Spells to Bring Out Truth, Expose Errors, Force a Confession, Remorse, Apology, Reparations, Repercussions

babybaby · Unread post by **babybaby** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:49 pm

Thank You Marybee for your advice and love, i have now started my honey jar,so lets see the wonders of the jar!
I have also petitioned Saint Martha for her help also.

This man needs to be brought down a peg or two and im going to be the one who does it.

Love to you. x

Every success to you in your works!

Babybaby

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:00 pm

I agree with MaryBee... Work the Courtcase honey jar for him to take care of his responsibility and Cut and Clear for you to move on...you and your child deserve better.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:50 pm

I have been emotionally hurt and still am hurt by a person. I choose not to tell the story here because I am not comfortable. I had a terrible heartache and actually was under a depression. This person still doesn't care of the action.

I am not trying to revenge. But I want to make this person feels very very guilty of the actions that he has done.

What incenses should I use and under waning or waxing moon ?

This is not a love damage, but in both a professional and personal levels, friendship, also included work.

Thanks

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:08 pm

You mix "Court Case Incense" and "Crossing Incense" and add a little dried Shame Briar flower to it. The latter is not supplied by the Lucky Mojo Curio Co so you need to find it yourself. Save the ashes and sprinkle in this persons food or where he will pass over it.
Waning moon ought to be the beat.

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:21 pm

I might add that it should be the leaf of the Shame Briar flower, not the flower itself. Get a fresh plant, touch it while you name the person to be shamed out loud. Then nip and dry the leafs and add to the incense.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:36 am

what is the point of the leaf of the Shame Briar flower in this case ? I meant what does it do ?

Can I use it without the leaf of Shame Briar flower, because I can't find it at all.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:33 pm

Shame Briar specically invokes the feeling of shame in the target. I don't know of any other botanical that evokes that specific response. It requires the leaf plucked from a living plant for this to work, which is why you can't just buy shame briar and why Johannes indicates that you'll need a fresh plant.

Unread post by **Joann Lee** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:07 am

Thank you, Dr. Johannes, for the excellent suggestion. I will look into acquiring some of this plant.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:21 am

Devi Spring wrote:Shame Briar specically invokes the feeling of shame in the target. I don't know of any other botanical that evokes that specific response. It requires the leaf plucked from a living plant for this to work, which is why you can't just buy shame briar and why Johannes indicates that you'll need a fresh plant.

So, without Shame Briar, Court Case and Crossing together don't work in this case ?

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:46 am

I would think not, but this is Johannes spell so I'll let him answer. However as Devi indicated the "guilt" part is very much tied to the Shame Briar.

You may also work Clarity products to help a person their actions for what they are.

candlemagician · Unread post by **candlemagician** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:48 am

Guilt is yet another of those useless human emotions that only SOME are bound by. That being said, if you want to go this route, you have been given yet again the best advise to proceed.

Best of Luck as you proceed

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:38 pm

candlemagician wrote:Guilt is yet another of those useless human emotions that only SOME are bound by. That being said, if you want to go this route, you have been given yet again the best advise to proceed.

Best of Luck as you proceed

not understanding what you said here. Please re-word your sentences.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:39 pm

ConjureMan Ali wrote:I would think not, but this is Johannes spell so I'll let him answer. However as Devi indicated the "guilt" part is very much tied to the Shame Briar.

You may also work Clarity products to help a person their actions for what they are.

So, you are saying I can just use Clarity incense instead of the Combination of Court Case and Crossing ?

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:42 pm

No, I'm saying that another avenuing of getting what you want is working with Clarity. I am not suggesting that you use one instead of the other. I am providing another option for a different type of work than what Dr. Johannes suggested.

Clarity can be used to help person see clearly what they've done. Now if this person is a person of conscience then they'll see their actions and feel guilty.

candlemagician · Unread post by **candlemagician** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:06 pm

sun369 ,

As with everything in life, there are choices, you have been given choices here on how you may proceed with your end in mind. But remember, there is never a promised outcome when it comes to conjure work.

Best of Luck to you!

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:40 pm

candlemagician wrote:sun369 ,

As with everything in life, there are choices, you have been given choices here on how you may proceed with your end in mind. But remember, there is never a promised outcome when it comes to conjure work.

Best of Luck to you!

I know. I have tried spells and experienced that one worked in some case, but not others although I was trying to do the same thing for different people. Like I can freeze some people, but not others. I can attract someone, but not others.

candlemagician · Unread post by **candlemagician** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:26 pm

sun369,

At least around here, when people give you advise, and tell you products to use, and the way to do things it is simply because most of us are either grads, or current students of Ms. cats. The spells and products used are what the work is based on, and what has worked time and again. Now, yes there can be other ways to reach the same goal, and you have been offered those options here... but please understand that the actual products that make up the spell you finally decide on are not optional. they are very important to how this will work out in the end for you.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:28 pm

Dr Johannes wrote:I might add that it should be the leaf of the Shame Briar flower, not the flower itself. Get a fresh plant, touch it while you name the person to be shamed out loud. Then nip and dry the leafs and add to the incense.

can I just put it in the incense without touching, nipping,and drying the leaf ? i always write down my intention and put it inside the incense to burn with it.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:31 pm

candlemagician wrote:Guilt is yet another of those useless human emotions that only SOME are bound by. That being said, if you want to go this route, you have been given yet again the best advise to proceed.

Best of Luck as you proceed

Making someone guilt is just like making someone loves you. But different emotion, feeling.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:38 pm

Dr Johannes wrote:You mix "Court Case Incense" and "Crossing Incense" and add a little dried Shame Briar flower to it. The latter is not supplied by the Lucky Mojo Curio Co so you need to find it yourself. Save the ashes and sprinkle in this persons food or where he will pass over it.
Waning moon ought to be the beat.

Unfortunately, because of the issues, so I am still hurting. I am not going to get embarrassed to see this person to put ash in his food. Instead, can I burn the incense, release its energy and my intention in the air ?

candlemagician · Unread post by **candlemagician** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:46 pm

sun369,

I say it works on SOME..... personally I don't accept guilt or play into that sort of thing. It isn't healthy, and a waste of time and energy. To me it would be more positive personally to work on a cut & clear for yourself, move on, and move into what your have ahead of you. But then thats just my take on it. This goes back to what has been said, there is never a promised outcome with this type of work.

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:49 pm

sun369 wrote:
can I just put it in the incense without touching, nipping,and drying the leaf ? i always write down my intention and put it inside the incense to burn with it.

No.
Shame Briar is used in a specific way for a specific reason. You call out the one you want shamed while touching the plant, the plant wilts "faint's with shame" when something touches it, you then harvest and dry the wilted leaves and use them on the person you called into the working.

sun369 wrote:Unfortunately, because of the issues, so I am still hurting. I am not going to get embarrassed to see this person to put ash in his food. Instead, can I burn the incense, release its energy and my intention in the air ?

You could, tho it would be stronger still to spread the ashes where the person will walk over it.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:53 pm

candlemagician wrote:sun369,

I say it works on SOME..... personally I don't accept guilt or play into that sort of thing. It isn't healthy, and a waste of time and energy. To me it would be more positive personally to work on a cut & clear for yourself, move on, and move into what your have ahead of you. But then thats just my take on it. This goes back to what has been said, there is never a promised outcome with this type of work.

I can't move on and have to bound to this person for a reason that I am not comfortable to tell here. There are something in life that you don't like, but you just can't get rid of like your family. (This case is not about my family here).

candlemagician · Unread post by **candlemagician** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:43 am

In that case sun369, I understand what you are saying. I simply was expressing my feelings and how I would deal with it. Not telling you how you must do it. Each of us is different, that IS a good thing. Now what lays before you is to decide between the options that have been offered to you, and find the way to follow the instructions given exactly as given. They are given this way to give you the very best outcome you can get. They are not optional.

It would seem pointless to do this and then not do it correctly, then say "well, it didn't work" or "didn't work correctly". You owe that much to yourself.

Blessings

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:59 am

If you sincerely searched for the Shame Briar - which adds fundamental power to your spell since it will tell the spirit world you are sincere -and have not found it, you can not use this spell.
The Swedish word for food that has past it´s "best before date" is the same as "shame". So they too can be used to shame a person in the Trolldom tradition. You would buy a pigs heart, but some personal concerns of the target and leave it so sit in a warm place for a few weeks with words like; "I leave you here to be shamed, N.N!". Once the heart has reached the shamed condition it can be mixed with the mentioned incenses and burned on charcoal with the words; "Like this heart burns on the hot coal, so will your heart, N.N. burn with shame!".
Note: Do not burn it indoors and stay well away from the smoke.

candlemagician · Unread post by **candlemagician** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:57 am

Thank you Dr Johannes for making this so clear. somehow a pigs heart seems appropriate.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:29 pm

Dr Johannes wrote: The Swedish word for food that has past it´s "best before date" is the same as "shame". So they too can be used to shame a person in the Trolldom tradition.

Not understanding what you said here.

Dr Johannes wrote: You would buy a pigs heart, but some personal concerns of the target and leave it so sit in a warm place for a few weeks with words like; "I leave you here to be shamed, N.N!". Once the heart has reached the shamed condition it can be mixed with the mentioned incenses and burned on charcoal with the words; "Like this heart burns on the hot coal, so will your heart, N.N. burn with shame!".
Note: Do not burn it indoors and stay well away from the smoke.

This option doesn't work because

1> I can't find a pig's heart.

2> if I have it, I don't a warm place to do this.

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:56 am

sun369,

I suggest you wait for the supplies to arrive and the Shame Briar to grow. Revenge is a dish best served cold anyway.

While you are waiting you might also have a look at the Psalms at
http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/wi ... _of_Psalms and find something suitable.
Good luck!

candlemagician · Unread post by **candlemagician** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:03 am

sun369,

I totally agree with the poster's above me, I would like to add one thing here and that is for YOU. Please, take this time to do some work with http://www.luckymojo.com/saintdymphna.html for yourself. I feel in your case this is Very important thing to be done.

Best of Luck in whatever you decide to do

karina · Unread post by **karina** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:06 pm

If you went to a doctor and they prescribed you an antibiotic, but you didn't want to wait for the pharmacist to fill it and so just took a lot of aspirin instead, do you really think you'd get better?

Conjure isn't about convenience, it's about tradition. If you are unwilling to do what is recommended, you can't expect results. If a stoplight is red and you decide to go anyway, don't blame others if you get hit.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:15 pm

Okay, the only one thing missing that I can never get it is Shame Briar Flower leaf. Also, I am praying to the saint that you mentioned, but I want to try all the recommendations.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:26 pm

candlemagician wrote:sun369,

I totally agree with the poster's above me, I would like to add one thing here and that is for YOU. Please, take this time to do some work with http://www.luckymojo.com/saintdymphna.html for yourself. I feel in your case this is Very important thing to be done.

Best of Luck in whatever you decide to do

Sorry, but I just read this description and Saint Dymphna doesn't fit me in this case. I was not being raped or abused, and I am not a little kid.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:53 pm

St Dymphna helps heal mental challenges, and people with nervous dispositions, as well as aid healing from any kind of emotional traumas. So, in the advice to help yourself get over this situation, yes - she can aid with that very much.

smokey08 · Unread post by **smokey08** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:27 am

Is it weird that I want my ex back? But at the same time before I want him back I want him to miss me & call me & beg for me back the way I begged for him. What type of products so should go with? I was looking on the LM site & I want to purchase everything lol but I want to choose the right products. I talked to a reader today & I told her how I am working with saint martha the dominator & she thinks its a good idea & believes saint martha would help me more than just love. But I'm tired of this wishy washy relationship with him & I feel like we should get back together & stay that way but first I want him to feel my pain & think about me & shed some tears like I did for him while he was ignoring me & giving me the cold shoulder till her was ready to talk to me. Idk this is frustrating. If anyone can help that be great!

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:50 am

So which is it? Do you want revenge or reconciliation? What is your ultimate goal, to get back with him or hurt him? If he associates you with pain, you might just drive him away even more.

If you want reconciliation, do a honey jar and work with love products, such as Love Me, Chuparrosa, Follow Me Boy. If you want revenge, with Reversal or Crossing. But make up your mind.

Another alternative is to do Cut and Clear and find someone else who could provide you with what you want.

smokey08 · Unread post by **smokey08** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:31 am

Thank you mama micki! I know right now I want to do reconciliation work & that's my final decision but I was wondering does saint martha the dominator I know she dominates but can she help people reconcile too? Because I have a honey jar going so far I put herbs and our pictures in the jar & burned pink & red 4 inch candles. So I'm wondering is this okay to do saint martha & my honey jar at the same time? & my candle burned really fast last night & I used the red one for the first time and the rest of the days used pink & it burned really slow

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:34 pm

Mama Micki brings up an excellent point that I see a lot of times with clients. They say they want reconciliation but they want their target to suffer. I'm sorry, but that's not reconciliation. Reconciliation by its very definition is the act of healing the injuries to a relationship--you can't do that if you're wanting that person to suffer.

My best advice to people in this position is to decide what you really want. Do you want them back or do you want them to suffer?

smokey08 · Unread post by **smokey08** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:37 am

I want him back because I know deep down he's a good person. He just holds onto his past (which isn't a good thing), gets hurt about things that aren't a big deal, and holds unnecessary grudges. Basically he needs to learn how to forgive. I have a reading with Brother Jeffrey so I will know what's really going on, because being confused is not a good thing.

Wild at Heart · Unread post by **Wild at Heart** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:34 am

It seems odd that you would want him to learn how to forgive, when your own hypothetical actions would not be very forgiving. Figure out what you want exactly, and then outline a plan to suit that goal. If you want to reconcile, then work towards that (but it also means leaving your own anger behind). If you want him to suffer, then work towards that (also work towards not caring about him, if you take the latter route).

smokey08 · Unread post by **smokey08** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:09 am

Well I did have mixed emotions at the time. But I do want to reconcile

Wild at Heart · Unread post by **Wild at Heart** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:20 pm

Well making a reconciliation honey jar (the kit) is excellent for this! I would also buy the Deer's Tongue herb to dress the candles for communication.

smokey08 · Unread post by **smokey08** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:52 pm

Thanks! Where on this website would I find the deers tongue? Cus I would love if we had communication going!

AmaSarah · Unread post by **AmaSarah** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:06 pm

deer's tongue: http://www.herb-magic.com/deers-tongue.html

all herbs: http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatherbs.html

Tavia · Unread post by **Tavia** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:07 am

Hello All,

A few months ago I went through a terrible break-up, and although the relationship wasn't the best, it still could've been broken off in a better way. In short, my ex treated me terribly, and broke things off in a horrible way, leaving me damaged and heartbroken

. I need closure. He is so arrogant that he believes he did the right thing. I want him to realize how horrible he has been to me and I wish for him to seek me out for forgiveness. Is there a spell or ritual I can do to make this happen?

By the way, I do NOT want to Hex him (I don't want it to reverse on me), nor do I have plans to get back in a relationship with this selfish guy. I only wish that he feels the same pain that I did, and that he comes begging me for forgiveness.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:14 am

My advice is to Cut and Clear him and move on. His coming to you begging for forgiveness is not only unlikely, but would entail further contact with him. Since you say you do not want him back, then forget about him and get on with your life. "Living well is the best revenge."

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 2:30 pm

Compelling is a good choice, especially on a skull candle.

Tavia · Unread post by **Tavia** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:23 pm

Thank you for your wonderful advice Mama Micki. You are definitely right. I should stop worrying about that loser and move on with my life. I'll do my best to forget about him, and keep feeding my Crown of Success mojo so that it may aid me in my future endeavors. Thanks Again

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:47 pm

Devi is saying that the "emotional hurt" you described feeling in your first post also needs to be addressed -- and that in addition to making the other person feel guilty for the harm he or she has caused, you could use a bit of the kind of mental strength and personal healing with which Saint Dymphna is said to assist.

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sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:03 pm

Let go back to this thread. Now, I can do everything at my father's apartment including producing smoke like burning candles. So, besides burning incenses, what other suggestions would any of you have for me to make this magick stronger ?

I have been burning incenses outside of my house like in a car or at a public park.

Thanks in advance.

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:44 pm

Let me update on what I saw in this thread. I have been dreaming positively about this person, but there was no anger or hatred in my dream. He still has not yet contacted me. This person started hurting me and I hurt him back way before I learned to do magick. Now, I want him to feel sorry for his starting action and reconcile with me. I know he's very stubborn.

Instead of burning incenses, I put both court case oil and crossing oil inside Court Case candle even I can't find Shame Briar. I am too determined to get it to work so I did it anyways without Shame Briar.

drjumba · Unread post by **drjumba** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:40 pm

Hello I see this post is dated last month I think my opinion will still serve some interest. Love is so complicated and from my point of view, it’s not easy just to forget about someone that you had spent some quality time with just like that without telling or giving your heart a reason why you are doing so.

For the fact that you came here looking for help about someone that you don’t like anymore, don’t get me wrong but it shows that you still care about if not him, about what he does. You still feel that he owes you something which is not good for a breaking relationship.

It seems he has done a lot to you so my advice would be to only remember the bad things and the abusing that he has done to you also take this breakup as a solution to all his wrong behaviors towards you and say to yourself that he owes you northing. Cut all communications with him and even regard yourself single from now. Then that will give your heart a reason to hate his way of treating women. Once you give your heart a reason, thing will work out by themselves but remember this process is full of scarifieses and hurting.

The easy way would be to ask lucky mojo to create you a break up spell

Tavia · Unread post by **Tavia** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:21 pm

Dr. Jumba, your words mean a lot to me. And yes you are right. I guess there is still a part of me that cares for this guy. Which is really weird to me since he was such a total jerk. But sometimes one cannot rationally explain the matters of the heart.

I purchased a Cut and Clear fixed Vigil candle from LM. They are going to set it on their alter. Hopefully this helps. And I may also take a bath in some violet leaves to mend my broken heart. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my post.

Thank you

drjumba · Unread post by **drjumba** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:09 pm

Thank you my dear may all go well for and heal quickly.

Thats the use of joining forums.

God bless

sun369 · Unread post by **sun369** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:43 pm

Dr Johannes wrote:You mix "Court Case Incense" and "Crossing Incense" and add a little dried Shame Briar flower to it. The latter is not supplied by the Lucky Mojo Curio Co so you need to find it yourself. Save the ashes and sprinkle in this persons food or where he will pass over it.
Waning moon ought to be the beat.

What happens if I add Devil's Oil to this ? would it make it stronger ?

WildfreeWolf · Unread post by **WildfreeWolf** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:21 am

My ex, whom I dumped last week, didn't know how to be serious in a relationship and I don't think he knows how to be in one because I think it was new to him that someone really cared about him.

..We broken up because of academic stress and among other personal issues after going out for almost half a month. I kinda want him back but at the same time, he didn't know how to be serious and how to be in a relationship. I mean, his ego got the better of him.

I really saw something in him and beyond his stoic character and his big ego which makes him look like a donkey, I think I was the only girl who tolerated it.

I still like him a lot and I'm going through a "Mini Heartbreak" so-to-speak.

I want him to feel guilty for the way he treated me but also to "soften" him.

I could do a honey jar spell, but is there any alternatives?

I do have one personal item from him: his sunglasses.

I have no Lucky Mojo oils.

What do you guys think?

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:33 am

You dumped him. You are heartbroken (you have dumper's remorse) -- but you still don't like him the way he is enough to ask his forgiveness and reconcile. Instead, you want him to feel guilty -- but for what, for being dumped?

Before buying any of our oils, you need to get clear in your mind what you want.

A) If you want to make him feel guilty and sad because he was a total failure and not good enough for you, try Controlling Oil, Do As I Say Oil, Compelling Oil, Domination Oil, Influence Oil, or Black Arts Oil on a black skull candle.

B) To ask his forgiveness for your hasty dumping of him and get him to reconcile, try Return To Me, Reconciliation, and Love Me oils.

C) After you get him back -- and that is IF you get him back, and that is not a foregone conclusion -- then work gentle love-confessing and emotion-opening spells on him such as a white skull candle dressed with Chuparrosa, Influence, Love Me, and Dixie Love oils, plus Deer's Tongue herb to encourage him to speak more freely.

Good luck.

Wild at Heart · Unread post by **Wild at Heart** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:24 pm

You didn't describe how he'd wronged you- what did he do that's terrible enough to cross him up? Did he hit you? Ruin your property? Yell at or just refuse to talk to you?

You said here, "My ex... didn't know how to be serious in a relationship and I don't think he knows how to be in one because I think it was new to him that someone really cared about him. " That suggests he has emotional issues and coercing him or performing spells to bring him back won't fix that. You also make excuses for his behavior and mention you believe you're the only person who tolerated it for the longest. Why don't you just cut and clear, leave him to his own devices and draw someone who is capable of a serious, emotionally available relationship instead of a fix-er-up. You've only gone out for one month, you don't need to invest any more emotion into him.

Also, these two for you to figure out what you want in a romantic partner:
http://www.luckymojo.com/oil-clarity.html
http://www.luckymojo.com/oil-king-solomon-wisdom.html

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:28 pm

You dated for two weeks and found out he's not what you want. Wild at Heart is right. Cut and Clear and move on. It's not your job to make him over into your Prince Charming.

BellaMars · Unread post by **BellaMars** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:47 am

I would like to have control over my estranged husband ( J) and have him feel all the crap that he is putting me and our 2 little boys through. He is a very narcissistic man who lies to everyone we know and has made himself out to be the victim in this whole separation drama when he is the one who moved out without warning to any of us.

Even now (he moved out a year ago)he thinks that I should ‘help him out’ and ‘help make his life easier’. He also has a big ego, part of the narcissism I guess, he assumes that I tell my boys nasty things about him bc they have an attitude when they visit him. When in actuality we don’t speak much about J at all and the few times the kids ask anything, I tell the boys I love their dad and would never have left him or abandoned our family, this is the truth.(But I don’t want him back after all the drama and immature crap he has pulled) When I assured my estranged husband that I don’t talk ‘evil’ about him he got mad and wants me to lie to our boys and tell them that I hate him and that I was the one to tell him to leave so that the boys would stop giving him attitude and acting out with him. So its a no win situation, he was mad thinking I spoke ill of him and then when assured it was the opposite he was mad at that and then told me to tell the boys I hate him(what he was originally mad at in the first place) Its an emotional rollercoaster dealing with him and since we have children he will be in my life and my childrens for along time. I need help to stop his controlling and manipulative ways right now before it gets any worse.

I am not looking for 'revenge' I would just like him to feel the same emotions that he is putting me and his boys through hoping that in experiencing those feelings himself he will stop doing what, I was thinking maybe some kind of reversal work? Or maybe a dollbaby or skullcandle work?

Thanks so much in advance

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:18 am

Here are a few links
narcissist-t4176.html

Personally I would go the route of doing a white skull candle, and doing some clarity work and help him wisely see things for what they really are.

www.luckymojo.com/products-clarity.html
www.luckymojo.com/kingsolomonwisdom

I would do some stop gossip work along with reversing powder so that his words will be reversed back to him.

Perhaps you may want to do some reconciliation work to just bring peace between the two of you...not to bring you back together as lovers. I would try a sweet jar to just make you get along for the sake of your your children

www.luckymojo.com/reconciliation.html
www.luckymojo.com/stopgossip.html
www.luckymojo.com/reversing.html