Candles: How to Trim Carve Load Petition Pray Dress Arrange Light

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:34 pm

Not to be too nasty about it, but i know plenty of ladies who . uh ... "use" a penis candle or even a plain candle, especially during their period, and then oil it and burn it. 'Nuff said.

I don't know of any conjure spells that use other blood -- just that "special blood" as we used to call it back in the day.

There is an old English spell to have a man call you that uses a pin-prick of wedding-finger blood on a piece of paper -- but although it has drifted into hoodoo on the cross-cultural currents of book-learning and social contact, that is European folklore, not conjure work.

Brida · Unread post by **Brida** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:22 am

Thank you so much for all three of your insights!!!

Miss Cat - you crack me up...I love how you keep your "lady like" demeanor as you explain some "not so easy" to explain procedures. I <3 U!!!

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:40 am

catherineyronwode wrote: There is an old English spell to have a man call you that uses a pin-prick of wedding-finger blood on a piece of paper -- but although it has drifted into hoodoo on the cross-cultural currents of book-learning and social contact, that is European folklore, not conjure work.

This is a common spell in the Trolldom tradition as well. Blood from the ring finger of the left hand is drawn and mixed with the name of the person intended (by writing out his/her name on a piece of paper) or put on bread or in any drink and given to the beloved. This is almost always done while reading "As this, my blood, is mixed with..[insert object].., so shall NN´s love be mixed with mine". European magic for sure.

Transformer · Unread post by **Transformer** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:05 am

Hi, Yesterday, I light a candle I dressed myself with herbs and oils. Now, I am realizing I forgot an important herb. Can I go back now and add that herb to the candle that is already burning? It'll still be burning for the next 5 days or so.

Thanks

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:49 am

Be careful that your herbs do not catch fire. I think this is a personal choice as I know workers who add oils daily, or at the beginning and ending of candle spellwork.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:38 am

Yes you can go back and add the herb as long as its along the intentions of the work you set out to do. If not you can always do a vigil light to back up your work, once you have completed the work.

Unread post by **Houngan Liam** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:47 am

HI babybio,

Personally I would leave the candle burning and begin afresh with a new one. When I fix up a candle the last step for me is the prayer. Through the prayer over the candle I am enforcing the prayers that I have made as I've added each of the herbs. I bring the candle into a unified whole. If you candle is already burning strong, then you can support the work by doing a second candle with all the same herbs and oils and your missed one.

tarotcardfairy · Unread post by **tarotcardfairy** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:27 pm

I have noticed on LM candles, or at least on the one I had, that there was glitter on it. Is this glitter or is this magnetic sand? I love it! I feel it adds to the light it gives. If this is glitter what is the purpose?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:35 pm

Its giltter and not magnetic sand, and miss cat explains the reason for glitter on the first page of this thread.
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tarotcardfairy · Unread post by **tarotcardfairy** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:38 pm

Thank you stars in the sky!

Unread post by **Priestess Divine** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:40 am

I have been trying to get my candle to burn to complete my Money drawing spell but it keeps going out. There has also been some problems lighting, after several attempts. I have signs that the spell is working. More business and the candle did twist and turn, sway, etc (I also used another regular candle to test for draft, etc). So it is working...I think. But I believe it keeps going out because the way the candle has burned. The top of one side of the candle is like a claw or peaks at the top. The peaked side is quite high. The other side has burned down low to a normal level. I think the wax is not flowing out because of this and therefor extinguishing the flame. The wick is always buried in the wax.

My question is...can I trim the peaks off of the top of the candle away so the candle will burn without going out. Will this affect my work?

Thank you!

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:40 pm

Yes, you can work with a candle to keep it lit.

This post has been moved into the thread on preparing, lighting, and trimming candles.

Unread post by **Priestess Divine** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:57 pm

Thanks Cat. I will get to trimming!!

RedSangria · Unread post by **RedSangria** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:18 pm

I have a banishing vigil candle going and saw that it got a bit sooty - just a little shadow - at the top. Sure enough it was because the wick was "knotting" and I remembered Miss Cat mentioning "curing" the candle instead of starting a new one.

It was already quite low in its glass case so I couldn't put it out using my fingertips and had to snuff it (I know, I know!

), I trimmed the wick, and somehow managed to relight it, read specific Psalms, and prayed over it.

The flame is back to burning steadily. If anything, it's even brighter than before. The flame isn't flickering, but it's "dancing" (can't think of a better word right now) around a lot. I should also add that the candle has been burning quite fast and if it hadn't been for that soot because of the knot, I wouldn't have started messing with it.

My concern is that I a)didn't trim the wick on a burning candle (hindsight is always 20/20) and b)snuffed the candle.

It doesn't "feel" wrong. In fact, I still feel very strongly about this candle. In the past, my intuition didn't stay quiet when I'd erred where candle or some other casting was concerned, but I'm still putting this out here and waiting to hear your thoughts.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:12 am

You're fine. Don't worry about it.

RedSangria · Unread post by **RedSangria** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:15 pm

Can you tell I worry too much? Thanks, Devi.

Unread post by **cognitivedissonance** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:54 am

Here's two Gamache questions:

He's suggesting using crucifix candles as altar lights. This doesn't seem terribly practical to me. I can't imagine they were plentiful when he wrote the book, and they're pricey enough as it seems (and he suggests 2 at the corners of the altar). Wouldn't it be more practical to get an appropriate holder with suitable imagery (like, a crucifix painted candle glass or something) and use that? I like the crucifix candles, don't get me wrong about that.

Another one is about his use of "Astral" candles, with two colors. Obviously as a Cancer it would be hard for me to get a combination green and brown candle, so what options are available for that? Just burn the green candle or burn a green and a brown candle side by side?

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:49 am

Yes, cognitivedissonance, burn the green and brown side by side.

witchy_woman · Unread post by **witchy_woman** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:43 am

Omg, Thank you for sharing. I have been wondering where in the heck to burn candles, and etc. I have NO privacy in my tiny apt with two kids and a nosey bf. I would have never thought of that. Your a genius.

Transformer · Unread post by **Transformer** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:03 pm

Hi, I've had to temporarily move in with family. I want to continue my work but can't do it indoors undetected. My parent's outdoor property is quite small so any outdoor candles will surely be found. So I decided to burn candles in the park right across from the house.

I live in a cold, somewhat windy climate. So I decided to dig a hole for the candle and bury it up to the lip in the earth so that it is insulated from the cold and then i wrapped a tall cylinder of tin foil around the lip to protect it from the wind.

I do the same when I am staying at my brother's house except I bury it in his vast backyard under a huge pine tree.

Do you see any concerns with these locations or approach?

I certainly don't feel the energy I feel around my altar, but I have to make do.

thanks.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:04 pm

These are all inventive and useful methods. Thanks for sharing!

trish76 · Unread post by **trish76** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:35 pm

cognitivedissonance wrote:Here's two Gamache questions:

He's suggesting using crucifix candles as altar lights. This doesn't seem terribly practical to me. I can't imagine they were plentiful when he wrote the book, and they're pricey enough as it seems (and he suggests 2 at the corners of the altar). Wouldn't it be more practical to get an appropriate holder with suitable imagery (like, a crucifix painted candle glass or something) and use that? I like the crucifix candles, don't get me wrong about that.

Another one is about his use of "Astral" candles, with two colors. Obviously as a Cancer it would be hard for me to get a combination green and brown candle, so what options are available for that? Just burn the green candle or burn a green and a brown candle side by side?

I do love the search feature on this forum.

I was thinking the same thing BUT as my mind tends to overcomplicate things I need a tad bit more clarification. When setting up the altar as Gamache suggests--I was kinda thinking you don't have to burn the crucifix candles with every single ritual you perform. Is that right? I was just going to buy two crucifix candles, buy some 7-11 oil to dress them with and leave them there as the altar candles. I mean if I had to burn them with every ritual....I could see how that could get kinda pricey. Is there a reason why you would need to burn those for each ritual you perform? I don't think you do but I tend to miss the common sense stuff when I get in the "trish zone"......it's kinda like the Twilight zone lol.

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:59 am

Hi Trish,
I would say that it depends on what type of ritual you are doing. The Crucifix or cross shaped candles really are symbolic of the Lord and His grace, bounty, and blessing. So there are situations where you would want to invoke those properties for large or important workings. On the other hand there are certainly traditional altars that have special candles which are not lit or are lit only on rare occasions.
Hope that helps!
Blessings,
Bri

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:01 am

RedRose wrote:Obviously candles need to be cleansed before lighting what would you suggest is the best thing to cleanse them with?

Will plain water do?

You can also use Rosewater (for love drawing work) or orange water (for attraction/any positive drawing work) when cleansing candles and you can also use a bit of your own urine. I do not subscribe much to the idea of cleansing candles unless they are really dirty, but then again, I purchase all my figural and taper candles through LMC and they are not dirty and they are blessed, so there you go!
good luck,
Bri

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:03 am

Elveta wrote: What do you mean by "seal or knock the candle?"

Hi Elveta,
I just saw this and Devi's excellent response. What Devi described is one way of knocking a candle, you can also knock a candle at the top of the candle by laying your palm face down on top of the vigil light, and then rapping the hand that is over the candle with your other hand three times. Professional workers will use other methods as well, especially when we are preparing many candles of the same condition or candles in runs.
Blessings,
Bri

Transformer · Unread post by **Transformer** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:42 am

Hi, I placed an order yesterday for some love drawing oils along with a bunch of other misc oils. I was just going to anoint and light some vigil candles. Today I am thinking I really should have ordered the corresponding love herbs too.

So, how important is it to load or dress your candle with herbs when you have oils that contain herbs?

Do the herbs really give it an added punch or are the oils all it takes?

Thanks

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:49 am

Whether or not to dress vigil lights with herbs and/or glitter and/or to load them with personal concerns, petition papers, etc. is a personal choice.

If you ordered your vigil lights from Lucky Mojo, they would come dressed with herbs and oils and glitter.

When you order Lucky Mojo brand conjure oils, they come with herbs right in them.

For those new to this practice, i recommend purchasing

1) an array of Lucky Mojo oils

2) one or more of our hand-blended herb mixtures (e.g. Peaceful Home Herbs, Love Herbs, Gambler's Gold herbs, Lucky 7 Herbs (7 Herb Bath), Psychic 9 Herbs (9 Herb Bath)‚ or Uncrossing 13 Herbs (13 Herb Bath)

3) at least one dressed candle with your first order, to see how the work is actually done.

With those items in hand, you will understand how the candle dressing is to be carried out on a physical level and you will have the spiritual supplies necessary to do it right.

Good luck!

Transformer · Unread post by **Transformer** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:01 am

Thanks. I actually just called the shop to modify my order. You have a great, helpful staff.

Unread post by **Tabbylove17** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:01 pm

I'm about to burn 3 candles together. A road opener, Reconciliation, and a Return to me candle. does it matter which candle is at the point of the triangle and does it matter which of the other 2 candles go? Also should I light the candle going clockwise?

Thanks.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:12 pm

I like placing Road opener at the top (point if using triangle); than I would place the Return to Me to the Right and Reconciliation to the left. Light the Road opener first, next, Return to Me and Reconciliation; clockwise. That's my take, but others may differ. Remember workers work differently.

I am moving this post to ritual candle discussions, because you are specifically asking a question about a candle ritual.

Good Luck in your work Tabbylove17!

Unread post by **Tabbylove17** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:56 pm

O, well thank you I think I will do that. I was not sure which side I wanted the return to me or the reconciliation, so I had to ask. Thanks for moving the post.

One more question? Should I put a picture of us in the center of the triangle? You know what? I think I will.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:03 pm

You can place the picture in the center, but I would place it on or under the reconcilation candle.

Transformer · Unread post by **Transformer** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:54 pm

Here's another suggestion: burn your candles in the BBQ outside. Just close the lid and they are completely protected from the elements. and they will not suffocate since the BBQ is designed to allow the flow of air to get the charcoal. and now in the winter months, it's not likely that anyone will go nose'ing around in there.

channyway9192 · Unread post by **channyway9192** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:56 am

Heyyyy everyone, i have a ? I need to change someones mind regarding the house im renting.....the owners daughter got mad bc I reported them, ling story short court was involved, she lied n said her mom has to come back i.to the property, therefore making my children n myself having to move, I dknt mind moving however, our search has been unsuccessful, and its WINTER & SNOWING where i live so my ? Is what to put on my orange or even white candle n petition to help her change her mind and let us stay ....(without me having to take her back to court)
any feedback would be great....I have LOTS of.oils just don't know which ones to use......thnx

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:51 am

You can do a freezer spell. To freezer her away from the property

www.luckymojo.com/freezer.html

To change her mind, you can use licorice, calamus, essence of bend over, do as I say, influence, controlling, commanding, and compelling are all good products to use.

to-change-someone%CA%B9s-mind-t1064.html
www.luckymojo.com/essenceofbendover.html
www.luckymojo.com/controlling.html
www.luckymojo.com/commanding.html
www.luckymojo.com/compelling.html
www.luckymojo.com/products-do-as-i-say.html
http://www.herb-magic.com/licorice-root.html
www.herb-magic.com/calamus-root-chips.html

channyway9192 · Unread post by **channyway9192** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:34 pm

Thanks STARS you are always such a great help.....I have commanding and compelling oils, as well as sachet powder, I'm gonna use licorice andd calamus root too ....thanks again.....

sakura · Unread post by **sakura** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:43 pm

I have been using a Bic--is that ok or should I buy matches?

theusurper · Unread post by **theusurper** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:07 pm

i use wood matches .

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:40 pm

sakura wrote:I have been using a Bic--is that ok or should I buy matches?

Thats fine, when my zippo is out of lighter fluid i use a Bic

Unread post by **Tabbylove17** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:16 pm

jwmcclin wrote:You can place the picture in the center, but I would place it on or under the reconcilation candle.

I will make sure to do just that.

Thanks.

rico69 · Unread post by **rico69** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:51 am

Besides inserting oils and powders inside a glass encased candle for love or lust, can the name of the person you want to love you also be inserted inside the candle? Do I just put her name or do I include my name also? If both names go together, do I write her name first and then cross my name on top of hers and insert that into the candle with a petition?

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:29 pm

Generally, inserting the petition directly into the candle is going to lead to it being caught on fire. This can lead to it breaking, bad burns, and similar issues.

Most people find it useful to place their petition underneath the candle, or tape it to the glass.

Good luck.

kazster · Unread post by **kazster** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:57 pm

Would putting sand in the pan or cat box in, order to extinguish the candle if it tips over, afect the spell?

My 'Aunties" and others used to do that for their spells. Or made an indorr cactus mini garde with a huge sand area in the middle out of the old time square turkey roast pans (sometimes some rootwork given away as such).

Kazster

Unread post by **Miss Tammie Lee** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:16 pm

This is a WONDERFUL share!!! Great wisdom from your "Aunties"! love this!!!
Try to remember as much as you possibly can.
Thank you Kazster!

johnford · Unread post by **johnford** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:24 pm

Hey everyone!

Very excited apparently because I'm making quite a bit of posts in the last few hours (it will slow down I promise) and I am happy to say I am very happy with the atmosphere and the people who are apart of this group, so kuddos not many people are very friendly and as welcoming as you are. So now unto the troubles with candle burning.

I am getting confused to be honest. Not because of the anointing of the candles, or the incense or sachet powders, but petitioning.

I've been going through certain sources and some of them are making me think which way is the best.

I wanted to know how you write a petition?

For example, one resource tells me I need to write the name of the person three times (or unevened numbers) then write the intention of the spell over the name, so it looks like you are crossing out the persons name with your intention.

However! Another source is telling me that I write the persons name three times (or unevened numbers) then rotate the paper 90 degrees clockwise and then write the your intention or your own name across the person's name also three (or unevened numbers) to kind of give it a like a cross or tic-tac-toe.

So my question is, which is right? Which one is wrong? Are they both right? If there are both right, then what is the variations and which method should I use for such purposes?

Thank you,
John

Lunaislight · Unread post by **Lunaislight** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:34 pm

Well Both Are right

I guess I need to be clear on what your petition is for ...

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:32 pm

Exactly, more information is needed from you. What is the intention of your candle spell? As you mentioned, writing your petition and name on top is controlling the situation; writing your petition and turning 90 degrees is drawing something to you.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:39 pm

John, if you were to purchase my book, "Hoodoo Herb and Root Magic" you would see samples of a number of very different looking petition papers and name papers. Their form varies by intention and also by family and local traditions. Beware of internet sources that tell you there is a "right" way and a "wrong" way. This does not mean that any old way is okay, but there are actually MANY traditional ways, and it will take you a few weeks or months to learn them and become familiar with them.

johnford · Unread post by **johnford** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:08 am

I actually ordered the book and a few other supplies from you the other day

I look forward to reading it. Your business is awesome and I look forward to learning quite a bit from all you

Now as for the spell it was just in general. I used a Honey Jar Spell to sweetened up my roomate and mines relationship and I did the 90 degree example. I was taught the first way I mentioned, to write your name three times and then write something over top of it (intention or name) in order to get what you want, but I'm guessing there is relatively quite a bit of various ways of writing a petition.

I look forward to reading the Hoodo herb and root magic to see what I can learn from it.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:11 am

You will learn a lot johnford and you are well on your way. Did you read the honey jar spell on LM? http://www.luckymojo.com/honeyjar.html

johnford · Unread post by **johnford** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:21 pm

I did actually and that was one of the sources of inspiration that I took from. And you may just simply call me John if you would like. Now again with the petition writing it in the 90 degree way this makes it a bit sweeter yes? Where as if I had written it his name and then mine over that would have been a little more comanding right?

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:10 pm

Well you are drawing what you want to you; and Right, you are in essence controlling the situation...

johnford · Unread post by **johnford** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:50 am

thnaks

Unread post by **wraithklewn** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:17 pm

So im trying out my first vigil candle here at home very soon. so i was wondering about personal concerns... i have enough so thats not an issue. but i was wondering was if they are usually put in with the vigil to be burned along with the candle?

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:21 pm

I sometimes will put a single hair down into a hole I poke into the vigil. Another option is to fold a concern into a petition paper and have it underneath the vigil.

Magickalcurios · Unread post by **Magickalcurios** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:44 pm

Possible to add both personal concern plus petition?

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:09 am

Yes, of course.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:37 pm

Absolutely. Wrap the personal concern in the petition paper and set it under your candle.

jmom · Unread post by **jmom** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:09 am

WHAT COLOR candle do I use to banish anger from son
I am wanting to burn a candle to get the anger out of my son.
what color candle do I use,
what petision

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:49 am

You can use black or white. I would use black. A petition is "remove the anger from (your son's name)"