Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour #08-06: Ghosts and Evil Spirits (Miss Cat, Dr. Kioni)

[MissMichaele]

April 9, 2008

LIVE SESSION: RIDDING OF GHOST AND EVIL SPIRITS
with client Jay

[MUSIC INTRO: Jug Band Waltz by Will Shade and the Memphis Jug Band]

[DR. KIONI introduces MISS CAT, client, and nature of case]

DR. KIONI: Tonight we have a very special guest, professional Life
Coach Tanisia Mooney of Northern California, along with her client ...
How are you doing, Miss Cat?

MISS CAT: We've had a very nice day. We had our monthly staff
meeting, and decided we needed to do some cleansing and protection
work because of a little interpersonal event in our shop. And now
we're ready to move on.

Tanisia, it's so wonderful to have you on the show. Not everyone
knows this, but Tanisia used to work at Lucky Mojo, and she's a
(post-graduate) student of mine. Now she has set up as a reader and root doctor, and every now and then she'll drop in and work with us for a day just to keep us happy, because that's the best way to visit with me and actually get some of my time, because I'm always working. So if you call the shop on the weekends, at random intervals, you just might get Tanisia on the line.

[Exchange of greetings between Dr. Kioni, MISS CAT, and Miss Tanisia]

MISS CAT: I've known you for a bunch of years, and to see you grow
from some one who keeps her head down and listens to someone who can
actually go out there and do the work makes me very happy. Now, you
brought your client, so perhaps you could tell us a little bit about
that client and what you have talked about.

[Dr. Kioni begins shuffling cards]

MISS TANISIA: I met Jay back in September 2007. At first we were
concerned mostly about business troubles, working to bring more
clients into her school and daycare center. But as the case went
along and we got to know each other over the next couple months --
because I work in different modalities that she is familiar with and
that I'm familiar with -- not many people know that I do long-distance
energy work and a technique called the Emotional Freedom Technique; I
also do regular spiritual life coaching for people trying to get
through transitional phases -- but it quickly became apparent that
there was a little more going on than met the eye. I'm going to let
Jay tell more about that.

JAY: Thank you very much for having me on the show. Miss Tanisia is a
wonderful, wonderful person, and she has been a life-support for me.
Here is my story in a nutshell:

In 2003, I moved into my new home. I had two other properties which I
own, and I was financially doing fairly well. Since I moved into this
house, everything somehow just started falling apart. I even lost
about $140,000 on my investment properties. After that, one thing
after another started falling apart in the house. One day it would be
the freezer, the next day the TV, the third day the groceries -- that
is, I would cook dinner, put it on the counter, go bathe my daughter,
and when I came back it would be rotten. It just kept happening over
and over, and at first when I told people, "I was crazy." But it just kept happening over and over.

I kept getting flies in the house. And I would have a pantry full of
groceries, and everything would be rotten in a week's time. I had to
throw away two or three garbage bags' worth of groceries several
times. The flies just kept getting worse and worse in the house.

I believe in feng shui-ing my house, so I hired a consultant to help
me with feng shui. I put up a mirror behind the West counter, and it
just cracked into pieces for no apparent reason; that really scared
me. One day I come home and my entire family room was covered with
about 300-plus dead flies. If I could, I would've left my home that
very second. I was scared beyond belief.

By birth, I'm Hindu, from India. So I called my parents and they
consulted some spiritual gurus in India at that point. They
recommended some rituals like, kind of mopping my house out with
water. And I know a lady who does spiritual cleansings; she
recommended that I say a prayer with salt water.

Things calmed down after that. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't 100%
[cured]. But it did calm down. After that, around 2007, in June, I
bought my business. It was like a fairy tale, how the deal came to
me, and it was perfect. Everything was going well, but come
September, everything started repeating. Everything started falling
apart in the school [daycare center], just the way it was happening at
home. New enrollment stopped coming in, and then existing kids
started leaving. There were fights [among the children]; there were
problems with the physical structure of the building; everything just
-- felt like it was happening all over again.

MISS CAT: Did you have any more flies a second time?

JAY: No, no flies.

However, right after that I visited my parents in India, and
experienced exactly the same thing -- except the flies. Wherever I
go, I take it with me. However, it was better at home, so I didn't
think much of it.

However, by August [2007], I was getting really nervous, because the business was not picking up as it should have; that's the season for schools. So I called Lucky Mojo, and they recommended Tanisia to me. She recommended a spiritual bath for me. Things started getting better again in January [2008]. But I'm back in the cycle as of the end of February. I can tell as if a switch goes on and off in my life.

MISS CAT: I'm going to ask a couple of questions. I'm sure Tanisia
has asked you these before, but let me ask, because I'm new here. Do
you have any enemy that you know?

JAY: Not that I'm aware of, no.

MISS CAT: Anybody who might be jealous of you?

JAY: I don't think so.

MISS CAT: Anybody whom you owed money to, or who might do something to you because you took their lover, or any other reason at all?

JAY: As far as I know, no.

MISS CAT: OK. Usually, when we see things like this, we do a
divination to try to determine where the problem is coming from.

The next question I want to ask is about the land where the daycare
center is -- and this may sound like feng shui to you, but I'm asking
it for a slightly different reason; and yet it comes out of a more
American idea. The land where your daycare center was built, and the
land where your house was built -- do you know what had been there before?

JAY: Where my house was built, there used to be an open-air movie
theater many years ago; it was built in the mid-to late 80s [1980s --
MCM]. It's a townhouse complex. I do know the answer for the daycare
center.

MISS CAT: OK. I asked because, in cases like this, where there is no
known enemy, the reason may be that the land itself is haunted.

JAY: I have been told (by the spiritual person in India), that the
house I live in has really "bad elements" in it. At this point, I am
on the verge of foreclosure, as I am trying to sell it. And I'm not
getting anywhere with that either.

MISS CAT: I have a feeling -- and, again, I'm just going by my own
intuitive, psychic sense -- and we'll have to ask Dr. Kioni about the
divination -- Doctor, do you see an enemy? Do you see something wrong
with the house? Let us hear what cards you cast.

DR. KIONI: Interesting group of cards here. I was hoping you guys would talk little longer and give me a few more moments.

MISS CAT: Oh, we can talk longer, because I have more questions, if
you'll allow me.

DR. KIONI: Yes, please do, and come right back to me.

JAY: Tanisia can probably explain better -- she did a card reading for
me. Tanisia, can you explain where the man with -- I guess, a knife
behind him -- came in?

MISS TANISIA: Though Miss Cat has lauded my abilities and my growth as
a practitioner, I still defer to my spiritual elders who know a little
bit more than I did. Being a newbie, I will say that I have done
readings where things were fine; or where things were not fine and it
was clear what was happening. But the phenomenon I experienced when I
did my reading with Jay that night was rather scary.

We were trying to get a specific three-card reading of the status of
her situation. And no matter how much I shuffled, no matter what deck
I used, I would put three cards down and they would all be some
combination of negatives. Frequently I would get the Three of Swords,
the Ten of Swords, the Tower -- sometimes the Death card, but not
always. But [always,] some combination of very dire cards.

MISS CAT: And you used multiple decks to do this, two decks or more?

MISS TANISIA: That's correct.

MISS CAT: I'm just curious: what decks did you use?

MISS TANISIA: My base deck, the one I always use, is my Rider-Waite
deck. My backup is my Crowley Thoth deck.

MISS CAT: That's interesting. I happen to know that you have both
those decks. That's why I ask. This brings up something I'd like to
make a little side note on -- which is that those decks are about as
different as they can be. The symbolism and meanings are similar, but
the imagery, the way [each deck] looks, the pictures and the feelings
that people have about them -- most people will not use both those
decks. You are an unusual person. The fact that you use both those
decks and got similar cards, and sometimes the same cards -- repeater
cards -- is significant. Those decks are so different that I would not have expected that. The situation is trying to hammer you in the head -- "Yes, listen to me! This is what's going on!" Now let's hear what Dr. Kioni got with his cards.

DR. KIONI: Well, it's always nice to have a little bit of a challenge,
a little bit of a mystery, and Jay, your case certainly provides that. It's not unsolvable, for sure. There's always a way.

[The card representing the Past: not discussed]

The Present: The Tower. Normally this indicates tremendous upheaval, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. In this particular case, of course, for the worse.

The Future: Knight of Swords.

The Outcome: The Emperor.

The Future and Outcome cards give me the first impression that this is
a family matter. Now, more cards laid out -- and I had to lay out 16
cards to get a picture of what's going on, since I've never talked to
or met you before, and this is a cold read -- the feeling here is
that there was some kind of relationship taking place with a male
member in the family. I am daring to say that it was Father, because
of the Emperor card here, and because of the Father [King] of Wands
being reversed against the Daughter [Knight] of Swords, which is you.*

The feeling with the Hierophant card in the future [of the second spread], along with the Chariot card (reversed) in the future [of the third spread], would tell me that a relationship got out of hand. I'm inclined to feel that this could be some kind of business or legal transaction, because the Emperor is here along with the Hierophant -- as opposed to some type of romantic relationship.

In the future [of the fourth spread], you have the Ten of Stones [Pentacles], reversed, with the Seven of Pentacles [or rather, Stones] opposite it.

Tremendous upheaval -- upsetting of foundations -- and this energy
seems to have been projected unfairly, and not just at the principal,
whom I am identifying here as a male, but it seems to have been
projected unfairly here at the offspring as well -- and that's the
energy that I'm picking up here. This isn't really your battle, it's
not really your fault, but you've been caught in the crosshairs of
something that has been thrown.

JAY: That's interesting. Does that mean that something that my father
did, somewhere, is being thrown on me?

MISS CAT: Or it could be an enemy that your father had, or --

JAY: I'm sorry -- I don't mean to interrupt you -- but my sister is
also struggling with her finances. Now that you mention it, it does
make sense. Both of us sisters struggle very hard to do what we want
to in life, and there's never a reward.

MISS CAT: Tell us about your father, because he [Dr. Kioni] is assuming that it's your father -- your father or another male figure in your family who was involved in business: does he have an enemy?

JAY: My father worked a nine-to-five job, and he worked in the same
company for 30 years. As a child, I remember only that it was a very
happy-go-lucky family. I don't remember, or don't know of, any enemies
that he would have.

DR. KIONI: I do get a hint here, Cat, that yes, this is the father;
I'm confident in that analysis.

MISS CAT: So this is what you would perhaps call a multi-generational
curse; by cursing one person, it also hits the next generation.
That's a common type of curse. We sometimes call it a "collateral
damage" type of curse. Maybe that happy-go-lucky type of life was
something that somebody else just saw and wanted and was jealous of,
but for some reason, they said, "Your happiness is upsetting to me and
I want your family to suffer."

JAY: Who would do such a mean thing?

MISS CAT: Who? Crazy people do it all the time. People call me and
ask me to do it for other people! I've also had a number of clients
who have been in a similar situation.

[Card shuffling resumes]

MISS CAT: I don't mean to typecast you here, but I've seen this
particularly among people who are recent immigrants to the United
States. Right now I'm working with a man from Nigeria, and the same
thing has happened to his family. He came to America, his brother
went to a country in Europe, and they both did well at first. They
sent for the father, then sent for the mother; everything prospered
much better than it had in Nigeria. Those who were left behind in
Nigeria actually went and had a curse put on them! Because they had
risen "too high," they felt. So now their fortunes are reversed;
they're having some of the very same types of difficulties that you're
having, financially. But in their case, they know who in Nigeria did
it; it was a family member who was known to have consulted a sorcerer.

So there are cases like this that I have heard before, and they often
do involve one part of the family rising higher. When you say that
you had several properties -- this is much more than the average
person in America; most people don't even own one property. You were
doing very well, and it's a source of jealousy. I would think that is
what Dr. Kioni is pointing at, as I understand it.

JAY: Interesting.

MISS CAT: Now, I want to talk about the house itself being situated in
a bad place. Dr. Kioni, could you, maybe, do a cut on that, because
there's something there -- something about those flies -- that's just
so off the map, and yet it speaks to where that house is located.

DR. KIONI: OK. I'm going to use a different tool for divination on
this one. I'm going to use our Queen Elizabeth root here -- Queenie --

MISS CAT: This is a pendulum made from a Queen Elizabeth root.

DR. KIONI: Right. I will be speaking to my spirit of divination and
inquiring as to whether this property is defiled. By a dark muerto,
dark spirits. Nfumbe...

[Dr. Kioni speaks a short prayer, not in English, that includes some
Arabic phrases]

Is the house that the client, Jay, lives in, filled with dark muerto,
dark spirits? what say you, spirit of divination? [Pause as the
pendulum reacts] "Yes."

MISS CAT: OK, I want to tell you that I have a little pendulum here, a
little plumb-bob pendulum made of a beautiful stone that is called
unakite. It's green, mossy green, and a kind of a dark rose pink.
And I got the same answer!

[A shared chuckle]

MISS CAT: I was following along silently. I begin by asking,
"Pendulum, will you work for me now?" And it says "Yes." And I stop
it. Then I say, "Is the house haunted? Are there dark spirits in the
house? Is the house built on a site that was cursed, or a graveyard
or something, before it became this drive-in? is there something wrong
with the house?" And I got the same thing, it just went "Yes." It said, "Yes," very clearly. So we have two pendulums saying the same thing, agreeing on this across the country!

MISS TANISIA: Let's make it unanimous! I have a quartz crystal
pendulum on this side, and I work with pendulums a lot in my practice.

MISS CAT: So you're using, like, a clear or milky quartz crystal?

MISS TANISIA: Clear quartz.

MISS CAT: OK. I like to mention what forms of divination we use,
because some people listening want to learn from us, too. So now we
have three pendulums that agree that there is something wrong with the
house.

I don't often venture off into -- but sometimes I do get an image, or, you know what they say, "Spirit says to say it" -- Yes, the house was built on the site of a drive-in; yes, drive-in was built on the site of something else. At that something else is what's underneath. And that something else didn't like being paved in the first place! And now it's just -- worse.

I would be surprised if other houses in that area don't also have some
problems. They might be called ley-line problems, where it would show
up in houses in a certain line with each other, or the entire area
itself. I just have a very strong image of the very angry spirit
[Laughs] that didn't like the drive-in, and doesn't like the houses.

MISS TANISIA: I wanted to ask right quick: Jay, do you know of any
other neighbors, or any other houses in your neighborhood that are
being sold, similar to yours?

JAY: I know that a few houses were foreclosured, even when the market
was doing really well, even when the real estate market was fantastic
here. In the same complex.

MISS CAT: Yeah. I have the sense that there's something underlying --
and I don't --

JAY: I just want to add one more thing. The same gentleman who told
me the house was bad [also] told me that my daughter's bedroom is the
worst in the entire house. I told Tanisia this a couple weeks ago.

I had a problem in my bedroom because my bed broke, so I had to go sleep in my daughter's room -- my husband, my daughter, and I, three of us.

All three of us had some problem or other. We got sick; my husband
was hospitalized: my daughter had to be taken to the doctor. With all
the stress, I was just losing it.

MISS CAT: Yeah. This is a classic haunted house [Laughs]. Not a
haunted house in the classic British sense, that there is a delicately
pale ghost wandering around making comments. This is more of an
"angry native spirit" type situation. That's what I'm getting at.
That's my read on it. A spirit of someone wronged. And the bed
breaking -- that's classic, honey.

Cleansing the house, like you said, stops it for a while, but it's
deeper than just a cleansing will handle.

Jake: Yes. I agree.

MISS CAT: So the house is going into foreclosure and you're trying to
sell it. Let me just quickly tell you that a good way to sell a house
is to use St. Joseph, and I don't know if you --

JAY: I tried that.

MISS CAT: What?

JAY: I did that.

MISS CAT: You did that?

JAY: Nothing has happened. It's been more than a month and a half. I
also took Tanisia's suggestion and -- help me out here -- Papa ... Lugba?

MISS TANISIA: Papa Legba.

I suggested that she go to the crossroads and bring an offering to
Papa Legba to help open the way for her to be rid of this house. I
told her to take an offering of peanuts or Corn Nuts, black coffee, and cigarettes or some sort of tobacco, and leave it at the crossroads
before sunrise, and just petition Papa Legba, "I bring this to you as
a gift. I need your assistance with this situation."

MISS CAT: And still no results, right?

MISS TANISIA: Nope.

MISS CAT: The house is definitely its own problem. There's two things
going on here in your life, in my opinion. Would you agree, Dr. Kioni?

DR. KIONI: Yes, I do agree with that. I'm sitting here, thinking,
"OK... kind of like [the movie] 'The Money Pit.' You know, you've got
something here that you really, really, really need to get rid of
before it gets rid of you!

MISS CAT: Yeah. I think that there are two things going on here: one
is the situation having to do with jealousy which has caused a
reversal of fortune for both you and your sister -- the idea that
there is something hampering your growth -- the Tower [card, in the
divination above]. I am also seeing that the house itself is a
problem. If you were rid of the house, you'd be rid of 50% of your
problem -- maybe 75% of your problem.

I don't usually try to spin out a spooky story, but if I told you what
I was feeling about this house [laughs], you would think I was a
novelist! I have a very strong feeling about this one, and I don't
usually speak up on these things. I don't try to get involved in
narratives of that type, but I have a very strong feeling that an
injustice was committed on that location, and the people who live in
that area will always be unfortunate. So that's your problem.

You are from India. Papa Legba is not the same at all, but he is in
some ways similar to -- asked for similar favors -- as Ganesha. He is
also an opener of the way.

JAY: Right.

MISS CAT: So I would also ask, possibly, for you to work with that,
since that is a deity whom you have a firm knowledge of, and Ganesha
is the one who removes obstacles. And so I would make an offering --
and you certainly know more about this, honey, then I would -- but I
was always told by my Indian friends to offer him milk. And those
little sweet buns that he likes, you know.

JAY: OK.

MISS CAT: [Laughing]: You know what I'm talking about?

JAY: Yes.

MISS CAT: [Still laughing]: What is the name of those sweet buns?

JAY: Well, the part of India where I come from, they're known as
modakas.** They're made out of coconut and jaggery*** and rice flour.

MISS CAT: You know exactly what I'm talking about. Now, I was told
that that was a deity who would remove obstacles. Now, I didn't ask
-- you're from India, you may not follow that religion or practice,
but it is something that would be familiar to you.

JAY: No, I am Hindu, and I actually did go to a local temple, and I
did the offering. Somebody told me to say a certain type of prayers
in a ritualistic type of way, for 40 days -- I even did that. Everything -- in the last 3 1/2 to four years, name it and I've done.

People think that I'm losing it! Somebody told me to wear a gem, I
wore it. Somebody told me to say this prayer, that prayer, fast, wear
red, wear blue, don't wear this -- I mean -- you name it and I've done
-- and, as I've said before, it calms down for a couple months, and it
starts. It's just -- I mean, I was having a nervous breakdown, day
before yesterday when I told Tanisia this.

MISS TANISIA: Yeah, she really has done absolutely everything. I
mean, she even -- how many square feet is your daycare center, Jay?

JAY: About 10,000 square feet.

MISS TANISIA: She mopped her entire daycare center. At first we
thought, "OK, let's mop the front stoop for bringing in more clients."
She did the protection wash, she did the prosperity wash on the
entire facility by herself.

MISS CAT: See, The daycare center, that's the money drawing situation.
That's different than what's with the house. But I see the house as
like that movie "The Money Pit" -- Kioni's description is accurate --
it's sucking you down. And you're going to have to get out from under
that house. The energy from the house -- when someone tells me "My
bed broke," red flags just go up! You know, your bed is your safe place!

Your bed broke, so you went to sleep in the worst room in the house,
and then everybody gets sick -- you know, that's not good.

Now, when one has an ongoing situation like this, one of the things --
as you noticed -- is that cleansings bring relief, but only for short
bit of time. It's sometimes hard to think, "That's all I can get out
of that situation right now." But it may be that for right now, you
will need to do some sort of thing and continue it on, whatever sort
of protection form that you prefer -- and you've tried so many! I
like 13-Herb Bath, I like Uncrossing Crystals, I like Fiery Wall of
Protection -- and just do them on an ongoing basis.

As far as the money drawing, you're going to have to do different
spells for the daycare center. Don't connect these two things. They
are different in your life.

JAY: For the daycare, I did Fast Luck, and Success -- both spells from
Lucky Mojo.

MISS CAT: And have you had any good luck with the daycare center?

JAY: I have some, but like I told you, two months will be fine, and
two months of nightmare. And this is the cycle for the past four years.

MISS CAT: Well, I would keep up with what works, even if it only works
for two months [at a time], then I would do it again. I would
consider that right now you're under some sort of a cloud. The
question is -- we know the house has a problem. You have to get out
from under the house, and it may mean taking a financial loss on the
house.

JAY: I am putting it [on the market at] under market value, saying
it's as-is, make your best offer and we will take. People do come in,
but just -- nobody buys it. I don't know what to do to even sell it
at this point, and one solution is that we just call a mortgage
person, and just hand them the key and walk away.

MISS TANISIA: Which a lot of people have been doing these days.

JAY: Which is going to hurt my credit, but I guess, in the long run,
it's not a bad thing.

MISS CAT: I can't be your financial advisor.

JAY: Right. But is there anything I can do to help me sell it?

MISS CAT: What you're doing is strong stuff already. I mean, you've
had people walking the place; you've had the feng shui consultant on
the property; everyone is telling you the same thing. When you go
from person to person and you hear the same thing from every person,
and you put up a feng shui mirror to repel bad influences and it
breaks, and your bed breaks, the work of anybody, everybody's work, is
breaking against this spirit.

What do you think about this, Dr. Kioni?

DR. KIONI: First of all, let me ask: have you done any cleansing of
yourself and your premises with dogwood tree bark?

JAY: No.

DR. KIONI: No. And what about mate tea -- M-A-T-E?

MISS CAT: Mate' -- yerba mate'.

DR. KIONI: Mate' tea. Have you used that?

JAY: No.

DR. KIONI: OK. All right.

JAY: I've only done two [kinds of] cleansings: one was saltwater
cleansing, that I did with my house; the second one, someone told me
to do clove and pepper in the water, and cleanse the house with that.

For myself, I've done the cleansing that Tanisia has told you to do,
with the basil and bay leaf.

DR. KIONI: OK. Let me make a recommendation to you -- and you can
find more information on this kind of thing in the book "The Art of
Necromancy" by Martin Coleman (Cat, you know who that is):

A very strong tea made of mate' and dogwood tree bark will help to
tremendously lock down that vibration that you're experiencing in your
home. You'll have to wipe down all the surfaces. Again, it is a
major, major cleaning job. You can also use it to bathe with
yourself, with the addition of tobacco, ground deer antler, and some
of Cat's Uncrossing Incense.

MISS CAT: Uncrossing Bath Crystals, if she's going to wash.

DR. KIONI: OK. I'm thinking of making an incense now, for fumigation. Adding ground deer antler will really, really, really help to drive
this thing out. You need something really sharp and pointed, and the
ground deer antler mixed in --

[Faint muttering in the background]

DR. KIONI: Hello?

MISS CAT: She [Jay] is asking: [Ground deer antler] for both the bath
and the incense?

DR. KIONI: For the incense. But, you know, you can walk yourself
through the incense [smoke], you know, use the incense around your body.

JAY: OK. So, make the incense of tobacco, ground deer antlers, and...

DR. KIONI: Cat' s Uncrossing Incense. That's going to be a very
effective combination. Maybe her person and cleanse the house [with
the combination of yerba mate', dogwood bark, and Uncrossing Bath
Crystals]. Also, if you're having problems with your car, motor
vehicles, cleanse them with the same solution and fumigate them as well.

There are quite a few more remedies in that book -- I can't find it
right now. I like that particular remedy, and I use it here. There
are some other herbs that I use for this purpose, but they are not
hoodoo-specific herbs. Since the show is specifically about hoodoo,
I'll refrain from adding those particular herbs on the table here
tonight, but if you get this book and go through it, I think you're
going to find some great information there to help you.

You have a genie, a djinni, with you.

MISS CAT: That's what I'm feeling -- that's what it's like, there's a
spirit there.

DR. KIONI: I asked, while you guys were talking, and I kept getting
hit after hit after hit. Yes, she has a djinni with her. In addition
to cleansing where you are and getting out of there, that thing has to
be trapped. And that's going to require your having someone to do
work for you that knows how to remove it from you, attract it to
something else, and trap it. Because that's the only way you're going
to get rid of it. It's been assigned to you.

Jay [very difficult to hear]: If I leave the house, will it follow me?

DR. KIONI: Say again?

MISS CAT: She's asking: If she leaves the house entirely, will she
leave it behind?

DR. KIONI: No. I think there is no coincidence here; that she was
drawn to a house that has a problem, because "misery loves company."
And I think these two energies -- the djinni is generational, as Cat
has called it. And the energy that is with the house -- I think the
two are magnetic, they have been kind of pulled together to form what
appears to be an impenetrable force.

But I believe that once you leave the house, that is part of the
problem, as Cat has said. And I think you're going to see some relief
from those paranormal occurrences happening on the inside of your
living space. But you're still going to have difficulties as to hard
luck, bad luck -- all of that, because, as I said, it is attached to
you. And that's what needs to be removed. But as long as you're in
that place, it's like the two energies are playing off of each other,
and they're strengthening each other. Make sense?

MISS CAT: Yeah. It does to me too. Like I said, I see two different
things here. The financial issues playing into the house, you know,
is kind of actually in your favor, because if you kept the house you'd
be in really bad shape: emotionally, spiritually, physically and
healthwise. Losing the house may be the best thing that can happen,
because it will get you away from whatever that was. You may never
know what that was. My feeling is that it's a very old, old energy.

[Card shuffling resumes]

MISS CAT: I keep coming back to a Native American -- it's something
Native American.

The thing that's around your luck, and around your family luck, I see
as being, as Dr. Kioni said, more like a djinn. There are people who
do this for a living -- and you can look them up on the Internet --
who will trap a djinn for you.

One of our associates, Susan Leybourne, does that sort of work. She's in England, but she actually flies around the world, trapping demons for people in their homes and on their person. And she's one of the few people I know who does it, and does it well. But there are others, and it's a kind of a -- in some of Martin Coleman's books, he mentions some of these ideas about luring a spirit out of a house, and so forth.

Unfortunately, your house spirit is not going to be lured, because it
is already native to the land. It's not about the house; it's about
the land. Though that's a whole other issue.

I have a feeling that what you are going to need to do, for now, is to
consider this a chronic condition, and you're going to have to treat
it in the way that people treat a chronic condition. In other words,
repeat the remedy. Repeat the remedy when you have an outbreak. It
would be like a person who has an autoimmune disease, like psoriasis,
for example. They have an outbreak, they treat it, it goes away, it
comes back. This is something that's endemic in this house. You can
fix, and fix, and fix, but it's going to come back as long as you're
in the house.

The financial things may break loose. I think it's much easier to
break loose of that. That is this other -- what [Dr. Kioni] was
perceiving as an evil spirit that was sent to give you all a hard
time. And they are working side by side, hand in hand.

JAY: How do I get rid of that generational curse?

MISS CAT: That's actually an easier thing to do. First of all, you
would want to do some divination. And if you can't even get a name,
you can sometimes get a name spelled out with a pendulum or Ouija
board. It might not even be a word that you understand. But once you
have some kind of idea of what caused it or who caused it --
sometimes, in talking to a client, it takes a while; but all of a
sudden the client will say, "Oh, yes, that woman who wanted to marry
my grandfather, and who was a friend of my grandmother, and now she's
still angry after 85 years." Or, "hen she died, but she put a curse on the family" -- that kind of thing. It can take a while to learn
exactly where the suckers come from.

I trust Kioni when he says that it came through your father's lineage. That doesn't necessarily mean it was a curse on your father; it might
have come through your father's father. But there's some curse on the
male lineage of your family. And [Dr. Kioni]'s reading this through
the Knight, the Emperor, and these other male [Tarot] cards.

Now, that kind of thing can often be placated, in the way that a
nature spirit or Native American spirit is not going to be placated
(that's the house spirit). These others can often be placated with an
offering. I have often seen them given a small altar and told,
"Here's where you live and here's where you do your work."

Now, that does remind me of another thing, too, which I have seen used
with houses -- and you might want to try it; I'm not going to say that
I think it'll work, because I think this house thing is totally
locked-in, and ain't gonna go anywhere. But people in Thailand make
spirit houses -- do you know what I'm talking about?

JAY: No.

MISS CAT: In Thailand, when you build a house, you make a small house
called a spirit house. It's a miniature house, but it's very pretty;
it's like a little temple. And it's put outside the house, so the
spirits that were displaced now have a place to go. And offerings are
put there, usually oranges or tangerines. It's to give the spirits of the and a place to go.

Martin Coleman talks about doing something similar in your closet. He
says if you're living in an apartment, and you're leasing it, so you
can't leave, you draw the spirit with offerings to the closet, and
then you just close the closet door. And you say, "Live in the closet
now."

JAY: Wow. And what is the name of this book? Martin Coleman's book?

DR. KIONI: Yes. I just found it: "Communing with the Spirits: the
Magical Practice of Necromancy." And if I may, I'll just follow up on
the suggestions I gave just now --

One of the things I was sharing with you was the use of mate' tea and
dogwood tree bark. He gives further indications of using one cup of
river water and one stick of cinnamon to one cup of mat� tea and one
cup of dogwood tea, 1 cup of vodka or 1 cup of ethyl rubbing alcohol.

You can keep this in the refrigerator up to a week at a time, and you
need to add a piece of red cotton thread about 3 inches long to it.
Now, half a cup of this mixture can be used in the bathtub for your spiritual bath. The rest can be used to sprinkle and to clean
with as well.

Now, there is some additional information here in regards to using the
mate' tea. You can grind and sift it into a fine powder, along with
dogwood bark powder. You can place them in a quincunx pattern, a
five-spot point pattern, like you see on dice, in your home. And this
will have the ability of disorienting the spirits that are there. OK? It has the same effect on negative spirits as alcohol has on human
beings -- it makes them drunk!

And, of course, this powder that you are putting in the corners of
your bedroom -- don't forget the camphor in the corners, as well as a
glass of water on the nightstand with camphor in it. These should work.

And you can use the dried mate' tea and dogwood bark as well, and I
would say mix it with some of the deer's antler. Burn it as an
incense as well, to fumigate the house and to fumigate yourself.
Those are some of some of the remedies that are given in this book.
There are quite a few here, but this is in dealing with spirits that
are hanging around, you want them out and you command them to leave,
you command them to go -- and you should have some relief. I've given
these recipes to a lot of people, and they have been helped by them.

MISS CAT: I liked your earlier suggestion, too, of using a little
pinch of tobacco, because, again, I do believe there's some Native
American thing going on here. That's a good offering in that direction.

You can buy mate' tea at many herb stores. It's a stimulant. And
flowering dogwood is a plant that grows all around Asia and North
America; I'm not sure if you know what it is, but it has four petals
and it opens up in the spring. It's a very beautiful tree. Dogwood
trees are very powerful, sacred trees, very beautiful in their form of
growth. And they shed a very, very peaceful, opening sort of spirit
-- you'd just have to be around dogwood trees, and you would know what
I'm talking about.

DR. KIONI: Right. Of course we didn't address talking to the spirit
that is there.

MISS CAT: That's another thing Martin Coleman recommends.

DR. KIONI: Right: asking what it wants, why it was disturbed -- because, Cat, when you were talking about constructing a spirit house,
that was one of the things I, too, was thinking: determining from the
spirit if it would be willing to leave the main residence and live in
the spirit house -- or given the things it desires, such as some type
of food offering or whatever, you know, to appease it. So that is
another option for dealing with the spirit, because oftentimes you can
dislodge them; you can bargain with them and give them another habitation.

MISS CAT: Yeah. I've had success with that myself; and I've seen it
work unconsciously, you might say, and I've seen it work through
spirit mediation. And I always give, as my favorite example, our
friend Miss Robin, who moved into a very beautiful house in Berkeley,
and for reasons she could not describe, began collecting water
fountains. She has many water fountains. Little water wheels, drip
fountains, they have little pumps in them -- they're beautiful! So
she has a whole collection of water fountains. Now, I said, "Miss
Robin, you must always have had water fountains."

"No," she said, "I never collected water fountains until I moved into
this house."

And then one day I was talking to her on the phone, and she said: "Oh,
the pump downstairs -- I got to go deal with that." And I said, "What
pump downstairs?"

And she said, "This house was built over a spring. We need a pump,
and it has to pump all the time, to pump the spring water out of the
basement." And I realized -- Robin is a sensitive medium and a reader
-- that she had not put two and two together! She had moved in, and
there is this very unhappy spring that's been capped down below, and
it's being pumped into the storm drains, and it's saying, "I want to
come out! I want to come out!" And Miss Robin's going down to the
home decorator shop and buying another fountain -- "Here's another
fountain! Here's another fountain!" So she ended up making peace
with this unhappy water spirit by providing fountains all through her
house. And her house is beautiful, too.

JAY: Wow.

MISS CAT: But it was a question in that situation; she didn't read
herself doing it -- she was just open to it. And I said to her,
"You've got a spring under your house; you've got a pump in your
house; you've got a dozen water fountains --" and then she laughed,
and she said, "Oh my gosh, that's what it is!"

Anyway, people do respond to spirits, and have communication with
them; you can also communicate with them directly. You can
communicate with them through speech, you can communicate with them
through trance, you can communicate with them through a pendulum.
Just ask it some questions.

TANISIA: Through dreams.

MISS CAT: Yes, through dreams. You could start by putting out a
little offering that you -- you know, first ask, "What do you want?"
-- and put out a little offering of, you know, food or something, or
tobacco. And just listen to what it wants. And then move it -- this
is how Martin Coleman describes it -- every day, just move it down a
little bit, and eventually you put it in a closet, or a spirit house
outside the building, as the Thai people do.

JAY: I see. I see. And after I move the spirit away will I be able to sell the house?

MISS CAT: I think it will go into foreclosure before it gets that far.

As far as money drawing goes for the daycare center, I want to make
sure that you are aware of some things that we use very commonly. I
want to make sure that you know to dress your business cards with a
combination of Attraction and Money Drawing powders. And take any
flyers -- any flyers that you have, whether they are instructional
flyers for new customers, or flyers that you leave in public places
with your contact information on them -- take the papers and fan the
papers out, that is, spread them out so that they overlap -- and put
the powder down [on the papers] and pray over it in your own words.
It doesn't have to be any set kind of prayer. For instance, "May all
who touch this business card bring me their business; if they can't
use this card themselves, may they pass it to someone who will bring
me their business. May all who come to my business be sweet-tempered
customers with plenty of money to spend. Let me satisfy them; let
them satisfy me." And I would always add, "In the name of Jesus
Christ, Amen," or, "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost,"
or however I was going to end that prayer. But you can pray to
anyone; for instance, being Hindu, you would presumably pray to
Lakshmi, who is a goddess who brings wealth.

Then you have that powder on the papers, and you flick them -- you can
give them a flick with your fingernail and thumbnail, or you can
spread them and go ffrrrt! -- and the powder flies off. But now every
paper has been dressed; every business card has been dressed -- on the
back, where it is unseen, and when they pick it up and touch it, the
prayer that you conveyed will be to them conveyed, and they then have
that business card, and if they can't use it, they will give it to
somebody else.

And I know this works. We have a little shop out here in the country. People walk in the door holding the business card, and I say, "How
did you hear about us?" And they say, "My cousin told me I had to
come here, and she gave me your business card." So I know it works.
A woman came in today, and she goes, "My daughter is in Oakland, and
she said I have to come here and get things for her." [Laughs]

You can also, if you do business on the Internet, dress your keyboard
-- but don't use powders, use oils -- a five-spot of oil on your
keyboard, and dress the four corners of your monitor.

JAY: What kind of oil do I use?

MISS CAT: I would use a combination of Attraction -- to attract new
customers -- and Money Drawing -- to attract customers with money. See, Attraction attracts attention; and Money Drawing attracts money. But you need to put them both together to attract new customers. There is also Prosperity and Better Business, but those are for when your business is on a good footing, when you just need to "keep it
rolling." But for new customers out of nowhere, Attraction plus Money
Drawing has been my favorite for many years. And I have really built
my company on that, and I am my own witness on that one.

JAY: OK.

DR. KIONI: Amen! Wow, what a great show we had tonight!

MISS TANISIA: I've certainly learned a lot.

JAY: Thank you very much, you guys -- all of you.

DR. KIONI: Jay, thank you. It was a pleasure to have you, and it was
brave of you to share your story with us tonight. We are praying for
you, as are the many, many people who are listening to this webcast
right now around the world. We ask that you remember Jay and that you
pray for her, or light a candle for her so she will find the relief
that she's seeking.

Tanisia Mooney, Spiritual Life Coach at commonsenseconjure.com, it's
great to have you here, and thank you for your support of the Lucky
Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour, and your support to me personally as well as to Cat. We welcome you here on the show tonight. Thank you for
sharing your client with us!

MISS TANISIA: Thank you very much for having us! All that I have
learned, and all the help I have been able to give my clients, has
been because of Miss Cat's influence...

[The rest of Miss Tanisia's remarks were obscured by the music outro.]

[Station ID by Dr. Kioni

MUSIC OUTRO CONTINUES: Jug Band Waltz by Will Shade and the Memphis
Jug Band]

FOOTNOTES

*Dr. Kioni is using the Quest Tarot, in which the Court cards are
renamed as family members rather than royalty.

** Modakas: recipe available here: http://tinyurl.com/5x4m4t

*** Jaggery: an unrefined brown sugar sold in chunks, similar to the
Mexican piloncillo.

[CKioni]

The Hoodoo Rootwork Audio Blog is specifically designed to
stream at dial-up speed. http://hoodoorootwork.blogspot.com/

~ Dr. Kioni - DrKioni.com

[whodohoodoo]

Dr. Kioni, would you ever consider selling the shows as a box set or
even as whole seasons? I burned the shows I've downloaded to CD's and
listen all the time, but it would be great to have them all in a better
quality. Maybe add in, a hoodoo history or hoodoo tips insert and sell
it as a price that would make it worth your time! (yes, I know, I'm
awfully ambitious with my ideas, espeically those I have for other
people!)


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