Deities, Angels, Spirits, Saints: Questions and Answers

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:23 am

If you feel out of your element when it comes to working with saints then why petition them? This is not in reference to you, but I"m always taken aback by people who work with saints but aren't Catholic, nor have any interest in Catholic folk-magic. It's a bit disconcerting to see saints treated as if they were some vending machine.

BestofLife, if you don't feel comfortable working with saints then do what conjurers have been doing for the past 2 centuries; traditional conjure. Get yourself a honey jar for sweetening interviewers, a Lodestone to draw work to you, and pray the Psalms, call on your Ancestors, and pray in Jesus' Name. You don't need any other deities or saints for conjure. Just a relationship with Spirit.

Unread post by **Priestess Divine** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:09 am

True ConjureMan Ali! I didn't even know what type of work Saint Joseph was petitioned for until spirit kept putting him all up in my face. Once I looked him up online I was like ah-ha that is why I'm being led this way. I am not catholic either so I was at a junction of which way to go. I think I will finish this work with him and move on to something else. I will ask to see why I was led this way too. Thank you!

Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:02 pm

What would be the best way to work with St. Lazarus? I have some scars I want to get rid of.

Unread post by **Jibrael** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:16 pm

A thought on the comment above about using or not using Catholic saints when you're not Catholic. One of the things I love about Hoodoo/Conjure is its immediacy; I don't need to wait on God or any other spirit to do it for me. With some roots/herbs, minterals, oils or powders, and so on, I can draw or repel what I want. So, petitioning a God or Saint isn't really necessary, especially if you don't want to, or don't feel drawn to.

That having been said, I found myself having St. Expedite (as someone else put it) 'shoved in my face by spirit' enough that I did petition him with some pretty immediate results. So he has a space at my Hoodoo working area now, and I plan to build a relationship with him. But I don't NEED to. And when I did decided to work with him, I was consciously choosing to build a relationship as well. If St. Joseph or some other saint is calling you, then build a relationship and petition away!

But there is no substitute for plain ole' doin' the work.

Unread post by **Lee Canipe** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:40 pm

Jibrael wrote:A thought on the comment above about using or not using Catholic saints when you're not Catholic. One of the things I love about Hoodoo/Conjure is its immediacy; I don't need to wait on God or any other spirit to do it for me. With some roots/herbs, minterals, oils or powders, and so on, I can draw or repel what I want. So, petitioning a God or Saint isn't really necessary, especially if you don't want to, or don't feel drawn to.

I'm afraid you are seriously mistaken. Everything in conjure comes from God. God made the plants and breathed power into them. God make the spirits and permits them to work with us. God created the people who are our ancestors and allows them to help us. Everything in conjure comes from God-- this is an extremely important aspect of the tradition.

Where I live it is quite common for a rootworker to ask a prospective client if they "Are saved?" or "Believe in the Bible?", and to refuse to take the case if the person answers in the negative (or tell them to go get baptized and come back!). Without faith in God you can't do nothing, with faith in God you can do anything. And no matter how many roots, oils, powders, honey jars, lodestones, or curios you use, if it's not the will of God it ain't gonna happen.

Lee Canipe #398 (G)

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:29 pm

Jibrael, What Lee Canipe said is right.

You may apply your theory of atheistic self-empowerment to your own private magical workings, of course, but you are spitting in the wind if you think you are going to change conjure practices around to suit your personal worldview or influence members of this forum to become God-less or Spirit-less on your say-so.

In your profile, you wrote, "My #1 interest is spirituality. I am a witch in the Feri Tradition, and I see everything through Feri Lenses. My spiritual interests include Vodou, Huna, Hoodoo, and Pow-Wow, just for starters. I am also a lover of poetry and the arts."

That's cool -- but i think that seeing "everything through Feri Lenses" is seriously clouding your vision of hoodoo.

When visiting in someone's home, it's a good idea to not to tell them how to practice religion or how to vote.

Now, i am going to try to settle this for you.

Here is a famous song about hoodoo. REALLY famous. It is called "Goin' To Louisiana {Mojo Hand}" and it is by the great Sam "Lightnin'" Hopkins of Texas. He recorded it commercially and sang it in concerts many, many times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cT-qamhI-g

And here is the same man, Lightnin' Hopkins, singing "Needed Time":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNAXLtfQd7Y

Play them one after the other until they make sense to you.

Mojo Hand. Needed Time. Mojo Hand. Needed Time.

There.

Now you are seeing "through HOODOO lenses."

Unread post by **Jibrael** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:29 am

I appreciate what was said. I've been reflecting on it (and the songs) before responding. Part of the problem was that I didn't communicate clearly, but that has provided me an opportunity to learn something that I'll have to set with for awhile. You've both said things that really affected me, and I wish I could make that clear in an online posting.

I didn't mean to imply that no God is involved; I was answering (like a couple others) the trend for many on this forum to assume that step 1 is finding the right saint, even if they don't really feel any need to call on a saint. I didn't mean, though, to imply an "atheistic" point of view. When asked if I believe in God (common here in Appalachia), I usually respond, "No... I believe in nothing but God." I take that omniprescence thing very seriously.

But I was still mistaken about something, and I'm glad it was brought up. Like I've said elsewhere, I've been surprised how Hoodoo keeps making me have to confront my Christian upbringing, and I've found myself praying (just praying) more this past couple months than in the years prior. And when I spoke of the immediacy of Hoodoo, I was speaking (though I didn't say so) of that idea that these tools in my hand come to me already empowered by my God. Its like the work already started. But I did also, without realizing it, fill in the gaps with the Feri teaching that serving the Gods means becoming your own fully actualized individual self. While I still believe that, I shouldn't have injected it here. Before first coming to LM I had taken some courses in Pow-Wow, and my teacher made it clear that nothing works without belief that a Higher Power exists and is capable of and willing to help. He also says that every work begins with asking the client, "Do you believe in God?" and turning down the work if they say "no" or they aren't sure. This direct kind of faith isn't something (honestly) that I've had since leaving Christianity, but I don't think its an accident that I'm drawn to systems that teach it. God is talking to me... and I hope I listen.

I'm still sorting it all out, and I'm grateful for the direct (and blunt) responses. I'll think far more carefully before advising others in the future, and remember that I'm still a student and a guest. I apologize for overstepping my bounds. You've given me some things to think and.. yes.. even pray about it. Rest assured I will.

Peace

Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:05 pm

What's the best way to work with St. Lazarus. I have some scars to get rid of.

Also I know St. Expedite likes pound cake and flowers as his offering. But how do I actually make the offering? Should I place it on the altar when petitioning him and then bury it in my front yard?

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:12 pm

Lee is absolutely right. It is common to hear conjure doctors say, "it aint me doing the work, but the Lord." We firmly believe that ALL our power comes from the Lord.

That said, my experience has been different than Lee's. I've never seen a conjure doctor turn away a client because of their religion, except in one case, but the man was a bit of a bigot. In fact, historically conjure doctors are seen as spiritual elders who welcomed the tired and down-trodden into their home regardless of creed, or race. That's right, African American conjure doctors would even work for people who only a generation before would have been slave-owners...

That said and though my experience is different than Lee's, it is undeniable that hoodoo is Christian and as such all the power of conjure comes from the Lord.

TheBestest · Unread post by **TheBestest** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:56 pm

I read somewhere that there is certain places you should pray at. Is it ok to pray to the Saints in your bedroom?

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:59 pm

Yes, you can pray anywhere, including your bedroom. Many of us have altars in our bedrooms.

TheBestest · Unread post by **TheBestest** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:12 pm

Mama Micki wrote:Yes, you can pray anywhere, including your bedroom. Many of us have altars in our bedrooms.

Ok great! Thanks

markx · Unread post by **markx** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:05 am

I've made a jar to attract spirits and used gravyard dirt and black arts powder, Now where would be good to bury this? other than a graveyard?

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:31 am

What is the purpose of your work? Why are you attracting the spirits? For what reason?

markx · Unread post by **markx** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:11 am

I want to have a note in a jar, and have spirits attracted to the note.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:52 am

A note? Like a petition paper? Why do you want them attracted to the note?

It's just hard to provide advice when you're not really giving us a clear picture of what it is you're trying to achieve.

markx · Unread post by **markx** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:40 pm

Yes a petition for their help.

Unread post by **perk590** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:34 pm

Good evening,

I am not trying to be mean, but depending on what you are seeking help with, there are easier ways to attract spirits to aid you other than using graveyard dirt and black arts powder. Please realize that there are spirits that specialize in all matter and areas of life. It just takes some research from you to find the one willing to work with you. And since you have provided no other information, we can not offer any more advice. Wish you the best.

A-D

markx · Unread post by **markx** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:16 am

It's for a binding love spell, I want to place the petition in a jar and attract spirits to the jar and petition to give me their help.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:52 am

Well, then you're going to need to ask for the spirit's help directly, and receive their approval, BEFORE doing any work. Just attracting spirit-attention to a petition does nothing, in and of itself. It's like standing on the corner ringing a bell hoping that it will attract the attention of someone to bring you a donut. Lots of people may be curious and come looking at why you're ringing the bell, but unless you let them know and ASK them if they'd be willing to bring you a donut - you're not very likely to get a donut by doing so!

There are also lots of different kinds of spirits, and you'll need to figure out what kind best suits your needs - graveyard, ancestral, plant, grimoire, etc. It seems that you're aiming for graveyard spirits since you're using graveyard dirt. However, the graveyard dirt from LM is from a specific set of spirits who have agreed to work for LM customers' various needs - it's a link to a SPECIFIC spirit. It's not a medium to attract graveyard spirits in general.

In conjure we work with specific spirits, not just try to attract random spirit attention and then hope one of them can help us. We make sure that the spirits we work with are willing and able to aid us before charging them with any work.

Since it seems from your questions that you're new to the practice of spirit-work, I would suggest that you start with a consultation with a professional rootworker who can help you discover what is the best means for you to get what you what. For instance there are MANY binding love spells out there that do not involve graveyard or other cthonic spirits (which are what would most likely be attracted by Black Arts), and some that do. I'm sure you can find a working that will be effective for your case, if it's justified, and well within your skill and knowledge set; or if it's outside of it, you can hire a worker to perform on your behalf.

Best of luck.

markx · Unread post by **markx** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:05 am

Ok so what your saying is, I need to get a bell and some donuts then ring the Bell and give the ghost a donut?

ha ha just kidding

What kind of spirit would usually do this kind of thing and how can I ask them?

I would like to try it myself, as I do want help in this situation, but I'm also interested in hoodoo in general.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:27 pm

If you'd like to learn this type of work, I would suggest that you contact one of the AIRR members to give you some magical coaching on the matter. That way you'll get instruction in exactly the type of work you're looking to learn, you'll get exact instructions for your needs, and you'll get mentored through the process. It will be the best possible way to learn!

Forest_Roots · Unread post by **Forest_Roots** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:32 pm

Well I would point out firstly that "djinn" is arabic and in the most common tongue just means spirit. They can be good or bad. I would advise you to get rid of it, no spirit should think it can just wander up to you. It is however your life and should you choose to not send it off, which I still advise, you will have to learn it's name. Make it know you are the boss and so on. It cannot be permitted to do whatever it chooses, that could get....well, complicated.

Either way good luck

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:52 pm

See here please:
protection-from-jinns-t7090s90.html

Also see this (New):
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/Djinn

Awesome!!! Conjureman ALi and Miss Cat:

http://readersandrootworkers.org/index. ... ureMan_Ali

http://readersandrootworkers.org/index. ... e_Yronwode

Great work!

Unread post by **Jinji** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:03 pm

Thanks to both of you,

It has been many months now and I have not felt the presence as strongly as before, but I do in fact think it is still here. Miss Tammie Lee you are correct, I should get a reading. I will do so and update this thread in the future. Thanks again for your replies.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:24 pm

Please don't go around trying to boss djinn. It is the quickest way to get your ass handed to you. Modern man's ego really is something. Unless you truly have spiritual authority either through a form of spiritual intiation, or through your connection to spirit, going around trying to boss spirits around or trying to exert a false authority will land you in trouble quite quickly.

Thank you to TammieLee for finding those links. In the link provided I give practical advice on how to handle djinn for the person who noticed a difference immediately after employing my advice.

If the djinn is dangerous you can use what is written there, if not then trying to drive it off is making an enemy for no reason.

Unread post by **Jinji** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:26 pm

Hi Conjure Man Ali,

Thanks for your post. I've actually been to your site a few times looking to see if you are offering a course on this type of being. But I will say that before going there, I will get a reading. I am sensing something and the fact is that I didn't really "consciously" think of a djinn until last fall. And I mean, prior to this I never even considered their existence one way or the other. I'm certainly not the type to boss people and I loved your post. Even if there were some spiritual authority/initiation here, I would not think to harness it to try and drive away this being. All I get is the vibe of wanting to help.

I am planning on attending the workshop in May, but am also looking forward to any course that you might offer in this arena.

markx · Unread post by **markx** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:20 am

What would be an easy and reliable method of sprirt communication, I tried a ouijia board but it doesn't do anything...

Unread post by **Papa Newt** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:47 am

I would invite you to check out the fantastic book Communing with the Spirits by Martin Coleman whch you can find it here.

Unread post by **aura** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:00 pm

You may also want to consider some magickal coaching by an AIRR member that regularly works with spirits. You can find one by looking at the page dealing with spirit work and/or mediumship:

http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/wi ... pirit_Work
http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/wi ... Mediumship

bedatcheeky80 · Unread post by **bedatcheeky80** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:42 am

Hi, I need some direction.

A few years back (probably about 8 years) I heard of contacting your Spirit Guides through meditation but when I began to meditate, I started to see horrible demonic images. I could for the life of me understand why it happened and because no one could help me, I stopped meditating. I'm a Charismatic Catholic and was told that spirit guides are unreliable and unholy. I couldn't continue with the technique anymore.

Is there a reason why I'm seeing these images when I'm meditating? Although I've read about Spirit Guides I need first hand knowledge from true practitioners who can assist me. I am writing here because I know I can get authentic answers from true practitioners who know what they are talking about.

I have read a bit about spirit guides, but I need someone who can give me an account of their experiences with them. I need to know if you can choose your Spirit guides and is there any way you can discern if they are good or bad spirits.

Thanks

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:34 am

The term Spirit Guides generally is used by members of Spiritualist churches, although it has been borrowed for use in more secular systems of practice as well.

To learn more about Spirit Guides, i suggest that you first read up on the history and practice of Spiritualism. We have some pages on this religion (of which i myself am a member) at the Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers site. If you click on these links and read the articles you may see where Spiritualism is coming from.

Category:Working Within the Spiritualist Tradition
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/C ... _Tradition

Category:Mediumship
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/C ... Mediumship

Category:Spirits and Spirit Guides
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/C ... rit_Guides

List of Spiritualist Organizations
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/L ... anizations

Lucky mojo makes three lines of products specifically aimed toward enhancing spiritual practice in a Spiritualistic or Spiritistic context, lthough they are completely secular in presentation and my be used by anyone, regardless of denominational adherence. . They are as follows:

OIL-HOO-INDI
Indian Spirit Guide Oil
$6.00

OIL-HOO-SPIR
Spirit Guide Oil
$6.00

OIL-HOO-PSYC
Psychic Vision Oil

$6.00

However, this is a religious matter, so it is essentially off-topic for discussion here.

Religious beliefs are personal, familial, and/or cultural and are not universally shared, even among all professing adherents of any given religion. We do not discuss people's religious beliefs in this forum because this is a forum for the study and practice of folk-magic.

Thanks for understanding.

bedatcheeky80 · Unread post by **bedatcheeky80** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:10 am

Thank you so very much Miss Cat. I'm definitely taking my time to familiarize myself with the information you have given me. Though it is something I believe I am still 'not ready' for, at least I'm not kidding myself and throwing caution to the wind and jumping head on to something that needs considerable preparation on my part.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:15 am

Sounds like you have a workable plan bedatcheeky80.

bedatcheeky80 · Unread post by **bedatcheeky80** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:41 am

Thank you jwmcclin.

I truly believe it is a responsible thing to do, I do not want to delve into spiritualism without first knowing I have the capacity to do so. To me, this isn't 'hocus pocus', CM Ali in his reading for me told me that due to my spiritual gifts, there's a natural tendency for spirits to be drawn to me but I first need to establish a protective ground than make way to practice my gift. I'm just following his advice

Thanks for the support everyone, it always helps.

dance · Unread post by **dance** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:30 pm

Hi

I am in Terrible need!!!

My ex husband is involved with a Morricain sorceress witch gypsy!!!

She wants my destruction!!!

She wants to kill my Son for money after my Exs death!

She holds all money (millions)!!

She has cursed me with Islamic curses Jinn demons!

No one can Help!!

Can you help!!

Unread post by **Mary Bee** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:44 pm

I would suggest contacting ConjureMan Ali at the Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers:

http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/in ... ureMan_Ali

He is known for dealing with Djinns and Middle Eastern sorcery.

Good luck,
Mary Bee

dance · Unread post by **dance** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:00 pm

Thank you for your suggestions!

I Need One -On - One personal cleansing
who out there Does exorscise djin, evil spirits

all of on going Ritual work from Morrocain Gypsy
her ppint is my Death so I cannot sustain all these curses and spirit tortureing

I don't need a candle to Uncross me but Trap all involved!!!!!! Help!!!!!!!

bedatcheeky80 · Unread post by **bedatcheeky80** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:27 pm

Mary is right. Consult CM Ali.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:36 am

I agree with the recommendation of CM Ali. If you can I would get some fiery wall of protection going for you and your son going. You can have a candle lit by the Missionary Independent Spiritual Church (MISC).

http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatcandleservices.html

jwalke12 · Unread post by **jwalke12** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:39 pm

Hello,

I'm a sex worker and was wondering if there are any deities, angels, spirits, or saints that I could call upon in a time of need? Somewhere on the internet I have heard that Saint Nicholas is the patron saint of prostitution, but I can't seem to find out much about it on lucky mojo (so I doubt whether or not he'd be pleased to hear me ask for help with something related to my job). St. Martha seems like a good first choice but I'm open to any other suggestions!

dance · Unread post by **dance** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:24 pm

I have been cursed by my ex husbands morrocain sorrcess. she got him. we divorced. She stole my only son away from me for 7 years.

She controls all my sons trust money. her name [DELETED -- BOARD MODERATOR]. so now that I am cursed and destitute I have the further burden to find Money to get Help to free me of all the curses !! How do you do this!! Find the money to be free? Loose everything once again to be free from the torment?

Do I sell my soul ..for some elses easier to destroy me? What is the way out without money!!!! Or do you die under the curse?

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:29 pm

Saint Martha is a tricky one. Some curanderas that I know call upon her to give domination over men and sometimes that means making them pay up, but she also is known as a virgin, so I don't know how common her use among sex-workers is.

I'm an old school worker so for me this is straight up Cleo May work, Jezebel root etc. I don't think in terms of saints..

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:35 am

St. Mary of Egypt was a prostitute, but gave it up later.

jwalke12 · Unread post by **jwalke12** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:26 am

ConjureMan Ali wrote:Saint Martha is a tricky one. Some curanderas that I know call upon her to give domination over men and sometimes that means making them pay up, but she also is known as a virgin, so I don't know how common her use among sex-workers is.

I'm an old school worker so for me this is straight up Cleo May work, Jezebel root etc. I don't think in terms of saints..

TBH I don't really think of saints either when I think of prostitution. Mostly I would like to find some sort of entity who would stay by my side and help keep me safe when I go out to meet clients, and who also wouldn't look down on me because of my job. Any suggestions?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:11 am

You can work with St. Martha to protect you. No she is not the saint of prostitutes but she can protect you and dominate men or anyone that you do not want to harm you.

If not then you may get a mojo bag for protection or get a piece of jewelry or even a pendant of St. Martha and dress it with protection oil.

Maybe you can get a reading to see if Saint Martha will help you in this manner.

www.readersandrootworkers.com

kyleskonjure · Unread post by **kyleskonjure** » Sat May 12, 2012 7:20 am

I've never worked with spirits, saints, or anything, but I'm very interested in working with angels, how would I go about getting started in this area?

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Sat May 12, 2012 7:28 am

Prayer - just starting praying to the angels you wish to work with. If you wish, you could also get a dressed candle dedicated to them, and make a small altar space devoted to them. But really all you need is prayer.

whistler2 · Unread post by **whistler2** » Sun May 13, 2012 8:38 pm

I have posted a novena to the thirteen blessed souls that I had used twice with great success, though 8 months apart. The first time I used it, I had results even before the novena was completed. The second time, it took about 2 to 3 weeks before I saw the result. I am contemplating attempting it once more for a matter that is completely different from the first two.

The question I have is would attempting it now be concidered rude, seeing as how my second evocation just completed not too long ago? I like this novena because it worked. But I don't want to annoy the Saints by making myself seem overly needy, however I do need help. Could I employ it once more, or should I ask for help from another Saint?

Unread post by **Mary Bee** » Mon May 14, 2012 1:47 am

I really don't see how you could "annoy" saints with a novena. It even says in the Bible, through a parable of Jesus, that the more you ask of God the more He will be inclined to give it to you. I'm referring to the parable of the widow who kept bugging the judge to settle her case, and he got so tired of her (he was not a nice guy) that he settled it in her favor. Jesus then said "How much more will your Father in heaven give to you if you ask it?"

Mary Bee

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Mon May 14, 2012 8:54 pm

The 13 blessed do no have to answer each and every request. This goes for other saints as well. In addition, it may take longer for them to work on your situation as well. So the best thing to do is perhaps get a check up reading to see if they want to work with you on this particular manner, and perhaps there may be something else they want you to do.

www.readersandrootworkers.com

whistler2 · Unread post by **whistler2** » Wed May 16, 2012 4:45 pm

starsinthesky7 wrote: perhaps there may be something else they want you to do.

A reading can tell you that..?

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Thu May 17, 2012 6:22 am

The parable about the persistant widow is found in Luke 18:1-8.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Sun May 20, 2012 11:05 am

A reading can tell you that..?

Divination, devotion, and prayer can, yes.

whistler2 · Unread post by **whistler2** » Sun May 20, 2012 6:19 pm

strange, why was my second post edited?

Anyway, I am 7 days into this novena. weird things are going on, so i might just get that reading.

Cheers, everyone

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Mon May 21, 2012 1:39 am

You're post was probably edited because you went against the board rules, or for clarity reasons. In any case, I hope everything works out for you.

Kittyluver · Unread post by **Kittyluver** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:17 pm

I have been coming across a lot of directions that mention to ask the spirits but I don't understand.

For instance, there was a contact me spell I found somewhere in these forums that used sage and sweet grass and I was told to ask the spirits to send my message.

I didn't really know what to say. I basically said spirits of this sage please send my message to johndess doe. Do you think that was too impersonal? Is there a specific spirt of the sage that I should know about?
Johndess doe never called and it's been weeks.

Same goes for spirits of candles and TABACCO I want to try another one with the brown candle and TABACCO but I'm not quite sure how to ask the spirits. ....... If this question has already been asked feel free to direct me to the question. I have no problems reading as I am pretty much on this site 12 hours a day

Thanks in advance

Unread post by **Doctor Hob** » Wed May 23, 2012 10:46 pm

Herbs, roots, and other items used in hoodoo have a spiritual energy that resonates with certain uses. This is why we use certIn ingredients for certain types of work. You want to treat these herbs with respects, as they are a gift from whatever you want to think of the higher power as. Hoodoo is rooted in a Protestant Christian background, so that power is often defined as "God". If you are comfortable with that tradition, your calls to Spirit can be prayers, calling on God to see your work done. If you are not a Christian, or are uncomfortable with that tradition, you can simply call to Spirit, or to the specific spirits of your ancestors, if you work with the dead.

You can encourage the herbal components of a spell to work for you, speaking to each part as you assemble and work with them, but your final call, the casting of the spell, should be to something higher, or beyond, however you define that.

Unread post by **Papa Newt** » Thu May 24, 2012 8:22 am

Nicely said Mister Hob.

Kittyluver · Unread post by **Kittyluver** » Thu May 24, 2012 10:53 am

Thank you Mr Hob

I see more clearly now