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The Mystics, Mages, and Magical Places CHAT LOG, October 2, 2023 4:00pm PT - 5:30pm PT
2023-10-02 18:50 rev_art Helloooooo everyone!
2023-10-02 18:51 lmcradionetwork Gearing up for a wonderful show!
2023-10-02 18:53 trollt Arrived!!
2023-10-02 18:54 rev_art Welcome @trollt!
2023-10-02 18:55 docmurphy1 Hi All!
2023-10-02 18:55 trollt Thank you kindly.
2023-10-02 18:56 trollt Welcome @reverendjames
2023-10-02 18:57 phyllismargretgabor hello hello
2023-10-02 18:58 rev_art Hello @phyllismargretgabor!
2023-10-02 18:58 phyllismargretgabor @rev_art i thought about you yesterday when i harvested my lavender again
2023-10-02 18:59 rev_art Aww! I WILL get it to grow here, lol
2023-10-02 18:59 phyllismargretgabor yes you will!!!
2023-10-02 18:59 phyllismargretgabor lol
2023-10-02 18:59 phyllismargretgabor i found 2 different varieties of mugwort in my backyard! I'm so excited
2023-10-02 19:00 lmcradionetwork L-M-C!
2023-10-02 19:00 docmurphy1 WOOOOOOOOOOOO
2023-10-02 19:01 rev_art Hello @wickwayisup!
2023-10-02 19:01 wickwayisup Hello Friends!
2023-10-02 19:01 reverendjames Hello Hello!
2023-10-02 19:02 rev_art I've heard this song so many times now and it STILL gives me goosebumps when that beat hits, lol
2023-10-02 19:05 rev_art Hello @dr-sweets!
2023-10-02 19:05 dr-sweets hello
2023-10-02 19:05 rev_art Hello @kayoates !
2023-10-02 19:05 trollt Elle DuVall!!!
2023-10-02 19:06 reverendjames Hi @dr-sweets !
2023-10-02 19:06 reverendjames Over 700 pages!
2023-10-02 19:07 trollt
https://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/Sitemap
2023-10-02 19:07 phyllismargretgabor we get excited lol
2023-10-02 19:07 reverendjames <-^
2023-10-02 19:08 docmurphy1
https://www.hayriverfirehaven.org/
2023-10-02 19:09 dr-sweets hello @reveredjames
2023-10-02 19:09 dr-sweets I meant reverend...lol
2023-10-02 19:10 rev_art He won't complain, lol
2023-10-02 19:10 dr-sweets ...flat spongy laptop keys
2023-10-02 19:10 reverendjames I don't mind being revered
2023-10-02 19:11 dr-sweets LOL
2023-10-02 19:11 wickwayisup lol
2023-10-02 19:11 trollt Expand "CAMP" in text here for us?
2023-10-02 19:11 reverendjames welcome @happy-go-luckyy!
2023-10-02 19:12 docmurphy1 Cultural Archive of Modern Paganism
2023-10-02 19:12 docmurphy1 501(c)3
2023-10-02 19:12 dr-sweets I wish I could use my ring and pinky fingers...almost time to put on my splints to stretch them out.
2023-10-02 19:12 trollt Thank you!
2023-10-02 19:12 docmurphy1 Thank YOU!
2023-10-02 19:13 reverendjames
https://www.facebook.com/Pagan.Archive
2023-10-02 19:13 trollt What are other organizations which are like CAMP?
2023-10-02 19:13 docmurphy1 NONE YET! HAHAHA
2023-10-02 19:13 trollt Which came before or are current extant. None? OK!
2023-10-02 19:14 happy-go-luckyy
hi
2023-10-02 19:14 trollt I know there are Witch Museums like on the Isle of Man.
2023-10-02 19:14 rev_art Welcome @happy-go-luckyy!
2023-10-02 19:14 dr-sweets Initiated ATR's don’t write stuff down on purpose.
2023-10-02 19:15 trollt Not all of Paganism is initiated.
2023-10-02 19:15 happy-go-luckyy Hi all!
2023-10-02 19:15 dr-sweets true its different
2023-10-02 19:15 phyllismargretgabor oh I totally wanna watch that!
2023-10-02 19:16 trollt What's the best way to preserve things?
2023-10-02 19:16 wickwayisup Some ATR's do you just have to keep it secret
2023-10-02 19:17 rev_art Hello @josephgibson!
2023-10-02 19:18 dr-sweets folks borrow, use, steal....and if it works they continue on so there is a real mixture of magic traditions. It seems that hoodoo (or southern folk magic) has several mixtures that seems to work.
2023-10-02 19:18 reverendjames welcome @beau2
2023-10-02 19:19 beau2 good evening
2023-10-02 19:21 rev_art
https://www.amazon.com/Prodea-Cookbook- ... 1312008458
2023-10-02 19:21 dr-sweets You go through a process in that initiation. You don't go from start to grand magician ( or whatever highest title) in just a few months and you will be expected not to share or document certain things....[else they may come after you...LOL]
2023-10-02 19:22 wickwayisup I had to wait a year and a day
2023-10-02 19:24 rev_art
https://www.amazon.com/Presented-Auxili ... 0996052305
2023-10-02 19:24 dr-sweets yes some paths call it a devotee or something like that before you get any real training.
2023-10-02 19:24 reverendjames In the tradition I was initiated in, it too was a year and a day between degrees. Though I only took them when I felt I was ready (2nd - 3rd I believe was about 3 years)
2023-10-02 19:24 trollt
https://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoofood.html
2023-10-02 19:25 docmurphy1 Let's DANCE!
2023-10-02 19:25 rev_art Always!
2023-10-02 19:25 wickwayisup it takes that long to get to know the path and the people you are walking it with
2023-10-02 19:25 dr-sweets Thats why Miss Cat’s course is popular for many
2023-10-02 19:26 dr-sweets no initiation...well you must complete he course...LOL...she use to say that all the time
2023-10-02 19:27 rev_art
https://rootdocmurphy.com/2023/09/13/ne ... esnt-work/
2023-10-02 19:27 wickwayisup it's difficult to find someone you can trust. Thats why Miss Cat is special
2023-10-02 19:27 trollt Compare "what works" with "what reduces symptoms of illness" -- i.e. what has an apparent effect to its cause.
2023-10-02 19:29 trollt When can we be sure that doing something magical will do something effective?
2023-10-02 19:31 trollt Are there "magic working" barometrics? Best divination devices to assess it?
2023-10-02 19:31 dr-sweets Some Christian southern folk magic people say evil work is easy to do since the devil or his "imps" actually do the work for you. So when that Christian has judgement before God the devil will be there to testify against you going to heaven...
2023-10-02 19:32 wickwayisup is it better to be specific in magic or do spells for general changes
2023-10-02 19:33 dr-sweets that's why some are very interested in trollt and his working with the devil.
2023-10-02 19:35 reverendjames that’s pretty powerful right there!
2023-10-02 19:39 trollt People aren't always alone in what they are doing; they use their mentors for their judgement and pursue their magic emotionally with intensity because they think it fuels the result.
2023-10-02 19:40 dr-sweets In some initiated paths they attack you and you must defend yourself...in order to learn. You learn to cleanse and protect first before any other workings. Then the attack comes. If unsuccessful then you don't progress to the next level.
2023-10-02 19:40 trollt Are all results visible?
2023-10-02 19:41 trollt Are there means of evaluating the INVISIBLE results?
2023-10-02 19:41 trollt Can magic's results affect POTENTIAL, or means, or one's disposition such that FUTURE results will be more likely to succeed?
2023-10-02 19:42 wickwayisup Magick is like being a mad scientist. You have to bring a lot of variables together. Time, people, circumstances & etc.
2023-10-02 19:42 trollt Are less conflicted affects easier to manage? Like making an amulet that will assist by building power to use later to do more difficult tasks.
2023-10-02 19:42 wickwayisup * circumstances
2023-10-02 19:43 trollt Petrefaction, Cleansing, Refinement
2023-10-02 19:43 trollt Solve et coagula
2023-10-02 19:43 wickwayisup You always have good questions Trollt
2023-10-02 19:43 trollt Thank you kindly.
2023-10-02 19:43 reverendjames and don't worry, I'm keeping up with them all
2023-10-02 19:44 trollt Is it beneficial to hire professionals to assist us like when we want to do specialist work on stuff in which we are involved? In non-magical chores and projects this is the norm.
2023-10-02 19:45 trollt In magic, how much of the work, and which, should be done by these assistants as compared to oneself? I.e. are there particular things which are better done by us as the focus of the spell?
2023-10-02 19:46 trollt Are there dimensions or levers of cause we should be aware of in trying to cause change in particular ways? I have the following thesis which I find helpful and accurate: the best dimension of magic's employment is that in which we wish to see change happen. I.e. if you just do the magic mentally then mentality is the best dimension for magic's effects. Want physical results, better to do spellwork and ritual physically.
2023-10-02 19:48 trollt What is the best way to know when to stop trying or to know when one is banging one's head fruitlessly upon unmovable obstacles? Is it again the same kind of thing: divination for such results?
2023-10-02 19:49 trollt What is the best way to evaluate the Magical Link? I.e. the connective symbolic tissue and language that forms spells and leads to the cause we seek to employ: How can we effectively analyze the Magical Link's quality and character so as to optimize it?
2023-10-02 19:50 wickwayisup What do you do when the outcome doesn’t come out the way you hoped but later something better comes along?
2023-10-02 19:51 trollt Extension / example: "Will capturing a person's signature of footprint be enough? Will i need to get some of their body fluids in order to get my way in the magical force world?
2023-10-02 19:51 trollt Is appearing weak a problem?
2023-10-02 19:51 trollt Yin yin yin yin yin
2023-10-02 19:57 trollt For many folk magicians they don't connect the religious aspects to the spellwork. I.e. mastery, gnosis, etc., aren't at all on their radar. This appears to be a focus of Pagans and Chaos Magicians.
2023-10-02 19:58 reverendjames 30 min remain in the show before the end music starts.
2023-10-02 19:58 trollt I have heard some similar things from Christian magicians: they combine their activities magically with their religious activities. Some Buddhists do too (i.e. they translate 'mantra' as 'spell' and report that their religious disciplines are spellwork).
2023-10-02 20:00 reverendjames 12 Questions in queue!
2023-10-02 20:00 trollt The way I learned witchcraft, however, it was not at all connected with religious principles or virtues (humility, spiritual disciplines, even insight).
2023-10-02 20:01 trollt New Age and Pagan teachers seemed to emphasize these things, as did some Hindus, Buddhists, and Muslims.
2023-10-02 20:01 trollt Perhaps the context of its practice influences this.
2023-10-02 20:06 trollt be sure - Have confidence to move forward, yes.
2023-10-02 20:08 trollt Examples?
2023-10-02 20:08 trollt individual - Fine but illustrate it for us.
2023-10-02 20:09 trollt Are there magical means of becoming objective?
2023-10-02 20:10 trollt Clarity spells, for example.
2023-10-02 20:10 trollt Insight spells
2023-10-02 20:11 trollt All kinds of them seem implied.
2023-10-02 20:11 trollt Yes! Quartz!
2023-10-02 20:14 trollt It appeared there was a series of questions of focus: 1) does it work? 2) how can we properly assess it? 3) how can we become suited to that assessing position? If it's so personal, perhaps it isn't what it seems. Examples would be beneficial; scenarios described.
2023-10-02 20:16 trollt There's a push-pull relationship between mystical adaptation to the circumstances and the magical trying to craft or mould circumstances to suit you.
2023-10-02 20:18 reverendjames 10 minutes remain before end music
2023-10-02 20:18 trollt What the roots and minerals have in mind for you?
2023-10-02 20:21 wickwayisup Thank you
2023-10-02 20:22 wickwayisup Fantastic
2023-10-02 20:23 wickwayisup lol
2023-10-02 20:23 reverendjames 5 minutes remaining before end music.
2023-10-02 20:24 phyllismargretgabor I'm listening to the archives and hearing some of the members of AIRR call in and knowing where they are now is inspiring
2023-10-02 20:24 trollt Becoming clear about when to change from wanting the "wrong" thing and starting to want the "right" thing is to what i was referring above, yes.
2023-10-02 20:26 trollt Are there means of evaluating the INVISIBLE results? - I thought some of them might be detailed.
2023-10-02 20:26 trollt One that occurs to me: Tarot readings.
2023-10-02 20:26 trollt I see Miss Cat make assessments of that for clients all the time.
2023-10-02 20:27 phyllismargretgabor I would love that show too!
2023-10-02 20:28 dr-sweets now I want a twinkie....
2023-10-02 20:28 trollt Re: Potential: this was part of the "invisible" thing I mentioned previously.
2023-10-02 20:31 trollt That question follows from the notions of magical exploits in contests one against another as compared to running a marathon or working out where one attempts to do something without a competitor who may be resisting one's activity.
2023-10-02 20:33 trollt Is the most mature magician a mystic of some success, becoming completely satisfied with all outcomes?
2023-10-02 20:35 trollt Are mystic masters likely to be powerful magicians? There is much talk of siddhis which are side benefits of spiritual disciplines, and in Hermeticism meditation and all kinds of spiritual "work" are valuable to get what one wants or change so as to like what one gets?
2023-10-02 20:38 wickwayisup Does timing matter or just when you really need something to happen. Like astrology etc.
2023-10-02 20:38 reverendjames 20 minutes remain till end music
2023-10-02 20:39 hadassah1965 How can you know when someone to hire is authentically gifted and can do the work?
2023-10-02 20:41 dr-sweets Now that's a good question.... especially with so many scammers out there.
2023-10-02 20:41 trollt works best for them - I'm trying to step beyond that into "what works best in general" - if there's nothing predictable, so be it.
2023-10-02 20:44 hadassah1965 I just don't have a community, I've only been educating myself, and listening to my guides whenever I can hear or feel them around me. I've been searching for a while
2023-10-02 20:44 trollt When can we be sure that doing something magical will do something effective? - There was quite a bit of focus on "certainty" but the intention of this question was when one can come to the decision that magic *is* something which should be attempted because an assessment that it is likely or possible to be effective. Quite a number of my questions relate to and can be easily fielded by referral to readings assessment; this is an aspect of hoodoo which I found interesting; it's not something I have heard you touch on much this episode.
2023-10-02 20:46 reverendjames
https://www.readersandrootworkers.org/w ... ure_Doctor
2023-10-02 20:47 dr-sweets Here's a good or fun question...Does it make any real difference to do magic naked? Whether in a group of solo.
2023-10-02 20:48 trollt Thus the focus on invisibility, yes.
2023-10-02 20:50 dr-sweets 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months or up to 3 years...most won’t wait until 3 years to see results. Something about the 3's
2023-10-02 20:51 trollt what I heard was 3 days, 3 weeks, and 3 months.
2023-10-02 20:52 dr-sweets yes the 3 years may happen because the target may be blocking and slip up in 3 years and stop the protection
2023-10-02 20:52 trollt Also depends on what is being attempted, like Doc Murphy says: for Reconciliation of a 10-20 years relation, 3 months might not be enough.
2023-10-02 20:53 dr-sweets true...that's why the reasoning of 3's has become a popular saying
2023-10-02 20:54 dr-sweets ...never gets explained
2023-10-02 20:54 reverendjames 3 min remaining
2023-10-02 20:55 dr-sweets ...ha ha you slayeth me right on time with the 3...LOL
2023-10-02 20:57 reverendjames :D
2023-10-02 20:58 lmcradionetwork Another great show!
2023-10-02 20:58 phyllismargretgabor great episode guys!
2023-10-02 20:58 docmurphy1 Love you all! Thank you!!
2023-10-02 20:58 trollt Yay! Reading Palooza!
2023-10-02 20:58 wickwayisup fantastic
2023-10-02 20:58 phyllismargretgabor next week is going to be so fun!!
2023-10-02 20:58 rev_art Thank you SO much for joining us @docmurphy1 !
2023-10-02 20:58 trollt Thanks for all your insights, Doc Murphy!
2023-10-02 20:59 docmurphy1 Thank you fir making my head hurt! LOL
2023-10-02 21:00 phyllismargretgabor readingpaloza part deux!
2023-10-02 21:00 reverendjames audio is processing!
2023-10-02 21:00 trollt Grabbing the chat!
2023-10-02 21:00 reverendjames Thanks everyone
2023-10-02 21:00 rev_art @docmurphy1 So much awesomeness tonight...and so much more to come!
2023-10-02 21:01 reverendjames Thanks @trollt
2023-10-02 21:01 rev_art And thank you to everyone for joining us tonight! The Monday Night Crew!
2023-10-02 21:01 reverendjames I grabbed a copy as well!
2023-10-02 21:02 lmcradionetwork Assimilating the chat
2023-10-02 21:02 phyllismargretgabor i just love all the episodes y'all put out. Thanks for another great one. goodnight everyone. have a great week
2023-10-02 21:02 reverendjames How did we get to the delta quadrant?!
2023-10-02 21:02 reverendjames Absolutely @phyllismargretgabor
2023-10-02 21:03 trollt Delta Quadrant? What's that?
2023-10-02 21:03 rev_art Thank you @phyllismargretgabor!
2023-10-02 21:03 reverendjames Assimilating the chat - Where the Borg are from lol
2023-10-02 21:03 rev_art @trollt Star Trek Voyager reference, lol
2023-10-02 21:03 trollt Aha!
2023-10-02 21:04 trollt I'm told that STNG 2 is all about Q - is that accurate?
2023-10-02 21:04 trollt (2: second season)
2023-10-02 21:04 reverendjames Q starts STNG - with the Encounter at Farpoint
2023-10-02 21:05 trollt Is 2nd season primarily featuring Q?
2023-10-02 21:05 rev_art Q was pretty prominent in season 2 for sure. His episodes are some of my favorties, across TNG, DS9 and Voyager. And then the whole second season of Picard was fueled by Q.
2023-10-02 21:06 trollt That was it!
2023-10-02 21:06 trollt 2nd season of PICARD!
2023-10-02 21:06 reverendjames lol
2023-10-02 21:06 rev_art This is why we're all friends, lol
2023-10-02 21:07 rev_art Have a wonderful week everyone! G'nite!
2023-10-02 21:07 reverendjames Goodnight!
2023-10-02 21:07 lmcradionetwork Re-assimilating the chat now, lol
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