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Unread post by duchess » Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:13 pm

Hi all!

After listening to segment on ancestor altars on the radio LM Hoodoo Rootwork Hour tonight, I remembered a question I have been meaning to ask.

My partner and I have been living together for a few months now (I moved into his house) and we have managed to combine space harmoniously and have worked out the kinks. I have designated altars around the house, one in the bedroom for "us," another altar for prosperity work, etc. He doesn't practice hoodoo but he is very accepting of my practices.

What I don't have yet is an ancestor altar. I've discussed placement with my partner and he is fine with it. The only thing is I feel like I am leaving his ancestors out. He has quite a bit of their stuff and they are around the house just as much as mine are. Even though he doesn't practice, I feel like I am slighting them somehow if I don't create an altar for them--we are living together and will be getting married so they are going to be a part of my family too...

We've discussed various options including doing seperate altars and it seems the most natural thing in the world to put them on the same altar. Has anyone else done this? I am even thinking I should order a LM peaceful home vigil to formalize it. I am, however, the only hoodooist in the family so I will be the one doing most of the maintaining. Thoughts? Should I ask everyone how they feel about it? I am, of course, far more acquainted with my ancestors than I am his... :)

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Unread post by Mary Bee » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:34 am

Hi duchess:

It's a great idea in general to put up an ancestor altar; I think everyone should honor their ancestors :) However, since the two of you are not married yet or blood relatives, I don't believe your ancestors and your partner's ancestors should be on the same altar. The two of you have different blood lines and and cannot automatically "access" each other's ancestors.

The best advice? If you're gifted at divination, go before your altar with your divination tool (card, pendulum, whatever) and ask *your* ancestors "Do you want to be on the same altar as (insert partner's name here)'s ancestors right now?" If they say yes, then I'd go to your partner's ancestors table with your partner present, ask him to ask the same question *for you*, and then you do the divination (unless he's gifted as a reader, then he can do the reading). If his ancestors say yes, all systems are go! Move the tables together.

If either group of ancestors says "no", ask them "May we move the altars together into one ancestor altar after we get married?" and see what their answer is. I can tell you that my deceased Catholic grandmothers would probably not want my hypothetical live-in partner *too* close until there was a wedding; they were conservative in life and they continue to be so after death :) Your relations may be too.

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Unread post by Joseph Magnuson » Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:35 am

Thank you for that MaryBee. Can I ask how it would be different, in your opinion, if the couple was, in fact, married? My wife and I have been married for a year and a half now and have been thinking about different ancestor altar set-ups. Thank you very much for your information!

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Unread post by Mary Bee » Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:44 am

Hi Joseph:

My personal opinion is that since marriage makes you "family" before God, why not combine the altars? However, you have to listen carefully to your ancestors to make sure they get along on the table. If yours and your wife's families knew each other in life and were pleasant to each other, no problem. But if your Aunt Martha hated your wife's Uncle Bill, you may want to put them on seperate shelves on an altar setup so they're not constantly fighting and creating tension in your home. Does that make sense?
I am single, but I keep my dad's family on one side of the altar and mom's family on the other. It feels right to me that way; they lived fara away from each other in life and there was some "in law"tension early in my parents' marriage, so I make sure things stay peaceful :)

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Unread post by Joseph Magnuson » Tue Jun 14, 2011 2:00 pm

Thank you so much for your post! Much appreciated!

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Unread post by duchess » Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:24 pm

Thanks so much for your response!

Actually, it's funny that you mention blood. My grandma and his grandma are from the same rural part of Arkansas. We didn't know this until after we met but with very large southern families it is not out of the realm of possibility that some of our ancestors at least knew one another--maybe even intermarried. And according to some southern kinship ideas, that is pratically kin. ;)

MaryBee--thank you. Your response really got me thinking about about ancestor practices. There are things I am really wishing my elders were still around to ask about--although I am not sure they would talk about it in the same way. Everyone just took it for granted that great-uncle Moses (or aunt Dovie or Uncle Ray for that matter) was still around even though he had "passed". Sometimes he made his presence known, or expressed an opinion, and as long as you talked to him a bit and set aside a biscuit or some whiskey, well, he was happy. I always thought it a bit odd that great-grandma set out a breakfast for her deceased brother but he did like his biscuits and everyone just seemed to take these things for granted.

Anyhow, I am getting off topic here...sorry... :) I am just now getting into the habit of "formalizing" my ancestor practice. I've been doing some of these things most my life but I am trying to be more conscious of it and get better at it--does that make sense?

I think I'll take your advice and just ask them and see what they say. I've been thinking about putting some spirit guide oil in my next order--do you have any other suggestions on LM products to use so I can communicate with them more clearly and consciously? I can certainly do divination with cards but they don't really seem to like to talk to me in that way. I get the feeling that they prefer direct.

Thanks so much,

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P.s Joseph I would love to hear what you end up doing if you choose to share! :)

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Unread post by Mary Bee » Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:17 am

Hi duchess:

Psychic Vision oil and incense may help you communicate with your ancestors also. One thing you can also try to improve dream communication (my ancestors come to me in my dreams a lot) is to take a clear glass of water, set it next to my bed just before I go to sleep and pray over it, asking my ancestors to visit me in my dreams. When you wake up write down the dreams you remember.

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Unread post by duchess » Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:42 am

Thanks MaryBee!

Totally forgot about Psychic vision oil--something else to add to the next order.

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Unread post by tenorio » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:49 am

As a total beginner with this stuff, I've been reading up on the basics, and noticed that some authors suggest having a skull on your altar. Does the *type* of skull matter at all? Should I get a sugar skull? Crystal one? If the latter, what type of crystal (labradorite, rose quartz, clear quartz, smokey quartz, amethyst, agate, etc.)?

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Unread post by DrXTheRebirth » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:18 pm

Good question. Regarding the crystals, Hoodoo doesn't use crystals in it's work but if it's just for decoration, I'd go with it if I could afford it. However, IMHO, type of skull doesn't matter only the symbolism.
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Unread post by ConjureMan » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:36 pm

Having a skull on your altar isn't mandatory. I've met plenty of rootworkers who didn't have any type of skull on their altar. For example, look through the altar picturs at AIRR and you'll find that there are plenty without skulls.

if you like the symbolism great, if you work with the spirits of the dead, even better, but you aren't going to find a rule in conjure saying you need to have a skull on your altar.
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Unread post by starsinthesky7 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:10 pm

I agree a skull candle is not necessary on your altar. But what you add to an altar depends on the purpose of the work. Now let say you are trying to influence a person for love work. You can definitely fix a red skull candle, and not burn it...but speak with it, and use it as a piece on your altar.
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Unread post by Miss Bri » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:46 am

Copy with what others have said--the primary reasons that a root worker would have a skull on their altar would be if they work with spirits/ancestors or if they are doing wisdom/clarity/influence work on a target and are using the skull to stand in for the head. I have a beautiful pyrite skull from miss cat that I love to use for pay me and money drawing work :-)
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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:15 pm

In all my years i was never told that having a skull on one's altar is "recommended." Some have them, some do not. Some use a carving of a skull or a skull candle to represent the dead, others would never have such a thing in their home. It's amazing what passes for "knowledge" these days.
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Unread post by Joseph Magnuson » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:40 pm

I was never told that I HAD to have a skull on my altar, and I happen to actually have a crystal skull on my altar! Funny! I wonder which authors suggest that! Interesting topic... Nice to see Bri, Ali, Stars, Cat chime in!

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Unread post by blackdiamond » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:38 am

Greetings Everyone!

Yesterday, (Thursday, July 14, 2011) walking out of my daughter's bathroom, I knocked over her mirror. It did not shattered into small pieces. It broke horizontal, a straight line across the mirror. Not a large mirror, a meduim size. Now where I come from, this mean 7 years bad luck. But I believe it broke some kinda of action for me or my daughter.

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Unread post by CopperFox » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:10 am

Hi blackdiamond.
I'm not sure what you're asking. What do you mean by "I think it broke and action, either for me or my daughter."
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Unread post by yoragoddess » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:27 pm

Could someone tell me why are saucers and bowls turned upside down in certain spells?

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Unread post by Devi Spring » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:55 pm

In all the ones I can think of, it's generally so that you can place some non-flat items underneath the saucer, and burn candles on top of them - the saucer or bowl provides a flat surface the candle can rest on. For instance, if you're using a john the conqueror root, wrapped into a petition paper with some other herbs, a candle would not balance on top of that. So you put them items under the saucer or bowl, and then rest the dressed candle on the bottom of the saucer/bowl.
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Unread post by starsinthesky7 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:34 pm

We cannot tell you what this means and besides this is not in regards to lucky mojo products. It is just simply a mirror breaking.

Now I would go about cleansing the area with some uncrossing products as well as you and your daughter.

http://www.luckymojo.com/uncrossing.html

And then next you need to get a reading regarding what this means for you if anything at all.

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Unread post by yoragoddess » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:24 am

Thanks,and I'm trying to figure some crazy symbolism behind it. lol

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:16 pm

yoragoddess,

One major reason to place items under a saucer or bowl is to avoid getting wax dripped on them from the candle while performing a candle spell over them.

There are some good pictures of Miss Benedikte's work for clients where she uses a clear glass bowl (a very small one) for this. She places items under the bowl while burning candles on top of the bowl -- and here is just one of her pictures that shows the technique, courtesy of AIRR -- she is dedicating a mojo bag for a client and has placed it under a glass bowl which is turned upside down, and has set a candle (in a stamped metal star-holder) on the bowl:

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Unread post by yoragoddess » Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:48 am

Thank you for your prompt answers.

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Unread post by blackdiamond » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:37 pm

Thank you!

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:11 pm

The omen of a broken mirror foretelling seven years of bad luck is very common in America and Europe -- so common, that when this happens, there are spells one can do to avert the danger. I would do the following:

Bury the mirror pieces in your backyard or somewhere pleasant -- do not throw them in the trash.

Clean up the area with Chinese Wash.

Both you and your daughter (it was her mirror) take a simple uncrossing or luck-changing bath. This is exactly the kind of situation that Van Van Oil or Van Van Bath Crystals should address. A few drops of the oil in the bath or a half-handful of the bath crystals will be sufficient. Recite the 23rd Psalm. If you have no Van Van Oil but do have Chinese Wash, use a few drops of that in the bath: the recipe is almost identical and both of them clean away messes and change bad luck to good.

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Unread post by blackdiamond » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:34 pm

Thank You so very much Ms. Yronwode and I will order those items, as well as read the recommended sites.

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Unread post by andy598 » Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:04 am

What should be done if a statue of a saint accidentally falls off a counter or altar unto the floor and partially breaks? Should I glue back together and get rid of it?

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Unread post by Miss Bri » Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:11 am

Depending on the context in which the statue falls it may be a sign that this particular Saint is not willing to work for your cause or that things are going to go hard with your case. As to protocol--I have heard different things from different people. Some folks will glue the statue back together and in cases of clumsiness or such that is what I would do. Some will take the pieces and bury them or wrap them in a blanket and put them in a drawer that is seldom used. This last can also be used for Saints who are not working for you the way you would like them to--I learned it from an old lady in New Mexico who was a devout Catholic and worked in her own magical tradition.
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Unread post by jwmcclin » Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:24 am

Its interesting you would ask this question andy598. I had a statue to arrive in the mail broken. I chose Miss Bri's last recommendation to wrap and put away, may eventually glue back together, hadn't decided yet. The statue was unique and I just didn't want to dispose of it.
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Unread post by andy598 » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:56 am

I was told by a card reader that when a Saint brakes, it's a sign of bad (evil) that came you way and the Saint absorbed it and is notifying you. Also, the card reader advised me to take the Saint to a tree and leave it or give it to someone as a gift. Do you believe that the Saint will be upset if left by a tree?

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Unread post by starsinthesky7 » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:17 am

I have a Saint Martha dominator statue (the afro-carribean depiction aka the Black woman) with the snakes. Well my statue accidently fell after I was not watching what I was doing while cleaning. One of the snakes that stick out sort of isolated broke off. I simply apologized to saint martha for being so careless, and glue the statue back together. I lit a candle to her and ask that she give me some indication that she will still work with me. Everything was great and she still works great for me til this day.

I think you should glue it back together, and simply apologize to the saint.
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Unread post by hapinys » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:11 pm

Would it be a good idea to write out my petition with DB for a vinegar jar to give that more "oomph"?

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Unread post by JayDee » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:08 am

No, this is what LM site says for Dragon's Bood Ink : To write out spells, pacts, and wishes for protection, luck, power, and courage.... I don't think thats your intention with the jar.

However, Bat's Bood Ink states this : To write out spells and pacts with spirits and for jinxing work against enemies. ...which sounds more aligned with negative work which you are doing.
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Unread post by Joseph Magnuson » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:12 pm

Bravo j82! Quick informational post! I agree 100%

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Unread post by ElectroKid » Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:34 am

Hello

When writing your wish on a parchment paper do i need to use lucky mojo Scented inks or could i use a normal pen and pencil
which is better

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Unread post by Joseph Magnuson » Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:26 pm

You can use whatever you would like! Some people love the ceremony of putting their wishes in scented ink...I have used this method myself and had great results. Usually I use a small lottery/golf pencil with no eraser. I get the same results with this as I have with ink. The choice is entirely yours though! There is no "better."

Good question, hope this helped! Good luck!

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PS- I also use brown grocery bag paper instead of parchment paper. Works amazingly well! :)
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Unread post by ElectroKid » Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:54 pm

hey joe

thanks for the info :)

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Unread post by Joseph Magnuson » Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:27 am

No problem, ElectroKid, I hope it helped! That's why we're here!
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Unread post by coastwitch » Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:41 am

I'd like to add something here:

The use of inks in folk magic goes beyond their employment for writing on paper. They are also used to write petitions on white plates (on which a candle is then set, in a holder) or in a bathtub (into which water is then run for a ceremonial or magical bath. So while a stubby pencil may be used in writing certain petitions with great effect, in other applications, the writing is always done with ink (or beet juice, in a pinch).

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Unread post by FredL » Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:52 pm

I am white, and ancestor veneration is not something that comes natural to me; therefore, I am relying on you and your opinions and suggestions. I know I could easily Google ancestor altar, but I truly trust the people here, so that’s why I’m asking for your opinions.

1) I’ve heard that the first altar one should set up in one’s home is for one’s ancestors, however, I have already set up an altar for the Voodoo lwa Papa Legba, because he opens doors and pathways, and because I’ve heard that he is the first lwa one is to honor; however, I don’t have an ancestor altar, so I really think I need to create a sacred space to honor them soon.

2) What would be a good way of cleansing the space before I create the altar? I was thinking a mixture of holy water and Florida Water. Just an intuitive guess, and I am not even sure if it’s necessary.

3) I’m guessing a white cloth, with a plain white candle (or maybe one with a cross on it), a glass or dish filled with holy water, and pictures of relatives is a plain and simple start. But what next?

4) Are pictures of LIVING relatives appropriate on an ancestor altar?

5) What types of incenses would one use on an ancestor altar?

6) Offering food or drink popular with one’s family would make sense. Anything else?

7) What about prayers? Having been born and raised Roman Catholic, I am used to (and comfortable with) the recitation of specific prayers, but I’m certainly open to suggestions.

8) Finally, is it appropriate to combine the veneration of ancestors on an altar with one’s more worldly concerns? For example, adding money-drawing aspects or love-drawing aspects to one’s ancestor attar? OR, should they be completely separate and distinct?

Thank you kindly for any suggestions anyone has to offer. I bless each and every one of you for your kind assistance.

Sincerely,
Fred

P.S. I plan on setting up a money altar next, and will be asking you for your valuable opinions soon, but felt that my ancestor altar is my main spiritual priority right now.

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:31 pm

Hello, FredL,

I have moved your question into the long thread on altar set-ups and i advise you first to read the entire thread, up to here, because some of your questions have already been asked and answered. That having been said, here are some further comments:

1) Voodoo is a religion that literally has nothing to do with African American conjure of the United States South. You could have an altar to any deity you chose and it would have no impact on what i am about to relay to you. For information on Voodoo, please seek out a Voodoo priest, houngan, or mambo.

2) We typically cleanse spaces with Chinese Wash in the practice of conjure. Since most conjures are Protestant Christian, we do not use holy water. That is a Catholic Christian practice. For more information on the role of religion in hoodoo, please see some of the replies that moderators and knowledgeable practitioners have made to queries about how, if, or when hoodoo intersects with religions of various sorts. The thread is here:

Hoodoo & Religion: Voodoo Wicca Santeria Witchcraft Atheism
hoodoo-&-religion-voodoo-wicca-santeria ... 10231.html

3) This is okay. It is rather Catholic, however, due to the proposed use of holy water, and it seems to have Kardecian Spiritist overtones or an echo of Santeria as well, due to the use of Florida Water.

For more on Kardecian Spiritism, please read this web page at AIRR:

Category:Working Within the Spiritualist Tradition
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/C ... _Tradition

For more on Santeria, Lukumi, and similar religions, please see this web page at AIRR:

Category:Orishas
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/Category:Orishas

Now, as for hoodoo ancestor veneration, you would usually have some mementos of the deceased -- framed photos, a pipe, a thimble, bronzed baby shoes, a pot of graveyard dirt, flowers, and candles. Some folks will place a skull on the ancestor altar (or a replica thereof), some will keep perfume or cologne of some sort on the altar.

You can read more about ancestor veneration in a conjure context and see actual pictures at these AIRR web pages:

Ancestors
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/Ancestors

The Dead and the Graveyard
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/T ... _Graveyard

And here is a page on African ancestor veneration

Bwete
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/Bwete

4) In conjure, especially among Protestant and Catholic Christian practitioners, it is quite common to ask the dead to "watch over" the living, thus to place photos of loved ones -- especially those who may need watching over -- on the ancestor altar, to commend them to the guardianship of the grandparents who have passed.

Contrariwise, in some African diasporic religions -- most notably the religion of Santeria -- this practice is explicitly forbidden.

5) Whatever suits you or the ancestors! They will tell you what they like. If they are of Native American descent, for instance, they may request Tobacco.

6) Food and drink are popular offerings. So are flowers (real or silk), and candy, and anything they request.

7) Well, if you are Catholic, and your ancestors were Catholic, then by all means say Catholic prayers. If one of them had a favourite saint, you might recite a novena to that saint to get the attention and favour of the ancestor who loved that saint.

8) In hoodoo we often find that poverty is a strong delimiter of how many altars one can set up. Many folks just have the one altar, and that has become their family tradition, and they do not go all "altar crazy" and get into "altar artistry." This is especially true if they are Protestant Christians -- Protestant altars, both in churches and in homes, are typically less numerous and less elaborate than those of Catholics.

Here, courtesy of Ms. Robin of the Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers (AIRR), is a simple cursing and revenge altar where work is conducted for clients.

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Re: Altar Tools Religious Goods Sacred Images Questions and Answers

Unread post by catherineyronwode » Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:01 pm

blackcateyes --

Sorry i missed your question above.

Of course it is okay to put graveyard dirt on your ancestor altar -- if it is the dirt of your ancestors. If you only have one altar, then it's okay too. You may also work with the graveyard dirt of non-ancestors -- but you would probably not do so on an "ancestor altar" because they are not your ancestors. Not all people have a specific ancestor altar, by the way. Most have a working altar, though.

Here, courtesy of Prof. C. D. Porterfield of the Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers (AIRR), is an altar upon which ancestor work is being performed. Graveyard dirt has been collected and a "private graveyard" erected on a table-top altar. A crossroads has been deliniated and candles are being burned, accompanied by offerings of coins and other things . When the work is completed, this graveyard dirt may be used in various spells.

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You can read more about ancestor altars and see photos here:

Ancestors
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/Ancestors

But, if you have a working alatar, then it may be that your working spirits' graveyard dirt will go on the working altar.

Up to you, reaslly.

As for whether any of the spirits will get "jealous" -- well, honey, that is for YOU to deal with -- they are YOUR ancestors and YOUR familiar spirits. They each have their own ideas and you need to work with them, not by some fake "rule-set" or "game manual." Speak to them!
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Unread post by Mister Lee » Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:34 am

I'm in the process of turning a walk-in closet into a place to keep my altar. Can anyone suggest which products to use to cleanse the space and make it suitable for housing an altar? For that matter, which products would be good for on-going cleansing?
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Unread post by Mama Micki » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:13 am

As Miss Cat stated in the above post, Chinese Wash is used to cleanse spaces.
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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:08 am

Terengo,

Your question has been merged into a long thread on altars, where it was previously asked and answered: we use Chinese Wash to cleanse areas. It is used for floor washes and for baths, too. It is a mild soapy product that will not harm most varnished or painted wooden surfaces. It is made with herbs and oils with reputed spiritual cleansing properties.

Some people also use alcohol-based perfumes for cleansing an altar, but you must be very careful and test a small area first, lest you take the finish off of wood surfaces or cause fabric dyes to run and smear. If you wish to use a solvent-style cleanser to clean glass surfaces, you may use ammonia-and-water mixtures, and the same precautions apply.

You must not ever clean a marble mantelpiece or or a hand-carved wooden nightstand with a marble top like this with lemon juice or vinegar. It will destroy the finish.

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Chinese wash is a safe spiritual cleaner for altar furniture and decor that can be wetted:

WAT-CHI-GL04
Chinese Wash, 4 oz.
$8.00

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Your altar is, above all, a piece of furniture and a practical working space. Keeping it clean is important, and preserving it from harmful chemicals is importan as well.
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Unread post by Mister Lee » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:41 am

Thank you for moving my post and for your reply. I'm actually really careful about starting new topics, and I did look for an altar thread... just not hard enough.

I really liked your suggestion upstream about putting a single altar facing south. I need to check my room. If there's enough space, that's exactly what I'll do!
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Unread post by Theredqueen911 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:47 pm

There has been much talk of how to set up an ancestor altar...and a little about the saints but not exactly How to set up a saint altar? What color cloth do you use or does it matter? Is it set up like an ancestor altar with a cup of water and a shot of whiskey? Do you only use the saint candles or like the ancestor altar do you use a certain colored candle as well? Do you burn incense on it? Any particular kind? Or doesn't matter?

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Unread post by catherineyronwode » Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:46 pm

blackcateyes, the reason there is little talk about setting up altars in the home for Catholic saints is that relatively few practitioners of hoodoo are Catholics. We just don't have a whole lot to say on the subject because most of us don't do it.

It is customary in folk Catholic practices to relate certain saints to certain colours. These are often the colours of their costumes in the most popular holy cards and chromo images depicting these saints. Thus, for example, Cyprian is associated with purple, Expedite with red, Dymphna with green, Michael with red, Our Lady of Grace with blue, Our Lady of Mount Carmel with brown, Saint Anthony with brown, and so forth. White is also acceptable in most Catholic altars, as is yellow or gold, the colour of beeswax, which, at one time, was the only kind of wax permitted in Catholic churches.

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If you want to venerate a saint, I would suggest reading up on that saint first in the regular Catholic encyclopedia and then among folk-Catholic practitioners of the culture to which you are an adherent. It is important to note that the folk-Catholic practices of France differ in a number of ways from those of Germany -- and all of the European variations differ in turn from South and Central American practices. In the United States you will see a lot of variations, because immigrants have come here from all over the world, and those who are Catholic may have brought to America a wide variety of favourite saints or favourite practices for venerating them or favourite beliefs about their patronage.

Speaking of patronage, here's a list of popular saints and their patronages:

http://luckymojo.com/patronsaints.html

Cultural variation does NOT mean that colour, offerings, date of veneration, area of patronage, and so forth "don't matter" -- in fact, to many people, these nuances and their cultural origins matter a great deal.

If you are coming to Catholicism as an outsider, i would suggest that in order to gain a coherent, workable view of the matter, you should make friends with someone of the culture which attracts you, and follow that culture's preferences.

We can't describe all of the many Catholic variations here -- there are simply too many of them -- but we do have threads about a great number of the saints, where people have posted their own cultural traditions and their own opinions. So, rather than try to generalize, which is impossible, i ask you to read the threads named after the saints in whom you are interested and ask about each saint in his or her own thread.

Thank you!
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Unread post by Theredqueen911 » Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:01 pm

Thanks a Mill, Cat...That was helpful...I was thinking it might go along those lines but wasn't sure...I will def ck out the forum for certain saints like you suggested!!!! You are right generalization sometimes is impossible..this being one of those cases...thanks again...

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Unread post by LEARNING719 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:44 pm

Thinking of using my fire mantel in livingroom.
on mantal i hve photos of grandparent whom are past away & rosry beeds around photo. ( im not catholic but i love rosaries)

Everyone knows i love candels so i burn them all the time anyway. There R always cadles up there.

What am i missing? Want to keep discreet.

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Unread post by lovingblueeyes » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:12 am

HELP!!!!
I was moving my break up altar to a more discrete location in my home and I accidently knocked both figures down!
I picked them up off the floor and placed them right back in it's original place/ position. Did I do the right thing? If not, what do I need to do???This is my third day, has my work been compromised? ???

.Feed back please!!!!! :x
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Unread post by jwmcclin » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:47 am

We all have what I call oops moments. When you are involved in your work, it may seem that you have compromised the spell. In my opinion, consider the work at hand. How do you feel when the situation happens and go from there. If you have this continuous feeling get a reading and ask your question, in your case, 'has my work been compromised?' A person reading your post, could certainly say from reading your post 'no' or 'yes' according to their experience. But a reading on the matter will be more accurate and give you the next steps. Good Luck!
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Unread post by lovingblueeyes » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:13 am

Thanks for the input.
So I can understand you better, just continue my work and feel it out as I have been?
If that feeling of faith "its going to work", which has
been my feeling, doesn't return I should get a reading?
It's so disheartning to me, all of the time, energy, etc.. put into your work and this happens!
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Unread post by Dr Johannes » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:26 am

Those "accidents" are always another force at work. Perhaps the targets are protected? Perhaps you are protected because they were about to find out what you are up to and will send a curse in return which might mess things up for you if the job was not disturbed at that point.
Do a reading, find out and adjust the work to the situation.
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Unread post by lovingblueeyes » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:37 am

It was literally a careless mistake on my part, I have such little privacy @ home and all.. I was simply trying to find and place my altar in a more discrete suitable place.
I can't dismiss all of your suggestions, though!
So, here's another one for you....... How do I go about getting this reading ASAP?
I've seen the info on the site already but how do I go about choosing the right person? Also, there are so many different kind of readings available!!!
Ughhh. so upset! :(
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Unread post by Dr Johannes » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:44 am

Of couse one could say "but my window was open, so that is why the candles blew out" and similar things. But the real reason for that window being opened at that time might not be the same as the ideas ones mind usually go for when asking for basic reasons behind things.
I suggest you call Hoodoo Psychics at 1-800-HOODOO and ask the one avaliable right now, whoever that might be.
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Unread post by AmaSarah » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:50 am

This may not be the most technically proficient answer but I think it's very often important to just go with what you feel. I have these sorts of mishaps all the time but I know it's mainly because I don't have the most delicate touch. There are times, though, that I just get the sense something is not right. It just smells of it. It doesn't have to mean something is necessarily wrong. Sometimes these things happen to protect you or send you in a different direction. For example, I once sent a tricked packaged to a love target. On my walk to the post office, I tripped and fell flat on my face sending the package flying out of my hands well across the way. Anyone could have fallen but in that moment I knew something was wrong. My intuition was screaming that I needed to go back home. But being a bit hard-headed, I mailed that package regardless. When my love target received it, we ended up getting in an argument over the contents and it took us weeks to begin speaking again. Something tried to stop me from sending that package but I didn't listen. Basically, you just have to learn to develop and trust your intuition. How do you feel about what happened? That's usually the first question I ask myself and take it from there.

When these things do happen, I tend to just set the items straight, pray a little harder and focus a little harder. If I think another force is at work, I usually perform a cleansing and then repeat the work.

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Unread post by lovingblueeyes » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:13 pm

I have to say you are right!!!!!
This morning, my intuition was extremly confused!
It so happens to be that me and my intended work together, he has approached me twice today!!! In one of this approaches it was to invite me out next week and the other, well let's just say it was surprisingly intimate!
So for me.....I'm taking it as a gesture that my work is working!!!!
Im doing exactly what you suggested Ama, I going to pray even harder!!!!
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Unread post by lovingblueeyes » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:17 am

Thank you Dr.Johannes,
Be blessed.
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