling onto others like this, long-term abuse (especially Narcissistic Abuse) can really do a number on a person. So I'm trying to lead with compassion on that front.

I've divined and started with cut and clear, separation and wisdom and clarity workings for her (using break-up to make them split likely won't work because their whole life is already misery and arguments, and they still haven't parted after years of stuff that would make any sane person leave). I'm thinking of putting hot foot in his shoes and placing a hotfoot or banishment packet in his chair. I'll probably add a doll baby with banishment/ hotfoot too, or something to that effect. I'm thinking she needs Cast of Evil as well; was thinking I'd put a petition in a bottle of oil and start anointing her stuff or doing it as a skull candle to get rid of whatever is making her feel she's worthy of something so awful. My last LM order is going to take a while to get here (I'm outside the U.S), otherwise I'd buy the COE bath crystals and start spraying that on her pillow today. Might also do a skull candle on him to get him back to his mama's house. IDK, he just needs to get gone and I've got time.

Are there any other formulas or approaches that, based on what I've said, I should take a second look at? She clearly needs some real healing and empowerment, so I might do a self-love skull candle for her. I'm not sold on that though (I'll divine, of course, but I'm not sure what other options I might be missing).

Thanks all

(edited for context)

[Mr Christopher]

Hi JoeShmoena,

Sorry to hear about your poor relative.

There are 2 issues with dealing with a Narcissistic: First, spells don't work as intended on them, second, their spouses are empaths.

Narcissists make everyone think they are the victim, drain energy, and gaslight, using passive aggressiveness. They tend to marry people who feed that delusion, empaths. So the empath wants to heal, and Narcissist wants to drain them dry. When you use break-up work, it gets strange because until the empath sees they are being used, but they will keep going back till they die. Once they do see the person for who they are, the empath because a nasty, angry, person. There are many books out there, and support groups for women, in Narcissist relationships.

Magic does not work on Narcissist directly. You have to affect the things and objects around them. Sadly in this case that means working on your relative, not the demon.

-I would start off gently, using restless on your relative. This is a really mild breakup. You can do a moving candle spell, with 3 candles, have him looking one way, and she's back to him looking at 3rd candle her new lover.

-Destruction comes next, get a married couple candle, cut it down the middle without splitting the candle, cover it in Destruction oil and incense powder, and pray Psalms 79

-Write the name of your relative 9 times, then turn and write "(name of relative) is married to (guys name)", turn and sign it 3 times, put in a bottle of cola that is made with cane sugar, pray over it so the cola dissolves, erases, eradicates everything on the paper.

-Use Inflammatory Confusion on your relative. Write her name on name paper, take a chili or habanero, and put the name paper in, with Poppy Seeds and Inflammatory Confusion. Fry them in a pan, to make your relative angry and confused and willing to throw her partner out.

I understand it seems strange to attack your relative, but only by destroying her, will she see what her partner has been doing to her. Then she will get raging angry, to the point she cannot be in the same country as him.

Here are the links to the items mentioned:
Restless - https://www.luckymojo.com/oil-restless.html
Destruction - https://www.luckymojo.com/oil-destruction.html
Inflammatory Confusion- http://www.luckymojo.com/oil-inflammato ... usion.html
Red Pepper - http://www.herbmagic.com/pepper-red-pod.html
Poppy Seeds - http://www.herbmagic.com/poppy-seed.html
Candles - https://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatcandles.html

Best of luck,
Mr. Christopher

[JoeShmoena]

Thank you Mr. Christopher,

The lack of true sight that empaths have in regards to narcissists that you touched on strikes me as deeply important. Originally, my thought process was that inflammatory confusion and more antagonistic type breakup work wouldn’t work- simply because there’s already so much confusion and instability. I just couldn’t see how more of the same would make a dent. However, your reasoning has been helpful and it’s an approach that I’m going to look into more.

I’m curious about your perspective regarding magic not working on narcissists. Is that just because they’re unable to take true account or accountability for their lives?

Thanks for the input, and the time spent reasoning it out.

[Mr Christopher]

Hi JoeShmoena,

Narcissist lack empathy, that's why they are attracted to empaths, they pull the energy out of them. They are self-centered and believe themself to be a victim, so they have a high level of mental protection. They drain others of their natural ability. It is only when the empath they are draining becomes angry, will they leave. It's like the milk has gone sour. Unfortunately, by the time this normally happens, the empath has numerous physical illnesses and autoimmune disorders like fibromyalgia, arthritis, and strange food allergies. Once this happens the Narcissist moves on and starts draining another person, leaving the empath a bitter shell, incapable of love.

Sadly the best way to break this connection is to attack the empath, who are highly acceptable magic, so they turn sour quicker, before the physical issue start.

Best of luck,
Mr. Christopher

[Metalina]

I have a complicated situation with a sister-in-law that has been building for decades and an opportunity coming up that I need guidance on which products to use.

She has been bullying me for over a decade and has her family members so caught up that it's like they are afraid of being too nice to me because it might upset her. I have tried to talk to my husband about it and it has become a really sore point in our marriage. He has told me that I am not a reliable witness and I feel like she could literally do any evil thing to me and he would make an excuse for her. I made a vinegar jar a few months ago and even though my divination indicated it would work, nothing seems to have happened yet. She is still being showered with love and affection and now she is trying to seduce a good friend of mine. I'm a little worried for him, because she is so evil and manipulative there's no telling what could happen. Well, I have a trip coming up and will have access to her home and belongings, and probably a sympathetic link or two. My divination has warned me to expect the worst from her while I am there. My question is, does this sound like a good hot foot scenario or am I better off using separation products? I would love to get my husband on my side, but I don't know what else to do there. I already have a double-strength nation sack and I have had many candles lit for me.

[Mr Christopher]

Hi Metalina,

Sorry to hear about want your sister-in-law is doing to you. You seem like a highly skilled worker. I would give her a loaded gift, like a candle, or charm bracelet. Be like oh I thought of you when I saw this. If you are using a candle load it with Restless, and Confusion, and she will need to leave suddenly. If you are using charm you can get a cheap locket from the craft store, load it with incense or ground Poppy Seed and Cayenne, and glue it shut. You can also use the 4th Seal of Saturn, and or Psalms 109.

Here are links to the items mentioned:
Restless - https://www.luckymojo.com/oil-restless.html
Confusion - http://www.luckymojo.com/oil-confusion.html
Poppy - http://www.herbmagic.com/poppy-seed.html
Cayenne - http://www.herbmagic.com/pepper-red-flakes.html


Best of luck,
Mr. Christopher

[MrsSchaeffer]

Good morning! I hope I have chosen the correct thread for my issue. I am posting here due to the talk above about narcs.

I have a new boyfriend and everything is amazing with our relationship itself. Shortly after we began dating, an issue arose that he handled immediately. However, recently it escalated to requiring police intervention (we are both fine).

Another issue is that his ex has been claiming she is still with him and once she "discovered" the situation with the police, she put herself smack dab in the middle of it (as Mr Christopher said above, she loves to play victim). She doesn't know anything about me. That is by design since she is a narc with abusive, lying, stalker tendencies. In fact, I believe for numerous reasons she has something to do with the person who we required police intervention from.

Which is why I am here. I need to get her to let go of my boyfriend. To make it clear, he told her it was over between them before he met me and hadn't seen her in months before we met. He's had third parties confirm to her that it's over and to leave him alone. She has been excommunicated from any and all places she was once welcome that he goes to. A normal person would have been horrified to have that occur, but as I said above, she's a narc of the worst order.

She's also involved with witches/wicca if it matters. Thank you for your time and help!

[catherineyronwode]

MrsSchaeffer2020 --

This is a difficult situation, and does require handling on both the spiritual and mundane planes of existence.

It was difficult for me to understand your abbreviation to describe your partner's ex. Here's why:

You called her a "narc" -- and that word has been used for about 80 years, and still is used to mean an undercover narcotics cop (narc for narcotics) or a fellow drug dealer who is either a professional stool pigeon ("stoolie") or who, when arrested, cooperates with the drug cops and rolls over on his friends ("narcs on [someone] " or "narcs [someone] out") to get free or obtain a lighter sentence -- and this made sense because you mentioned the police.

However, on reading further, i think you intended "narc" as short for narcissist (which is not logical to me, since narcissist is not pronounced with a hard "c" -- so it should sound and look like "narse"). I got this idea because you mentioned her as "a narc with abusive, lying, stalker tendencies," and those qualities do not accord with being an undercover drug officer or a fellow drug dealer.

1. Because she has made trouble for you in the mundane world and has been banished from your social group in the mundane world, you seem to be handling this aspect well and may need to take no further steps beyond blocking her on social media, email, text, and phone, if you have not already done so. Do everything possible to keep her away from you, including, if possible, moving, getting a new phone number, new email, and so forth. If, as you say, she is a narcissist, the idea is to become invisible to her. If she is a narc, and you deal drugs, make sure that everyone is aware that she reports to the cops.

2. Spiritually, i recommend that your work follow along the same lines -- confuse her, banish her, freeze her out, and become invisible to her.

Invisibility Freezer Spell with a Paper Doll
Make a paper doll with her photo and her name on the back, then X out her eyes so she cannot see, X out her ears so she cannot hear, and X out her moth so she cannot speak. Place the doll on a sheet of aluminum foil with the edges bent up a little to hold a small amount of liquid. Cover the photo with Alum Powder to silence her, then drip onto it some muddy water and a sprinkle of Poppy seeds to confuse and mislead her. Fold the foil up into a neat flat packet and ut it in your freezer to freeze er out of your lives.

Protection Through Invisibility with Bay, Arrowroot, and Camphor
Light a small white candle dressed with Fiery Wall of Protection Oil in a holder you can carry, and take it around with you as you sprinkle a mix of Bay Leaf Powder and Arrowroot Powder around the edges of your house or apartment to become invisible to her persecution, and set Camphor Squares in the corners of the rooms for protection. When you are done, set the candle behind the front door and let it burn out.

Good luck.

[Mr Christopher]

Hi MrsShaeffer2020,

I am sorry to see you are troubled by this person. Two ways I can think of to get rid of her.

1. You will need a Lemon, Graveyard Dirt, Goofer Dust, and Name Paper.
- Write the person's name 9 times, if you can write it on their picture all the better,
- Cut a slit in the lemon, add a pinch of Graveyard Dirt, and Goofer Dust to the name paper, and stuff it in the lemon.
- Leave it on an active train track
- Once the train comes the person will be gone.


2. Poppet, and stuff it with Spanish Moss, Chili Peppers, Sugar, Onion Powder, Garlic Powder, and Personal Concern
- Make the doll and stuff with above, baptize.
- Give it 3 days
- Leave it on the side of the road many counties away.

Here are links to the items suggested:
Graveyard Dirt - http://herb-magic.com/graveyard-dirt.html
Goofer Dust - https://www.luckymojo.com/gooferdust.html
Spanish Moss - http://herb-magic.com/spanish-moss.html
Chili Pepper- http://herb-magic.com/pepper-red-flakes.html
Doll - https://www.luckymojo.com/mojocattools.html#dolls

Best of luck,
Mr. Christopher

[MrsSchaeffer]

Thank you Miss Cat and Mr Christopher for your concern and advice.

I apologize for the misunderstanding about my use of the word narc. I used it as an abbreviation for the word narcissist. Neither my boyfriend nor I do drugs. I have barely ever used the word in the first meaning, which is why I didn't think anything of using it in the second. Thank you for that teachable moment, Miss Cat!

Yes, my boyfriend has handled the mundane at every twist and turn. We are out of town while all the craziness unfolds back home. Which is why I came to work on the spiritual to get her to go away. Narcissists refuse to accept when they aren't wanted; let alone when they are "replaced". We had been dealing with it well until the police had to be involved. She doesn't know anything about me right now, but he's concerned about my safety when she does eventually discover our relationship. I don't have any social media and I have been with him 90% of our relationship.

Before I set out to do the work advised, I have a few questions:

1. The narcissist ex sends people to spy on his actual house, but that's because she didn't know he wasn't there. Due to the situation, it's not safe for us to go to his home, so I can't do anything there. Should I just do the Protection Through Invisibility with Bay, Arrowroot, and Camphor where we are temporarily staying?

2. Should I do both Mr Christopher's #1 spell and Miss Cat's Invisibility Freezer Spell with a Paper Doll at the same time? Or do the first then give it time to do the second (or vice versa)?

3. Is it ok for me to ask for help revealing her connection to the person we had to call the police on in the appropriate thread? It's not part of the topic of this one. I don't want it to be considered spamming the board.

Again, thank you both.

[catherineyronwode]

Hi, MrsSchaeffer2020 --

1. Do it where you are staying. Repeat if you move somewhere else.

2. Actually, you can combine the paper doll spell and the lemon spell. Start by making the paper doll as i describe, then insert it in a Lemon, instead of freezing it, following his instructions. That is strong work! Then come home and put up the invisibility spell i gave you.

3. Yes, ask other questions about different situations in other threads, as appropriate, so that folks reading the forum to deal with specific situations can find the kinds of spells they are looking for.

[MrsSchaeffer]

Oh wow! Thank you, Miss Cat.

[catherineyronwode]

One of the most traditional ways to move unwanted people away is with a railroad spell. Not everyone lives near a railroad, but if you do, this is definitely the way to go:



Hoodoo Railroad Magic
Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour 11/12/23
with co-hosts Catherine Yronwode and ConjureMan,
special guest Miss Maranda, and announcer Reverend James.
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Co-hosts Miss Cat and ConjureMan, with special guest Miss Maranda and announcer Reverend James, discuss hoodoo magic involving railroads and railroad lore and provide 90 minutes of free readings, free spells, and conjure consultations, giving listeners an education in African-American folk magic.

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