Ethics and Moral Justifications for Spell Work

miamia · Unread post by **miamia** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:22 pm

Greetings All,

I am concerned about my son, he is 24 and having a tremendous run of bad luck. I believe in Magic although I have not been actively practicing for many years. My son believes there is a bad spirit that is causing him the bad luck and he believes the spirit has been latched on to him for the past 5 or 6 years. I believe him and have advised him on many occasions with ways to deal with this. He does not seem to want my help and I understand it is because he thinks he has to be the one to gather what he needs and do the work that needs to be done.

I wanted to buy him some of the things he needs and I also wanted to help him get some of the other things, but he got upset and said he had to do it himself in order for it to work.

Any thoughts on this?

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:03 am

You can do the work for him, and you do not need to tell him. I suggest you get a reading and find out the cause of his problem, whether someone is working against him or his own negative attitude is to blame.

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:21 am

miamia, Mama Micki gave good advice: sneaky tricks for the win!

You could also offer him a Lucky Mojo gift certificate.

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Lucky Mojo Complete Inventory
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Hope this helps,

Miss Michaele

memomma_51 · Unread post by **memomma_51** » Thu May 01, 2014 1:30 am

Hello, I would like to know if it is customary for a ROOT DOCTOR to hold over your head things that he/she has done for you? No matter how large...???

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Thu May 01, 2014 10:22 am

memomma, an ethical rootworker will treat his or her clients with respect, but will not allow himself to be walked on, either.

There is no one standard of ethical conduct under which all readers and rootworkers operate, of course, so at the outset, we recommend that you exxpect the same sort of ethical behaviour from a rootworkers that you would from a teacher, doctor, counselor, dentist, plumber, boss, co-worker, or carpenter.

Suggestions For Clients
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/S ... or_Clients

Because there are no specific standards under which rootworkers operate, a number of us who are professionals banded together to form AIRR, the Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers. AIRR has a written Code of Conduct and Code of Ethics, and any member f the public may read it.
The Code of Ethics of AIRR: the Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/Code_of_Ethics

What is more, is you hire a member of AIRR and have trouble with the person over ethical issues, you may get help. Please DO NOT discuss it here (the post will be deleted, but rather go to the AIRR Ombudsman who will mediate the dispute.
Ombudsman Services: How AIRR Mediates Disputes between Clients and Practitioners
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/O ... of_Service

Sincerely,

Miss Michaele

Unread post by **Papa_Michael** » Tue May 27, 2014 10:19 am

memomma_51 wrote:Hello, I would like to know if it is customary for a ROOT DOCTOR to hold over your head things that he/she has done for you? No matter how large...???

In my case, absolutely not. I do the work and forget it. The forgetting part is one of the keys to how "I" do the work.

TheBestest · Unread post by **TheBestest** » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:30 pm

Hey guys... I had a huge massive fallout with my two half sisters almost two yrs ago but am still hurting from the situation as one did something to humiliate me and the other threw very personal things in my face. The one that humiliated me is the one I HATE. I setiousky hate her. I cant stand either one of them. I don't think that she deserves a curse but instead I feel like SOMETHING needs to be done. She deserves to have happen to her what she did to me and ten times worse. Besides a mirror box, what else can I do to her?

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:38 pm

Hello, TheBestest ,
I am so sorry that you are hurting this way.
I think a safe way (and justified way) of doing tis is reversing spells
Find them here (along with your mirror box spell)
www.luckymojo.com/reversing.html
I hope this helps and pray that you find peace with this
Take care

TheBestest · Unread post by **TheBestest** » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:41 am

Thanks Miss Aida. I was starting to think cursing them may have been too extreme.

Juxtapose · Unread post by **Juxtapose** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:47 pm

Hello all, it took forever for me to find this area of the forum and I hope I am posting in the right place. I just have a quick question. I want to work two love spells. I have ONE piece of hair from the target. Can I cut it and use it in the two spells or does it have to stay whole?? Thanks!

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:56 pm

Hello, AsherDorian,

Yes, you can cut the hair.

That's fine. Take care

coastwitch · Unread post by **coastwitch** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:11 am

I remember reading this thread when it was first posted, and filing it away in my head. Well, now it is my turn to thank everyone for the good advice. I just had the same situation come up. Here is what happened -

My co-worker (I will call her Kate, not her real name) told me that her marriage was on the rocks and her husband had moved out. He did not have another woman. He moved into his mother's house. Kate wanted him back, but I felt that it was wrong to step into their mess. So I told her that I could not do a binding spell on her husband or a coercive spell to force him to come back home, but that I would do my version of Miss Cat's hair-tying spell, for her and her husband and their three children.

She got me the hairs, and right away I had a problem. His hairs were too short to braid, and there were only three of them! I resorted to my experience as a crafter and used Elmer's glue to stick his hairs in. The rest I braided into a tiny braid. I sewed this into a piece of wide satin ribbon, folded over, as it was very fragile, and gave it to Kate. She was very happy.

Now here is the fun part: Although my only intention was to pacify Kate and to truly "butt out" of her business, her husband did come back. So now she thinks I am the greatest witchy-poo of all. LOL.

Thanks for this forum. The teachings and advice are wonderful.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:57 pm

In my case, i do not "forget it," as i have a good memory and i do take notes -- but i have undertaken this work to help people, not to harm them, so to "hold over your head things that done for you" would be morally reprehensible to me. I just wouldn't do it.

Unread post by **JayDee** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:23 pm

memomma_51,

I think you clearly knew the answer before asking the question! that would be like my doctor holding my condition over me and using it against me, its morally wrong and ethically wrong.

You said a professional worker without distinguishing if it is an AIRR worker or someone else, which matters. We can't say much about those not associated with AIRR, but that's at your own risk and you run the risk of having these types of issues. AIRR is held to a higher standard that can be read about and reviewed on the AIRR web site.

IF you feel this person is now holding things over you I would cleanse, protect and move on to a new worker to assist you.. blessings!!

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:29 pm

The value of AIRR speaks for itself, but as far as the ethical conduct of those who are not members of AIRR goes, i know many, many good workers who are not interested in joining any organization who are quite upstanding and ethical. The only problem as far as the public is concerned is to sort the ethical ones from the unethical ones. Good word of mouth from your friends is worth far more in that regard than fancy web sites.

Good luck to you.

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:04 pm

Congrats, coastwitch ,

Sounds like you're a "shoe-in" for the Hoodoo Correspondence Course!!

Take care

starlightnight · Unread post by **starlightnight** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:14 pm

Hi, I am not sure if this is the right place to ask this question, I apologize if I posted at the wrong place...

I've read quite a few posts here at LM forum. Most AIRR readers suggest clients to get a reading to see if work is justied or if it's doable. I don't mean to offense anyone, I am just wondering, what does it mean by "justied"? Is it something the spirits or other higher entity reveal/tell the reader the reader during a reading? If a reader say work is doable, is the result something the reader see or predict? And for the cases where the reader says it's just not possible, how was that determined? Is the target's will to strong to be effected or that's something also told by the spirits? And do all readers give the same answers or it varies amon each reader's judgement?

Again, I don't mean to be rude or offensive, just out of curiosity.

Unread post by **aura** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:40 am

Hi starlightnight,

''Justified'', in rootwork, usually means justified in the eyes of God. This is something more usually applied to cursing work than any other type of work and more usually affects the outcome of spell-work than the ability to carry it out in the first place. Whether the work is justified or not will also usually weigh in the balance when a rootworker decides to take the case or not and in that sense it is ''revealed'' to the worker as they divine for the client (and sometimes there is also a clear message from Spirit, it depends for each worker - no two people approach things in the same way nor experience their gifts in the same way).

''Doable'', in rootwork, usually seeks to see if given the details of a situation, it's even possible for a desired outcome to be obtained and if so, how much effort and time will be required to do that. Sometimes the sheer complexity of a job make it more trouble that it's worth to take on. And what's ''doable'' from one worker to another will vary. A client's requirements may also simply be outside the scope of spiritual practice or area of specialization of a worker, in which case they will usually refer to another worker better suited to what's going on.

For example, if reconciliation in a given case is possible but the outcome according to the reading will be more of the same torment that a person has already gone through, some workers may not take the case because they don't wish to perpetuate the cycle - they'll suggest a Cut and Clear and be willing to work in that direction but no other. Some will do the Reconciliation but advise of the dynamic that's ultimately a problem leaving it up to the client when they get sick of repeating the same thing over and over again. Both worker's choices are valid. Neither is ''better'' or ''righter''. It's a question of individual opinion and outlook - and that's why there are many different workers to choose from. But if you chose, based on intuition, one reputable reader to contact initially over another, there is usually a reason for that even if it's subconscious; and chances are that what they're telling you is something you need to hear.

So in that sense, no, not all readers will give you the same answer - our mileage varies as do our approaches to life and rootwork. If you ask ten friends of yours the same question about a situation, do you always get the same answer? Probably not. The same applies to readers and rootworkers, we are people after all!

If work is ''doable'', the result may be predictable or not - it depends on the specifics of each unique situation, it also depends on the target's resistance to work as you already surmised, as well as on what approach that's used to do the work and how well it's suited to the condition.

No doubt some of the other talented readers and workers of the Forum will also have their own ideas and opinions to add which will differ from my own and can give you additional perspectives to consider. Furthermore, I've merged your question into the existing thread on the Ethics of Professional Readers and Rootworkers which also has some great information for you.

Blessings.

starlightnight · Unread post by **starlightnight** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:13 pm

Thanks aura for your detail response!!! and I'll definitely read through the posts here.

Can I assume that if an AIRR worker agree to work on a case, it means the chance of successful outcome is high?

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:35 pm

Hello, starlightnight,

Have you red this page? It is extremely informative (and can answer your questions):

www.luckymojo.com/spells/real.html

Have a terrific week !!

lilgeorge · Unread post by **lilgeorge** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:12 pm

Hello there. I was wondering, how can I revoke a hot foot spell? out of rage, I peppered a resident of my home, and regret doing so after cooling off. I don't want the spell or whatever it is to follow through. please help. thank you

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:02 pm

Hello, lilgeorge ,

It happens to the best of us! LOL

Just do an uncrossing: www.luckymojo.com/uncrossing.html

Wishing you the very best

take care

Nony65 · Unread post by **Nony65** » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:58 am

As I mentioned in another thread, my Mum is unaccepting of me practising root work and Hoodoo, yet she does seem to believe to an extent in spiritualism. The problem is, is that in the past, I have been conned and scammed by fraudsters who proclaim to practice magic and really they are after robbing you of every penny. I accept as my Mum, she's just trying to protect me but it would be nice if she could be more accepting of the practice.

I have often placed vigil candles at MISC and by other rootworkers to help her and family members in ill health or having runs of bad luck. And recently, I have ordered some Van Van incense powder to light in the house to dispel negativity and the run of bad luck we have experienced of late, but obviously that means I will be awaiting another package in the post- I can just see her now saying "spending your money on mumbo jumbo stuff again I see".

With family members who are skeptical or not into Hoodoo, are there ways of gently opening them up to this idea and introducing them to it? Or at least be more accepting of family members who wish to practice it? And if they aren't, should I just carry on working in private? Thanks for your help!

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:41 pm

Hello, Nony65,

Tricky Question!! WOW!

In the past, when I was married, my husband was a disbeliever. So, I just practice my magic under the "Guise" of a Catholic religious practice. I would clean with Chinese wash www.luckymoj.com/chinesewash.html

I would was (or sprinkle the floors with peace water: www.luckymojo.com/peacewater.html
And use peaceful home products: www.luckymojo.cm/peacefilhime.html

Over time he got used to that, I would do a little more each time.

Eventually....he was asking me to perform spells for him! LOL

Just move slow and you'll be fine

take care

helena · Unread post by **helena** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:49 am

I wanted to do a love return love spell on my ex husband. I am still in love with him.
I'm just wondering is it not wrong to do this?
I'm into hoodoo and don't mind doing the money spells.
I have tried cut and clear I have also used black obsidian during my flow to cut cords and cleanse from my ex husband.
Nothing has worked.

My question is, is it wrong?
If I was to do this would I be messing with my ex's life path, his calling or destiny?
Will karma come back and bite me?
My mother always said that how people act towards you is their Karma, how you react to them is your karma (or something along those lines)

I don't want to interfere with what ever life lessons I was meant to experience from this break up; or dis allow myself from evolving to the next soul level because I'm disrupting whatever God/universe wanted to happen in this life.
But I really really love and miss this man.
I'm totally torn.

Is this selfish that I want him back?
Someone please help me

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:20 am

Hello, Helena,

I have split move and merged your post to the appropriate subforum and thread.

Please feel free to read this thread.

Hoodoo practitioners generally don't adhere to the concept of Karma as that is a part of Hindu religion and philosophy and few hoodoo practitioners are Hindus.

Usually folks will say that if things were not meant to be, the spells just won't work. But punishment for a love spell? Never heard of anything like that happening. The worst thing that can happen is that it just won't manifest.

Is it right or wrong? This forum probably wouldn't be here if love spells were: "Wrong" to do.

Use your own judgment and do what's in your heart to do. If you feel it's wrong, then don't do it.

This will be the final answer to your question. If you have anymore regarding this subject of ethics, I encourage you to talk to a rootworker about it privately.

http://readersandrootworkers.org

Wishing you the best

Take care

helena · Unread post by **helena** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:25 am

There are a lot of forums that are around, that in my eyes are "wrong."

Right or wrong this does not stop them from existing.

This site I think has one of best and most informative forums i have ever come across when it comes to hoodoo. I could read it for hours.

As I am new to hoodoo I find it extremely informative.

I value all the answers given here.

Thank you for your reply

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:14 pm

Hello, Helena,

Please understand that we are here to assist the Forum Family members with their use of Lucky Mojo products. And to recommend what we believe to be the best course of action to take for their problems. You may want to look at the Forum rules to get a better idea of the theme of this forum.

Your personal ethical dilemma is beyond the scope of the forum. That is why I had suggested talking to a rootworker. Other forums may do anything (and we can't speak for them) but, the Lucky Mojo Curio company (owned by miss cat and Nagasiva) do not do this.

So (as I always tell people): "..if it doesn't feel right, then don't do it".

Thank you

89bingo · Unread post by **89bingo** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:38 pm

Hi ,
I apologize in advance if i am posting in the wrong section ..but i couldn't find the right one for the concern i have

Every year 1 or 2 times , we do kind of cleansing of the stuff ,clothes ,toys etc that we no longer use or have outgrown . We usually donate to some charity .
Earlier i was blissfully unaware

, but since discovering this eye opening forum 6 mnths ago ,i am honestly little scared to donate our used stuff ,clothes etc as i read people can lay tricks with your used clothes

Honestly i really don't have the energy to wash and iron all the donation clothes to remove our dna , as they are in pretty good condition and are lot .
Since last 6 mnths we are facing too many problems at every possible level and i don't want anyone laying anymore tricks on us by our used stuff !

Yet i'm a very spiritual ,giving person who always believes in the noble act of charities and helping the less privileged . My intentions are pure & kind .
How can i protect myself & my family from this dilemma ? I worship St michael every sunday regularly & anoint Fiery wall of protection every day on all of us . Is it enough or i need to do more to be cautious and proactive ?

Sincere thanks in advance
God Bless !

Thank you St Expedite !
Thank you St Michael !

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:24 pm

Hello, 89bingo,

Welcome to my world! LOL!!

Spray the clothes with Florida Water. Just put it in a bottle and spray everything:

www.luckymojo.com/floridakanangawater.html

Take care

89bingo · Unread post by **89bingo** » Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:23 am

Thank you Miss Aida !!! This is such a relief !

Do i say a particular petition or a prayer while spraying ?

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:23 pm

Hello, 89bingo,

You can demand that all of your energies be removed from the articles.

Take care

89bingo · Unread post by **89bingo** » Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:56 am

Thank you so much Ms Aida !

shweta · Unread post by **shweta** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:12 pm

Hi I really need a help with my love life, I am madly in love with a man and we were in relationship for 2 years and I left my whole family and everything just to get his love., now I see him drifting away from me. He has met a girl in his office and got very friendly, I really want to know if he is cheating on me or he loves me true or he has any other woman in his life. And want a spell on him to be mine n love me forever. Pl advise as I really deeply love him.

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:13 am

Hello, shweta ,

Welcome to the forum.

Yu would need a reading to answer that question.

Here are some great psychics:

http://readersandrootworkers.org

OR

www.hoodoopsychics.com

And here is an array of love spells that Miss cat wrote for you to chose from:

www.luckymojo.com/lovespells.html

Wishing you the very best

take care

PrincessKLS · Unread post by **PrincessKLS** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:17 pm

I recently started looking into hoodoo after deciding to practice some honey jar spells. Right now, I'm working on finance, career, and a targeting love spell.

After being exposed to Wiccan ideology for so long I was under the impression that casting love spells to make a person fall in love with you was considered the ultimate black magick/taboo spell. I know the Wiccan/neo pagan ideology behind it but I still don't think that at the end of the day, we should be so dogmatic toward people on what spells they can and can't cast, and it seems that hoodoo claims that you can ritualistic love spells to target a person.

I'm currently looking to target a person right now for very specific reasons that I don't want to go into right now but I've decided to study up on it more before I continue.

So ...

1) Am I right, are you allowed to target specific people in hoodoo when it comes to love spells?

2) Why or why not?

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:25 pm

Hello, PrincessKLS,

1) Yes, however ...

2) Hoodoo does not have ideological "rules" in which you are "allowed" or "not allowed" to do certain things. The usual personal ethical and socially moral rules apply to most people, and since hoodoo is the folk magic of African Americans, it is, while not a religion itself, largely practiced by Christian people, which means the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule are good guidelines for behaviour to most practitioners. In fact, most non-religious forms of folk magic, reaching back into ancient times, also contain spells of love magic, no matter what religions are adhered to by their practitioners. In fact, hoodoo, a Black American system of folk magic, is similar to other systems of folk magic utilized by Christians in other cultures, such as trolldom (Scandinavian folk magic) and stregheria (Sicilian folk magic) when it comes to including love spells.

I suggest that you approach hoodoo as one of many forms of worldwide folk magic and begin by studying a few of them before you make a jump from Wiccan religious ideology to an embrace of African American culture.

For instance, since Wicca comes out of northern European culture, you might find love spells to your liking in this book rather than trying to study hoodoo from a position of being unfamiliar with Black American culture:

BOO-FLS-TROL
Trolldom: Spells of Norse Folk Magic by Johannes Gårdbäck
$20.00

The entire table of contents for the book can be found here:

trolldom-norse-folk-magic-book-question ... ml#p146059

You can order right here in the Forum by clicking on the blue Add To Cart button.

Freja · Unread post by **Freja** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:30 pm

Miss Catherine, Mama Micki,Miss Phoenix, Miss Aida, Miss Mimi

I wanted to say thank you to you all and anyone I've missed in my name list. The subject I posted here was in regards to a family member (my father) doing roots/cursing upon on me while I was staying in their home. That was Jul of 2013. I'm happy to report I've moved out in Jul 2016 into a large comfortable apartment. I've also received my own personal furniture I hadn't seen in 6 years which has been in storage. It was such a fearful and dreadful environment too different from that of my youth. My mother is a stronger person now for seeing the strength and determination in me and has become more independent herself. Unfortunately, they are still married- old school traditional ya'know. His health is failing too. Now I work on myself, mental healing, confidence, writing. I do still have to interact with him at family functions...but I'm so much stronger now. There is so much beauty, love and ...magic in the world. It is nice to be able to see it again.

I'd like to also thank to the Crystal Silence League. Praying for a strangers well-being is a powerful thing.- Freja

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:00 pm

Hello, Freja,

That is WONDERFUL news.

We are so happy for you!

Take care

RockaBilly1981 · Unread post by **RockaBilly1981** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:23 am

I'm thinking of ordering the fixed "break up vigil candle service", and the fixed "healing candle" service. Some other woman broke me and my boyfriend of 12 years up. I was interested in purchasing this service as a way of getting back at her, and maybe so we can reconcile. I know it takes two, so I don't need to hear that. I was wondering if I will get any negative backlash from this, all I want to do her is what she did to me, and nothing more.

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:34 pm

Hello, RockaBilly1981,

That sounds like justified work to me!

take care

rossoporpora · Unread post by **rossoporpora** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:05 am

Hi, I have a serious issue about the work that I'm doing and I feel like I have to ask for advice, even if I already started the work.
I'm doing negative work on my ex new girlfriend, he's a Narcissist (a textbook one too, wicked, manipulative and with 0 empathy or sense of guilt but if you are familiar with them, I don't think I've to say much about him). I tried doing reconciliation work on us but I eventually decided I no longer wanted him as he showed himself to be a disgusting human being, more than I could have imagined.
I find it incredibly hard to do work on him so I shifted my attention to her, I do not wish to harm her but I want her to see what he is and get that "my life is complete crap when I'm with him, why is that?" sort of situation, if this makes sense.
I try to be specific and focus on the parts of my life he ruined, like gaining and losing big amounts of weight in short periods of time, sleeping issues and recurring nightmares, fighting with friends and family, having issues at keeping a job etc. All things that got back to normal once he left. And I'm specific in stating that these bad things happen only when they have any sort of contact-relationship so everything is associated with him.
I'm not the only woman he's hurt but after leaving me with health issues, depression and ptsd, I cannot let him get away with it.
I've actually started group therapy with others who had to deal with Narcissist partners and I'm working on myself as much as I can.
I also wash myself with hyssop, I purchased the oil, recite pslam 51 everytime I do work on her and I feel sorry for targeting her but, to me, it seems the only way, to me is justified but in any case whenever I pray I say "let his true self be acknowledged, let it affect other's lives in such a way they run away from him and he stays alone, he's a wicked man and needs to be alone so he can't hurt others".
I know he's in the so called "love-bombing" phase where he's the perfect man, this is why I feel is impossible to work on the relationship itself, I had people try to warn me about him and I didn't listen, I had to have my life destroyed to take a step back from him (and this is the actual reason he cheated on me and got his hands on her), it's true that I'm jealous as he's purposely keeping with her all the promises he made me and doing with her all the things I told him I wanted to do with him in an attempt to make me suffer (it's not the first time he's done this, I know what I'm talking about), but I absolutely can't stand the idea of him possibly ending up marrying her to do what he did to me daily. I gave this man 13 years of my life, I know him too well, I know what he's capable of and I prefer giving this woman a bit of hell and watch her run away from him without looking back than let them be and, possibly, having her put her life back together in like, 20 years from now as I am doing now. He also suffers from Multiple Sclerosis and he gets worse in his behaviour as he gets older, he used his illness to neglect my every need, using it to shut me up even when I was grieving the loss of a loved one and make it all about himself.

My problem is that, to me, what I am doing is justified, like hitting a dog that is eating chocolate in order to make him spit it out, but I'm not sure if I'm doing the right thing as she doesn't even know about me. She's an innocent woman that thinks she's found the perfect man, just like I did back then. I don't know what to do, honestly.

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:37 pm

Hello, rossoporpora

If you're asking if you're justified to do negative work on him, it sure looks like it!

Although I have never been in a relationship with a narcissist, I have joined support groups for victims of Narcissist (because so many of my clients are victims and I want to know what they are going through. Additionally, as a Nurse, I am curious to the psychological aspects of how the Narcissists get away with all the harm that they do to others. And, keep getting away with it.....).

And, from what you are saying, this is a true Narcissist. And revenge and crossing is justified. I do talk about all of this (Narcissists, what is justified, etc) in my new book :" Cursing and Crossing" that is now available for pre-ordering.

post371377.html#p371377

HOWEVER, please do not put any negative work on her. She is innocent and any negative work on her would NOT be justified. If you want to perform skull candles with Clarity or King Solomon (to make her see the light), that is good work.

http://www.luckymojo.com/clarity.html

http://www.luckymojo.com/kingsolomonwisdom.html

If you curse him, the jerk deserves it

rossoporpora · Unread post by **rossoporpora** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:59 am

Thank you Miss Aida,

As I said, he's resisted all work I've done on him, I'm putting away some money to hire a rootworker at the moment and will let them do the work for me as I'm also too emotionally invested.

You're right about her being innocent, I know that too but in my head it makes sense.

As I said in my first post, before he discarded me for her, I had few issues in my life that took my full attention and of course he did all sorts of guilt-trip, punished me with the silent treatment and put his hands on her, cheating on me and discarding me for her, textbook narcissism at play.

The issues I had are all solved now so I figured, let's give her something like that, let her associate the "crap" with him and let his mask come off so she runs away!

But I can try the skull candle you suggested, altought it's not easy if you're with a Narcissist, I have seen the truth years ago and still tried to make things work, out of love.

Maybe she's less involved than me, she didn't grew up with him like I did so perhaps what you suggested is enough but, again, I don't know.

I don't wanna hurt this person I just wanna "push" her away from him for good.

Thank you for your help, as usual!

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:34 pm

rossoporpora --

The topic of vengeance break-ups (without hurting the innocent party) is discussed here:

Break Up My Ex from His or Her Current Lover or Spouse
break-up-my-ex-from-his-or-her-current- ... 21991.html

Please read that thread and post there, now that you have gotten your head wrapped around the ethical issues.

Unread post by **Honeybeelight** » Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:04 pm

I think the responses of the professional root workers here are great. I have learned so much just listening to their advice. Getting a reading first is just plain sensible before you do anything (if you can wait: some stuff needs work right away while you wait).

And on love spells in particular: yeah, a lot of New Age thinking is that it's evil or bad and always taking away free will to use love spells on a particular target, and Harry Potter is against it and stuff. I gave it some real thought and decided that this was a load of dingo's kidneys. Attracting and keeping someone close is probably as old as human beings doing magic, which is probably as old as human beings.

So that was where I got with my personal ethics on it. I've got other lines in the sand I probably wouldn't cross, and lines I definitely wouldn't cross. That's easy, too. I give it some good thought and decide those are not for me. They might be for someone else.

Can I pass on some things that AIRR workers have said that I really admire? One is from Deacon Millett's web page: "God is the final arbiter of the success or failure of any work we do." The other is Miss Aida on the Lucky Mojo Rootwork Hour on cursing, but it could be anything: sometimes Spirit suggests something stronger. And the ultimate, by Miss Cat: http://www.luckymojo.com/spells/real.html (scroll down to "If Magic Spells Are Real, Why Doesn't Everyone Use Them?"

Unread post by **Honeybeelight** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:59 pm

I just have a general question, although it's kinda involved and boils down to what's justified and what isn't.

I just had a reading from an AIRR reader, whom I have *every reason to trust*, that some serious work has been practiced against me by a woman who is connected to a sort-of-ex boyfriend of mine. I did a Reconciliation honey jar work on him. I did not do breakup work, a freezer spell, or anything coercive. The reader says she is in/or was in a committed relationship before I met him. I sort of doubt that part. I know that it's really unlikely that they were together when I met him or during the time when he was going after me, and in fact he mostly kept bitching about his ex-wife (who isn't involved). Maybe they had something going before and she considered him her property, I don't know, but if I'd had the least suspicion that he wasn't available, I would have dropped him like a hot potato. I flat out don't do that. She sure as hell ain't married to him. He's listed as single and looking on every damned site he's on, and she's gotta know about that.

Anyway, she probably found out about it, and there's a good chance she has my personal concerns because I sent a dressed letter with my menstrual blood. The other woman threw a hissy, went to a professional, and had a major curse laid on me. I do have every reason to think that's true, and as I said, I trust the reader. The reader also said that there wasn't any point in going after the professional, not to attempt a reversal, and to protect myself and cut my losses.

However:

1) I knew nothing about this, and had already decided that I wouldn't do any breakup work if someone else was involved.
2) I was working with another AIRR reader/rootworker whom I *also* have every reason to trust. There were no indications of another person or any barriers.
3) I was planning to cut my losses and do a Cut and Clear anyway.
4) A simple Separation or Breakup would have done the trick.

Nevertheless, she has attacked my health, my soul, my mental health, my house, and even my hair, when frankly I'm an innocent victim who got caught up in something and was probably lied to. I have no idea why someone would go after me hammer and tongs. I wasn't exactly a threat. I hadn't even slept with him. All she'd have to have done to get me to go away would have been to indicate that she existed.

Is that considered justified? If you try to crush someone when a pussy slap would do, is that morally and ethically just? Would that suggest I was more of a threat than I knew, i.e. he actually was in love with me? He said he wanted to move in with me, introduce me to all of his friends and take me everywhere. I didn't ask for him to move in and didn't want him to. I spent a lot of time trying to slow him down.

Also, if you do throw something heavy on someone who doesn't deserve it, what exactly happens? I'm sure they're protected. I know enough to know that karma doesn't exist where Hoodoo is concerned. Is it wrong of me to pray that the truth comes out? because if he knew a woman he was with practiced negative magic on anyone at all, she would be history. He's very spiritual and has strong feelings about that.

Anyway, I'm going to do exactly what the reader said. I don't shop for readers and I ain't dumb. I'm just wondering if it's justified and if it's not, does anything happen? Am I to blame if someone thinks they're "morally justified" to attack me?

The sad thing is that I'd already done a Cut and Clear when I had the reading down and was already feeling better, and this riled everything up again

Oh, well. Off to do some Unjinxing and Protection work.

Unread post by **Sister Jean** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:19 pm

Hello Honeybeelight,

I'm very sorry to hear that you are having to deal with all this. My first piece of advice would be to definitely listen to your reader. If she is telling you to cut your losses and move on, do that. Cleanse and protect yourself and forget about that guy.

Who is to say if people who curse random people get what's coming to them, because who's to say how God works? But I try not to dwell on that stuff too much. I just have faith that people who deserve it will get what's coming to them, and live my life peacefully.

Take care.

Unread post by **Honeybeelight** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:03 pm

Thank you for answering me, Sister Jean. As you can tell, I'm pretty upset. I know that it wouldn't be justifiable to me, but I know from reading these forums that it's easier to blame the "other woman." Rootworker A, Reader B (Reader B was doing a check reading, which Rootworker A knew about and was cool with) and I are all on the same page about cutting my losses and moving on. I'm super grateful to both of them. And St. Michael is out there guarding me, so I will be safe.

If someone accidentally stepped on my foot, I wouldn't turn around and try to kill them. Where I'm going wrong is thinking that if someone is attacking me, I must have done something to deserve it. I know in my heart that I don't, but I wish I could convince myself of this. This makes it hard to believe that there is someone better out there for me. If you know of anything that would help me boost my self-worth, I am wide open to suggestions.

I do take some satisfaction in living up to my own code, and while I don't believe in "karma" or the "threefold law," I do think that what goes around usually comes around. Go around bullying other people, and someday you're going to meet a bigger bully. And it's gotta be exhausting applying this much force every time some woman who could be a vague threat comes along, especially with this guy. Dollars to donuts he is already madly "in love with" someone new by now. I'd rather have a guy who is faithful to begin with.

Also, my hairdresser managed to sorta save my hair. That always makes a girl feel better.

Winter_star · Unread post by **Winter_star** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:07 am

I have searched the forum for this question and haven't found it but I apologize if it has been done before. My question is about doing a spell- I'm thinking a honey jar on a particular person. I want him. WIth my intention, I would also ask that this work only if it is for our highest good. But the problem is when I think about how I would feel if someone did this to me- I don't think I would like it. So I am looking for information in general on coercive spells. I care about this person. Do practitioners just feel OK about manipulation of other people? And also- if you attract someone with a spell- is it likely the person will stay long term or is that only when it's in accordance with natural laws-love, etc. In other words- when seeking authentic love--how do spells fit it with that? I have done a candle spell on him once that worked great- it was so he would want me sexually and within a few days he was texting about getting together - getting sexual. To me, that felt right because I think that's a good thing for him as well as me, but then again maybe I have a problem with the concept of deciding what is good or right for another person. thank you

Unread post by **Sister Jean** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:22 pm

Hello Winter_star,

I found the thread you were looking for and merged your question with it. If you scroll up, you'll find posts from people exploring this very question and coming up with some great thoughts. Hope they help you!

Take care.

P.S. Thanks in the future for not posting new topics as it's against forum rules.

DannyN · Unread post by **DannyN** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:04 pm

I have read many replies here and most experienced folks say NO SUCH THING AS KARMA OR BLACK KARMA IN HOODOO.

I want to be sure, is it that it is not part of what you guys were thought in your lessons OR that spells/works done using hoodoo traditions don'tt attract negative karma?

Just wondering, so if someone uses hoodoo to do very bad stuff to a child, you mean mother nature has no immediate or future payback for such person? For real or just because such person did the bad stuff using hoodoo. So in other words, hoodoo is like an insurance that can be used to do evil?

Unread post by **RevJames** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:18 pm

DannyN -

Hoodoo is based primarily in a Protestant Christian world and Karma just isn't part of that world. We deal with Jesus, and God and the Bible, that is not to say that you HAVE to be christian to practice hoodoo, but one must realize that is a very big part of most works. The way I understand karma, its not really something that comes back to you in the same life time, but in those that follow. What I feel your trying to get at is more something akin to the Wiccan "3 fold law" that what you do comes back to you, in this case, 3 fold. But Hoodoo isn't Wicca.

Those that do curse work, usually, not always, ascribe to what we call Justified Work. Work that is justified in the eyes of our Lord. And if it be his will, it shall be done, as they say.

Also, He gave us free will. There is no karma in Christianity, you do bad, you go to Hell. Unless you seek forgiveness for those sins that is, which is why cleansing (particularly with hyssop) after doing curse or baneful work is usually recommended.

These are my feelings on it from my understanding, I look forward to what others might have to say though that would like to chime in here!

I also suggest you read these pages to get a better handle on the subject of Karma, Religion, and Hoodoo -
Do you have to be a certain religion to practice real magick? - http://www.luckymojo.com/spells/real.html#12
Why are hoodoo spells done with psalms or in jesus' name? - http://www.luckymojo.com/spells/real.html#13
Hoodoo History from Hoodoo In Theory and Practice by Ms Cat - http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoohistory.html

Along with this forum topic on - "Cleansing Before and-or After Performing Rootwork Spells"
cleansing-before-and-or-after-performin ... -t654.html

Hope this helps and makes sense!

Unread post by **Sister Jean** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:08 am

Great answer, RevJames, on a topic that can be pretty thorny!

mastersirius678 · Unread post by **mastersirius678** » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:32 pm

For anyone who will possibly ask these questions in the future, I had this conclusion after reading this forum, the internet, and some personal experience.

No, doing a love spell on a specific person is perfectly fine, before when I only believed in Wicca, I had done love spells that are directed at females that I had a crush on and we did go out for about a month. The reason why many people suggests doing a love spell to draw an unknown person to you because it is just much better, you specify traits you want in a person, and the unknown person will have all the traits you asked. It is like the dating sites with your personalized filters to find that perfect match, except it is on a grand universal scale.

Of course, if you have a specific target in mind for a love spell, no one can stop you from doing it. But your target might not have what you wanted and end up being a disappointment and leads to a break up, then you have to do spells to get rid of the energy from this failed relationship. Unless you are full of energy to spare for spells, why put yourself through that?

Unread post by **JayDee** » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:58 pm

mastersirius678,

Wicca follows its own rules not associated with hoodoo. You can do a spell to bring a specific person as you stated or bring a new unknown person. I would agree that I find a new unknown person is easier because there is potentially 100s of people in the world that fit your desire, where a specific person is only 1, much more energy and work to bring that then the other. Why some people may can be case specific, what if that person leaving you means you get deported? Cant see your children, will go homeless because they are the breadwinner. These are real issues that people have faced when using magic to keep and hold a lover.

mastersirius678 · Unread post by **mastersirius678** » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:18 am

JayDee

Agreed

Ever since I joined this forum and studied a bit of Hoodoo, I don't follow the Wiccan rules anymore. I was talking about 2012 in my previous post, when I knew nothing about Hoodoo and only Wicca.

Hope people will be more careful when it comes to love spells. It is the reason why a lot people got into magick, because they were in love with a specific person and want to use magick (any path) to make that person fall in love with him or her. That is how I was back in the day, I learned my lesson the hard way and now with my newly acquired Hoodoo knowledge, I know how to do love spells (or any spells) the right and effective way. Using Lucky Mojo's products.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:28 am

I would like to add a note about the above posts, just for the ease of understanding of readers who are looking for information about the ethics of love and sex spells and are unfamiliar with the subject of Wicca, which mastersirius678 refers to above.

Wicca is an inclusive term for a specific Neo-Pagan religion that originated in Great Britain during the 1950s. It is based on ideas of what historic and pre-historic -- specifically pre-Christian -- religions in Great Britain may have looked like during the Pagan era.

Within Wicca there are now several denominations, such as Garderian Wicca (the original variety, named for its founder, Gerald Gardner), Alexandrian Wicca (named for Alex Sanders who founded it), Dianic Wicca (named for the ancient Roman Moon Goddess Diana), and more. In addition, the term Wicca is wrongly applied by a number of outsiders to any European-Pagan-Revivalist religion that originated during the 20th century. (Other such European-Pagan-Revivalist religions include Heathenry, Asatru, Druidism, and so forth.)

Read about modern Pagan and Neo-Pagan traditions here:

Category:Working Within the Pagan and Neo-Pagan Tradition
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/C ... _Tradition

In Wicca, the religious services generally are centered around a female deity, sometimes conceived as a triple-deity, referred as the Maiden, Mother, and Crone. In most denominations of Wicca this Goddess or Lady, as she is called, has a male consort; in Dianic Wicca she does not. The clergy in Wicca are called Priestesses and Priests. The congregations are called Covens.

The holiday calendar of liturgical services in Wicca is based on ancient European Pagan holidays, with lunar services held every Full and Dark Moon and eight Solar festivals per year framed around the Solstices, Equinoxes, and mid-way points between them.

Read about the Wicca (and general European Pagan) Wheel of the Year festivals here:

Category:The Wheel of the Year
http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/C ... f_the_Year

Wicca is NOT a system of folk magic. It never has been and it never will be. It is a religion.

Religions generally contain within their doctrines some form of moral rule-set. The rules may take the form of commandments, advisory prescriptions, or prohibitions. They may be explicitly spelled out in the religion's scriptures or they may be a part of an oral or cultural tradition that has grown up within the religion's communities

In Judaism, for instance, one scriptural rule is to never covet or desire to possess the people, family, possessions, or property of one's neighbor and another scriptural rule is to never commit adultery. Taken together, these rules do not forbid coercive love magic of the folkloric type, but they do forbid coercing the love or sex of a married person and / or violating one's own marriage vows in the pursuit of coerced love or sex.

In Catholicism, for instance, one non-scriptural, but highly traditional, rule is that one should seek out a priest, confess one's sins both small and large, in private to the priest, and then do penance as prescribed by the priest. This does not rule out the performance of coercive sex magic, but since the Catholics follow the above Jewish rule-set, it would indicate that if one did perform coercive sex magic on a married person and / or if one violated one's own marriage vows in pursuit of coerced love or sex, one should confess the wrong-doing and follow the prescribed penitential acts prescribed by one's priest.

In most (but not all) denominations of Wicca, for instance, one commonly-cited rule is that the performance of coercive love magic is forbidden.

It is this religious rule to which mastersirius678 was referring.

As for hoodoo, it is African-American folk magic, practiced generally by Black American Christians. You do not have to be a Christian or Black to practice it, but that is the cultural origination of hoodoo. As the folk magic of primarily African-descended people, it carries within it many retentions from African folklore and folk magic. As the folk magic of generally Christian people, it carries within it many Christian religious concepts, primarily Protestant and, to a lesser degree, Catholic.

Read more about hoodoo and religion in this forum thread:

Hoodoo and Religion: Voodoo Wicca Santeria Witchcraft Atheism
hoodoo-and-religion-voodoo-wicca-santer ... 10231.html

Read more about hoodoo spells for coercive love here:

Spells to Dominate Control Rule Over Lover Mate Spouse
spells-to-dominate-control-rule-over-lo ... 81842.html

Okay, that was just a comment for those who will find this thread in years to come and will wonder what we were talking about.

mastersirius678 · Unread post by **mastersirius678** » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:55 pm

Thank you catherine for the detailed explanations.

angelfromasia · Unread post by **angelfromasia** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:36 am

I want to get the attraction set.

1) i wonder if this is black magic or white magic.

2) If i successfully attract something i desire, will i loose something as well?

3) Is this a positive spell?

4) I don't want any spell that is negative or damaging.

thank you very much!