Deities, Angels, Spirits, Saints: Questions and Answers

latoy · Unread post by **latoy** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:55 am

Thanks so much st michael, ur presence has changed my life, u are a great protector. Thankyou

2010luckyme · Unread post by **2010luckyme** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:01 am

Thank you St. Martha, St. Jude, St. Joseph, St. Expedite, Virgin Mary, my Guardian Angel, and Archangel Michael for helping me, protecting me and working in harmony together to answer my prayers... bless all you wonderful Saints

Unread post by **pisces78** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:27 am

Thank you!

Lily · Unread post by **Lily** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:48 pm

Hello everyone!

I posted here a while ago asking for some uncrossing advice. I've gotten a reading from a reputable source and they told me that most of my trouble is due to a certain person sending Jinns my way to hurt me. Can anyone here advise me on what LM products I can buy to get rid of the Jinns?

Macbaby · Unread post by **Macbaby** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:23 pm

I would suggest using ANY of their protection and cleansing products while praying for your protection as their products are amazing. I have used Fiery Wall of Protection products myself. Also, there are certain verses from the Quran that are specifically used for protection from Jinn. One powerful one is called 'Ayatul Kursi'. You can probably google search it and other verses as well. Good luck!

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:00 pm

Here are a couple steps you can take to help protect you from Djinn.

1. Sprinkle Salt in a perimeter around your house. Instruct the Salt or pray over it to keep out the evil influence fo the Djinn and to keep them from entering your house.

2. On the pathway to your house drive down 9 Devil's Shoe Strings to trip up the djinn.

3. Purchase some Asphand (which LM has) and burn it in your house as you go from room to room. At this point you can use protective Quranic Surahs. Surah Naas, Surah Falaq, Surah Ikhlas, Surah Kafirun are 4 that are recited together to drive out the power of witches and the djinn that can be sent against you. Ayatul Kursi or the Verse of the Throne is another strong one.

4. Get yourself Camphor squares and place them in the corners of your house to drive out and keep out any spirits.

5. Finally take a cleansing bath and follow up with regular protection. The Fiery Wall Of Protection spellkit can help in this regards.

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:17 am

Traditionally, especially for Saint Jude (who has blessed me several times and I am forever grateful) and several other Saints as a way to say give thanks and praise an individual who has called on Saint Jude would publish -- A thank you, the prayer and instructions to help someone else in a newspaper. With the information age of technology, would publishing on the internet through the forum be acceptable? I would think it would reach more people who would actually learn more and utilize more in this way. Any thoughts or opinions on this?
Be Blessed.
---Triplethreat

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:33 am

You should ask the saint directly how they want it published using whatever manner of divination or spirit communication you are most comfortable with. St. Expedite was pretty clear that he wanted it in the classifieds of one of the large newspapers here *in addition* to online sources. Yup - the fact that you sacrifice a bit of money to pay to put in an ad is sometimes part of the bargain. Online publishing is great, but it requires very little actual time or energy or personal sacrifice to do. Real appreciation often means that you have to put a bit more in. I just put "Thank you St. Expedite for favors granted", and that was good enough for the newspaper. Actually publishing online in niche forums is a bit like preaching to the choir - a seemingly random and cryptic classified would be more likely to draw in some curious individuals with no previous background or relation to a spirit.

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:02 pm

That is what I was thinking.. time, money and all for the actual newspaper ad. I have (always) published for St Jude he has rescued me more than once! I guess I was thinking about the actual "exposure". More people might actually see and benefit from something online-- but I do see your point Devi, and I have never disagreed with anything you have posted; I have learned, so I will continue the newspaper publishing. Thank you!
Be Blessed
---Triplethreat

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:26 pm

Lilianthi, I think you should work within your own spiritual tradition, and unless you are Muslim, reading from the Quran may not be appropriate to your needs. Some general cleansing and protection work would help, as well as a second reading from someone from your own tradition or from AIRR.

ConjureMan, in another post a Christian was concerned that someone might be praying to a Hindu goddess to work against her. You advised her to work within her own tradition. How is this case different?

Whether someone from one culture can call up a spirit from to work against someone who is from totally different tradition is an interesting subject. If someone contacts a Jinn to cause mischief in my life and I don't believe in them except in a general way, ie. bothersome spirits, what then?

Of course, this reader might just be pulling things out of the air and seeing what sticks.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:12 pm

First, I completely agree that a second reading should be done by a member of AIRR. You always want to ensure you are not getting scammed.

Now,the basic tenants of Islamic doctrine states that the God of its tradition is the same as the Abrahamic tradition of Christianity and Judaism. You are still working with the Abrahamic God. Therefore you're actually working within a single tradition that has three manifestations. The concept of the Djinn is actually a touching point for all three faiths. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are Near Eastern religions that draw from that cultural context. The desert spirit is mentioned both in the Bible and the Quran. Given this understanding of history I was not advising of working with an unfamiliar tradition, but one that is actually closely tied to hoodoo.The Islamic tradition is tied into Judeo-Christian tradition of monotheism. It does not clashes with it and has its place in hoodoo. There are documented cases of Quranic Verses being found in mojo hands, container spells etc.

The reading of the Surahs are entirely optional. If a person feels comfortable working within that tradition then it can certainly be used. Personally my path is hermetic and less myopic therefore it allows me to work both with the Bible and the Qur'an, not to mention several Hermetic writings which I've used as sacred text.

If you read my post about the hindu deity it warns against making devotions to a goddess they are unfamiliar with. In this case no devotions are being made and verses are being read just like someone would read the Psalms and understand that they hold power in their own right. If you go back and read the surahs that are mentioned you will see that they are very general verses that assert no doctrinal points, but rather impliment the power of a language that is familiar with these types of spirits. In the Kali post you'll recall that I took into consideration the role of Kali as avenger and gave advice accordingly. In this case since the poster didn't indicate what tradition they were from I gave options with the products mentioned as one way of doing things. If they are open to it great, if it is outside of a tradition they are comfortable with there are other options.

Pontification aside, my advice is based off of my experience working with Djinn. The desert spirits respond to Quranic Surahs, it's plain and simple. One is not taking part of the culture but responding with the correct application of power. If I was dealing with a spirit from a different culture, I'd learn how to apply the correct exorcisms. If you examine closely my post you will find that I didn't advise that they should take part in an unfamiliar tradition or culture. My prescription is about working with traditional hoodoo elements and products sold by LM with a slight adjustment of language to focus on efficacy.

Now that being said my advice stands with one clarifcation: that while the uses of the Quran in respect to dealing with Djinn is both effacious and helpful it is not necessary. You can certainly work within whatever tradition you feel comfortable with and I'm sure the members of AIRR can give you step by step guidance.

If you have any further questions Cleopatra feel free to PM and I'll gladly answer them.

Edit: I missed your theoretical query. If someone calls up a spirit you don't believe in then that doesn't stop the spirit. We work magick on a daily basis on untold number of people who don't believe in magick at all and yet we are successful. The same is with the spirit. You don't have to believe in a particular spirit, but that doesn't stop the spirit in any way shape or form.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:11 pm

Thank you for your clarification, CM.

Lily · Unread post by **Lily** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:34 pm

cleopatra wrote:Lilianthi, I think you should work within your own spiritual tradition, and unless you are Muslim, reading from the Quran may not be appropriate to your needs. Some general cleansing and protection work would help, as well as a second reading from someone from your own tradition or from AIRR.

ConjureMan, in another post a Christian was concerned that someone might be praying to a Hindu goddess to work against her. You advised her to work within her own tradition. How is this case different?

Whether someone from one culture can call up a spirit from to work against someone who is from totally different tradition is an interesting subject. If someone contacts a Jinn to cause mischief in my life and I don't believe in them except in a general way, ie. bothersome spirits, what then?

Of course, this reader might just be pulling things out of the air and seeing what sticks.

Cleopatra,
I got a reading from a reputable rootworker who is praised on this forum quite often. I've done a lot of general cleansing and protection before, and it didn't stop the trouble.

Unfortunately, I don't think I belong to any tradition at all. I was raised an atheist. Just because I didn't believe in those spirits or didn't know anything about them didn't stop them from messing with me in a major way. It took me quite a bit of time to realize something supernatural was going on. It took me even longer to find out that the source of my trouble is coming from within the Islamic tradition.

Conjureman, thank you very much for all the info! All of it is very helpful and vastly different from what I was doing before. You mentioned that Jinni specifically respond to Surah's. Do you suggest reading them in Arabic?

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:08 pm

Lilianthi wrote:. I've done a lot of general cleansing and protection before, and it didn't stop the trouble.

Allow me to say what you don't want to hear, but need to, I seem to be doing that a lot lately.

You may very well not be able to break free of this. Either the person that has throw for you is just plain better then you or yours, or you deserve it. In either case this may well become a long term condition you will have to deal with for the entirety of the foreseeable future. You're best course of action is to take up, and keep, a regiment of constant cleansing and protection work. That could mean anything from a cleansing bath once a week, to once a month, but, to paraphrase a very good root woman and dear friend of mine, its like diabetes, you take your insulin every day.

{Edit} Wow, I came off way more doom and gloom then I meant to, my apologies, I am not saying that this is for sure what is happening, its just a possibility. Please no matter what happens never give up Hope.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:58 pm

There is always a chance of facing a practitioner that is simply more talented, but I would not give into despair. I would recommend that you attempt another round of cleansings and protections--my list being but one option amongst many. From this you take HD's advice and continue a regular regiment of protection.

But I would recommend that your work be combined with the help of a professional rootworker who is able to take on these attacks and break them. Perhaps you can seek out the reader you've spoken to and see if they'll take on your case (especially if they are a reputable reader). Working with a professional may give you the break that you seek.

You can look up transliterations and therefore recite in Arabic which has a cadence to it that can be helpful, or if failing that settle for English.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:09 pm

I agree with CM - before getting too fatalistic, hire a professional to work on your behalf on this matter. That's what they're there for - to take care of stuff that may be out of the league of a layman. And definitely keep up the cleansing and protection work in the meantime to keep things from getting any worse if at all possible.

Lily · Unread post by **Lily** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:28 pm

Whatever I was doing before didn't work out very well because I was not addressing the issue correctly. That's why I came here to learn how to use LM supplies in the most beneficial manner. Thankfully, Conjureman gave me some truly priceless advice and I can't thank him enough for doing that.

antares · Unread post by **antares** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:24 am

I've been putting my ads in Gumtree (similar to Craigslist, but you can pay to make it a featured ad) - it's online, but it's not just preaching to the already-converted. And I add a link to a web site so that others can find out all about him.

So far, he seems to be happy with that arrangement. I'm glad, because I couldn't find instructions on how to put an ad in the newspaper!

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:58 am

Thank you all for this thread. Some good information in here!

-Joseph M.

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:38 am

Thanks! Great idea! I'm going to try that too.
To advertise in a newspaper: call the paper ask for the classified section, tell them EXACTLY what you want published. I have always said Thank you Saint Jude, Published the entire prayer with instructions to assist someone else in need. I found this (a publication to Saint Jude) in The Sun Sentinal (Ft. Lauderdale, Palm Beach County in November of 2002, when I lived down there). Saint Jude Literally changed my life-- forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is the worker of miracles and the helper of the hopeless.
Thanks again for the tip, I'll do both to show my gratitude.
Be Blessed.
---Triplethreat

ShadowyEmbrace · Unread post by **ShadowyEmbrace** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:54 pm

Do you know a good saint?

ShadowyEmbrace · Unread post by **ShadowyEmbrace** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:00 pm

BTW I have read most of the info on this website not all of it I'm just very new to Hoodoo I realize I might be bugging you a bit LoL but thank you for your help!

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:47 pm

You are not bugging me Lol. This is a place to get help and learn. In any case, st anthony, and st martha help to bring a lover back to you, but st martha helps with the domination but she is not all about that. You can go on the forum and read about everyones experiences with these saints . Feel free to PM me if you need any more help.

DrXTheRebirth · Unread post by **DrXTheRebirth** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:32 pm

I believe you can work with multiple saints, however in my experience some saints like to be separated from others. Just like with the instance with Beach as stated above, I'm currently working with Expedite. When I place his candles next so other saints, it wasn't burning as bright and strong. However, when I moved him to the front, it's burning better now.

ShadowyEmbrace · Unread post by **ShadowyEmbrace** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:15 pm

I've gone through the various saints to use for love but for all that are familiar with my posts which one do you feel would best suit my situation and should I say an invocation before going into my petition?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:40 pm

Personally, I feel like you need to not do so many spells. I mean maybe in theory you are not, but from your posts it seems like you are doing quite a few spells at a time. For this situation, I wouldn't do more than 2 or 3 at a time because it can get quite draining. In any case, I would work with St. Anthony for reconciliation, and bringing back a lost love. What other Saints were you looking at?

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:01 pm

I always caution people who ask to petition saints, by first asking what they know about Catholic folk-magick.

I am not saying you need to be Catholic to petition a saint, but neither are they neopagan spirits that can be called upon by anyone. They requires a certain respect and protocal that is found within the Catholic tradition. If you are unfamiliar with this tradition, or if you are not willing to work with it then I recommend steering away from working with saints. I say this because there seems to be this sense of saints being nothing more than convenience-store spirits you can call upon when you like.

This isn't aimed at you, ShadowyEmbrace, I am merely saying this--especially after I just saw a youtube post by a young witch who was teaching people on how to call upon St. Expedite and who (wrongly_ claimed that he's actually a deity and not really a saint and brushed off years of Catholic influence.

Now, if you feel like you are familiar with the Catholic folk-magick tradition and that you are respectful of the religious and cultural traditions that give rise to saints then I'd suggest St. Anthony to help draw back a lost love and St. Peter to help open the paths for you.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:28 pm

I just saw a youtube post by a young witch who was teaching people on how to call upon St. Expedite and mentioned he's actually a deity and not really a saint and brushed off years of Catholic influence.

I've seen that one too and raised my eyebrow at the "deity" remark.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:40 pm

Perhaps an article needs to be written about this. I think people feel like they can work with any everything, and it is safe to do so because lucky mojo sells it, and many other people here work with such saints. I agree that there needs to be a level of respect when working with saints, and like anything else things need to be researched, and a level of understanding needs to be grasped by the person.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:50 pm

Honestly, that same thing NEEDS to go for every magical tradition, not just in hoodoo. There's too much gumball-machine-spirit mentality going around in my opinion. Superficial spirit work leads to superficial results - spend the time getting educated and developing relationships with spirits and watch how much deeper your magic will go.

ShadowyEmbrace · Unread post by **ShadowyEmbrace** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:20 pm

I'm sorry everyone I didn't mean to come off like the Saints where simply gumball-machine-spirits I have the up most respect for all religions and have always admired Catholic traditions and artwork. I was raised very religious and have great respect I was simply inquiring but it may be best for me to not work with any saints in hoodoo until I'm more comfortable with it.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:34 am

ShadowyEmbrace, we weren't directing our comments at you specifically - it was just a comment on a modern trend of late in the Western magical communities. If you re-read ConjureMan's post to you, you'll see that.

Crescent Moon · Unread post by **Crescent Moon** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:24 pm

St, Jude, Angle De La Guarda, La Mano Poderosa, and St Micheal Archangle?

My landlord is loosing the building I live in...It is in Foreclosure and he filed bankruptcy .. First I would like to say I have been unemployed for over a year and I would give him what I could when I could he never admitted he was loosing the building. so my being behind in my rent has ran up the helt.
I asked for quick advice about a month ago and the advice was great! St. Expedite candle which has burned out. I did get a call on last Saturday for a job but so far I don't know how long I will work... it's a project that doesn't last too long.. but hey anything is better then nothing..So today I wake up with a letter in my mailbox from his attorney stating to pay him in 5 days... it also says that it is not a 5day notice but the next one will be and I will be removed..not only me but the entire residents now I have learned this building has been in Foreclosure for over seven months and on another note he is a slumlord.. he does not do anything for this building... I constantly find myself cleaning the stair well the laundry area I have to call on regular bases to fix things which takes him months to come around and fix I get so tired of having to wait I just do it myself... All I hear from him is Money Money Money that is all he wants, I never had a problem paying him before I became unemployed... he owned the building down the street and lost it last year and I had a feeling this one would be next and I was right..

Would anyone recommend a name paper for him and his attorney?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:27 pm

Yes you can light all these saint candles if you would like all at the same time, just make sure you pay or recognize each adequately when and if your petition is answered. You will have to pay each adequately considering you will not know if each saint helped you individually, or it was a combination of all of them. I know st. jude specifies an actual request of being published, or recognized in print. You will neede to research the rest.

Lily · Unread post by **Lily** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:07 pm

I've started with the suggestions given here and I gotta say I feel the difference. I have one more question though. Do those steps cover expelling a jinn from a person? Can I use LM products effectively to trap a jinni from a possessed individual?

On a side note, I am working with a rootworker on this case so I am not completely alone in handling it. I just want to see if there's anyone out here who had to deal with similar issues and has some experience to speak from.

Thank you in advance!

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:37 pm

Absolutely you can work with LM products, after all Near Eastern folk traditions are one of the many traditions that influence hoodoo.

An exorcism of a Djinn is worked just like the exorcism of any other spirit. Gain domination over it through a higher authority and draw it out. It is however work that may need the touch of a professional so turn to your rootworker to assist in it. I know that several members of AIRR are talented at dealing with negative spirits.

Augument your work by using products like Fiery Wall of Protection and Protection. As far as trapping the spirit--it may be best to simply expel it. If the spirit is lingering in your home use the outlined work, if it is attached on a person it can be driven off with protection and cleansings.

Crescent Moon · Unread post by **Crescent Moon** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:47 pm

Thank you Starinthesky7 I am praying that all this will just disappear

Crescent Moon · Unread post by **Crescent Moon** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:03 pm

I have been researching if my landlord can still collect rent if he is in Bankruptcy.. can't find anything as of yet... if anyone here knows the answer to this please inform me or enlighten me on a spell that I can do to get rid of all this..

Which candle can I light for the impossible?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:17 pm

Did you get the agreement between you and him in writing by paying when you can? If not YOU will have to pay him sooner or later. So you might want to work on doing something for that now. You will get taken to court on this manner. I am pretty sure of that. So you might want to start working doing something for him not to take you to court. Perhaps some bend over work or anything so that he will not sing up for the work. Him going into bankruptcy is his business. That is a separate manner from you owning months of rent, which will probably go towards whatever he owes the bank. If you are still wondering then you need to seek legal advise from someone that is able to give it to you, not the forum.

If you do not give him the money in 5 day or whatever then you are going to have to leave. Technically you should have been evicted anyways,a nd you are going to be evicted no matter what considering its in foreclosure. If not it will probably be taken over by something else. Regardless YOU need to start with some court case work, and you need to start looking for another place you can afford.

As for your job situation, you need to do work on that NOW rather than wait until your job is over, and scramble around for work. You should work with some steady work for this job, and steady work to draw you a new job. Do NOT wait until the last minute.

Crescent Moon · Unread post by **Crescent Moon** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:28 pm

you are right! I have made arrangements with him but he still gave what I owe and the entire building to his attorney. and I did order some items from LM just waiting on them, I am also doing candles what Ms Elvyra told me to do til my order arrives..but all my work is in the making before I got the letter..
I have been working on a great paying job. Ordered Steady work.. Crown of Success and Money Stay With Me.. and some candles... I have two honey jars going right now and been going for three weeks now. money for the landlord is in my petition... I thank you again Starinthesky7!

JCPA72 · Unread post by **JCPA72** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:57 pm

I work with Saints often and it's been my expierence that some don't mind working with others and others need their own space,(even when working with other Saints) this is something I learned through the process. If you are just beginning your work with Saints, my advice would be to work with one at a time, get to know them, as someone else posted, you will sense their energy when you approach them, develope your relationships with them individually, based on this knowledge you will know who can work together and who can't.

Untouchable · Unread post by **Untouchable** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:14 am

What saints do you use for break up/ separation or anything to get rid of a rival. Or cause fights with groups of people/friends?
What saints do you use for money, more customers and good health?

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:42 am

St Jude is for helper of the hopeless-- I NEVER USE HIM UNLESS I REALLY NEED HIM, out of respect. I have used him for health issues, and even issues involving work and money. (publish his prayer and directions 9 days etc. once answered). St Jude has NEVER failed-- delay maybe, but always works.
St Michael is for protection. I have used him to protect me and my family from people who have been harmful.
St Anthony For "lost items"
St Expeditie for "rapid results", specific issues like a certain amount of money-- pay him with flowers and pound cake.
Your question is very general... I recommend you do a search. As for a Saint to get rid of a rival (I do not believe using the Saints for break up or anything negative-- but this is my belief-- not necessarily shared by all) but I would use St Michael for Protection for you from this person.
There are many Saints-- MANY--. Research, find the ones that can assist you. Give back to them as instructed to do so.

Untouchable · Unread post by **Untouchable** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:42 am

What about the Loas?? When do u use them?

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:43 am

Untouchable wrote:What saints do you use for break up/ separation or anything to get rid of a rival. Or cause fights with groups of people/friends?
What saints do you use for money, more customers and good health?

One, you do not "use" Saints anymore then you "use" Jesus Christ or God The Father, they are spiritual entity's you work with and petition.

Secondly, they're Saints, unless you have a really really really good reason they are not going to break up a couple.

I suggest you buy the book Magical Power of the Saints: Evocation & Candle Rituals by Reverend Ray T. Malbrough, its a good place to start, you can buy it here http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatbooks.html

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:45 am

Untouchable wrote:What about the Loas?? When do u use them?

You do not. Again you do not "use" them, and you can't just decide to work with them, they come from a religion with its own customs and rituals and a complex initiatory system, you would need the guidance of a H'ougan or Mambo to work with the L'wa.

And thats is all off topic for this forum.

brujaha · Unread post by **brujaha** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:06 pm

Hi all,
I had cleansing baths and some work done to bring me the man with the qualities I am searching for. I recently had spiritual readings which told me I have found him, and that he is the man Ochun has brought me. I feel like this guy could be the one (because we have such a great connection when we are together). However, we have been spending time together for 3 months and he keeps lying to me. For example, when we met he explained there was a woman that he split with and she's nothing. Now, I find out he just took her on vacation with him.

Is it possible that the spirits would bring this guy to me (even if he sleeps with other women while he is with me). I care about him deeply and want him to be monogamous. I have burned several dressed candles on the matter. Do you think I am wasting my time, or should I just be patient and wait for him to leave her for good. I guess I expected no complications involved since he's supposed to be the guy I prayed for. Shouldn't it be an easy ride with "Mr. Right," if my spirits have helped draw him to me?

brujaha

Miss_Liz · Unread post by **Miss_Liz** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:15 pm

My spirit guide brought me my ex, just because they brought him to you doesn't mean he's "mr. right" it could just mean he's someone you're supposed to learn a lesson from, but this is from my own experience/spiritual belief. I'm also not sure "mr right" = easy relationship, anything worth having is worth working for, right? But yeah, if he's lying about things like that I would rethink the relationship and tell him so.

brujaha · Unread post by **brujaha** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:21 pm

Thank you, Ellis. I wanted so much for this one to be him, because I like the way he treats me more than any guy since '03. I'll discuss the lying with him and things will probably have to end, because it's probaby impossible to change a liar.

brujaha

Miss_Liz · Unread post by **Miss_Liz** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:24 pm

If he asks for another chance, I'd give it to him, personally, but tell him he only gets 1. If you do, work the crud out of him, it could be that he needs that kick in the pants to straighten up.

JCPA72 · Unread post by **JCPA72** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:54 pm

I agree with Brujaha, I was told my "ex" was the one, soulmate etc. One of the most important things I've learned is sometimes you are ready for the "one", but sometimes the "one" isn't ready for you, I think you should talk to him and do some love work to get his focus on you and you alone, if it's really meant to be, it will work itself out. I am in the process of working it out with the ex, he wasn't ready, but now after six months apart, he's realizing on his own, I am the one for him..yes I'm working a honey jar so I know it's helping us but sometimes we need to realize, each of us is on a journey of our own, and we don't always get to the same place at the same time but if something is really worth it, you do end up working alot on it.. Hope that helps and Good Luck!!

ShadowyEmbrace · Unread post by **ShadowyEmbrace** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:28 pm

Spirit Guides/Guardian Angels don't make mistakes, they are there to guide you through life. Like the other poster said it might not be "Mr. Right" but if he brought him back to you then there must be a reason for it... It might not be the man you'll spend the rest of your life with but you will learn something profound about yourself. Never doubt your spirit guide/Angel.

cipher · Unread post by **cipher** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:29 pm

I second , third and fourth every advice given here. Life isn't really about finding mr right in a hurry, but about getting to the point where we finally deserve to become mrs right. And sometimes it takes a lot of jerks for us to recognize what a good deal REALLY looks like. The learning process may not seem like fun, but its what makes you grow as a person...

I suggest you sit down and figure out what you really want in mr right and whats sort of negotiable and then see how this guy measures up. You could also work with the clarity line of products in LM and if this guy does not fit the bill there is always the cut and clear line to help you get over it.

But it starts with you: what are you looking for and what are you willing to settle for?

Good luck! And yes, never doubt your spirit guides...they can see further out than you can !

brujaha · Unread post by **brujaha** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:45 pm

LOL @ ". . . work the crud out of him, it could be that he needs that kick in the pants to straighten up."

Thank you all for the invaluable advice. I'll keep you posted on the outcome.

brujaha

Aina2 · Unread post by **Aina2** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:14 am

Dear brujaha,

1) You guys have been seeing each other for only 3 months
2) He's been lying to you constantly
3) He's been cheating on you the entire time

Ask yourself: would you want to put up with that kind of behavior from a guy you are dating?
Does he hurt you? If yes, then your emotional needs are not being met. I understand your concern about the spirit guide, but he surely doesn't look like a good guy to date. Spellwork aside, men need to be held accountable for their action. Let him know how much he hurt you and let him deal with it on his own. In the meantime, I advise to do some more Spirit Guide work if you would so like. Ask her to empower you, and don't settle for losers like him.

That's just my advice, take it or leave it. I wish you the best.

brujaha · Unread post by **brujaha** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:17 pm

I agree with you Aina, but the sad truth is that this is the current state of things. None of the men that I have met (and been attracted to) want to be committed, or they already are committed and want a mistress. I am trying to learn the rules of dating, and it appears that I have to expect a man to be dating (and screwing) someone else when I meet him.

So, I feel like I have no right to consider him "cheating," since he never declared us a couple, and he was dating her for about 6 months before I met him. I'm really hurt that 3 months later, this woman is still there. I feel like on some level he does want to end it with her, but feels bad that she will be hurt (and she'll have her mom calling him). However, just because I came along later, I don't deserve to be hurt, while her feelings get spared.

So far, he is back from his trip with her, and he has not called me. I intend to ignore him for a while when he finally decides to contact me. I think I have become too accessible for him. Plus, I need to buy myself a little time to figure out how to converse with him without being angry (and envisioning him on vacation with another woman)

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I guess I am at a point in my life where I feel like I want to repair the flawed dude I already have coming around, since it seems they are all flawed anyway. And I really feel like he and I connect very deeply when we are together, which never happens for me. This man is actually intuitive (he's pisces, i'm scorpio) enough to catch subtle changes in my mood or to know what I am thinking at times. We talk for hours when he is in my presence (not much contact when we are apart), and he's really polite. I guess I just want to "build" a good man for myself with some of the parts he already has, because they are more difficult to acquire. Now if I can just re-wire the lying unfaithful part. . .

brujaha

nena1974 · Unread post by **nena1974** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:32 pm

ay brujita...sounds like youre looking for a project

. but sadly there are some parts of a man that just can not be "rewired" if hes a cheater at heart he will always be a cheater, and no amount of work will change that

Aina2 · Unread post by **Aina2** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:49 pm

Dear brujaha,

I can totally see what you mean, and it sucks to see that you are obviously hurt. I also agree it's a jungle out there and a good man is hard to find. But it's not impossible. I feel like if you keep settling for people who cheat on you early in the relationship, you get scarred by those experiences and expect nothing more of love as a result. My point is, the man has hurt you and he is now waiting for you to reestablish contact with him. He also expects you to chicken out to call him out of his lies and let things go, more or less. That's basically giving him a free pass to hurt you more and making a habit out of cheating and lying. His message to you is clear: he's important, and you are not.

I know you are probably scared of being alone and terrified of dating again and rather stick with him than no one at all. That's exactly what he wants! If he can have two women and no consequences, he will do just that.

My advise would be to muster up the courage and drop this man. Don't call him first, don't answer him if he calls. Light a candle to your spirit guide asking her for strength, courage and independence. Next, pray to Archangel Raphael to heal your emotional wounds and bring you the right guy -- the one who will actually do things to make sure you are happy. It's a big world, and I am sure you won't end up alone. Either way, it's better to be alone, but strong and independent, than date somebody who constantly hurts your feelings and undermines your sense of self.

I can promise you that you are not alone in this situation. Many people feel this way and they do in fact wind up lonely or in bad relationships with cheaters, liars and abusers. However, you do have the advantage of knowing conjure and having a relationship with a Spirit Guide over regular people.

JCPA72 · Unread post by **JCPA72** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:40 pm

Okay.. playing Devil's Advocate.. I kinda understand where she's coming from, mine is not perfect either, but the good that I see in him makes it worth trying atleast. Yes, I too have been told by friends and family alike, let him go, he'll never change etc. etc, but sometimes they do change, I see mine doing it right now and NOT because I did any major spell work, all I've done is the honey jar and a novena to St. Martha to help him with his depression but more importantly I gave him space, stop chasing him like a sad puppy and return to being the woman I was when I met him three years ago. Not that I am saying Brujah's doing that, just using my story as an example. Sometimes people have to figure themselves out.. in a way all men are projects, some are just easier than others. But guess what, sometimes us women can be projects too.. lol Each of us is responsible for ourselves first and what we put out there in the world, the best advice I think we could give each other as women, is know yourself, know what you want, need etc.. and lastly know what you can compromise on.. it's then when you can really decide who's worth it and who's not.. Just my two cents

Hope it helps...

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:52 pm

I have always respected Haildiscordias replies. HD educated me today on word usage of the word "use" with regard to Saints. I had word regurgetation myself. I should have utilized another word-- a better word like prayer and should have been more clear myself. HD is correct, you do not "use: the Saints; moreover, I would not recommend for breakup work.
I have no knowledge of the the Loas.