Re: Spells For True Love, True Commitment, Moving In, Engagement

Lilac · Unread post by **Lilac** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:53 am

Ok, in a nut shell, I met a guy who is moving out of state in less than a month. I really like him. Things started to get a bit realtionshipy, for example, Id get calls letting me know he was out of work, then everynight he'd call and actually end up falling asleep on the phone. Everytime I got a compliment it was always followed by " but you know I'm leaving right?" He'd make plans to go out with me but then back out that same day. We discussed making things strictly physical. On the day he was supposed to come over he told me it was probably for the best that we didn't do anything since he didn't want to lead anyone on. I know he likes me but he's confused considering the situation. I would like to find a spell that would perhaps make his feeling stronger so that he will be willing to express how he truely feels. Thanks in advance!

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:43 pm

I would get a reading on this situation, lilac to see if it's worth pursuing this. If he was staying in town, then this may be more feasible. But honestly getting a guy that doesn't even want a relationship and is also moving away in 3 weeks to not only want a relationship but also stick around for it is going to be pretty difficult. Get a reading to see if it's worth your time and energy to try, or if you're better off just Cut and Clearing and drawing a more suitable partner.

You can find a reader at http://www.readersandrootworkers.org

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:58 pm

In one of the other posts there was some discussion on how to break someone's resistance for some flat out domination work. While the spell is great it isn't ideal for reluctant lovers. Instead here are a couple tricks using Lucky Mojo products that can be used to help overcome the resistance and reluctance of potential lovers.

If your your love target is resisting your work you can try this:

1) Red Candle with Cubebs

Make a name paper of your target and fold a John the Conqueor in the paper. Place this under an overturned cup.

Take a jumbo red candle or a 6 inch and carve it with their name, along with the command "unable to resist me." Dress this with Follow Me Boy/Girl then take Cubeb Berries and push them into the wax of the candle. You might need to use a nail to make small holes then stick the Cubeb Berries in them. Stud the candle with Cubeb Berries, then dust it with some Dill Seeds. Set this on the overturned cup and burn it down while praying for them to be unable to resist you any longer.

2) Red or Pink Adam and Eve Candles plus a Black Candle

Another neat trick involves a moving candle spell. Take one each pink or red Adam and Eve candles. Carve them and load them. Dress them with Follow Me Boy/Girl, Love Me, and Compelling oil. Place a John the Conqueror root in front of the Adam candle and a Queen Elizabeth root in front of the Eve candle. Dress the John the Conqueror and the Queen Elizabeth and the two candles with your sexual fluids. Have the candles facing one another. Sprinkle Calamus, Rose petals, Juniper Berries, Damiana, and Catnip in a ring around the candles. Place this set up on your altar close to you.

Behind this set up place an undressed 6 inch black candle. Carve "So and so's resistance" an the black candle.

Behind your altar place a bucket of dirt gathered from a crossroads or water from a river.

Light all your candles and pray that as the black candle is moved away that your target's resistance becomes less and less.

Over 7 days move the black candle further and further back on your altar until you can push it off the back edge and into the bucket of dirt or water. Toss the remains of the black candle in a crossroads or a river, as appropriate, and bury the love candles at your front door to attract your lover. Gather the herbs and roots from the altar and put them in a mojo bag and feed weekly with a love oil.

enjoy

faith2008 · Unread post by **faith2008** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:24 am

Thank you for posting these CM. You are a wealth of information and such an asset to this board.

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:23 am

Thank you for another piece of BRILLIANT information and second faith's opinion you are an asset and appreciated and respected!

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:09 am

Love these! I'm copying and pasting and putting them into my notes.

kmew1315 · Unread post by **kmew1315** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:47 pm

I like these.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:57 pm

Me too Devi.

dasha · Unread post by **dasha** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:01 pm

just what the doctor ordered..thank you

egyptianqueen · Unread post by **egyptianqueen** » Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:45 am

Thanks again !!!!

Commander Snuggles · Unread post by **Commander Snuggles** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:34 pm

Excellent information.
Thank you.
Might I ask what one should do with the paper & the High John root after the candle has burned out?

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:00 pm

ConjureMan Ali said to "Gather the herbs and roots and put them in a mojo bag and feed weekly with a love oil."

Commander Snuggles · Unread post by **Commander Snuggles** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:33 am

Ooops. Sorry. Thought that only applied to the 2nd spell.
Thank you for your response.

splitpea · Unread post by **splitpea** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:17 am

this sounds great

tayra · Unread post by **tayra** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:00 pm

Hi Everybody,

Well..I met this guy trough a dating site around 6 months and we met in person after 3 months, since the moment we met everything was perfect, I liked the guy and he liked me a lot, so we dated for another 2 months but because I came from a big break up I didn't want to take it seriously at the beginning but then I started having feelings for him.

After those two months I felt he was a little bit colder time to time and from one moment to another he disappeared for 2 weeks so, I sent him a email explaining that I didn't like his behavior and that I really like him but I was upset with his reaction. he replied and told me that he was sorry that it wasn't his intention to make me feel that way and we kept talking.

After a while I told him that I was planing to go back to my country at the beginning of next year and he was in shock, he told me that he wants me here and he doesn't want me going back to my country. I didn't know what to say and that night he called me and asked me if he could go to my house, so he went, we talked, we kissed and out of the blue he told me: I will say something that I would never though I will say... I love you BUT (there is always a BUT) I don't want a relationship right now.

I didn't know what to say I was speechless...so he kept talking saying that it was that the reason why he felt apart bc he was falling in love and he didn't want it, then he just said I'm so confused I don't want to be a jerk with you I love you but is better if I go home I will call you tomorrow... and he left.

It has been 5 days since that day and he hasn't call me or text and I don't know what to do..

I really like him, I have feelings for him and I will like to be with him but he doesn't want a relationship as he said.

So I was wonder maybe there is any spell to make up his mind and accept to have a relationship with me.

Just to let you guys know I did have a reading and the reader said he is interested and that is true what he said.. and also because he left his hat I took some hairs from it and keep it with me as a personal concern and I sewed some of my pubic hairs to his hat as my reader said but I dont know when he will pick up his hat...

Any advice....

Blessings,

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:25 pm

Okay first thing is first...you need to get a reading. You need to get a reading to decide why he is truly backing away from you. It sounds like you BOTH do NOT know what you want. I mean you are flip floppy just as much as he is, and you seem not sure. For you, I recommend that you do some healing work, and a clear and cut on the past relationship so that you can move on from that.

His feelings could be due to the fact that you did tell him...you were going back to your country. He might not want to get too close to you consider he would have to part ways with you, and you are not going to stay with him. So obviously he would be protecting himself in that sense. And I can't blame him because if it were me I would be heartbroken too if my lover was going to go back. Long distance relationships are extremely hard to maintain and so that might be the reason for his behavior.

I recommend that you get a reading on that to make sure that is the reason, and to get a consultation as apart of your reading to see what can be done.

If he is not okay with having a long distance relationship, I feel like there is not much you can do to help that. But I would start with some clarity work, and a return to me sweet jar to help bring him back to you again.

thelightfantastic · Unread post by **thelightfantastic** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:48 pm

tayra wrote: Just to let you guys know I did have a reading and the reader said he is interested and that is true what he said.

This part is a bit confusing. Did the reader say this guy was interested but doesn't want a relationship? If that's the case, the best you can do is attempt to get him open to the idea of relationship which might be difficult.

Like Stars already said, you're both being fickle and contradictory. You say want to be with this guy but you tell him you're going back to your country. If you're leaving the country, how can you have a relationship with someone who is here? It's rather unrealistic to expect someone to start a relationship if you're going to be leaving soon. His reaction really isn't that weird considering what you told him. I mean, why start something if you know it's going to end soon?

I think Stars is correct is telling you to get another reading from someone at AIRR, and to do some serious healing and cut and clear work on yourself. If you're still hung up on past relationships, no one is going to want to start any kind of relationship with you because you're always going to be pulling back and flip flopping.

Some clarity work might also help you because what you're telling this guy isn't matching what you're saying you feel. You need to decide if you're going to stay here and attempt to create a relationship with this man or go back to your country.

Good luck.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:58 pm

I agree with Stars and thelightfantastic -- you have sent th man mixed messages regarding whether you are leaving or staying. That's not something we can help with a spell -- that is YOUR issue to clarify with him and settle.

You have done good in getting his hairs and in placing your hairs in his hat. At this point, if you intend to stay and try to make something of this relationship, you need him to pick up his hat. Just call him. No drama is necessary -- just say hello, would you like to hang out, and, oh, by the way, i've got your hat in case you were missing it. It's nice to have around, but i'd rather see you than your hat.

Keep it light, and see what develops.

Frankly, i am not sure that there is enough here to build upon, what with all of the off-and-on signals. If he agrees to see you, keep a red candle lit, dressed with Fire of Love Oil or some loving oil of that type. while you see him. He may not want a relationship now, but if you show him some affection, he may start to get used to the idea.

Also, if i were your root worker, i would want to know more about him, his sign, his employment, his age, etc. Obviouslyomething is holding him back -- it may be the idea of you leaving, it may be another woman, it may be personal issues. If what is holding him back is too serious to fix, you would do better to let him go. It's not worth fighting to get a man who, in his deep heart, does not want a relationship.

baja · Unread post by **baja** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:33 am

wowo..so kool...u r super...
Regards

theusurper · Unread post by **theusurper** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:45 pm

can i put the John the Conqueror Root and the herbs in my Nation Sack?

desiresofheart · Unread post by **desiresofheart** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:35 pm

I have been with this guy for ten years. We lived together for about five years but the last five years he has said he doesn’t want to be in a commited relationship.He is the father of my two children. Ages 5 and 3 mos. He had another child with someone else 2 yrs ago . he did not mention anything about this child until after the child was born. I had no idea about this woman because he was still coming around us and spending lots of time with us. In hindsight his overnight visits were less frequent. However she knew about us. I got over the hurt of him having another child and things started looking up for us again. We started spending more time together and he eventually started staying over with us again and I got pregnant. We started dating more, breakfast, lunch, 2 or 3 x week, movies, shopping, taking vacations, sporting events, etc. it was great. Despite all this he would still not commit and move back in 100%. I would ask if he is seeing someone else or what and he would deny it. He says he is just enjoying his freedom. I recently went thru his phone and read his text messages and discovered he is also staying at the other baby moms house. This hurt me deeply and I told him I want nothing more to do with him. He has lied to me this whole time and I thought things were going great as we have been closer than ever and recently had another child together. However I still love him. I really wish she would go away and let us be a family. Im thinking of doing a vinegar jar and hot foot to break them apart for good and a return to me or stay with me. Or should I do reconcillation for all the hurt he has put me through?
Thanks for your suggestions.

doughnut_hand · Unread post by **doughnut_hand** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:39 pm

alright, im going to tell you straight up that this is a pretty complex situation .

GET a reading done! it will tell you what direction to head in.
http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/

this situation might require a lot of work.

first start off with a honey jar. dont start on other work till you get the reading done, it will save you time and effort, and from doing the wrong thing

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:50 pm

I agree with the poster above. Definitely get that reading done first and foremost because it can help you do what is best for you.

However, I think it is time to move on. I understand you have children together, and in my eyes he can still be a parent and be there for his children without you and him having to be a couple. So I would definitely do a clear and cut as he has hurt you too much, and will probably never commit to you. You deserve better, and let this man go. He is playing both you and her.

This is just my advice, but still feel free to get a reading.

desiresofheart · Unread post by **desiresofheart** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:25 pm

thank you for your replies. You are right and i know i should move in but i just want to try one more time. We have been in a committed relationship before so why not now. I believe we can be a great family and we are when we're together. On the other hand, it does seem like to much work so i do have a reading scheduled this week. I cant wait. However, if hes not going to be here with me and our family EVERY night i really dont want him to be with her and their child. Id rather he be with someone new or who has no kids by him. it may be selfish but my heart wouldnt hurt so bad.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:16 pm

I understand you dont want him to be with someone new. However, he has children with this woman, and had one without even telling you. THAT to me speaks volumes about his behavior. In addition, he may have "committed" to you before, but you broke up, and a child with another person. In addition, whatever broke you and him up in the first place needs to be resolved. In this relationship there is a huge elephant in the room, and it needs to be acknowledged.

I think you should do some clarity work as well to make sure that you want to continue on with this work. Sometimes the heart is not logical as our mind and that gets us in some compromising situations.

Let us know how your reading goes, and definitely heed the advice of the reading.

deewany · Unread post by **deewany** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:10 pm

I've recently met my ex of 2 times last week when i went over there for holidays.. And reason why we broke up the first time was, i couldn't take his possessiveness and protectiveness, i felt so choked and being at a younger age where that's the time you wana do everything, certainly din't help... He pushed me, really pushed all my buttons and i left... 4 years later we got talking again, and he made the effort to come and spend a mth with me in my hometown, we were together for 1 whole month every day till night.. Things were fine between us, and then he left to his country once again.. We kept good communication, but somehow it slowed down and we argued about nothing and stopped talking for bout 4 mths till we met last week..

And i love this guy so much, my feelings rushed back when i saw him.. But he was acting a lil weird at times, in the presence of this other women - a married women whos got 2 children, he's not as jovial with me and everyone. WHen she's not there, he's the normal guy i know. And we discovered she calls him many times a day, and being a married woman, whom we've also discovered her husband left her coz she did something to him, but they arenot officially divorced yet. When i saw her at his place for a function, i dint understand why she was giving me the evils and wouldnt talk to me nicely, well coz i never knew wats going on. My concentration was only on my guy.

But what's been observed by me, my family and his family, this women seems to have pressure him into somethin, or either she has casted a spell on him, because, whenever his phone rings and its a call from her, he becomes so aggressive to us, we can literally see a 'monster' out of him, and i just dont know what shes done to him, sometimes he speaks things with no sense at all.. Knowin him, he is a wise person..

I've made a stand the other night saying, either we really work ourselves out or if u dont want a relationship, its fine, im not angry, but this time i'll walk away and never turn back, and his reaction to it is, NO u an't do that. I asked, why not? U dont want it, ok fine, go... But he insists i can't leave.. I can go through this heartache... And that women is influencing him soo much that he actually listens to her more than me, or his own parents.

What do i do?? I want him back into my life... But she needs to stay away too.. She caused me enough heartache and grief already.. And the way i'm seeing my guy behave, its worrying me so much.. He is just not himself anymore. Even his sister told me, i dont know wat happened, but my brother just isn't my brother anymore in the past few months..

Please advice.. Gimme some ideas.. I know everyone will suggest a reading, but pls gimme some input.. Im reali dying to hear some..

Thank you.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:33 pm

You definitely need to get a reading to see if this woman actually has done some work on him. This man was aggressive, and overbearing before he was with this woman. You stated that in the first paragraph when you said he was possessive and so on. You hit the nail on the head the first time you left him alone. Personally, I feel like its time to move on unless you are prepared for whatever is ahead of you if she is in fact doing magic. How do you know he even wants a relationship with you? In addition, telling you...you cant leave is going right back to the possessiveness, and "protectiveness" that was around the first time you dated.

I would get a reading before you even proceed on this. HOwever I would suggest getting doing a clear and cut.

www.luckymojo.com/cutandclear.html

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:06 pm

deewany,

Your situation is not clear enough to you that you seem to actually want to do hoodoo or conjure.

I read every word you wrote, but i see no way to recommend a spell to you. The way you wrote the story, there are definite problems with the relationship, plus perhaps another woman interfering in some way.

You say that your are on the verge of walking out, then switch gears and say that all his problems are caused by the other woman. At the minimum you want to know what is going on between them. Once that is achieved you can decide whether to hotfoot the other woman or cut and clear from the man.

leo_gato · Unread post by **leo_gato** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:57 am

I need to get my boyfriend to propose marriage to me. I've tried the 3 candles in a triangle with the dolly stuffed with herbs laying the middle of the 3 candles. I've buried 2 dolls underneath the full moon and I'm set the bury the 3rd very soon. I've made a petition to Santa Muerte (red) written in dragon's blood ink. Right after the first doll was buried he started talking about having more children (he has on from a previous marriage), how I'd like the new place he's moving to, and that he really loved and cared for me. But it stopped there. That's when I started with Santa Muerte last month. As of now I still don't see any sign of me petition being answered. In fact last weekend he got miffed about some miscommunication and won't let it go. I don't know what to do. What am I doing wrong? Do I need to add something? I know I can't be the first woman to want the Marriage Proposal spell...please help.

Please, do you have a spell for marriage proposal with the leading to completion of a legal marriage?

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:54 am

Santisima Muerte now gets worked with in all kinds of ways but originally she was a spirit that was petitioned to keep a husband faithful to his wife (or a longterm partner faithful to his partner), so I find it curious that you are working with her to get a marriage proposal. You may need to get a reading on the situation, I don't know if you have had one or not, but if you haven't I would get one. Find a list of reputable readers here: www.readersandrootworkers.org
As far as getting a marriage proposal--there are many things that are traditionally worked with in Hoodoo to inspire marriage. Formulas like Marriage, Love Me, and even Compelling and Do as I say can be used. If it were me, I would create a honey jar with some commanding herbs like licorice and calamus and some marriage drawing herbs like deerstongue.
http://herb-magic.com/licorice-root.html
http://herb-magic.com/calamus-root-chips.html
http://herb-magic.com/deers-tongue.html

On a practical level, establish your boundaries and let him know that there will be no babies until there's a ring on that finger!
Good luck,
Bri

leo_gato · Unread post by **leo_gato** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:43 am

I just wanted to ask, could I use "I dominate my man" instead of "compelling" or "do as I say"?

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:18 am

Yes, you can use I dominate my man because it is used to gain mental control. However, for a marriage proposal, I would review the supplies designed for that purpose as indicated by Miss Bri. Sometimes a 'sweeter' touch may get you what you want.

You must think about what works for your potential husband, some people work by force, some by compelling, some by sweetening. I would get the reading to find out what will work. Think about it and good luck.

deewany · Unread post by **deewany** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:43 am

Dear Star & Cat,
I have got a reading about the situation!! And guess what, we were all right.. His unexplainable actions and his behavior has been caused by this woman, we been told in the reading she has charmed a spell on him.. And we have got the solution, and are working on the solution.. And after that we will see how he is.. And Star, yes he said he wants a relationship with me, when he came and spent a mth with me earlier this yr, he said it, and he said, u r one person i really wanted in my life, we broke up bcoz i was possesive, but here we are 4 yrs later more matured, lets make this work.. We even decided we wud wait 2 yrs to get married at dat point of time, bcoz his sister was getting married this year..

So really hoping i would see the normal him again soon!! What sort of products do you recommend i use after hes been cleared of the spell, just so we get more closer to each other faster? I love this guy, n he does too.. His whole family even knows it, and i would never do anything to hurt him.. I just want him back in love wid me.. Any suggestions please?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:26 pm

Earlier this year is a long time between now and then. People's feelings can change between now and then. In addition you need to work on your possessiveness as well if that is still a trait you have. I would not recommend moving things a long in a hurried manner as you want to create a STRONG foundation. If and when he comes back, I would make sure you that you do some strong protection work on him, and keep him cleansed on a regular basis. Then you can do some return to me, come to me, and love me work.

deewany · Unread post by **deewany** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:59 am

Hi Star,
You mentioned If and when he comes back, I would make sure you that you do some strong protection work on him, and keep him cleansed on a regular basis. How would i do this??

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:01 am

Are you asking how to do the cleansing? My suggestion is that you do your research...read about cleansing found here...http://www.luckymojo.com/baths.html You will learn about the history of cleansing, types of cleansing products, its role in Hoodoo spellwork and finally, the various types of baths and floor washes. When you read this, you will get a feeling of which one is workable for your situation. Good Luck deewany.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:58 am

There is more than one way to learn how to cleanse. Baths is definitely one kind of way. You can uncross someone through candle work, baths, smudging them with a sage stick, incense, and a combination of them. You can create a baby doll, and bathe the doll as him, and I would back that up with some protection work.

The protection side you can get a fiery of wall of protection spell kit for that to keep him protected. You may want to back up that work from time to time as well along with the uncrossing work.

www.luckymojo.com/uncrossing.html
www.luckymojo.com/fierywall.html

deewany · Unread post by **deewany** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:46 pm

Thanks jwm & star,
Would asking the temple to light up the candle for me be a good start?? I was thinking i would light up the Fiery Wall on behalf of him.. Just so that woman leaves him alone and he gets protected, but can i get the candle lit up now or should i wait till the uncrossing been done by his sister? Or could i light up an Uncrossing Jinx candle for him followed by Fiery Wall?? Or do i have to order the kit and do it on my own?

And how often should i do the uncrossing work & protection work?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:51 pm

You can light both candles at the same time. However, it is imperative that you get an uncrossing candle lit no matter what. In this case it goes hand in hand. You can have the Missionary Independent Spiritual Church light any of the candles to get things start. And if someone is throwing magic I would suggest the help of a professional.

deewany · Unread post by **deewany** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:35 am

Thanks Star!!

And u mean professional, like Miss Bri or Miss Cat?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:46 am

You can any rootworker you like either Miss Bri or Miss Cat ( she doesn't do work for others, but definitely can help you with some magical coaching or a consultation), or anyone from the AIRR website (www.rootworkers.org). If you know of someone that is lucky mojo certified you can go with them as well. The best thing is to go with someone that you trust, and obviously knows what they are doing.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:47 pm

Miss cat does work for people. She creates powerful protective talismans, set lights, provides magical coaching, prescribes products and much more.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:15 pm

Yes, you are correct conjureman ali. She does do work for people, given all the products, and things. But I think the poster and what I mean was she will not take on your case individually like say Dr. Kioni, you, Miss Bri, etc. Yes she will set lights for you given the Missionary Independent Spiritual Church, create talisman, mojo bags, and prescribe products for your situation; however she may not do work more individually for people like some of the other rootworkers. I know she mentioned she does not do spellwork like that a few times on the site and the forum.

deewany · Unread post by **deewany** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:50 am

Thanks Star & Conjureman! Ive consulted Miss Bri.. ANd having her to do my work for me.. Reading was positive, im soo happy!

angeldust · Unread post by **angeldust** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:04 am

Hi Conjureman

Do you know of a spell to break a love targets resistance by using a black candle and essence of bendoever oils?

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:20 pm

Wonderful! You couldn't be in more capable and compassionate hands.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:32 pm

The original post has two conjurations that you can look at. The latter of the two involves an undressed black candle that can be used to move away or get rid of the resistance of a target. I think that may benefit you.

Bend Over work can be done in more coercive forms of love work.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:18 pm

Angeldust, i think your attitude is unusual to say the least. To my way of thinking it would be more pleasant and more powerful to induce love with two red candles while driving away resistance with a black candle, as ConjureMan Ali suggested, rather than to work only with Essence of Bend-Over Oil and a black candle to "break" someone's "resistance" to love.

Just a word of advice from someone who has done this sort of thing many times .... We often speak of spells working "by the carrot and the stick" -- luring the stubborn donkey with a tasty carrot, driving the stubborn donkey with a harshly struck stick. This is how ConjureMan Ali's spell is designed -- carrot and stick.

For love work, the easiest conjurations are those involving the enticingly tasty carrot, and if those fail or the person resists you and is stubborn, you can work with both the carrot and the stick -- but trying to work a love spell by the stick alone is not always a successful method, for you may just end up killing the poor old stubborn donkey or driving him away.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:51 pm

Absolutely true. People are stubborn. You hit them with a "stick" and they aren't going to be too thrilled about it. It is why Intranquility Spirit cases don't end the way people wish them too.

I would say 9 out of 10 times the sweet and enticing approach is the most effective. I think people mistake sweet and enticing as weak or slow somehow. Completely untrue.

In the conjure outlined above, you work with with enticing elements that pull the target to closer to you while removing whatever may be holding then back and sending it right out of your lives. Works just fine without any need for anything harsher

Cat knows I don't shy away from coercive or harsher types of love spells, but in reality the cases that really need these are so far and few between.

angeldust · Unread post by **angeldust** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:59 pm

I see, thankyou very much ConjureMan Ali and Cat your advice has been enlightening, I like the idea of the moving candle spell and removing the resistance via a black candle

angeldust · Unread post by **angeldust** » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:13 pm

Just to clarify, if I wanted to just the jumbo red candle spell, would I carry the personal concerns around with me afterwards in a mojo bag? Or bury them somewhere?

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:03 pm

Thanks for sharing these great spells, ConjureMan Ali. I have made copies for the Lucky Mojo Free Spells Archive as well, with credit to you, of course. Look here:

http://www.luckymojo.com/spells/red/lov ... pells.html

Your fan,

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:09 pm

Oh cool, Miss cat! Hope everyone enjoys them!

trish76 · Unread post by **trish76** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:32 pm

I just joined this forum this past weekend. I have really only ever done candle magic, with good results. I don’t do coercive work, generally just healings, success, and protection spells for others. And healing, protection and prosperity for myself.

There is a man that I care deeply for and have a strong connection to. He and I have been estranged however, for over five years. I have been getting reading and am consistently told the feelings are there but his fears and emotional concerns over the time apart, keeps him from reinitiating contact physically. That being said---I am gifted and I can pick up on the man’s stresses, concerns, etc etc etc. And right now, there is a particularly negative female who is harassing him and distressing him. I have had negative experiences with her as well. He is not in a relationship with, nor does he desire a relationship with this female. She had manipulated and seduced him in the past, and they had a brief fling, with physical things happening but not progressing as far as intercourse because he didn’t wish to take it that far. It’s just a hot mess of a tale and LONG story that is too much for this post. Quite frankly she is rather ill in her thinking and she has no problems harassing him, women that he does find interest in, as well as anyone else she feels is “in her way”. So while I do not feel comfortable doing spells for him or on him, without his permission, I feel more strongly about protecting him from this woman and her horrible influence. I have not gotten a reading to determine if she has ever had tricks done in order to get with this man—but I wouldn’t put it past her.

My question is which would be better for this purpose, the fiery wall of protection for him, or the crucible of courage for him to man up and tell her off once and for all. Would both be better? The fiery wall to protect him from her negativity and the courage to stand up to her more harshly than he has in the past. I have tried the nice wiccan ways of white candles and pretty prayers but its just not cutting it with this girl. As far as he and I go—this isn’t about me getting her out of the picture because she essentially is as far as he’s concerned, she just doesn’t take no for an answer, choosing instead to make his life distressful with her aggressive ways. He and I will have our time when the timing is right and we both have our heads on the same page—in the meantime I do love this man and will do anything in my power to protect him—so any advice would be appreciated. I have gotten readings on this but not one from anyone here

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:44 pm

I think its interesting that you blame the woman. I mean I get that she is a bad influence, and so on BUT there needs to be some level of responsibility on his part as well.

I would get a reading on what magical steps needs to be taken to get him away from this woman. How can you perform tricks on him without a total assessment of the situation? You DONt know if this woman has done tricks on him. If she has then that would be a different plan than what would be if she does not.

In addition, you need to get clear about your real intentions with this man. You say your intentions is about getting her out of the picture but then turn around and say this is not about getting her out of the picture. There needs to be some clarity there as to what you want to do.

In any case, you need to get a consultation and a reading done to see what in fact is going on, and what magical steps you can do. And since you are new at this stuff it would be wise of you to hire someone.

www.rootworkers.org

trish76 · Unread post by **trish76** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:39 pm

As I said, the story is a long one and I didn’t feel it was appropriate to post such long tales on a forum where you are just asking for spellwork advice. I figured the entire story is best suited for a reading. I can tell you one thing and that is that the woman is blamed for a reason. She not only went after him but she went after me. She messed with my reputation, my money (as in job opportunities) and this man. I don’t generally go after people, and I am non-confrontational. However, there are things in life that you don’t mess with when it comes to other people—that is family and loved ones and money. She crossed those lines and then some. Aside from all that I am not here asking for justice, for vengeance or any other spell of that nature. The blame however is well placed.

My intent is clear. Unless I am misunderstanding the intent of these spell kits (fiery wall of protection, and crucible of courage) my intent should be clear by what I am asking about, protection and courage for the man I love. I can’t nor do I wish to control who comes in and out of the mans life. My intent is to protect him from those who would harm him, and to strengthen him via the courage spell. Nothing more, nothing less. If her intent is not to harm him, then neither spell I asked about would be effective on her. I make no bones about my mistrust and dislike of this woman, however I don’t desire to do anything against her spell wise. Hence my not asking about any justice, banishing, or hot foots. Most of the readers here have waiting lists, and that is why I thought I would post here while deciding who to go to and when.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:32 pm

Well if she's hoodooed him Crucible of Courage might not help too much. You want to serious uncross and cleanse him, followed up by strong protection work. The Fiery Wall of Protection can absolutely afford him such protection.

My recommendation is to click the link provided by Starsinthesky7 and set up a reading with a reputable reader to determine the best course of action.

Good luck!

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:45 pm

I ditto what ConjureMan Ali said. If she has him under her magical thumb, then the courage work isn't going to be helpful. You are going to have to uncross him first which you are going to want to get an uncrossing spell kit, in addition to the protection work.

So you can do that in the meantime while you are waiting for your reading.

http://www.luckymojo.com/uncrossing.html

stelselv · Unread post by **stelselv** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:37 am

Over 7 days move the black candle further and further back on your altar until you can push it off the back edge and into the bucket of dirt or water.

Dear CM, just clarifying one thing, I push the candle on the 7th day while it is burning, into the bucket of water....Right?

Many thanks..

trish76 · Unread post by **trish76** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:04 pm

Thank you both for your insights. I have contacted Miss Bri and she has responded with some suggestions....pretty much in line with what the two of you have suggested. I will move forward with her suggestions