Deities, Angels, Spirits, Saints: Questions and Answers

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:39 pm

sun369

A black mirror is just what it sounds like, a black reflective piece of glass. As for scrying stones, LuckyMojo sells lovely palm sized ones here: http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatdivination.html#scrying

TheBestest · Unread post by **TheBestest** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:36 pm

Yes. It can be done with anyone. Yes, there are three-way crossings and 4-way crossings and in this case it does not matter if they are in a central city or out on the country side.[/quote]

I'm so glad to hear this because I never understood the whole crossroads thing! Lol, I thought maybe a place ppl needed to go to located in the south or something. I've been watching too much SUPERNATURAL, lol.

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:58 pm

Hello TheBestest here is a link for you:
http://www.luckymojo.com/crossroads.html

Dr. Johannes and Mama Micki have given great recommendations. The court case products from Lucky Mojo are a "must have" for you.
I like all of the Saint recommendations listed above. A relationship should be built. You can build a relationship the very first time you pray or ask for help.You will know.

I am also recommending, in addition to above, Archangel Michael (protection ---especially for children) :
http://www.luckymojo.com/archangelmichael.html
Archangel Gabriel: (communication through air ways-- the lungs the throat--)
http://www.luckymojo.com/archangelgabriel.html
Archangel Raphael (healing):
http://readersandrootworkers.org/index. ... el_Raphael
What can I work with?
All Saints Products, Holy Cards, Prints, All Saints oil and Lucky Mojo Court Case.
***In addition, ask your Doc for the "freebee" samples*** (not going to address law, insurance, or medicine,-- just ask)
Be Blessed!

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:22 am

What do you mean trade with them?

In conjure we employ spirits of the dead to aid us in our work by paying them (coins, smokes, alcohol etc).

TheBestest · Unread post by **TheBestest** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:08 am

Miss Tammie Lee wrote:Hello TheBestest here is a link for you:
http://www.luckymojo.com/crossroads.html

Dr. Johannes and Mama Micki have given great recommendations. The court case products from Lucky Mojo are a "must have" for you.
I like all of the Saint recommendations listed above. A relationship should be built. You can build a relationship the very first time you pray or ask for help.You will know.

I am also recommending, in addition to above, Archangel Michael (protection ---especially for children) :
http://www.luckymojo.com/archangelmichael.html
Archangel Gabriel: (communication through air ways-- the lungs the throat--)
http://www.luckymojo.com/archangelgabriel.html
Archangel Raphael (healing):
http://readersandrootworkers.org/index. ... el_Raphael
What can I work with?
All Saints Products, Holy Cards, Prints, All Saints oil and Lucky Mojo Court Case.
***In addition, ask your Doc for the "freebee" samples*** (not going to address law, insurance, or medicine,-- just ask)
Be Blessed!

Thanks sooo much Miss Tammie this is great info. I had very little knowledge that the archangels helped with such matters. I will also look into Court Case products. Thank you

mWn_2 · Unread post by **mWn_2** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:56 am

Yeah, that what I mean, but not only with dead, there is any spirits as maybe small elemental ones or something else than dead ?

Trading with them means that if they want coins, smokes, alcohol etc. they will get it for job that we need to do. Exactly this but there is any good hoodoo-like method to do this?

(I don't mean of course working with saints)

Unread post by **Mary Bee** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:45 am

If you wanted to offer payment to a dead spirit in a graveyard, you would approach their grave and leave coins on top, pour liquor, or leave some cigarettes or tobacco on the grave.

If you maintain an altar for saints or spirits or ancestors in your home, you can make the offerings there. Talk to the spirits and tell them what the offering is for. I leave glasses of alcohol on my ancestor altar, for example, until all the liquid is gone/evaporated.

Good luck,
Mary Bee

mWn_2 · Unread post by **mWn_2** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:01 am

Eh...

I mean about spirit pots, etc. To catch spirit or invoke there spirit and trade with them something-for-something or gather spirit in to bamboo and seal it.

Unread post by **aura** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:23 am

Hi mWn,

MaryBee and ConjureMan Ali have both told you: in conjure spirits of the dead are paid for there services. There is no ''hoodoo method'' of making spirit pots, invoking cthonic entities or working with elementals because these aren't practices used in hoodoo - they come from other spiritual traditions outside the scope of this forum.

Should you desire to work with these other entities, many of the AIRR members are well-versed in a number of spiritual traditions. I suggest you read through their biographies and contact one that suits your needs for a magickal consultation: http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/in ... ootworkers

Best of luck.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:19 pm

Actually making spirit pots is not unheard of in conjure. These traditions do exist, but generally have fallen out of practice by all except those who remember such things. We find examples of these in spirit bottles, spirit dolls, and similar constructions.

For example, in Virginia there was a roots doctor who had a dollie in which he housed a familiar spirit that he'd work with and this man was a straight up roots doctor. Similarly Miss cat's bone collection has a doll head stuffed with graveyard dirt of a familiar spirit, the doll's head acting as a spirit container.

These practices exist in three strains in conjure. First they come directly from the practices of Africans themselves, especially those from the Congo. While the Yoruba and Fon also have these practices of housing spirits, the Bantu people of Angola and Kongo had spirit containers as part of their central magical practices. The nkisi/mnkisi are exempliary of these practices.

When the slaves were brought over to the Americas, these practices continued to exist in a religious function in the religions of Kimbanda and Palo where you have the assentamento and prenda respectively. However they were also brought to the United States, but because the traditional religious practices did not take root, these practices lost that devotional element. Instead the magical technique continued to be passed down, but without the usual priestly connotations. These techniques still exists today, but we aren't making nkisi anymore, we are making spirit bottles.

The second strain of these practices comes from North Africa and the Levant with the making of demon bowls. An example of this can still be found today in the act of placing a cup or bowl of water next to your bed to capture evil spirits.

The third strain is seen in the witch bottles of Northern Europe and England.

Today the remnant of these practices can be found in conjure in the protective objects known as witch bottles or spirit bottles, but the ultimate manifestation of these spirit containers is the mojo hand which can be seen as a descendent of the nkisi and the medicine bag. It is for this reason taht mojo bags are more than a talismanic object, they are living spirits hoursed in cloth.

For more on this subject, consider attending the Lucky Mojo workshops in May, where I'll be teaching a course on the subject and making these objects.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:35 pm

Thanks, Conjureman Ali for such an informative answer.

Unread post by **aura** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:08 am

Thank you very much for the correction and historical information ConjureMan Ali. And hopefully I'll catch that class in May.

autumnalflower · Unread post by **autumnalflower** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:09 pm

Thank you Sacred Heart and Virgen de Quadalupe along with St Jude with your help!

mWn_2 · Unread post by **mWn_2** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:47 pm

You got any results by working with these spirits? They are pretty powerful? There is possible to physical manifestation or semi-physical as in some evo/invocations?

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:09 pm

These are odd questions and speaks to someone who may be new to this tradition. Of course I've gotten results from spirits. It may behoove you to take some time and learn about conjure and its spiritual tradition before jumping into a line of work you are unfamiliar with.

mWn_2 · Unread post by **mWn_2** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:43 am

I'm mostly familiar with European tradition which there is no authentic sorcery way in these days as this tradition like witches was mostly oral.

deltafour1212 · Unread post by **deltafour1212** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:02 am

I have done Saint Magick and found it to be very powerful.

I know Saints have their own traditional novenas.

I was wondering if there is a "universal" novena to use or how to make your own novena for a particular deity or spirit of your choice other than Saints to carry out your task, especially if you want to do a crossing spell, revenge spell, lust spell, or something a little more down and dirty than a saint would approve of.

Delta

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:10 am

Novenas are a Catholic tradition, although the idea of a nine-day prayer may be older.

I don't know what "deities" you are referring to, but hoodoo originated with Christian African-Americans.

If you are looking for prayers to European Pagan gods, you should probably check a website or forum dedicated to Paganism, Wicca, etc.

Lucky Mojo does carry vigil candles, oils, statuary, and other goods for Hindu Gods and Goddesses and for Buddha, if that's what you're into.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:53 am

Like Mama Micki, I am not quite clear on what you are asking, however, here is a link to the AIRR Spirit Work page:

(http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/C ... pirit_Work)

This page discusses and provides links to working with many religions, deities, angels, and spirits in hoodoo and conjure. It may answer your inquiry.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:04 am

As Mama Micki pointed out, the word "novena" means "nine-day prayer" and although the term originated within the Roman Catholic Church, and it specifically refers to a nine-day candle-service with special prayers for each day (often printed in booklets or distributed via web pages), any eclectic person such as yourself could conceivably craft a nine-day prayer of his or her own, for any purpose, and address it to any deity, spirit, archangel or angel, with an unknown degree of authenticity and spiritual effectiveness.

Good luck!

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:54 pm

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Use in Magic:
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and also

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Use in Magic:
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Spell Methods:
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Maestro55555 · Unread post by **Maestro55555** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:07 pm

Greetings to all from Afghanistan!

Hello Lucky Mojo community! I just joined the site, and I must say this seems like a wonderful place to meet and interact with like minds. I am currently deployed in Afghanistan (Army Officer) so anytime I get an opportunity to stay connected to the "world" I take it. I have studied and worked with other African diasporic religions/practices in the past, such as Palo Mayombe and Obeah. I am actually going to be "scratched" in May when I go on leave. However I have always been very interested in Rootwork/Conjure folk magick, yet never had the opportunity to pursue my interest until now. I have recently bought a pleathora of different items from the Lucky Mojo site. My questions are pertaining to working with the spirits in the Rootworker tradition. I purchased the triple strength dark arts mojo hand, and I also purchased the following: Human tooth, Human finger bone(large), Black Cat and Black Dog hair, Mullein Leaf, Snake shed, Couch Grass, Black Hen Feather, Coffin Nails, Devil Pod. ( I purchased much more than this but these are the ones I have a question about) Can I place these in my triple strength dark arts Mojo hand to make it even stronger, so that I will be able to summon more effeciently/stronger pact making ability? I also bought many different oils such as Devil oil, Damnation oil, D.U.M.E. oil, Black arts oil etc. I know in Palo we listen to the spirits to tell us all the additional specific items they want in their prenda. I was wondering does the same line of thought apply to the Mojo hands in Conjure?... I am very excited to participate and learn from all the members in this wonderful community!! Thank you and blessings to you all!!

bunny335 · Unread post by **bunny335** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:34 pm

If you do a spell calling a spirit, if while doing the work it feels as if somebody is present, does that mean it worked?

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:47 am

Well, it's likely that you successfully called a spirit to you - however, that does not guarantee that what you are working towards will be successful.

Did you talk to the spirit while it was present? Confirm that it was actually the spirit that you were trying to reach? Communicate your desires to it? Ask if it was willing to work for your needs? Get it's agreement to help you?

All of these are important elements in spirit work.

If you have a method of divination that you are comfortable with, you can use that to help you determine the nature of your encounter and what it means for the work you are doing. Also, you can use it during your work to help you communicate with spirits if direct communication is not a skill you are comfortable with yet. A pendulum is simple to learn and can be extremely helpful in that kind of situation.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:49 am

Remember; if "somebody" is present then "anybody" could be present.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:01 pm

Very good point, Joseph!

Cheshanna · Unread post by **Cheshanna** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:48 pm

Hello. I've tried searching but didn't come up with an answer to my query.

Do you inscribe the candles you use when working with saints and, if so, what do you write on the candle - is it the name of your target (I'd doing reconciliation/love work)?

Thanks

Anna

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:10 pm

I personally don't. I usually write a petition stating somethin glike "Please help me get a new job" or "Please dominate my boss to give me more hours" then I put that petition under the candle. But if you are using a regular candle (not a vigil light) then you can carve your target's name and what you are asking for such as "please bring him back to me" I think its definitely okay to do that.

melimel · Unread post by **melimel** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:31 pm

But here is a question..
Can you light a candle for each saint with their figure on the candles and petition them all at the same time for the same thing?

Example Im trying to get employment can I petition St Jude, St Joseph, St Anthony, St Expedite all to help me get the same goal? I would say a prayer for each of them as needed (their specific prayers) but light their candles on the same day rather than different days.
St jude I read was Sunday, St Anthony is Tuesday, St Expedite is Wednesday and I havent found the day yet for St Joseph or his specific prayer...
Would it be okay to light all 4 candles on a Sunday?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:12 pm

I would get some kind of divination first to see if they are all willing to help you on what you want to petition for.

And if they are all wiling to help then yeah you could petition all of them for the same thing.

st joseph day would be sunday.

I mean you could call upon them anytime, but I make sure to light their candles on their individual days.

melimel · Unread post by **melimel** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:57 pm

starsinthesky7 wrote:I would get some kind of divination first to see if they are all willing to help you on what you want to petition for.

And if they are all wiling to help then yeah you could petition all of them for the same thing.

st joseph day would be sunday.

I mean you could call upon them anytime, but I make sure to light their candles on their individual days.

Is there a specific or special prayer used for st Joseph? I cant seem to find one on here.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:10 am

www.luckymojo.com/saintjoseph.html

Unread post by **Flora** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:51 am

I have two Saints that I love working with and I use all types of colored candles depending on my request. I do write the name of the Saint on the candle along with my name. I like to hold my candle and a petition card in my hands while I say my prayer for whatever I am asking help with. I place the card under my candle holder then when I light my candle I tell the Saint I am petitioning "This light is love to you for all your help thank you."

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:29 pm

I use petition papers under candles, whether vigil light or taper (the tapers being in candlesticks, of course).

Miss Michaele

Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:44 pm

What's the best way to work with St. Dymphna? Today I ordered a SD card and candle, so how should I prepare my altar to work with her and what Psalm or Bible verse would work best with it? Specifically I'm dealing with depression and PTSD right now.

Unread post by **aura** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:12 am

Hi Luckbewithme876,

the following forum thread has some excellent advice on how to work with St-Dymphna: working-with-saint-dymphna-t4448s30.html; it has a prayer to St-Dymphna (post by Literary Lioness) that is quite beautiful.

Blessings to you.

Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:27 am

Thanks for the help.

EDIT: Actually the link didn't work for me. Could you post the information here?

Blessings to you too.

Unread post by **aura** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:47 am

Hi,

here's the post I was referring to:

Literarylioness wrote:Take a good salty bath with baking soda. If you have any bay leaves, put one in the tub with you. This will begin the cleaning process. As you are bathing, read Psalms 23 and 35. After you have soaked, take a white egg and run it DOWN your body, NOT up. As you leave the bath, walk between two white candles. If you have some olive oil, anoint the candles with olive oil. Even if they are just white birthday candles on the tub rim.

Take the some of the bath water, the bay leaf, and the egg to a tree off your property and throw them at the tree. Throw the egg REALLY hard against the tree and imagine all your problems going away. Do this before dawn and walk away without looking back.

To get help from St. Dymphna, get a white vigil candle and for 9 days straight say the following prayer:
Prayer to St. Dymphna
Lord, my God, you chose St. Dymphna as heavenly patron
of those afflicted with mental and nervous disorders.
Through her prayers grant in your loving kindness
relief and consolation to all who are emotionally disturbed,
and especially for (your petition here)
Through the merits of St. Dymphana, Virgin and Martyr,
graciously accord to those for whom we pray patience
in suffering and resignation to your divine will.
Fill them with the gifts of your Holy Spirit,
and obtain for them health in mind and body.
We ask this through Christ, our Lord.
Amen

After your 9 continuous days of prayer, find a charity in her name and give an offering of whatever you can.

Take care,

Mary

Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:22 am

Thanks for the help.

melimel · Unread post by **melimel** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:25 am

Thank you stars
One more question what does one pay to st joseph if he answers the prayers?

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:14 am

Melimel,

It is a common practice to offer charity to the poor in the name of Saint Joseph, or to donate to any charity, hospital, or church which bears his name.

melimel · Unread post by **melimel** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:59 pm

catherineyronwode wrote:Melimel,

It is a common practice to offer charity to the poor in the name of Saint Joseph, or to donate to any charity, hospital, or church which bears his name.

Ahh thank you so much Cat for the quick response!
I recently found a page where Bri had made a link to all the saints and what they cant be petitioned for. However is there such a page that has a list of what to pay them? I go to their specific pages you have on here but sometimes Do not see the specifics of what to pay them, candle color or day to light them.

Is there a page somewhere here on LM that lists the specifics to this or should I just continue to do google searches when neeed? The thing I hate about the google searches is sites always give different days/prayers or candle colors. I like to come here for everything

markx · Unread post by **markx** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:36 am

Hi

I'm working on something, and wondered what herbs, powders or anything else, would draw spirits to them?

Unread post by **aura** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:51 am

Well markx,

if you specify what kind of spirits you're wanting to attract, it will determine what kind of materials you'll require to draw them. Several forum members will be able to give you in depth responses since they regularly work with spirits (I don't).

To attract angelics, Guardian Angel, Spirit Guide and Indian Spirit Guide products and herbs such as althaea (http://www.herb-magic.com/althaea-leaf.html), holly (http://www.herb-magic.com/holly.html), wormwood (http://www.herb-magic.com/wormwood.html), mugwort (http://www.herb-magic.com/mugwort.html) and angelica (http://www.herb-magic.com/angelica-root.html) are helpful.

To attract chtonic or darker spirits then you'd be thinking more the Black Arts products and herbs such as vandal root (http://www.herb-magic.com/vandal-root.html) and mullein (http://www.herb-magic.com/mullein.html).

If you wanted to work with graveyard spirits, then graveyard dirt is required, which you can read more about here: http://www.luckymojo.com/graveyarddirt.html.

Hope this helps.

Unread post by **Jibrael** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:12 pm

I can attest to Black Arts, wormwood, and mugwort being great for calling spirits. I'd also recommend, especially for more benevolent forces, the Abra Melin products. These are based on the formula in the Old Testament for the oil and incence of Jehovah's Temple. Abra Melin and Black Arts are probably my favorite LM formulas so far.
Also, in the Native American tradition, sweetgrass is said to draw only helpful spirits.
Frankincense, Myrhh, and Copal are excellent as well. Copal is traditional in South American native traditions for communing with the dead, and I have found it to be excellent for that work.

Unread post by **Priestess Divine** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:24 pm

Is it okay to petition a Saint on a day not designated as "their day"? St Joseph or St Expedite or St Jude. Thanks

Unread post by **aura** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:39 am

Hi BestofLife,

Saints will listen any day of the week. If you can wait until their day, great - even better - but work when the need is there. As long as you thank them properly (like a good friend!), they'll be there all the time (like a good friend

)

Unread post by **Priestess Divine** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:45 am

Thanks Aura! Was thinking that but wasn't sure. My work with Saints is limited. I may get that book everyone keeps talking about.

Great notion of the good friend.

mWn_2 · Unread post by **mWn_2** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:58 am

What technique is good to attract these good forces? As we got herbs now we need some incantation or ritual there is found any good?

Unread post by **Lee Canipe** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:27 am

MWn-- hold the herbs in your hands and pray to the Lord to permit good spirits to come to you and help you... and to keep bad spirits away.

Lee Canipe #398 (G)

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:44 am

mWn

Hoodoo doesn't go in much for formulaic rituals like ceremonial magic does. A rootworker's altars, though they can be very artistic and beautiful, look more like workbenches than worship space.

Some hoodoo rootworkers use the Lesser Key of Solomon (which you can google), mostly dispensing with the elaborate rituals and drawing or photocopying or printing out the seals for use in appropriate spells. Some of those seals are designed to command particular spirits. You will find many of them in the 8th, 9th and 10th Books of Moses.

For the most part, hoodoo folks pray extemporaneously from their hearts. Many of them also pray with the Psalms according to the attributions developed in the 17th century by the "Monks of the Wickahisson." These attributions are preserved in Godfrey Selig's "Secrets of the Psalms" and the online psalter at the AIRR website.

The 8th, 9th and 10th Books of Moses
http://www.luckymojo.com/8th9th10thmoses.html
"Secrets of the Psalms": The Kabbalist Influence on Hoodoo
http://www.luckymojo.com/secretspsalms.html
How to use the Psalms in prayer and rootwork
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/C ... _of_Psalms

So much for incantation.

As to ritual, hoodoo focuses more on spellwork -- rituals to get results. Even something as elaborate and demanding as going to the crossroads is focussed on gaining a particular skill, be it gambling, guitar-picking, or anything else your hands can do.

Now, to attract good spirits, what can you do?

Light a series of candles on a petition to friendly spirits (or spirits suitable to the "black arts," if that is your gift and desire).
Devote some altar space to these spirits, as you would to an ancestor or saint. Leave offerings as tradition and spirit guide you. (This is why you will see glasses of pale blue-dyed water on the altars of folks who work in the Spiritual Church tradition.)
Develop your scrying powers with a crystal ball or black scrying mirror, as P. B. Randolph did.
Perform divinations according to your most reliable methods, inviting spirits to communicate with you.
Build a little spirit house on your property -- especially for the more rambunctious spirits. But now we are straying beyond traditional hoodoo work.

Hope this helps,

Miss Michaele

Fullmoondiva · Unread post by **Fullmoondiva** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:10 pm

Do love spells have a better chance of working if you work with Saint or can it work just as well without one? Can you also work with the spirit of a loved one instead of a Saint for a love spell? I read about the one love spell that someone else mentioned using graveyard dirt from a loved one's grave.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:32 am

Fullmoondiva, magic, especially folk-magic, is not a game, like a role-playing game, where you can "increase your odds" with certain "strategies."

If you are not Catholic and if, for one reason or another, you have no interest in Catholic saints, then attempting to work with saints would be a distraction and a nuisance. Likewise, if you were a Hindu and someone told you that you would have better success in love if you prayed to Allah, you might try it, but it would very likely distract you.

The question -- the way you phrase it -- gives me the idea that either you are Catholic and think that everyone here is and are just straightforwardly wondering if we work with saints for love -- or, perhaps, you are not Catholic and have no deep committment to ANY religion and just think of the Catholic saints as a kind of optional add-on.

Well, the thing is, most of us here are not Catholics (some are, obviously), and even among Catholics, not all would work with a saint for love -- some might find that selfish or wrong, and only petition saints for health and blessings and safety issues.

There is no answer to your question, because there are really as many answers to your question as there are people in this forum.

For example, i work with Jewish Archangels -- which some Catholics call saints (e.g. "Saint" Michael, who is Archangel Michael) -- but he helps with protection, not love. And i work with Saint Expedite (for luck in a hurry) and with the Holy Family, Jesus, Joseph, and Mary, and i work with Saint Dymphna -- but none of those are notable for helping with love.

So, for me -- and that's just one person, me, not the whole group of thousands of people who post here -- the answer is no, because i am one of those folks who does not petition Catholic saints for love matters. It's just not my thing. But i have been quite successful, over the long haul, in love spells, so i don't feel like i have missed anything by not working with Catholic saints for love.

Fullmoondiva · Unread post by **Fullmoondiva** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:54 am

Thanks Catherine for your help. I asked that question because I was really wondering if you needed to work with saints at all in order for hoodoo spells to work and no I am not cathlolic. It's just that I have read quite a few posts where they mentioned the names of these different saints.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:05 pm

The popularity of the saints is really an internet phenomenon that has resulted from the rising influence of Afro-Cuban and Latin American folk magic practices. The fact is that conjure always has been and remains a mostly Protestant Christian form of spirituality. Don't let the internet fool you, most conjure doctors have actually never worked with saints

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Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:23 pm

I set up an altar for St. Dymphna yesterday and fianlly got around to working with her. So far I already feel a little better. Is there any offering that I can make to her? I know St. Expedite likes flowers and pound cake. Also how do I make the offering? I never understood how that works unless it's like a burnt offering.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:25 pm

You can donate to the National Shrine of St. Dymphna, or you may make a donation to a Soteria-type mental wellness recovery program as they use a method similar to what she used back in Gheel.

Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:19 pm

Thanks Devi Spring.

Unread post by **Priestess Divine** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:41 am

Conjure Man Ali, I am not at all educated enough to work with Saints and feel out of my element when I do. I found via the internet that St Joseph is great for jobs but have found none other. Is there any other deities or spirits that I can petition for job getting or job related type work? Thank you!!

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:20 am

I'm not CMA, but you do not have to work with saints if you are not comfortable doing so. If you still want to, you can petition a saint who is the patron of your particular line of work. For example, St. Martin de Porres is the patron saint of housekeepers, hairdressers/barbers, and veterinarians.