Ethics and Moral Justifications for Spell Work

bella80 · Unread post by **bella80** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:35 pm

thank you so much, I will try and hopefully it works......

emu81684 · Unread post by **emu81684** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:19 pm

A friend of mine just went through some horrible and unfortunately common circumstances. She just found out that she was not only being cheated on, but was in fact the other woman. The man she had been dating had moved to her area while dating another woman from back home when he began a relationship with her. I've been cheated on, as have most of my girl-friends, so I know how she feels, but I've never done work regarding another person's life, only my own and the people I wish to affect. So I was wondering where would be a good place to start? I don't want to get involved in her love life, those things are complicated all on their own, but I do want to help relieve her stress. I want to help her think clearly and help calm her down. If she stay with him, she stays with him. Again, I don't want to get involved in that, but she is a dear friend and I want to help her. Any suggestions?

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:54 pm

"I've been cheated on, as have most of my girl-friends," What a sad fact

. It's time to start looking at a different pool of men...

If you want to help her out you can give her a sneaky gift of Healing bath crystals. She'll think they are luxurious, but they'll help heal her of of her wounds. While she's enjoying the baths you can work Healing candles on her along with King Solomon's Wisdom. This will help heal her of her hurts while giving her the sagacity to make the right decisions.

emu81684 · Unread post by **emu81684** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:50 pm

Thank you again conjureman for your help. I will do just that. And trust me we have done our best to leave that pool of men. Apparently the guys our age just don't have as much respect as past generations. Sad but true it seems. But thank you again.

alex bettencourt · Unread post by **alex bettencourt** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:10 pm

So, I'm moving into a new apartment in the next couple weeks. I am planning on cleansing my room and space and adding the protections that I usually add to my living space. However, I will be living with a roommate who has no spiritual inclination whatsoever and is pretty 'head blind'. I tend to have nasty things follow me home or show up and want something, so I'm wanting to protect and clean the entire home so that I'm not at risk when I'm trying to relax.

I feel a wee bit uncomfy going behind my roommate's back but, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure it will benefit her. Is this ethically kosher or am I on shaky ground? I'm planning a whole room wash for my bedroom with some extra window and entrance protections. I'd like to use a witch bottle and some window bottles in the house, but I have no idea how non-spiritual people will feel about such things. Thoughts?

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:17 pm

Well there's a difference between having no spiritual inclination and being fundamentally opposed to magic work on dogmatic grounds. If she just doesn't care one way or the other, then who cares? Just clean the house. That's the core of spiritual cleansing anyway, is adding intent and spiritually-potent ingredients into the regular cleansing routine. You don't have to tell her the mopwater has spiritual cleansing properties - who cares, you're just cleaning. If you regularly burn incense anyway, just burn a different kind - who care, you're just burning incense. Even if she was greatly opposed to magical work on dogmatic grounds, I'd still clean things up and just not mention that you're doing anything different. It's not like cleansing hurts anything. Just do the bulk of it when she's not home.

If you want to put extra things into your room, then really it's none of her business what you do in your room. Let's put it this way, would she be offended if you were just following your own personal religious/spiritual beliefs as long as you kept it to yourself? Probably not. Just because she doesn't practice anything, doesn't mean she cares if other people do.

Just keep your work quiet. Don't shove it in her face. Lock the door to your room to maintain your privacy. And then be subtle elsewhere.

thelightfantastic · Unread post by **thelightfantastic** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:49 pm

Since you're not doing anything the least bit harmful, I'm not sure why you think you're on shaky ground or why you doing a cleansing would be unethical. You're doing something that you believe will benefit your home - most roommates would understand even if they didn't believe in such things. If you really feel it that big a deal, run it by her first. Odds are she probably won't care.

Further, ethics in hoodoo is a very personal thing. There's no set laws, rule of three or karma concept. Basically your conscience is your guide.

Seekinghelp123 · Unread post by **Seekinghelp123** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:31 pm

1) Vinegar Jar and Revrsing Spell

I am feeling guilty and apprehension about my intention of creating a vinegar jar and performing a Reversal spell.There are two people, the boss and the associate. The boss and the associate are "friends" and I don't know them very well. I understand they are close but I am at a disadvantage. The associate twists around my words and situations to suit her/his favor and I am certain this person talks to the boss about me in a negative way. Since the boss and associate are close, I am positive the boss believes the associate and not me. I want to add that I can sense the associate is threatened by my presence because I am capable and smart and I can do a better job than her/him. The root of the situation is that the associate is a bully and is trying to remove me from the job by defaming my character and to try to isolate me and make me feel uncomfortable. ?The boss tolerates the behavior of the associate and has not done much to correct it. I want this situation to stop.Part of me wants to do a reversal spell on both parties so that they can experience the pain and anguish their actions have caused. Instead of their words and actions harming me, I would like it to come back at them. I also want to do a vinegar spell to separate the two. I do not wish harm on them but I sense their power comes from them being allies, but once separated they will not be so strong and confident in themselves. I want the boss and associate to stop being allies and have the boss favor me. So I wanted to do a honey jar spell with boss fix oil with me and the boss.

2) Honey Jar

I am not sure though about the honey jar for the boss. This boss can be two-faced and I am not sure if down the line this boss will just find a new ally to work against me. So I want the behavior of the boss to stop as well. I think I am a good person but when someone picks on those that are kind and not able to fully defend themselves, deep down I feel these kinds of people need a taste of their own medicine. I do believe in karma and I have faith that these people will eventually learn their lesson in life, but part of me wants to do something to have some justice. I want to reiterate that I do not wish to harm them, I just want to bounce back the negative energies they are trying to send to me.

3) Karma

I wonder though, if a spell is meant to work on that person, it WILL happen correct? If the spell didn't work, there is perhaps a karmic lesson I would need to learn. I do believe that if someone is protected by God or whoever, doesn't matter how many spells are cast, this person is protected. But if the person is meant to experience karma and justices, then yes, the spell that is cast /WILL work, please let me know if I am understanding this correctly.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:03 pm

Well, Seekinghelp123, karma is not part of hoodoo, so discussion of that is off-topic to this work. However it seems you are struggling with whether the work you are doing is justified or not -- and the ethical justification of one's work is indeed a concept discussed among practitioners of hoodoo.

A reading with an AIRR worker can really help you with that question.

Also, whether tricks work or not have many factors involved, not the least of which is the skill of the worker. Again, if you are in doubt as to whether you have a good chance to be successful or not, a reading can help determine that as well. You can also always hire a worker to work on your behalf so that you know you have a skilled practitioner working for your intent.

Plus, a reading and consultation will also help you develop the plan of attack that is most likely to be work.

You can find a long list of ethical and skilled workers at http://www.readersandrootworkers.org

thelightfantastic · Unread post by **thelightfantastic** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:02 pm

Seekinghelp123,

Devi Spring got it right - karma is a Hindu concept, and thus a new age concept. It is not a part of hoodoo. There are ethics involved in hoodoo, which is why it is important to get a reading before beginning any kind of work. A reading will tell you whether any kind of work is justified.

I'd also advise that you read up on the history of hoodoo and what it actually entails. If it's not for you, there's other forms of magic that will fit into your beliefs.

Unread post by **Spookyredhead** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:08 am

Hi everyone!

I am a novice and I need some advice. This week I am going to be sewing some little sundresses for charity. These garments will be worn by unfortunate little girls who live in extreme poverty in Mexico and Haiti. When I think about the lives these kids lead it just breaks my heart. I was wondering if you all think it would be okay (ethical) to apply some Hoodoo to the items before I send them off. I was thinking prosperity and protection. I also need ideas on what would be the best way to infuse them with these intentions.

Thanks!

Spookyredhead

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:51 pm

That's a perfectly fine idea! I would either add some of the appropriate bath crystals to the wash water when you lander the dresses, or smoke them in incense, and of course pray over them, and pray while you make them. What a wonderful thing to do, God Bless you.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:00 pm

I agree with Turnsteel...great idea!

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:17 pm

Absolutely BRILLIANT and very kind and giving!!! Good for you Spookyredhead and way to go!!!

Unread post by **Spookyredhead** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:24 am

Awwww....thanks! I am a crafty girl so it's my way of being a do-gooder. If anyone else is interested in this sort of thing, here is a link to a great resource: http://crafthope.com/

From your suggestion, I was thinking about rinsing them using the Fiery Wall of Protection bath crystals as a rinse.

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:42 pm

Spookyredhead wrote:Hi everyone!

I am a novice and I need some advice. This week I am going to be sewing some little sundresses for charity. These garments will be worn by unfortunate little girls who live in extreme poverty in Mexico and Haiti. When I think about the lives these kids lead it just breaks my heart. I was wondering if you all think it would be okay (ethical) to apply some Hoodoo to the items before I send them off. I was thinking prosperity and protection. I also need ideas on what would be the best way to infuse them with these intentions.

Thanks!

Spookyredhead

Others have already said this, but I would chime in--absolutely. I do lots of conjure work for animal rescue organizations as they are near and dear to my heart and it is part of my devoted service to St. Francis. Prosperity and protection would be excellent as would the Blessing line. May you be blessed in your work and may they be blessed with the dresses!
Bri

Unread post by **Spookyredhead** » Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:05 am

Thanks Miss Bri! I think we will be making blankets for the humane society at some point in the future...we will make sure to bless those too!

LuckyButterfly · Unread post by **LuckyButterfly** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:03 am

My mother-inlaw is the nastiest piece of work god has ever made! I tried to befriend her but she doesn't like me because im asian. My husband is full blond and blue eyes. Our kids are both black hair, my daughter is very asian looking and my son is very fair. She adores my son because he is whiter than my daughter. She has hitted my daughter twice on her head, once with her fist and once with a remote control. Of course she denies this with my husband but my daughter had a huge lump on her head. Funny thing was, my husband said, 'Oh honey, you know she wouldn't do such a thing!'. She said that my rice stinks, that i shouldn't eat with a spoon and fork and that i ought to learn the elligant way, meaning with a fork and a knife. She has absolutely tried to take my husband away from me and my kids several times and for some odd reason but he did as she said. She told me to abort when i was pregnant because it would ruin her son's life. She was evil on my wedding day and wanted to wear a black dress. The best part about her is that she will always show a nice face and a kind heart only when my husband is looking and as soon as he turns around, she turns evil. He doesn't believe anything i say about her. We just end up in fights. This women made me cry my heart out the day before my wedding day, on my wedding day and 2 days after my wedding day. I can go on forever with my story since my husband and i have been together for 13 years. What i am writing/describing about the things she has done to me is only an inch of the time i have been with my husband.

I would like my husband to focus on his family more than her. I would like him to side me, to side his family. I want him to stop comminucating with her, as evil as that sounds. This woman has literally almost broken up my family. I hate her to bits and i would really want my husband to ignore to stop his relationship with her because he just doesnt give her any consequences in order for her to stop harassing me and my kids.

Please send me advices. I would love to hear some help on this situation.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:15 am

Luckybutterfly, you have every right to be number one in your husband's eyes. I suggest that you use Adam and Eve products and this Bible verse from the story of Adam and Eve:

Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh. Genesis 2:24

LuckyButterfly · Unread post by **LuckyButterfly** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:44 am

Thank you so much. I've been so unhappy and so hurt for so many years and i just want a stop to it. Some people just can't understand me because it's his mother. I have to obey and respect her for my husband's sake! I can't do it anymore nor do i want to continue being her little game. She even said that she has tumor in her lungs and then all of a sudden the tumor is in her liver. And then she comes up with, 'Oh my doctor doesn't want to check if it is benign or malignant because it might be too risky!' I think it's either it's true that she has a tumor (karma serves her right, although i really do not wish anyone harm) or she just wants my husband's attention and turn his world around her. I don't know, either way, i really would like her out of our lives. She's absolutely bad news and just sucks out the happiness out of me. She has tortured me mentally and no matter what i do or say to my husband, i have no rights to talk about his mother in a bad way! I feel like i'm the villan at the end of the day trying to make my husband realize what kind of a person she is.

I thank you mama Micki for your help.

kmew1315 · Unread post by **kmew1315** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:15 pm

I don't have magical advice this time, but some practical advice. You sound as if she is an evil, cruel woman around you, but says none of these things when he's around. Have you ever tried some way to secretly record her when her son's not around? If you think a video camera would be too obvious, find a portable audio recorder and hide it and turn it on. If your phone has a video camera on it, then that's perfect, just turn that on and you can hide what it is very easily and it will definitely show that it is her saying and doing these things.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:17 pm

Good idea kmew - there are plenty of cheap "nanny cams" that you can buy nowadays!

LuckyButterfly · Unread post by **LuckyButterfly** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:11 am

Tried the phone camera, tried recording her, showed him text messages that she sent me that were threats....in the end she still finds a way to cover up what she did or said. And like i said, he always falls for her crocodile tears. This is way i am asking for magical and spiritual help. All im asking is for a spell or any LM products that can help me make my husband ignore her, banish her out of his life, something. Besides, she doesn't live here, she lives in Spain and i have told him that she is never to step foot in our house nor call at home ever again. After what she has done to me on my wedding day, i have drawn the line. My husband and i just got married last Dec. after so many years that we've been together. Just because she told him again and again that if he would marry me, he will make the biggest mistake of his life!

So thank you for the advice about the camera, but i think i will stick to any hope of magic that there is in hoodoo works. I will however try Mama Micki's advice with LM Adam and Eve's products. It's worth a try.

Starfish · Unread post by **Starfish** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:07 am

LuckyButterfly, I feel for you, this must be so exhausting emotionally.

Just my 2 cents: Christmas is coming and most people send gifts to each other. If you do so to her, maybe it would be helpful to add some banishing products to them, like a tiny dab of oil or a little bit of powder, in a way that she will come in contact with it.

LuckyButterfly · Unread post by **LuckyButterfly** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:56 am

Hello Starfish. Thank you for your advice. It does sound like a great idea. You're a star

Starfish · Unread post by **Starfish** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:00 am

Thank you!

It was like a coincidence. I started wrapping the first packages for my family for Christmas today and when I read your story, this idea popped into my mind.

xanara · Unread post by **xanara** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:31 pm

I have a same but different situation. My boyfriend (of 8 years) is Muslim and Pakistani. I am neither. His father has convinced him that he needs a wife from the same cultural background, and that having an American wife would be a disgrace to his name. My boyfriend is complying. He says that his father has sacrificed so much for him, that he cannot disappoint him. His father at one point threatened to disown him, because of me. What can I do? I know that he loves me. I am afraid that if something doesn't happen soon. I will lose him. His father has already insisted that he sign up for matrimonial services.

Leopreponderance · Unread post by **Leopreponderance** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:54 pm

Hey,all
I have a friend who is looking to attract a partner of the opposite sex.To be more specific,she wants to attract her doctor.She says that she is pretty positive,that they share a mutual sexual attraction.The only problem is that he is married.I recommended a breakup spell and the "Come To Me Boy" spellkit,but she says money is tight right now and she doesn't have much time.Apparently,the reason she doesn't have much time is because she is only seeing him for her consulation and he is actually going to be the surgeon performing the particular procedure.I think she will only see him for about 4 more visits.What can she do that is extremely EFFECTIVE,but at the same time not TOO costly(no more than 20-40 dollars)?

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:01 pm

The issue here is whether this 'doctor' has an interest in your friend to determine which spell to work. Follow Me Boy, Come To Me, Look Me Over, Attraction, are all drawing spells that works to get the attention of a admirer.

Look Me Over (http://www.luckymojo.com/lookmeover.html) can get the doctor to notice and admire your friend; Come To Me (http://www.luckymojo.com/cometome.html) will draw him closer; however, I think you should start with a reading to identify the possibilities...
http://www.readersandrootworkers.org

Artaynia · Unread post by **Artaynia** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:11 pm

Taking someone else's husband isn't right, right?

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:56 pm

Artaynia

None of us can really make that call, every situation is different and we on this forum aren't here to judge.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:22 pm

Turnsteel, hoodoo is not a spiritually vacant free-fire zone. I am not speaking of sitting in judgement on the woman but i would like to note that many of us CAN "make that call," because that call was already made for many of us, long ago:

1 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.

2 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

3 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

4 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

5 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

6 Thou shalt not kill.

7 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.

8 Neither shalt thou steal.

9 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.

10 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

A spell that violates two of the Ten Coomandments would not be a spell that many people would fell comfortable doing.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:34 pm

Well, I feel like if your friend wants to take someone's husband that is your issue. We are not here to judge you, but rootwork and on a professional level it might be impossible. He can get FIRED for sleeping with a patient. There is a code of ethnics that is of concern too. Usually, professionals are not allowed to have a sexual relationship or even a friendship for at least two years after the professional relationship has ended.

If she wants to sleep with a married doctor that is her business. But since she is on a tight budget then I highly recommend that she get a reading before she wastes her time AND her money on this man. She should get a reading to see if it is even worth it. And another thing is...she needs to know what she is getting herself into. People sometimes put there hand on a hot stove and dont expect to get burned...then complain about the burn. Basically, I am saying is if she is looking for a relationship she might be in over her head, and biting off more than she can chew given that he is married.

So...with that said she should get a reading to see if she can even get any movement from this situation, and if he is willing to risk his doctor's license for her.

Unread post by **Lee Canipe** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:52 pm

Lord, have mercy. I often wonder if people really understand the meaning of "justified".

Lee Canipe #398 (G)

beautiful · Unread post by **beautiful** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:25 pm

These things happen. Look I once had a crush on the president of the US! LOL! But I'm not that crazy! Come on. =)

Leopreponderance · Unread post by **Leopreponderance** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:28 pm

Thank to those who provided something constructive. Whether I think it's ethical or not is irrelevant. She feels they share a mutual sexual attraction and she wants to court him. I'm simply looking to give her advice regarding possible rituals she can perform, within her budget.

Thank you jwmcclin for providing me with possible solutions/links.I'll let her know.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:51 pm

The ethics of conjure is something that every practitioner must consider when helping others, when working for others, or when working for self or family. Conjure practice is just as open to discussions of ethics as any other field of human endeavour, and what seems irrelevant to you may not be so to others.

There are also laws to consider.

In some nations, adultery is punishable by death.

In the USA it is illegal for a doctor to have sex with a patient, and the doctor can lose his license if found guilty of this offense.

Adultery is also illegal in some states. According to Wikipedia, "penalties [for adultery] vary from life sentence (Michigan), to a fine of $10 (Maryland), to a Class I felony (Wisconsin)" and "in the U.S. Military, adultery is a potential court-martial offense."

It is not out of place for folks to mention these considerations, in my opinion.

Conjuremoon · Unread post by **Conjuremoon** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:18 pm

I am so glad to see Cat's response. I agree that it is important to look at ethical sides of a question. This is also why I believe it is important to do a divination on a subject. I always do before any work. It is important also that she get to the heart of the matter on why she is so attracted to this Doctor. And yes, lustful physical attractions do exist. But sometimes, people unknowingly have underlying subconscious desires that actually attract them to a certain person. If he is unavailable, it may be better for her to address underlying issues. Alternatively, it may be easier for her to make a list of what in him she is attracted to, and do an attraction and or Adam and Eve to attract a partner with the same attributes.

A client of mine once was attracted to a married man for years. She had an affair which ended with him remaining with the wife. Marriage is a pact with God, and may be harder to break than people realize.

I asked this lady why she was so attracted to a male who obviously wasn't hers. She said he was smart, funny, educated, loving. I told her to make a list of these attributes and do a work to attract a partner with these qualities.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:58 pm

I agree with Conjuremoon. I mean she may be getting herself in more trouble than what its worth.

If she wants to give it ago then go ahead. But I would be highly upset if I lost my license because a client wanted to sleep with me. And he could suffer public humiliation because in professional organization magazines they will publish the names of doctors or other professionals that have their license revoked and the reason.

Leopreponderance · Unread post by **Leopreponderance** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:48 am

I'm not performing any spellwork on her behalf (I don't do work for others). I'm simply passing along the information. I believe it is important to follow a certain code of ethics, when it comes to the craft in general, but I can't be accountable for what one feels is conscionable. The only thing I can do is warn of the possible repercussions and hope for the best.

Thanks again for all the replies...

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:37 am

Leopreponderance, i think i understand your viewpoint -- you are not doing the work for her, just passing the information along. That makes sense to me.

Conjuremoon, thanks for bringing up the matter of doing a divination before undertaking work of this type on behalf of a client. That's very good advice, and should be heeded by any of us who do work for others.

There is no single, unified across-the-board moral or ethical rule-set by which all conjure practitioners, amateur or professional, agree to abide. We have no "Wiccan rede," for instance. But most of us are Christians or Jews, and thus we find the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule to be valuable guidelines for moral conduct. The mention of these precepts, coming in the midst of what some assume to be a free-for-all forum filled with wild and crazy witches, may sit hard with some, but it is true to conjure's origins and to the role of the root doctor as a wise counsellor.

Yes, there are many so-called "Voodoo Kings and Queens" and "Dark Sorcerers" and "African Spell-Casters" and "Initiated Priests" and "High Mambos" and "Black Magic Wonder Workers" on the internet who claim to use "whatever it takes" to get their clients whatever they want, regardless of the legality or morality of the issue -- but in the African American community where rootwork flourishes, it is the wise and spiritual worker who is respected and whose services are sought, not the "fast gun for hire" who promises to break God's laws on behalf of every client struggling through a misguided moment of sexual passion, an untoward fit of monetary greed and covetousness, or a furious desire to kill.

Like Leopredonderance, i am willing to pass along many spell techniques that i personally would never use, either because they are beyond the pale of my ethical center or because they involve the use of toxic substances or the body parts of endangered species of animals or plants. I do this in my role as a teacher of the history of this practice. Spirit has told me that my role is to preserve the thing entire, the sweet with the sour, the kindly with the cruel, the good with the bad. But just because i can and do teach it all, that does not mean i will pass along a coercive or harmful spell technique to every client. Sometimes, Spirit says, "No."

I understand now that Leopreponderance was not intending to do this work for the friend, but only to suggest a means to do it -- but had i been the one consulted, my sense of propriety would have demanded that i slow down the client's headlong rush toward a dubious goal. I would have done -- as Conjuremoon suggested -- a divination on the work.

Now, Leopreponderance might rightly say, "My friend is NOT my client, and thus i have no obligation to perform a divination for her," and, strictly speaking, that would be the case. But as i teach in my Correspondence Cuurse, it is my personal belief that everyone you work for or assist in this work is essentially your client, even if no money changes hands and no spell-casting occurs per se.

Thus, if it were within my power and time constraints, i would first do a divination for my own role in the matter. Even something as simple as a coin flip, a bibliomantic look-up in the Bible, a one-card pull, or a swing of the pendulum would give me spirit guidance -- or i might use kinesthesiology to ascertain the best extent of my involvement in the situation. If i got the green light, then i would perform a short divination for the client (again, by the word "client" i also mean friend, relative, or even a passer-by in a forum such as this). If the signs showed no success, i would tell her. If the signs showed disaster, i would warn her. If the signs showed that a good time would be had by all, i would let her know that too. Then, and only then, would i give her the information she requested.

I think that what i am trying to say here is that we, as rootworkers, whether amateur or professional, have some responsibilities to ourselves, our tradition, our community, and our clients, and that it is not untoward to engage spiritual guidance in the work at all levels, even when answering a friend's simple question about how to seduce her married doctor.

keirith · Unread post by **keirith** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:06 pm

Gotta chime in here, just for a moment.
I don't believe that just because one is knowledgeable one has the obligation to pass that knowledge to others. The same caveat goes for aiding and abetting. If we are asked for knowledge we don't have, passing along the request to those who might know makes you just as responsible for directly providing that information to the requester.
If you were a chemist and your neighbor asked you for the name of a poison he could use to slip into his mother's food and kill her, would you consider your own ethical beliefs before giving him an answer? Would you say " I am not doing the poisoning, so therefore it is neither ethical or non ethical to provide factual information?" Or could you say "In his culture, perhaps his gods would approve the killing of his mother..and it is not for me to make that judgment call".

Knowledge is power, power is responsibility.

Folks, I see us all going down a slippery slope here. And perhaps this will not be a well liked response but I believe that we DO have some universal ethical principles: My favorite is "do unto others as you would have done unto you". That one has never failed me.

The only ethical thing, in my opinion is just to strongly encourage the friend who desires the married doctor to get a reading from a reputable rootworker (AIRR, or course!) with the request for guidance and clarity concerning the situation.

Done1 · Unread post by **Done1** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:56 am

I figured I needed to take a gamble and ask this question.

I had a very sexual, yet somewhat romantic affair with my daughters father the past few months, and during that course of time, just for fun he caused trouble between my daughter and I. He blamed me for him not being around, and has even gone between us and told us lies with he say she say nonsense. I mean he told me my daughter thought I had mental issues.

Just recently I made the comment that I wanted to go back and practice safe sex, and for no reason at all except for him telling me that I was accusing him of something: he ended our affair, told me I'm crazy, told me to leave him alone, and is now not speaking to our child.

I sooo want to curse him for everything he has caused, and for the hurt and pain he has not only caused me, but also for the grief he's caused my daughter.

So my question is... If you curse your child mother/father, can that Hex or Curse be passed down to their off-springs? I certainly dont want my daughter nor her siblings cursed!

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:19 am

DONE,

If your intention is not to pass it down to his off spring, then no...it will not be passed down.

To see if this is justified, you will need to get a reading done to see if actually cursing him is in the right or wrong.

But personally, I feel that he was simply a lover and not your significant other such as a boyfriend or a husband for a reason.I think you already knew this man was not a good man for you considering he was neither of the two. And I am sure this is not the first time he has thrown you under the bus. But you and him have sexual attraction towards each other which keeps you and him hanging on to each other. I am not sure why you didnt dump him after he was telling the lies between you and your daughter, and it seems he has never been there all the time for your daughter. It seems this need to want to curse has only come up because he has dumped you.

So with that said...good riddance to him. I would do a reversal on him, to reverse all the crap that he has done to you, and your daughter. And then you need to do a cut and clear so that you can move on from this man. Leave him alone already. And for your daughter, do a cleansing, and healing for her.

http://www.luckymojo.com/cutandclear.html
http://www.luckymojo.com/products-healing.html
http://www.luckymojo.com/reversing.html
http://www.luckymojo.com/products-reversing.html
http://www.luckymojo.com/uncrossing.html

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:32 pm

DONE,

Justification for this type of work comes with two important consideration: your ethical standards and the type of work you propose.

For example, would there be a conflict in your ethics if you decide to send this man to hell? Or would you feel within your rights if you reversed?

The way to understand this is by turning to God, or our higher power as that is the source of ethics. Therefore you can light a white candle, pray for guidance and go to bed. In the morning if you will have your answer. Either you'll get a go ahead, or you'll know that what you plan is unjustified.

If you'd like help with this process then starsinthesky already gave you the sage advice of seeking a reading.

acvegas · Unread post by **acvegas** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:45 pm

Are your "Court Case" herbs formulas (found here: http://www.luckymojo.com/courtcase.html) considered "Black" magic or "White" magic????

Thanks

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:17 pm

Dear acvegas,

When this question is asked, I refer people to cat's description found here (http://www.luckymojo.com/spells.html) also listed below...

White Magic spells are used to protect, bless, heal, and help yourself or those you care for. They can bless new ventures, help the mind and body, shield people and places from curses and hexes, turn back evil magic spells, reverse bad conditions, break jinxes, and help good dreams and wishes come true. White magic spells are all intended to be positive, uplifting, and gentle; they are never coercive.

Black Magic spells are used to bring about sickness and unnatural illness, break up love affairs, create crossed conditions, send enemies away, force people out of their jobs, wreak justified vengeance, destroy those who have laid tricks for you, attract wrathful spirits and demons to aid in hurting others, or curse and hex people to death. Black magic spells can be gentle or strong, suggestive or coercive; what makes them all black magic spells is that they have something to do with hurting, harming, goofering, jinxing, or hot footing enemies.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:37 pm

Seekinghelp123 ,

Why post a long screed here telling us you feel bad about doing a kind of work that is entirely optional and that you need not do?

1) Vinegar Jar and Reversing Spell

Just don't do it.

No one here is gonna try to talk you into it, that's for sure.

2) Honey Jar

Just don't do it.

No one here is gonna try to talk you into it, that's for sure.

3) Karma

Karma is a Hindu philosophical term for cause and effect that, due to Hindu belief in reincarnation, tends to refer to cause and effect in which the effect can take place over a series of reincarnations or multiple lifetimes.

Hindu religion is not a part of hoodoo, since hoodoo is primarily Protestant Christian.

I don't think you should practice magic. It's not a good fit for your personality, your philosophy, or your ethical stance.

Good luck.

There is really nowhere for this conversation to go. You said your bit and we've said ours.

buzzbabe · Unread post by **buzzbabe** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:11 pm

I have no problem doing dark work on persons who suffer antisocial personality disorders; some enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on others, and because of their disorder do not stop when they've taken things to a level where a normal person would stop because of their moral compose. I metioned on another thread about my problems with my current landlord, and if I had the money, I'd pay someone to do some seriously dark rootwork on him, it's the only way he'll leave me alone unless I move which i can't afford to do.

LaMarquise · Unread post by **LaMarquise** » Fri May 06, 2011 1:58 pm

When I first "came over" to African-descended belief systems, I had a rather tough time myself getting rid of all the "karma" and "threefold law" ideas that had become like little voices scolding me in my brain. Actually, "Wiccan Guilt" isn't too different from "Catholic Guilt," that oft made fun of phenominon wherein Catholics are constantly convinced something they're doing is wrong, somehow. It's really just a matter of letting your rational mind overcome your fearful side.

That, and getting readings, guidance and advice from people who know your magical system well.

Unread post by **michaeldavis** » Sun May 08, 2011 8:21 am

LaMarquise,

I agree.

You know, it is said that one of the modern uses of the "black mass" is to help shatter the chains of religious conditioning that may be preventing a person from doing what's necessary to grow. I'm not recommending this per se; though, I do think a lot of religious conditioning is put in place to stop magic from being practiced. Personally, I don't lay much stock in fear, guilt, and threefold payback. I have come across people who were protected / walled-off from workings, whether as a result of being inherently resistant to magic or protected by the divine.

Then again, if you can't work the person, you can work around the person. If you can't do that, most likely the obstacle is you.

Peace,

MD

LaMarquise · Unread post by **LaMarquise** » Mon May 09, 2011 9:53 am

There is indeed a LOT of cultural anti-magic conditioning. That being said, I enjoy practicing magic in the Protestant Christian framework of hoodoo. Whereas in Wicca there is this pervasive attitude of impending punishment if you step out of the religions' prescribed lines (VERY Catholic as well, I agree), in hoodoo they know that God will forgive you anything if you just ask for it. And that includes removing any "punishment" you may think you deserve.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Mon May 09, 2011 9:21 pm

Religion and magic are intimately tied together and the line between them is often rather blurred and fuzzy.

Unread post by **michaeldavis** » Fri May 13, 2011 12:04 pm

ConjureMan Ali wrote:Religion and magic are intimately tied together and the line between them is often rather blurred and fuzzy.

Agreed. It's when one seems to be at odds with the other that some deep thinking is required. It wouldn't hurt for some to ask whether they be better served by seeing a minister or priest of their religion and asking for intercession instead of engaging in magic.

Ellina · Unread post by **Ellina** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:46 pm

I have performed multiple spells, but they seem to result in the opposite of wHat I wanted. If it's a break up spell, they get married, a money stay with me, it doesn't, improve my relationships, I lose four, improve mother daughter relationship, she leaves me for a month, good luck spell, my car breaks down, revenge on two enemies, they do better than ever....what could be the reason? Have I been reversed or cursed? Ellina

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:45 pm

You may lack that ability needed to focus and direct the spiritual forces we call upon in our work, or may be facing severe crossed conditions. Seek out a reading.

In the meantime 13 herb bath and a regiment of cleansing and protection before anything else.

JadedKarma · Unread post by **JadedKarma** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:02 am

I am a strong believer in Karma.

I have found myself in a delima that I really need some advice on. I will give you a high level back ground so you fully understand my situation.

Three years ago, my life was in complete turnoil, I can't even beging to describe all of the horrible things that were happening to me. I strongly believed that I was hexed, crossed, and had a single person causing me the majority of this grief. I do not believe in doing any spell that would harm someone as Karma would bring it back to me. This is why I chose to perform an unhexing spell, uncrossing spell, and I performed a reversal spell. These spells worked, and my life has been wonderful.

However, now the target of my return to sender spell is having tremendous problems with her son.

I did not do a spell to purposely cause harm, only to reverse what she is sending/doing to me. Karma is still coming back on me for this.

Now my daughter is involved with her son, and the problems her son is facing is now impacting my daughter.

My question is this... Can you undo a reversal spell? If I do this, will all the negativity come back on me again. What is the best way to correct this situation so that there is no more negativity to that family nor mine? Greatly appreciate any guidance or advice that can be given.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:23 am

JadedKarma, please read cat's discussion on this topic (fund here) ethics,-%22black-magic,%22-karma,-moral ... 13051.html

...and to answer your question, scroll down this >>>>page http://www.luckymojo.com/uncrossing.html ...and read about reversible spells...

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:32 am

Dear JadedKarma,

"Karma" is a concept from Eastern religions. Hoodoo originated with African-American Christians.

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:07 pm

JadedKarma,

All religions, as well as most folk magic traditions, have ways to release and cleanse things. If you are born into a certain religion, use the method that your culture has provided. For example you can go to a priest to get a confession if you can´t let it go or you can take a Hyssop bath.

Belief in "home-style" karma can put you into more trouble than old fashion Christian "sin", so I suggest you either stick to the ideas incorporated in the folk magic tradition you are practicing or stay away from spell casting.

//Dr. Johannes