Too Many Spells, Spell Burn-Out, Spell Overload

Miss_Liz · Unread post by **Miss_Liz** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:07 am

Depends on how much you can personally handle. Some can only handle 1 or 2 others can handle a butt load. I personally have 6 on going spells, 2 mojos and 2 St petitions going right now (of course all but 4 are for the same purpose but different angles so I'm not sure if they count separately or not) and I'm still more than capable of throwing in a single cast spell in between those.
It's all about how much you as a person can handle.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:46 am

I would say if you are first starting out that you should stick to one or two. You do not need to do a whole bunch of candles. If it is for the same thing, I would say break it down into small parts, and goals. Not to mention sometimes doing a lot of candles at once depletes your energy, and operating at half full while doing stuff is not good for the spell work.

Unread post by **wraithklewn** » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:21 pm

i want to do some work with these products. can they be used simultaneously on candles when the goal is for a target to get rid of another? or should these be kept separate and used on separate candle and petitions etc?

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:06 pm

They could be used simultaneously if you wished, but it is more common to work out a sort of map of the territory you wish to spiritually travel or a narrative of the story you wish your life to become. You might start by casting off evil, then opening your roads, then drawing to you whatever you seek in terms of money, love, health, protection, or success.

Bella_Dellanotte · Unread post by **Bella_Dellanotte** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:22 am

need some help guys. Got a great reading from Miss Bri. she told me that the reason I'm not seeing my love spells manifesting too much physically is cuz of the possibility that I'm doing too much, that they might be clashing or cannibalizing each other.
thing is I'm not sure which things to end (or even everything that I did) and some things were done by my friend who seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth.

so I'm thinking theoretically... lust spells worked so well, maybe the lust overpowers the love and I should end the lust spells since he likely can still be physically attracted without them...my only concern is if he noticeably feels less then it might set off an alarm to him, that could work against me...then again if that leaves the way open for the emotions it could work in my favour.

I don't want to do anything that reverses the spell and creates the opposite effect. but I know that I have to clean this up to get results.

I did a commanding spell as well...
I'm thinking if I focus on 1 or 2 intents that will be okay, like the love and the "doing something about your feelings!"
I'm getting a honey jar spell done by Bri but it seems that maybe I should cut off the lust and I don't know what else to do or how to do it

Help on this matter is much appreciated. Theoretical advice, and relavent LM product suggestions as well

Thanks guys, I really want to see this go well

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:34 am

I always recommend that if you've had a consultation with a rootworker on your case that you ask that rootworker these questions. They have already read on your situation, talked to you about it in depth, and know what is going on spiritually. We are just offering general advice on a public forum - it can in no way be as accurate as info you will be provided with through a worker that has read for you.

Bella_Dellanotte · Unread post by **Bella_Dellanotte** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:34 am

I'm just asking if theoretically/magically it would make sense that a lust spell might overpower love spells on a person who is clearly more inclined to lust. and if so, what products would be good to help my situation. that's what this forum is for, according to the description. Only I can clean up my mess. Bri has told me to focus on 1 or 2 things, reasoning it out with others helps. talking down to me doesn't.
thanks!

route95 · Unread post by **route95** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:20 am

Honestly, Miss Bri would gladly and quickly respond to any questions on whatever you want regarding the reading. However, it's been said that if someone's personality/nature is more inclined to one thing it will be easier to get them to bend that way through magic.

Sorry I cant help more. I have to run out the door.

Bella_Dellanotte · Unread post by **Bella_Dellanotte** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:29 am

route95 wrote:Honestly, Miss Bri would gladly and quickly respond to any questions on whatever you want regarding the reading. However, it's been said that if someone's personality/nature is more inclined to one thing it will be easier to get them to bend that way through magic.

Sorry I cant help more. I have to run out the door.

see that's what I figured, right? using lust, but then if they're more inclined that way then it might overpower whatever love focused magic is targeted. if they're so into the lust and they're getting what they want, why pursue more? they might just see it as all attributed to lust if that's the main feeling they're getting

route95 · Unread post by **route95** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:56 pm

It seems like you may be overthinking a bit.

I would definitely just make a plan... if you think lust would be easier work on that first. I've had relationships start off purely on lust and turn into something more. It isn't rare.

Bella_Dellanotte · Unread post by **Bella_Dellanotte** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:08 am

that's what I did but all summer it's been stagnant, lust lust lust. the guy wasn't inclined towards relationships in the first place. so if he's getting what he wants why would he turn it into something else? that's why emotions need to have more influence. but then emotions can make guys close up. so here I am.

route95 · Unread post by **route95** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:22 am

emotions can make guys close up

It can make ANYONE close up... I guess. It isn't just a "guy" thing. If you think him developing emotions is making him pull away.

Anyway, Miss Bri said you're probably doing too much. Let the honey jar do its work. I understand wanting to be thorough and wanting all your spellwork and time to be fruitful, but honey jars are powerful. I think it's best to keep in touch with Miss Bri and keep up the patience.

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:58 am

Hi there,

Bella--as we discussed in our reading you are doing too much and your energy definitely has spread itself thin so you want to focus on a couple of things. Working the lust angle for some situations is great, but if that's all there is after time and you want more then the magic needs to go deeper. And Route95 and miss cat are right, feeling like guys close up when their emotions are involved might make the work harder going.
Good luck,
Bri

wjatwell2 · Unread post by **wjatwell2** » Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:54 am

Is it possible to have too much spell work going for ONE situation? In othe words, if i cast a spell to get someone out of my life and i go back and do another one that i also found that will help me get them away, will the spells cancel out each other or will it just work stronger, faster etc...???? Also, is it a thing as doing too much spell work on one paticular situation?

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:26 am

You should get a reading on your situation to see how the work you've done and are currently doing is landing, and if you need more or not. More spells will not necessarily work stronger or faster - but you can strategize and have different spells working from different angles on the same issue if need be. But you can definitely burn yourself out by working too much, and that doesn't help your case at all. Give the work you've done some chance to manifest before doing more work - and a reading will help you determine how things are going.

You can find a good reader at http://www.readersandrootworkers.org

Unread post by **butchcomer** » Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:32 am

I like to do one spell at a time. It's important not to over obsess. I find it usually takes some time for spells to work or begin working. I'm not sure spells would cancel each other out, in fact it's pretty common for them to back each other up, but I try not to water a flower with a fire hose, if ya know what I mean. hahaha but that's just me. I will use different spells to try to get at a goal from different angles, but try not to over do it. Work your spell, have faith, give it a little time and then if something else is needed, proceed.

wjatwell2 · Unread post by **wjatwell2** » Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:20 pm

thanx sooooo much. your advice is appreciated. i am always amazed at the "professionals" that have studied to aquire this knowledge. i also respect those who have done the "work" and seen achievments.

i thank you for the time that you took to reply to my post. you dont know how much that means to me.

vataoa · Unread post by **vataoa** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:13 pm

I was wondering if i could do a reconcile spell along with a return to me and love me spell all at once or is it better to do them one at a time?

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:25 pm

You should start that kind of work with a reading to determine the details of what is going on, and what works you will need to do to get the best effect. That way you can go about your work in the most efficient manner for your individual case.

You can find a list of rootworkers who can read for you here: http://www.readersandrootworkers.org

vataoa · Unread post by **vataoa** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:03 pm

i already had a reading i was just wondering if there was a way to make it stronger...thank you for the advice though

thelightfantastic · Unread post by **thelightfantastic** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:13 pm

Throwing two or three different spells at a situation doesn't necessarily make the work "stronger" or even work faster. The strength of spell is dependent on the practitioner and the faith behind the work, not the amount of spells one can do.

With something like reconciliation, more than one spell is probably going to be needed as the situation is probably complex. You're going to need to work on healing the rift between you two while also bringing them back. That can be tricky hence the advise to get a reading to figure out the best course of action.

Good luck.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:49 pm

I agree that working three spells at once can be overly complex and also overly expensive.

Since you have already had a reading, ask your reader for a rootwork consultation or magical coaching session in which the two of you can plan out how you should interconnect the three spells to save time and money.

Most all of the AIRR readers will book you for a magical coaching session at the same rate they charge for readings. Being walked through the process necessary here would require no more than a half-hour session with me -- an hour at most. I am sure that others are comparable.

This will be far less expensive than hiring the reader to perform the rootwork for you, of course.

Good luck.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:13 pm

Not to mention the energy it takes to work three spells, especially if you are trying this for the first time...vataoa Do you have contact with the individual? Good Luck in your work.

vataoa · Unread post by **vataoa** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:22 am

Thank you for the advice definitely good information I don't want to over work or complex the situation that's why I was asking. So how long should I wait before starting other work or the same work because I know I have to do reconcile work a few times so how longer after should I wait to start another one or just work in general? Thank you again to everyone.

Jwmcclin yes I still talk to her but after fews days that we are talkin she pulls away and she won't talk to me then within a week 2 the most we're talkin again.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:44 am

vataoa, i was not suggesting that you perform the three spells in consecutive order, therefore the question of how long to "wait before starting other work" is not relevant.

What i suggested was working with a competent rootworker who can show you a way to interconnect the three spells. I have done this myself and i have taught several ways of doing it to clients of mine, but since there is no "one size fits all" plan for the interlinkage of these spells, the subject is too individualized and too complex for me to spend time trying to describe it here on the forum.

Good luck!

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:40 pm

something is definitely there, she comes back...follow cat's advice, work with a competent rootworker who can show you a way to interconnect the three spells, especially since they each have similar elements...reconcile, return and love... Since you have a relationship with a reader, again consider and follow cat's advice for a consultation. Good Luck!

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:21 pm

Ditto!

BlessedOne · Unread post by **BlessedOne** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:12 am

I am not sure if this is the right forum for my question, appreciate if someone would advise me if it is not, and my apologies in advance. If it is, appreciate any thoughts and advice.

I currently have a rootworker working on finding a permanent relationship for me. This work has been going on for about a month. The results are slow in coming, but I am persevering.

At the same time, I also have a great need for help in my professional life. I can't say that I am doing too badly in this area. However, I am in a situation where my boss is very obviously not interested in giving me the exposure needed for me to move up the ladder. She has also been taking credit for a lot of work that I do, and looking good for it. However, the company that we are in does have an open policy on moving senior people around, and my current boss is likely to move on to another position in a year or two. Even then, she is highly insecure and has a great need to be in the limelight constantly - this includes being lauded and admired for both her work as well as personal aspects such as her looks and personality. This is for real, believe me.

To be honest about it, she is insecure because without trying very hard, I am attractive in looks and personality, as well as being known for my good work. On the surface, we get along really well, but she clamps down on every single opportunity that gives me exposure to the senior management. This includes professional events that I was an attendee of before she became my boss. I no longer attend or am a part of any of these events. And it is clear to me that she resents it immensely when I am invited by other departments to attend their events.

I am working towards taking over her position when she moves on, but without the exposure (which is the only thing that will work against me), it will be very difficult. Even though her moving on is slated for at least a year away, the way the company is structured is such that you need to be working at it for that long to get noticed, and hence considered as a potential.

My question is: does it make sense for me to engage a different rootworker to work on this for me now, whilst I have a rootworker doing the relationship work for me?

To any potential suggestion that I get the same rootworker to do my professional life work for me, that is not a consideration as I am at this point not 100% comfortable with this rootworker for various reasons.

Thank you for reading this, and for any advice given.

kmew1315 · Unread post by **kmew1315** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:08 am

Since they're two completely unrelated works, I see no problem with going to two different workers. The only thing I would caution on would be going to two different workers for the same work.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:50 pm

Rootworkers can absolutely work together on the same case, or even help a client in different parts of the client's life. As spiritual people they don't have a problem with cooperation so long as it is approached with honesty and transparency. If you keep the work of one rootworker from the other then you're headed for trouble.

If you have a rootworker who is talented in love work while another prefers money matters you can have each work on that aspect of your life. Make sure you get the agreement of both before you proceed and keep the lines of communication open.

Good luck.

BlessedOne · Unread post by **BlessedOne** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:05 am

Thank you ConjureMan and kmew1315 for your advice.

ConjureMan, I just want to clarify: even if the works are on different aspects of my life, I should inform the current rootworker of my intent to get someone else to work on the different aspect for me?

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:10 am

Absolutely. Rootworkers aren't some random retail customer service representative but your spiritual counsellor and guide, why hide such information from them. In fact ask their opinion on the matter, "doctor/ miss rootworker you are currently working on my love situation would you advise that I get help on my career too? Would you mind working with this other rootworker? Do you have any recommendations?"

Being forthright is very important

Unread post by **JayDee** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:21 am

you can get a crown of success spell kit to get recognition for the work you do and /or land the promo.

Willowspell · Unread post by **Willowspell** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:36 am

strawberrykid wrote:Thank you ConjureMan and kmew1315 for your advice.

ConjureMan, I just want to clarify: even if the works are on different aspects of my life, I should inform the current rootworker of my intent to get someone else to work on the different aspect for me?

Sounds to me as if you may be concerned that your current rootworker may be offended that you are considering going to another for help with other matters at the same time.

Like Conjureman Ali said, If you speak with your rootworker about it, be Open and honest with him/her, then I doubt you will have an issue.

If you are unable to to open with your rootworker then I fear that your tie with them will be lacking and therefore any work they are doing for you will be pretty lacking. By no fault of their own. You have to speak freely about feelings, issues, concerns, questions, situations ect. They can't help you if your not honest them.

Good luck

Transformer · Unread post by **Transformer** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:47 pm

I have a great AIRR rootworker who is doing a great job on my case. If anyone is going to get results, I know he will.

Except, I'm tired. Really worn out from all the energy I spent on this before finding him. I am so tired I hardly have the strength to fight the fear, doubt and worry that seem to constantly creep into my thoughts. I know it's doing me no good but am finding myself too tired to fight it.

Can my rootworker still get results with me injecting these counterproductive emotions into it? He's a professional. I'm hoping his skill level and energy are more powerful than the damage I am causing. thanks for any input.

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:29 pm

You need to have faith in your rootworker (which it sounds like you do). You need to have faith in the work he is doing and believe that the best outcome will prevail. You may want to schedule some time and speak with him about these negative thoughts and feelings you are having -- they are nothing that he has probably not experienced before with other clients and he most likely has some remedies that he will recommend you try to help yourself feel better and have a more positive outcome about the whole thing.

Also, it sounds like you are a bit energetically depleted and for that situation I like LMC's brand of High John the Conqueror products:

http://www.luckymojo.com/johntheconqueror.html

Blessings,

Bri

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:45 pm

I like the Power candle for added strength.

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:13 pm

Agree with both Miss Bri and jwmcclin and
Here is my positive 2 cents worth:
I would always recommend that anyone go to a Reader or Rootworker (a member of the AIRR) who is greater than they feel they are-- more qualified period--like a specialist in medicine... ananlogy --if your head is cloudy no matter who you are--- every one needs a check up and sometimes a specialty!
babybio, no doubt you are in great hands and a wonderful heart.

Opi · Unread post by **Opi** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:07 pm

This may seem a strange request. I have recently been extremely betrayed by someone I once cared about. I now wish to punish the person by doing some cursing work (nothing too severe just mess with him a bit and give him what he deserves - he's a person who has done a lot of horrible things but for whatever reason has very great luck and never EVER experiences the pain he inflicts on others) but I also want to make him desire and miss me - not so that i can reciprocate the feelings, but so that I can deny him and make him suffer. believe me, this is a very bad guy. i'm wondering if it works to do such contrasting work on a person - for instance if i were to use both a LM love baby doll on him to make him resist me while simultaneously using a Cursing doll and a cursing spell kit? would one cancel out the other and make it all ineffective? Thanks so much for any advice.

Elveta · Unread post by **Elveta** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:37 pm

Frankly I wouldn't bother. It's a waste of time and energy. If this guy is as bad as you say he is, karma, aka, "you reap what you sow," will catch up with him. Far more productive to ask yourself why you were attacted to such a jerk to begin with and purchase LM products to find a new lover.

Unread post by **Houngan Liam** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:29 pm

It is very difficult to work both cursing and love work on someone at the same time, especially when it is someone that you have emotional involvement with. The other thing to remember is that when working love work on someone else, you are often times just as effected by the work yourself, so if you are working to make someone else feel things for you, part of the work will often result in you feeling things towards the person you are working on. You would be better served to perform some cut and clear work. You can find details on cut and clear here:

http://www.luckymojo.com/cutandclear.html

If you still decide to perform this kind of work, you would want to ensure that you performed these works completely separately. You could perform your love/desire work on Monday - Wednesday - Friday and then perform your cursing work on Tuesday - Thursday - Saturday. The spells will not cancel each other out, so long as you are very clear in your intentions and prayers.

I do encourage you though to instead think about what kind of work you really should do, perhaps beginning with a divination on the subject. If you are not good at divination yourself, you could consider looking at the AIRR website and finding a practitioner that could help you, or perhaps attempting to become involved in the Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour on a Sunday afternoon. A divination is the best way to begin any rootwork to ensure that you are on the right track.

yesitsme · Unread post by **yesitsme** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:58 pm

hmmm....reading this made me realize that may be i am not doing things the right way.
I have three honey jars going i burn a candle on them mon,wed and firdays, after I light them do i have to pray or say something to the honey jar if so what am i supposed to say?
I have money drwing, love drawing and box fix honeyjars.
also i usually light them at about 2am and as i dont get much time to sleep as such i go to bed, fall asleep 5 to 10 min after i light the candles. is that ok to do this?
many a times i have noticed that i wake up right before the candle burn off completely, watch it and sleep again does this mean anything?
i have noticed a lot a of change in my boss after i started the honey jar and the candles i burn on this jar mostly drip some wax on the lid, the one for love drawing i have not seen any wax at all so far which is a good sign but no signs from my ex i am confused...........
Thanks a lot

path2success · Unread post by **path2success** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:35 pm

Hi Everyone,
I've been facing issues in every aspect of life since past few weeks. I had readings with 2 wonderful AIRR readers and both of them told me I'm not crossed - it's just how life's turning out to be for me. I need to do crown of success for my career as it's sinking, money drawing work, love work, healing work for family & myself , and couple of other issues. I have all the spells, I have Ms Cat's book, I have plenty of oils,etc ; running a little short on money for continous vigils for all the issues.

But the main issue is physical & spiritual energy has been drained so I'm not able to work all the spells at once. Issues seem never ending. I try and complete one and another is already waiting for me. I hardly get time to have lunch during the day so I've not been able to do much spell work.

Has anyone faced a situation like this? I need to start somewhere and all issues seem important. To pay a rootworker for everything I will need huge amount of money first. I did some money drawing work myself but may not have helped much...Readings have only stressed on "Work on myself and everything will be fine". But I seem to be drained on energy to work on myself

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:44 pm

The reading is right...work on yourself... Follow the advice of the airplane stewardess, you put the air mask on yourself first, than on your child. The theory is you are no good for anybody or anything if you don't take care of yourself first. High John the Conqueror has worked wonders for me. I also like burning Power candles when I feel drained of energy.

Unread post by **Miss Ida Lundin** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:17 am

jwmcclin is saying it so well. Definitely, you need to work on yourself as the reading says. Work for healing and strengthening of yourself. Don't overdo your work plan. Use the products you have and do it simple but continuously. To say a prayer and anoint yourself with healing/power oil every morning doesn't take so much time. Don't stress over the things you aren't doing. One day in the future you will have a good day and then you'll fix up a power mojo. And then you will start to anoint your head with crown of success oil. You do little everyday to grow your strength.

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:06 am

path2success wrote:Hi Everyone,
I've been facing issues in every aspect of life since past few weeks. I had readings with 2 wonderful AIRR readers and both of them told me I'm not crossed - it's just how life's turning out to be for me. I need to do crown of success for my career as it's sinking, money drawing work, love work, healing work for family & myself , and couple of other issues. I have all the spells, I have Ms Cat's book, I have plenty of oils,etc ; running a little short on money for continous vigils for all the issues.

But the main issue is physical & spiritual energy has been drained so I'm not able to work all the spells at once. Issues seem never ending. I try and complete one and another is already waiting for me. I hardly get time to have lunch during the day so I've not been able to do much spell work.

Has anyone faced a situation like this? I need to start somewhere and all issues seem important. To pay a rootworker for everything I will need huge amount of money first. I did some money drawing work myself but may not have helped much...Readings have only stressed on "Work on myself and everything will be fine". But I seem to be drained on energy to work on myself

When situations like this come up for clients, I recommend that they begin with some cleansing--the 13 herb bath is great for this. Then do something simple but long term--I like High John the Conqueror for all of its regular attributes but I and my clients have also found it to be wonderfully helpful in increasing strength and vitality, so set a HJC vigil candle for yourself with a general petition to have mastery in the face of adversity, strength, and renewed vitality. Some women prefer to work this way with Queen Elizabeth root but I really like the effects of HJC. Once the first candle has burned out take the petition and affix it to a second candle--this is easy and inexpensive and can cover a wide variety of issues while also increasing your personal strength and power.
Good luck!
Bri

Transformer · Unread post by **Transformer** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:16 am

Hi, What would the difference be between High John the Conquereor oil and Master oil if you wanted to use it to feel mastery and powerfulness over your work, situation and life? or in a case like this one addressed above. thanks

path2success · Unread post by **path2success** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:32 pm

Thank you all for your help!
HJC seems to be the most important for me right now. Miss Bri thank you so much for your guidance on writing the petition "to have mastery in the face of adversity, strength, and renewed vitality." , I would have never thought of framing it that way...

Unread post by **Miss Ida Lundin** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:28 am

path2success your welcome, good luck with everything.

babybio, they are based on two different roots. There uses might be interchangeable in some work and in others not. HJC can be used for male sexuality and money luck as well as strength.

Master root is for mastery it can be to learn a new skill or to master people. Also some workers prefer different botanicals, so they might choose one over the other because of that. In this case described none of us recommended Master. But if the question was what you asked "to feel mastery and powerfulness over your work" someone might have, although we might also have teamed Master with HJC.

I personally probably work a little less often with High John the Conquer than many of the other workers. And I probably work more with Rue than some other workers.
So what I'm trying to say with all this is that, it is a combination of what is the suitable plant or product to use for the case at hand and the preference of the worker. This understanding comes from working with the plant. But also reading other workers writing.
Like miss cats excellent Hoodoo Herb and Root Magic

Kaye007 · Unread post by **Kaye007** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:56 am

Hello,

I'm new to LM...I have really enjoyed reading the site and this forum -- what a wealth of information!

I have a question, please forgive me if this has been asked [yes, I did search first

]. I recently bought a honey jar kit and a John the Conqueror kit. I started my honey jar last week, and plan to start the John the Conqueror spell soon. My question -- can I take the candle holder from on top of the honey jar and use it when I do my JC work? Then put it back on the honey jar when I'm done with JC for the day? I don't have a separate candle holder, but I'll gladly go buy another one if I need to -- I don't want to interfere with the honey jar in anyway.

Thanks in advance!

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:32 am

I would NOT do that. If you do, you will have to be constantly be breaking the wax off of the holder each time you switch candles. This will have TWO unfortunate effects:

1) It will break the ongoing spell you are working each time.

2) It will render the wax so broken up that you will not be able to eprform a candle wax divination on the outcome of the work. For more on candle wax divination, see this page from my free online book "Hoodoo in Theory and Practice":
http://luckymojo.com/candlemagicdivination.html

In the future, if you are using standard 4" and 6" candles, then please do yourself a favour and pick up some ultra-cheap but extremely practical star candle holders next time you shop with us! Order:

CAX-BRS-BSS4 Stand Brass Stamped Brass Star Holder for 4" Candles $0.50

CAX-BRS-BSS6 Stand Brass Stamped Brass Star Holder for 6" Candles $0.75

Good luck in all your works!

Kaye007 · Unread post by **Kaye007** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:25 am

Cat,

Thank you! I thought it might not be a good idea so I wanted to ask, just to be sure. So far, the burn has been nice and clean, so I don't want to do anything to mess it up!

Candle holders are definitely on my list for my next order, along with a whole bunch of other stuff! lol Thanks again for your help.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:30 pm

Its a good practice to keep some candle holders on hand. The candle holders that Lucky Mojo sells (pictured above) are very practical. I reuse candle holders only when I am working the same spell on the same situation or individual ... I just love them!

Transformer · Unread post by **Transformer** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:06 pm

I recently tried out High John the Conquerer Oil on a vigil candle with the petition written as suggested by Miss Bri above and I have to say I definitely feel the effects. I was definitely burnt out, worn down, moping around dragging a heavy heart and weepy eyes everywhere I went but today is the first day after many, many, MANY consecutive days (months, really) that I kind of feel ok. and feeling ok is a huge step in the right direction and a big break through so I say thanks to HJC, Miss Bri, jwmcclin & svarthyndan. I'm just blown away so great, thanks!

path2success, if you can, try it out! or anyone else who is feeling depleted. (and, yes, I'm female.)

path2success · Unread post by **path2success** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:27 pm

Thanks babybio for the update!! I definitely plan to do that!! I've placed my order for HJC and eagerly waiting for it's arrival !

trish76 · Unread post by **trish76** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:27 pm

MadameKoiteh wrote:Peace To All,
I just want to share a personal experience of exerting too much magickal force. Once, many years ago, I was so deeply involved in a magickal undertaking that I worked for weeks on end at my goal-- morning, noon, and all night. I fasted, I prayed, I consulted readers, I prepared ritual after ritual, and spent a great deal of time, money, and energy on the matter. Eventually, I got what I wanted, but the spiritual exhaustion that overtook me was tremendous. I couldn't even get on my knees to pray for many, many months. I was weakened by having used so much energy to change the course of fate. later in life, I realized that I should have submitted to the will of the Divine in the first place. What I wanted was not good for me and I ended up throwing it away. My point is, if you have to work until you have no more energy and you can think of nothing else, beware. IMO, most of the best things in life come easily, with just a clear intention and a little consistent effort. Obsession is for the victim, not the master. I hope this is of some help. Many blessings.

Thank you for this insightful post....and I need to frame that quote. In the past I had an addiction to getting readings (without rootwork) and was fixated on a particular outcome. I have only recently accepted that I need to love and respect myself FOR myself, apart from anyone else, otherwise I'll just keep falling into the same old patterns. It may not be the target that needs to be changed, but you and your opinion of yourself and your worth. My momma always said if you have to hate yourself to love somebody else.....something ain't right. SO thank you again.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:06 am

trish76, I like what your momma said! It is quite easy to get fixated and hard to stop. But with determination and structure and confidence in yourself and your work, you can and you will! When you hold on to spells, your entergy is trapped and needs to be released, I like how ConjureMan said it, "let the spirits do their work."

ladydawn · Unread post by **ladydawn** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:29 pm

so where do you draw the line between thorough and obsessive? Would working a situation from a few different angles be considered obsessive? I'd hate to magically overload anyone, doesn't sound pleasant at all.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:08 pm

Thorough is when you are working on the situation from different angles towards the same goal. If you are getting movement, and/or positive signs then I would say keep working. If a reading indicates for you to follow a certain path, and perform works towards that then that is fine. As long as you are making progress towards your goals then you are fine. I mean covering all your basis such as affecting someone by laying tricks, lighting a candle, etc, but then giving time for the work to take...is thorough.

Obsessed comes in several different ways. Trying the SAME spell work over and over again on a situation that is not getting movement. Doing work on a situation for years and perhaps many months without getting any movement at all, and just not simply letting it go. A reading that indicates the situation cannot be rectified given the circumstances but still working on that. An example of this is perhaps trying to bring back a lover that you have not spoken to for YEARS, or perhaps many months, and you have no way of getting in contact with them. YET you still do magic to try and get in contact with them.

I mean obsessive is constantly checking their facebook, myspace, twitter, checking their emails, driving by their house and/or work, calling and hanging up, pleading and begging the target when the target clearly does not want you. This just makes he situation worse.

Or given the circumstances...the situation is just done. For example, the break up was SO bad that this person does not want to have anything to do with you. I am not saying that all is lost, but if an ample amount of time has passed and a reading indicates its time to move on then to me thats obsessive. Yes, there are times or slim chances where you can work something out, but most of the time...its just best to move on. If the person is afraid of you, has to get a protective order, or anything like that, then chances are its over.

Also, I have heard of people do spells EVERYDAY for months even years! Thats ridiculous. That is where the overload comes in. People figure that if they are not lighting a candle, laying down tricks, or working with a baby doll, etc. that the magic is not working. That shows lack and faith within the work and craft of rootwork. If you doubt it, and are constantly worried then you should hire someone that is a professional. This goes for constantly getting readings as well. Getting a reading every week or 2-3 times a week is excessive. I say get one once a month, or when its entirely imperative to your work.

I hope this makes sense, and I am sure someone has to add the difference between thorough, and obsessive.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:43 pm

I'm with Starsinthesky7. I think the difference between obsession and being "thorough" is all in the mindset. If I had to define a difference I would do it in relation to the difference between being focused and determined versus letting the situation become the center of your existence; the difference between approaching something with confidence and determination and wallowing in anxiety.

Not to be a contrarian, but in my experince I haven't seen this overloading a target. I haven't see what's been described in other threads where so much work is done that it "backfires."

What I *have* seen is people becoming so obsessed with their goal that their lives become nothing more than one attempt after the other at attaining it. No single goal is worth that much anxiety.

Either approach your work with confidence and faith, able to let the spirits do their job, or let someone else handle it for you who has a steadier heart.