Deities, Angels, Spirits, Saints: Questions and Answers

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:42 am

Well, then go ahead and take a black candle and wipe your body down with it from head to toe, while concentrating on all the anger you've held being pulled off of you and absorbed into the candle. Once you've done that, take a big breath, and allow all the residual anger that still remain fill that breath, and then breathe that onto and into the candle. Carve your enemy's name in backwards mirror writing on the candle, butt the candle, and then set it working on top of a mirror that you've not looked into. Let your anger and negative energy alone be the dressing for that candle.

After that do a series of Cut and Clear baths. Since you've been holding onto this for a few years, you might want to do 7 or maybe even 13 days worth. For a really extra deep cleansing of this matter, use 13-Herb Bath each of those days as well. Take the baths at sunset, and take the water to the crossroads, throwing it to the departing sun in the West, and ask it to take all your anger and troubles and emotions connected to that person away from you.

If after that you still feel connected to the situation, you can do the entire Cut and Clear spell kit. If you want that person out of your life forever, then do the Black Walnut bath as part of that work.

Best of luck in moving on!

Done1 · Unread post by **Done1** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:01 am

Devi Spring wrote:Well, then go ahead and take a black candle and wipe your body down with it from head to toe, while concentrating on all the anger you've held being pulled off of you and absorbed into the candle. Once you've done that, take a big breath, and allow all the residual anger that still remain fill that breath, and then breathe that onto and into the candle. Carve your enemy's name in backwards mirror writing on the candle, butt the candle, and then set it working on top of a mirror that you've not looked into. Let your anger and negative energy alone be the dressing for that candle.

After that do a series of Cut and Clear baths. Since you've been holding onto this for a few years, you might want to do 7 or maybe even 13 days worth. For a really extra deep cleansing of this matter, use 13-Herb Bath each of those days as well. Take the baths at sunset, and take the water to the crossroads, throwing it to the departing sun in the West, and ask it to take all your anger and troubles and emotions connected to that person away from you.

If after that you still feel connected to the situation, you can do the entire Cut and Clear spell kit. If you want that person out of your life forever, then do the Black Walnut bath as part of that work.

Best of luck in moving on!

Ok thanks sooo much!!!

Born_Lucky · Unread post by **Born_Lucky** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:55 pm

Hi Lucky Forum !

So ive been wanting to know:

1)is there categories of diffrent spirits in hoodoo? not including saints and angels.
1a)Like nature spirits etc?

I know there isn't a list of spirits in hoodoo of the dead,
but:

2) How to know what unnamed dead spirit you are working with, if it is of evil intent to harm or good intent to heal or both? is there a method?

3)what is a proven and effective way to ward off evil dead spirits and attract good ones?
or if working with "evil" dead spirits,
3a) what is a good way to be protected?

4) Are there fetishes in hoodoo similar to kindoki(african witchcraft) fetishes, that house the dead or familliar spirits?

Im of african descent and have just started working with hoodoo herb and root magic and hoodoo
but have learned from my uncle about prendas and mulombes and dead spirits and how helpful than can be and how great the relationship can be.

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:44 pm

Historically, most conjure folks have been Christian, working with Jesus (and the saints, if they are Catholic) and their own ancestors. Some also call on the spirits of great conjure workers of the past, such as Marie Laveau, whose grave is a popular pilgrimage site. I work with Aunt Caroline Dye and am in the process of dedicating a chapel to her.

Others -- Catholics, mostly, though this practice is spreading into the wider culture -- call on folk saints such as Jesus Malverde, Dr. Jose Gregorio Hernandez, and Maximon. Some of these folk saints have their own preferred offerings and traditions of work; others don't. I work with Dr. Hernandez, for instance, though I'm not Catholic, and know of no particular traditions for working with him beyond donations to medical charities when your desire is achieved.

Some, like myself, also call on the spirits of great justice workers of the past -- secular saints, if you will; people who, like the saints of the Catholic church, proved themselves to be compassionate, good and honorable people in life. This is why I work with Bayard Rustin, and also have pictures of Dr. Martin Luther King and Rev. Howard Thurman on my altar.

When we go to the graveyard, if we feel called to the grave of someone not related to us, we assess the spirit's intentions the same way we would anything else -- by the promptings of the spirit, by prayer, and by signs in the material world. Here are some material signs I have found in the graveyard:

Pictures of a married couple, based on photos taken late in their lives, carved into their tombstone; both of them smiling and facing each other.
A grave under a pine tree that was shaped exactly like conventional pictures of Christmas trees; her tombstone contained the phrase "let's take the long way home," which I thought showed an adventurous spirit.
A grave whose headstone consisted of a blacksmith's anvil, and whose surname was "Manley." Looks like a great choice for spiritual power. A very interesting prospect for spiritual work, especially about growing in power. I have not investigated this one yet.

In the Hoodoo Rootwork Correspondence Course, there are no fewer than seven lessons on working with spirits, with the dead, and in the graveyard (see http://www.luckymojo.com/curriculum.html. You might want to widen your knowledge (and resolve any uncertainties) by taking this course.

Hope this helps,

Miss Michaele

autumnalflower · Unread post by **autumnalflower** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:34 pm

That helped me Miss Michaele as far as signs in a graveyard go, I hadn't thought to look at it that way, thanks!

roguedeer · Unread post by **roguedeer** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:55 am

I've been wanting to make one to keep on my altar, to make offerings to and speak to before I petition La Sirene. In my perusing of pictures of altars, I've noticed others doing this - that gave me the idea. I have lots of black and red cloth to make his clothing. I wonder if there are traditions associated with the stuffing I should use? I was also curious what oil I should fix it with, if there are certain prayers to recite, etc? I have searched for information elsewhere, but haven't found much.

I was thinking of using Spirit Guide oil to dress him with.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:41 am

This forum is Lucky Mojo products forum and mainly concerns Hoodoo, not Voodoo. Hoodoo is African-American folk magic, practiced mainly by Christians.

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:21 am

Yes, you'd have better luck asking this question in a forum devoted to African and Afro-Caribbean traditional religions.

Although most vodouissants begin and end their services with Christian prayers, I'm told.

Miss Michaele

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:27 am

I'm merging this Papa Legba thread into the "Working with Deities, Angels, Spirits, Saints: Techniques" thread...

Most hoodoo practitioners are Christian, and, like other Christians, they can be found in several denominations.

Many practitioners of Voodoo are also nominal Catholics, and we do find a small number of Catholics in the USA who practice hoodoo (but not Voodoo).

Catholic hoodoo practitioners are only the majority denomination wherever Catholics dominate in a region -- for instance, in Maryland and Louiisiana. In other areas of the country, you will find more Protestant Christian hoodoo workers, mostly in the Baptist, AME, Pentacostal, Holiness, and Spiritualist churches.

No church ever endorses hoodoo 100%, due to the possibility of using the work to harm folks, but i number among my customers and clients many pastors, deacons, and floor members of Christian churches. To the best of my knowledge, the only African American Christian denomination that truly condemns hoodoo is COGIC.

If you ever take my one-year course in hoodoo, you will find that here is an entire lesson on African American religious denominations and their relationship to hoodoo, so that's enough for now on that subject.

Catholic hoodoo workers (and non-Catholics who like to work with the saints as spirits) also employ hoodoo supplies named after saints. They can be employed any way that regular hoodoo condition oils are used, but their primary use is to dress candles, especially those 7-day vigil candles with the saints' pictures on them. There are also sachet powders, incense, bath crystals, floor wash, and soaps for the more popular saints.

Each Catholic saint has his or her own special colours, saint-day, and intercessory or novena prayers, and each one is believed to intercede for petitions in one or more areas of life. Saint Jude, the one you mentioned, is the patron saint of "lost causes" -- thus he is often called upon by those who have a terminal illness or he is petitioned on behalf of those who have given up hope of recovery from addictions. One of my favourite patron saints is Saint Expedite, the patron of those who procrastinate.

I have written a list of the major saints and the conditions for which they are petitioned and it is online at

http://www.luckymojo.com/patronsaints.html

From there you will also find links to web pages for saints whom i have given their own illustrated write-ups, including Saints Expedite, Christopher, Anthony, Simon-Peter, Martin of Tours, and so forth. Eventually i intend to add at least 50 more saint pages to my site, as time allows.

By the way, we carry Catholic holy cards, chromos, and small statues in the Lucky Mojo shop and we also manufacture a long line of saint oils, powders, incense, and bath salts. The most popular are St. Michael (for protection and the patron of policemen), Saint Jude, Saint Expedite, the Guardian Angel, the Virgin of Guadelupe, and Saint Martha the Dominator.

You can find all of the saint-related products for sale at Lucky Mojo by going to the complete Lucky Mojo inventory page and using the "find" function of your browser with the word "saint." It's online at

http://www.luckymojo.com/lucky-mojo-inventory.html

Good luck.

Done1 · Unread post by **Done1** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:48 am

I have a question...I once used a red glass candle to petition Saint Expedite and then put it out and bought a new one. The candle is already filled with Van Van (the first candle), so I'm wondering can I re-use that candle in a new petition or should I just completely buy a new one? I certainly don't want to anger this generous saint1

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:45 am

You'll need to start with a new candle for a new petition.

Done1 · Unread post by **Done1** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:58 pm

Devi Spring wrote:You'll need to start with a new candle for a new petition.

Ok thats what I figured, so I already bought a new one. Thanks

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:40 pm

No, there isn't a division of spirits or categories. Usually named spirits of the dead and the natural spirits of the herbs and roots are what conjure doctors call upon--all in the name of Jesus.

The efficacy of conjure comes directly from Spirit with a capital "S." Some individual workers may work with a host of different spirits and beings, but in traditional conjure I was taught to call upon "God, the Devil, the Dead, and Spirit of the Earth" the latter being your roots and herbs.

However Miss Michaele has answered this question wonderfully.

As to fetishes, they did indeed exist at one point. Spirit bottles were used to sometimes house specific spirits of the dead by collecting graveyard dirt and keeping in the bottle. Similarly bones were gathered from someone who then would act as a sort of familiar. One of the most famous spells involves using the bones of a dead person to help dominate other people.

However the use of spirit dolls and spirit houses is not as common anymore due to the fact that these objects were often associated with a priestly class in Africa. African Priests would make Spirit Pots, Ngangas, and other similar objects. With the adoption of Christianity the priests were absorbed by the Deacon, Bishop, Reverend, and Spiritual Elder, but without the trappings of the older African religion people simply weren't making those magical objects anymore.

That said, I met a few old timey root doctors that still had their spirit dolls and houses that contained specific spirits within. Some anthropologists remark that the mojo hand is actually the child of the lucky charm/talisman and the spirit containers as the mojo hand, in addition to be talismanic, also houses the spirit of the herbs and roots who then work on your behalf. Another great example is the Jack Ball.

Born_Lucky · Unread post by **Born_Lucky** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:53 am

MissMichaele wrote:Historically, most conjure folks have been Christian, working with Jesus (and the saints, if they are Catholic) and their own ancestors. Some also call on the spirits of great conjure workers of the past, such as Marie Laveau, whose grave is a popular pilgrimage site. I work with Aunt Caroline Dye and am in the process of dedicating a chapel to her.

Others -- Catholics, mostly, though this practice is spreading into the wider culture -- call on folk saints such as Jesus Malverde, Dr. Jose Gregorio Hernandez, and Maximon. Some of these folk saints have their own preferred offerings and traditions of work; others don't. I work with Dr. Hernandez, for instance, though I'm not Catholic, and know of no particular traditions for working with him beyond donations to medical charities when your desire is achieved.

Some, like myself, also call on the spirits of great justice workers of the past -- secular saints, if you will; people who, like the saints of the Catholic church, proved themselves to be compassionate, good and honorable people in life. This is why I work with Bayard Rustin, and also have pictures of Dr. Martin Luther King and Rev. Howard Thurman on my altar.

When we go to the graveyard, if we feel called to the grave of someone not related to us, we assess the spirit's intentions the same way we would anything else -- by the promptings of the spirit, by prayer, and by signs in the material world. Here are some material signs I have found in the graveyard:

Pictures of a married couple, based on photos taken late in their lives, carved into their tombstone; both of them smiling and facing each other.

A grave under a pine tree that was shaped exactly like conventional pictures of Christmas trees; her tombstone contained the phrase "let's take the long way home," which I thought showed an adventurous spirit.

A grave whose headstone consisted of a blacksmith's anvil, and whose surname was "Manley." Looks like a great choice for spiritual power. A very interesting prospect for spiritual work, especially about growing in power. I have not investigated this one yet.
In the Hoodoo Rootwork Correspondence Course, there are no fewer than seven lessons on working with spirits, with the dead, and in the graveyard (see http://www.luckymojo.com/curriculum.html. You might want to widen your knowledge (and resolve any uncertainties) by taking this course.

Hope this helps,

Miss Michaele

Thank you that was very helpful, i guess i should have posted my original thread here; i didn't realize how much had already been discussed.
good move.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:12 pm

Thank you to Conjureman Ali and to Miss Michaele for furthering the information in this thread and sharing valuable information with us all. These are words to be read and understood!

roguedeer · Unread post by **roguedeer** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:18 pm

Hello all -

I'm getting ready to do some Crown of Success work related to my school and career work. I'm studying to become a forester/park ranger. I was thinking of perhaps petitioning St. Thomas Aquinas (patron saint of students) and St. John Gualbert (patron saint of foresters and the park service) in tandem with the candle work. I'm having trouble finding information about traditional offerings, days of the week, colors, etc. associated with these saints - can anyone here help?

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:32 am

St. John Gualbert (San Giovanni Gualberto) is an wonderful Saint to work with for your needs. I can't find anything in the few books I have, nor on-line about the things you seek for him though. As for an offering, I would plant a tree in his name. I believe he would like this very much.

For St. Thomas Aquinas I would donate some books to your local school or library.Or make a cash donation to a church or school. His Feast Day is January 28th. Remember him then.

Good luck to you, I have a very soft spot for the vocation you have chosen to go into. Let us know any more information that you find.

roguedeer · Unread post by **roguedeer** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:25 pm

Thank you! What kind sentiments. The idea of donating books is a great one, as is the tree planting idea.

I wonder what colors and days of the week might be associated with these saints? Where do these traditions (color associations and days of the week) come from? I know this is potentially a question with a huge and complex answer, but any pointing in the right direction is appreciated.

I have gotten the impression that these two saints are not typically petitioned in hoodoo; maybe there are other, more traditional options I should pursue?

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:46 pm

Some Saints don't have traditional days of the week or colors associated with them. There are simply too many saints! If I am wrong then I hope I am corrected and show where the information can be found. I looked through the three books I own and did a quick on-line search, but to no avail regarding colors and days of the week. I say just go for it. Use white as a color and disregard days of the week. These two saints will not be angry.

Also, I love your avatar as Drudkh are one of my favorite bands currently making music. I have 7 of their albums. Very nice job.

Done1 · Unread post by **Done1** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:28 pm

Joseph Magnuson wrote:Some Saints don't have traditional days of the week or colors associated with them. There are simply too many saints! If I am wrong then I hope I am corrected and show where the information can be found. I looked through the three books I own and did a quick on-line search, but to no avail regarding colors and days of the week. I say just go for it. Use white as a color and disregard days of the week. These two saints will not be angry.

Also, I love your avatar as Drudkh are one of my favorite bands currently making music. I have 7 of their albums. Very nice job.

Hey..Look for a book called "THE MAGICAL POWER OF THE SAINTS : EVOCATION AND CANDLE RITUALS" by Ray T Malbrough. That book is pretty detailed on the male and female saints along with their favorite colors and days of the week. Hope this helps

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:41 pm

I was actually looking at my new revised Dictionary of the Saints and 300 Heavenly Allies books. But you're right n the Malbrough book it does actually list Saint Thomas Aquinas' Day of the Week as being Monday, and his candle color to be white. It however has no mention at all of Saint John Gaulbert. Thank you, Willa. I had completely overlooked the one book that had a scrap of info on candle color and day of the week! Hope that helps roguedeer!

roguedeer · Unread post by **roguedeer** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:00 am

Thanks much! That is very helpful.

Done1 · Unread post by **Done1** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:25 am

Joseph Magnuson wrote:I was actually looking at my new revised Dictionary of the Saints and 300 Heavenly Allies books. But you're right n the Malbrough book it does actually list Saint Thomas Aquinas' Day of the Week as being Monday, and his candle color to be white. It however has no mention at all of Saint John Gaulbert. Thank you, Willa. I had completely overlooked the one book that had a scrap of info on candle color and day of the week! Hope that helps roguedeer!

No problem! If I find any more books or info I'll be sure to either list them here or pm you and Roguedeer on it

.

mrslight · Unread post by **mrslight** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:50 am

I put together my honey jar and when I put the candle on it and lit it, a friend and I concentrated on it with our eyes closed (meditated) to send the energy out to my boyfriend. We both had similar visions...... In the beginning we both saw something trying to take the jar to him but they struggled as if it were too heavy.

Afterwards please read this and tell me WHAT HAPPENED!

Her vision during meditation:

2 Brownish and bluish transperant human shapped beings kept whispering to eachother and looking at the jar. Then they both picked it up and flew it to my boyfriend and poured it over him and swirled around his bed, encircling it in light. She saw my boyfriend smiling and with his arm around me, then she was back in the room seeing the beings again. They were coiled but transpearant like a transparent snake with a flat face that looked like a fan (swirling face as if you are looking through a mirror). She said "youre back" (but in her mind)..It replied yes it isnt finished we have to talk to her and came over to me and was in front of my face while its body encircled me. When it was done she opened her eyes.

My vision during meditation:

A brown bird (huge bird) tried to fly away with the jar in its talon and it was too heavy so it flew away. Then I was in the jar looking at a hand on the jar from the inside. Then I was back outside of the jar and I saw the blue swirly thing take it and fly through the sky fast with it and then i suddenly saw my bf playing basketball and he was calling me and smiling. Then I was back in the room, suddenly the top turned into a heart and started flying through my wall like ninja stars. They flew to his chest while he was playing ball. It was sticking out of his chest where his heart was and I was suddenly with him and hugged and the heart went all the way in his chest. Then I was back in the room again. The swirly thing was going past my friend and hovered face to face with me and it asked me "Are you sure you want his love?" I said yes it asked me 2 more questions (cant remember) then I said yes to both. It went out of view then appeared in front of my face again and it was faceless all that was there for his face was a swirl and it began to pull light from my face and then I saw my boyfriends face behind it and he hovered the light in front of his face and he inhaled and it went in. Then I opened my eyes.

We were both wondering why that thing approached me? And its weird we both saw the same thing from different angles...... What were these things? I feel bad to call them things...

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:49 am

Well, obviously you have some spirit helpers interested in and involved in the work. Do some divination -- whatever method allows you to find the truth -- to better understand their message.

Since you saw your spirit helpers having trouble with the work, you might want to add some Road Opener or Van Van Van elements to the work -- a candle next to the honey jar, maybe.

Van Van Spells and Supplies
www.luckymojo.com/vanvan.html
Road Opener Spells and Supplies
http://www.luckymojo.com/roadopener.html

Hope this helps,

Miss Michaele

mrslight · Unread post by **mrslight** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:57 am

MissMichaele wrote:Well, obviously you have some spirit helpers interested in and involved in the work. Do some divination -- whatever method allows you to find the truth -- to better understand their message.

Since you saw your spirit helpers having trouble with the work, you might want to add some Road Opener or Van Van Van elements to the work -- a candle next to the honey jar, maybe.

Van Van Spells and Supplies
www.luckymojo.com/vanvan.html

Road Opener Spells and Supplies
http://www.luckymojo.com/roadopener.html
Hope this helps,

Miss Michaele

Thank you so much. I was wondering why it asked me was I sure I wanted my boyfriends love? It seemed as though my answer depended on whether my "helper" would make it work,,when I said yes, he immediatly brought my boyfriend to me! My boyfriend was in bed asleep and that's how he brought him..... asleep...wow so thats what they were....I am amazed! I didnt even invoke anything

Yea I will do what you suggested its like they gave up on the jar and just went straight for him in the end. Taking something from me and putting it into him. I dont know what they took from me, but as soon as I answered my "helpers" questions, it took something from my eyes, nose and mouth and put it into my boyfriends nostrils which then went through him when he inhaled. it just looked like light to me but Im sure you are better familiar with these things than I am

simplydevine · Unread post by **simplydevine** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:36 am

do you have to light more than one candle? I'm planning to petition both St.Joseph and St. Expedite for assistance with finding a job. I have a job honey jar filled with LM herbs, oils and my petition. Do I need to pray to them one at a time, lighting a candle for each prayer, OR can I petition them together and light one candle?

Thank you!!!

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:01 pm

If you invite your future mother & father in law for dinner to tell them that you want to marry their daughter would you serve them only one sausage on a single plate? Or investors when the dinner topic will be funding your new project? You could. But they might prefer it to be a traditional meal fullfilling the expectations of such an occasion.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:05 pm

Very good way of putting it Dr. Johannes. I agree...the least you can do is give each Saint their own light. I have not (nor do I want to start now) petitioned multiple Saints, etc. with the same candle. Go the extra bit and light multiple candles.

simplydevine · Unread post by **simplydevine** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:43 am

Thank you both for your responses. And Dr. Johannes, I like your analogy of the dinner plates. LOL!

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:49 am

In Catherine Yronwode's book "Hoodoo Herb And Root Magic", she said to use a black candle annointed with Black Arts Oil, burn it. Use a glass of water and dissolve with Black Salt. Burn a large amount of Frankincense mixed with Black Arts Incenses. Then call the spirit into the water, it will stay there and you can ask questions. But my problems are:

1> I can't use fire at all in my house, can I just use an electric oil diffuser, put a metal cup of water, put frankincense and black art oil into, then diffuse it into the air. Would it work the same way as Catherine wrote it in her book ?

2> I can't find Black Salt. Can I do this magick without it ?

3> Do I have to use Black Art Incenses ? because basically it has the same ingredients as Black Art Oil, and I put the oil into the metal cup of water.

4> Why use Black Art Oil in this case ? because I am going to call in my spirit guide, angels, or spirit guides and angels of other people. Can I also call in the spirit of a living person ?

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:42 pm

1. No, it's not the same effect. Smoke actually aids spirit manifestation.

2. http://www.herb-magic.com/black-witches-salt.html

3. See #1

4. If you're calling on angelics, then Black Arts is not an appropriate mixture for this. It is for more cthonic-type spirits, or spirits of a more neutral-to-dark nature. You could use Abramelin, Spirit Guide, All Saints, Guardian Angel, or just mix the resins Frankincense & Myrrh.

This particular spell may not be overly useful to you if you cannot use smoke and you do not already have familiarity with the practice of scrying (as perceiving the spirit in the water and communicating with it through that medium is a type of scrying).

I would suggest that if you wish to start practicing spirit evocation, you book a session with an AIRR worker for a bit of magical coaching on a method that would suit your ritual limitations and natural gifts.

Best of luck.

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:59 pm

The solution to the main question is:
You do not have to do this specific kind of summoning at all. It is especially unwise if you have problems with it, as you mention.
There are many other ways of summoning. Try them.

Regarding your minor issues;
1. No.
2. No. You can find Black Salt here; http://www.herb-magic.com/epsom-salt-grey.html
3. Yes.
4. Because it is a formula also used in summoning.

If you want to call in your spirit guide, angels or the spirit guide and angels of others I suggest you try the "Spirit Guide" or "Guardian Angel" products.

Yes, you can call the many different spirits of a living person. But until you have shown enough continous gratitude, love and appriciation to your guardian angel and paid attention to its guidiance, you might consider it unwise to call the spirit of others. Remember that just because you can do something, it does not mean that it is a good idea to do it.

Unread post by **aura** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:25 am

Hi sun369,

in your post you don't specify how familiar you are with this kind of work. If you've never done it before, please get a magickal coaching session from one of the AIRR members before you go a-summoning. You don't want to call up something that you can't put down. The reason I mention it is because you ask if you can use a given spell by re-writing it to fit your needs, ignoring some of the standards of invocation work from pretty much any tradition which uses it. Perhaps getting one of the AIRR worker gifted in spirit-contact and mediumship can help you to get the best from your efforts and avoid any pot-holes on the road. You can look through the following links to find one versed in these areas:
http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/wi ... pirit_Work
http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/wi ... Mediumship

Blessings and best of luck.

candlemagician · Unread post by **candlemagician** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:05 am

aura is totally correct in this in my opinion. Not to mention that you have not stated, or may not know if the person you want to work on might be "protected" in some way, has knowledge, or practices themselves, or even has someone doing work for them. I would hate to have this backfire on you and you end up worse off.

A good reader will make sure on these things, make sure you are protected and advise you correctly how to proceed.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:43 am

Devi Spring

I don't think Lucky Mojo sells anything for Spirit Guide.

Ok, let me clarify that I can't have any SMOKED smells in my house, but can I use a pottery warm oil diffuser, and put a tea light candle on the bottom, on top, put a cup of water with Myrrh and Frankinsence in it, would it work too ?

is there really a difference between a candle pottery warm oil diffuser and an electric oil diffuser ?

About scrying, I don't really do it, but I am very clairvoyant. I can easily see images in my third eyes.

I am not new to mediumship. I just have a lot of hard time interpreting the messages from my spirit guides and angels, who I call on a lot. I think all spirit guides and angels are at the high elevated vibration. So, it's no risk to call on them.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:06 pm

Yes, Lucky Mojo does sell a Spirit Guide line of condition products.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:15 pm

This isn't an issue of a pottery diffuser vs electric diffuser, this is an issue of oil diffusion NOT being an appropriate substitute for burning incense with all the resultant smoke in this context.

As I stated above the physical smoke is a medium which aids spirits in manifesting onto the physical in this particular rite.

Also putting resins into water and then putting that water into a diffuser will not work. You'd need to use essential oils of those resints. But again, this is not a context where diffused oil will suffice. You NEED smoke for this rite.

This rite is really designed for more cthonic spirits, not really angelics and such. While you can certainly still use it for angelics by switching out to appropriate condition products (Spirit Guide instead of Black Arts, and holy water instead of Black Salted water, for instance), you're much better off just finding a different rite of communication that doesn't require things like smoke which you cannot use in your circumstances.

We're not saying you're out of luck for communicating with your spirit guides and angels, we're just saying this particular rite is not going to be useful to you since you can't have smoke.

As we've all suggested, getting a short session of magical coaching will help indentify a method of communication which will work well for you and your circumstances.

Since you have a level of clairvoyance already,and you are looking to communicate with angels and your spirit guides why not just work with some Spirit Guide oil on yourself and a candle, and then pray asking them to come and communicate with you? Try some dowsing with a pendulum to make initial direct contact and then ask what other ways they are willing to come through for you in the future.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:43 pm

please give me a link to their Spirit Guide products; for some reasons, I can't find them.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:48 pm

Devi Spring

I am having a financial issue right now. I have an intuitive feeling that not to spending money on psychics or any types of readers. I can just do research on my own, and asking questions on this forum is one source.

Unread post by **aura** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:53 pm

http://www.luckymojo.com/products-spirit-guide.html
http://www.luckymojo.com/products-india ... guide.html

Spirit Guide Oil

Use in Magic:
Spirit Guide is a spiritual concoction that enncourages the coming-forth of helpful, beneficent spirits.

Spell Methods:
Use oils to fix candles, prepare magical amulets, anoint the body and hair, add to bath water and floor wash, and dress furniture and rooms, according to folk magic spell lore.

Product Details:
Hand-made, faith-based, perfumed hoodoo dressing oil with herbs and roots included, in a 1/2 oz. glass bottle with a colourful label.

OIL-HOO-SPIR
Spirit Guide Oil
$10.00

You can order right here in the Forum by clicking on the blue Add To Cart button.

For more information, see:
http://www.luckymojo.com/spiritguide.html

and also

Indian Spirit Guide Oil

Use in Magic:
Use Indian Spirit Guide to call upon Blackhawk or other Native ancestor spirits.

Spell Methods:
Use oils to fix candles, prepare magical amulets, anoint the body and hair, add to bath water and floor wash, and dress furniture and rooms, according to folk magic spell lore.

Product Details:
Hand-made, faith-based, perfumed hoodoo dressing oil with herbs and roots included, in a 1/2 oz. glass bottle with a colourful label.

OIL-HOO-INDI
Indian Spirit Guide Oil
$10.00

You can order right here in the Forum by clicking on the blue Add To Cart button.

For more information, see:
http://www.luckymojo.com/indianspiritguide.html

Blessings and best of luck.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:19 pm

aura

oh no, i am not offended.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:45 am

Hello Sun369,

I am sorry to hear about your financial situation and can understand you trying to save money.

That said, approaching a tradition with a specific technique with the mindset of looking for subsitutions is not going to do you any good. While there is always room for intelligent substitutions, this should only be done when one has a full grasp of the tradition, understands its principles, and has the skills necessary to do so.

You are asking about a specific spell that Miss cat published in her book, but are unable to perform certain aspects of that spell. If you cannot perform them then you must look for an alternative spell that will better fit your working conditions. This would be more advantageous than trying to change the spell itself, especially since the alterations you've indicated would greatly impact the working.

To answer your questions:
1. No. A diffuser is about filling a room with a scent, incense has a spiritual quality that is unique. It is used on a variety of traditions to send up prayers, to influence people from a distance, for spirit-work, as offerings, and its smoke can be used in some traditions to help manifest an entity. This is not the same as an oil diffuser.
2. Lucky Mojo does sell black salt under the Herb, and Mineral section down at the bottom. If the spell calls for it then do not do without it.
3. Refer to number one. It is more than just the ingredients--it is the spiritual quality of the incense intself. The oil would not do in this instance.
4. I have found that Black Arts products work great for summoning spirits of a chthonic nature which include the dead. For angels you may try 711 Holy Oil, Abramelin Oil, or Spirit Guide Oil.

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:25 pm

I just want to chime in to say that ConjureMan Ali, Dr.Johannes and Devi Spring are spot on when they say that Black Arts oil is not what you want to use for conjuring up angels or the like. As someone who has worked extensively with Black Arts products I can say with out hesitiation that it is not what you want. Abramelin oil or 7-11 Holy Oil would both do great, and if you are calling on one of the Planetary angels then look to LuckyMojo's wonderful line of Planetary and Zodiac products.

On a different note if you want to call up spirits with out incense try using a black mirror or scrying stone. Tho incense smoke is helpful when using them, gazing into them by the light of only an appropriately dressed candle has yielded results, for me at least.

I do hope that helps.

kyanite · Unread post by **kyanite** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:54 pm

Hi, I was told that I needed to do blessing and healing work and to petition Dr Hernandez for health and Saint Dymphna for my mental health state. I was wondering if I could also petition St Jude also even though I have petitioned him numerous times in the past for help with my finances? I also would like to know wouldn't St Lazarus be able to help me as well? Can I set up an altar for all four to help or is it best to petition just one at a time? I feel very desperate all of a sudden and wanted help from all saint and dieties available to help in my situation.I know its a lot of repayments that I may have to do but I am ready. Thank you

Unread post by **Mary Bee** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:30 pm

I have found St. Jude to help with any "desperate cause", so petitioning him for health matters is not unheard of.

Talk to these saints. Ask each of them if they'd want to share an altar with each other. Some spirits/saints want their own space, some are comfortable sharing. You may with to ask Dr. Hernandez for help with your physical healing, St. Dymphna for healing your mental health, and St. Jude to help you in general. If something ends up feeling wrong in terms of working with one of these saints, try something else.

I know that desperation and feeling ill is hard, and it can be difficult to focus during such a time, but pray from your heart and listen to what these saints have to say. You will learn the best way to work with them.

Good luck,
Mary Bee

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:01 pm

Yes, agreed great advice MaryBee:

http://www.luckymojo.com/drhernandez.html
http://www.luckymojo.com/saintjude.html
http://readersandrootworkers.org/index. ... el_Raphael

Good luck!

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:53 pm

Other healers are Jesus, Mother Mary, and St. Peter. St. Peter was so powerful that it is reported in the book of Acts that even his shadow could heal.

kyanite · Unread post by **kyanite** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:56 pm

Wow such awesome information. I thought St Peter was only for opening doors but I learn such awesome new things on this site through wise people. Thank you,I am asking the saints and waiting on my answers,although I know I dont think I have to wait on an answer from Jesus. Thank you and blessings to all of who are sharing their advice!

TheBestest · Unread post by **TheBestest** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:30 am

Hello, I am still fairly new to working with Saints so please bear with me on this topic. I have two medical insurances that are for my kid. The one I have always used is thru medicaid and has always been very good for her. Recently I spoke to her doctor and he told me that the insurance company stopped paying because they are now her Secondary insurance. I called the company (insurance) and they told me that her father has her under an insurance and his superceed's her insurance, BUT his insurance is HORRIBLE! I was not notified about any of this and its really getting under my skin. I then called his insurance and they told me they can not relinquish any info to me because the insurance is covered by her father. I then gave him a call to ask him to call the insurance to remove her or atleast to get her member I.D. number but he refused. Due to her having asthma extremely badly I always need to have medicine so when I went into a crying fit, he still didn't budge nor care. I even said "Do you realize that this is your CHILD?! What if she end up in the hospital?!" His answer to that was "Well if she ends up in the hospital, she ends up in the hospital!!! WTF!!!" I don't think I need to explain the rage that entered me at that point, so I just quickly hung up the phone. Though I want to seriously harm him, my main focus is to get rid of this stupid insurance problem so that her now secondary insurance can go back to being her primary. Please any suggestions to Saints or spells would help greatly. Thank you.

mWn_2 · Unread post by **mWn_2** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:05 am

Anybody can tell me techniques and examples how to trade with spirits?

for example method how to conjure spirit into earthen bottle and trade with him?

Any feedback will be helpful, thanks.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:58 am

St. Nicholas is the protector and benefactor of children. He is a generous and kind saint and this is his time of year, although he is often disguised as Santa Claus. Ask him for help.

You can also work with Compelling products to get your daughter's father to do the right thing for her.

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:52 am

I always use Court Case Products when dealing with insurance companies.
Brown candle dressed with the oil and the logo of the company along any names you can get in the department in question.

For the man you could either go with Honey Jars and ask St. Mary to open him up to your suggestion or you can take the harsh route and go with dolls and Commanding/Compelling products.

A third way would be to use a "stick and carrot" method.

Use a black candle and name that his current desicion and standpoint regarding the insurance. Anoint it with Crossing Oil. And place a Black Santissima Muerte candle beside it, petitioning her to nag your husband’s mind until he changes it. Place a photo of your husband in the middle and some personal concerns.
On the other side you place a yellow candle and name it your standpoint and decision regarding the insurance. Put a picture of yourself and a paper with your desire regarding the insurance under it. Dress it with Attraction Oil and Come To Me Oil. Pour a little honey trace from this candle to his picture in the middle.
Next to your picture you set a white candle offered to St. Mary, dressed with Our Lady of Grace Oil. Petition her to open your husband’s mind for the sake of your daughter.

Do the spell at night, when your husband is asleep, like this
Move your husband’s picture all the way over to the black candles. Light them. Say a prayer aloud like: "This is where you are now. May this position haunt you day and night and may the most holy Santissima Muerte help me". You may prick his picture with nails and pins so you can let out some of that rage you got. Put out the candles. Repeat this part for three days. On the third day you light the yellow and the white candle as well. Start moving the photo a bit towards the the yellow while you pray something like: "N.N, now you feel that your current decision regarding the insurance of NN is tormenting you. Is it not nicer to go this way? (move the picture a bit towards the white ones). Remove one or two pins. Snip out the black candles. Let the white and yellow burn a bit longer, then snip the as well. Repeat the procedure for three days, every day moving his picture closer to yours and removing any pins or nails. On the sixth day you let the black candles burn out completely while you make sure his photo has arrived at yours and sits under the yellow candle. On the seventh day you let the yellow and white candle burn out completely. Then wrap up the remains. Thank Santissima Muerte and St. Mary for helping you. Dispose of any remains outside his house or at the crossroads.
Good Luck.

TheBestest · Unread post by **TheBestest** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:17 am

Mama Micki wrote:St. Nicholas is the protector and benefactor of children. He is a generous and kind saint and this is his time of year, although he is often disguised as Santa Claus. Ask him for help.

You can also work with Compelling products to get your daughter's father to do the right thing for her.

That sounds great! Does luckymojo carry Saint Nicholas products??

TheBestest · Unread post by **TheBestest** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:21 am

Dr Johannes wrote:I always use Court Case Products when dealing with insurance companies.
Brown candle dressed with the oil and the logo of the company along any names you can get in the department in question.

For the man you could either go with Honey Jars and ask St. Mary to open him up to your suggestion or you can take the harsh route and go with dolls and Commanding/Compelling products.

A third way would be to use a "stick and carrot" method.

Use a black candle and name that his current desicion and standpoint regarding the insurance. Anoint it with Crossing Oil. And place a Black Santissima Muerte candle beside it, petitioning her to nag your husband’s mind until he changes it. Place a photo of your husband in the middle and some personal concerns.
On the other side you place a yellow candle and name it your standpoint and decision regarding the insurance. Put a picture of yourself and a paper with your desire regarding the insurance under it. Dress it with Attraction Oil and Come To Me Oil. Pour a little honey trace from this candle to his picture in the middle.
Next to your picture you set a white candle offered to St. Mary, dressed with Our Lady of Grace Oil. Petition her to open your husband’s mind for the sake of your daughter.

Do the spell at night, when your husband is asleep, like this
Move your husband’s picture all the way over to the black candles. Light them. Say a prayer aloud like: "This is where you are now. May this position haunt you day and night and may the most holy Santissima Muerte help me". You may prick his picture with nails and pins so you can let out some of that rage you got. Put out the candles. Repeat this part for three days. On the third day you light the yellow and the white candle as well. Start moving the photo a bit towards the the yellow while you pray something like: "N.N, now you feel that your current decision regarding the insurance of NN is tormenting you. Is it not nicer to go this way? (move the picture a bit towards the white ones). Remove one or two pins. Snip out the black candles. Let the white and yellow burn a bit longer, then snip the as well. Repeat the procedure for three days, every day moving his picture closer to yours and removing any pins or nails. On the sixth day you let the black candles burn out completely while you make sure his photo has arrived at yours and sits under the yellow candle. On the seventh day you let the yellow and white candle burn out completely. Then wrap up the remains. Thank Santissima Muerte and St. Mary for helping you. Dispose of any remains outside his house or at the crossroads.
Good Luck.

He's not my husband but just my daughters father. Can this still work on the situation regardless?? Plus is ay crossing streets considered a crossroads??

TheBestest · Unread post by **TheBestest** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:28 am

Is there a prayer or novena to Saint Nicholas??

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:24 pm

TheBestest wrote:...

He's not my husband but just my daughters father. Can this still work on the situation regardless?? Plus is ay crossing streets considered a crossroads??

Yes. It can be done with anyone. Yes, there are three-way crossings and 4-way crossings and in this case it does not matter if they are in a central city or out on the country side.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:20 pm

Devi Spring

I dont like pendulum because it is not always right for me. I even asked my guides and angels to give me a clear answer and stop playing, but still got some wrong.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:22 pm

Turnsteel
what is a black mirror ? I have never heard of it. You said scrying stone-like what ?

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:24 pm

Yes, Lucky Mojo does carry products dedicated to St. Nicholas.