Astrology: Character Analysis and Spell Timing: Horoscopes, Sun, Moon, Planets, Eclipses, Retrogrades

BellaMars · Unread post by **BellaMars** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:19 am

Ok thanks so much. Wanted to be 100% sure I was going to do it right. So after tonight at 3am I can do the first day of the skull candle for communication/clarity and wisdom.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:42 am

I work with planetary magick so for me a day starts at sunrise and ends at sunrise the next day. So Tuesday began at sunrise and it will stay Tuesday/Mars' Day until Sunrise Wed.

Conjure doctors often held the same view of the days, not because of planetary magick (which some were definitely familiar with), but rather because of the sun. Rural conjure workers woke with the rising sun to go out to the fields, get to work, etc. For this reason a lot of work is done right before dawn or late at night at midnight. So it is traditional to view a day as being from sunrise to sunrise as opposed to Midnight to midnight. This is but one traditional way of looking at the days for magical work.

BellaMars · Unread post by **BellaMars** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:49 am

So either way is ok then? Its whichever way we feel more comfortable working?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:20 pm

I was taught that the first hour of the day aka when the sunrises is when the day begins. So I learned its from sunrise to sunrise of the next day. The reasons stated by Conjureman Ali gives backround for that. I personally, like this method because its more practical for me. When I was first learning, I had a jam packed schedule, and was trying to worry about getting home before midnight, it would only leave a few hours to do rootwork. So I learned this method from another rootworker, and its great especially if you like to work at night most of the time like I do.

BellaMars · Unread post by **BellaMars** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:51 pm

I reread your post ConjureMan, the traditional way is from 6am to 6am the next day. I do like to do things according to tradition. And Stars you mention another benefit to working this way which is working at night. I find that the nighttime is especially relaxing and calm for me and I can really focus without risk of being interupted (2 small boys remember? can get crazy around here...)

The way hoodoo is practiced today, is either way of working considered correct? Just in case someone else stumbles onto this thread and they prefer to do the 12am to 12am day? As long as they feel comfortable with it?

Thanks to all you responded.

Unread post by **TBanks91** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:50 pm

Awsome to know that....because i didn't even know about drawing communication in the morning! Thanks Conjure and Jwmcclin...because I did figure that most work for drawing starts at dawn....I presume 6am-12pm. Or basically whenever the hands on the clock are "drawing" upwards....correct?

ariela · Unread post by **ariela** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:56 pm

Someone that I was involved with, then separated from for a year, is returning tomorrow. I'm happy to have him back, but some of the astrological sites I visited said not to natalize anything at this time. I know this isn't an astrology board, but would you recommend any type of herbs or protection? I've been taking uncrossing baths

maybe it's paranoia, but I don't have control over it much.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:26 pm

BellaMars, I said from sunrise to sunrise. The sun doesn't rise at 6am every morning. It is timed to the sun.

Tristan · Unread post by **Tristan** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:18 pm

Online astrological sites can be great resources for learning astrology, but I’m not sure that I would base my decisions off of a computer generated reading.

Instead, there are members of AIRR who are wonderful astrologers and who could give you more insight than a website could.

http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/in ... :Astrology

That said, I’m not sure that an uncrossing bath would be indicated here just because you might not have the best transits to natalise yet. Again, I would get a reading by an astrologer, but it would seem that strengthening certain aspects would be a good idea. LM carries an entire line of planetary and zodiacal products that can be used to this end.

http://www.luckymojo.com/planetary.html
http://www.luckymojo.com/zodiacal.html

Also, I think that Road Opener products would be more appropriate here as you’re working with obstacles rather than negativity per se.

http://www.luckymojo.com/roadopener.html

Just my 2¢. Hope it helps.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:46 am

Make sure you check the sunrise time in your area...it varies for everyone.

BellaMars · Unread post by **BellaMars** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:19 am

Thank you for clearing that up conjureman. That is actually what I meant but I should have phrased my question better so as not to confuse others that are hopefully reading this thread and finding it useful. I found the history behind the sunrise to sunrise day pretty interesting thanks for sharing that with us as well.

If using this traditional way of deciding day I do have one bit of confusion. There are some spells I have read about that are to be done on certain days before dawn/sunrise. I think I have read a few love spells that should be performed before sunrise on friday. Would that be on the second sunrise that signifies the end of Frida. - which is what we normally call saturdays sunrise? If we were to perform it before the first sunrise on friday it would really be the end of thursday according to tradition. When reading such spells I thought the significance of performing before.sunrise was because it was the begining of the day not.the end, im feeling I was wrong now in assuming this

Unread post by **Papa Newt** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:28 am

BellaMars, there is a great thread that discusses about timing and the influences of the days here. Enjoy.

BellaMars · Unread post by **BellaMars** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:20 am

Thanks PapaNewt. I have read that thread and am working with the planetary influences and using each day for a specific purpose.

What I am asking in this thread, which I didnt see covered in the link you posted, is how to judge when to do work our spells if you use the traditional sunrise to sunrise day. The example in my last post is what threw me. If one were to do a love spell on friday before sunrise I assumed it was so it can continue working throughout the day reserved for love spells (Venus) BUT if one were to do it before the first sunrise its really the end of Thursday and if one were to do it before the second sunrise its the end of Friday going into Saturday which is a day reserved for crossing or cursing etc. Maybe I am overthinking this? Or maybe I need to take Cat's class to fully understand this better but in the meantime I was just hoping for someone who practices using this traditional way of determining the days in hoodoo to impart how they handle such a situation as I described.

Thank you in advance anyone who will share their thoughts.

Unread post by **Papa Newt** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:41 pm

I have never had a problem with working 12 a.m. to 12 a.m. So, if it is Thursday at 11:59 p.m. it is still Thursday and once it hits midnight it is Friday. So if I am looking to do a love spell on Friday then I would see what time the sun is scheduled to rise on that day and get up an hour or so before to prepare. Though, life does happen so it doesn't always work out but then again if I need to do the work I do the work no matter what the day or time. Of course that's just me.

Test it out, see if the if doing it the one way is better than the other and vice versa. I personally get confused with the whole first sunrise and second sunrise talk but it is just something I haven't heard of or learned.

If you are looking to bring in planetary energy to the work you may also consider doing a little search for a website or program that can show you where the planets will be in the sky at anytime according to where you live. Personally this is my favorite way to plan out a work using planetary energy because I can find out what time the planet will be high over head and plan my work around that. Never was all that good at figuring out planetary hours.

I hope you do find the answer/explanation you are looking for. Wish I could be more help though still have a lot to learn.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:08 am

There are a variety of ways of working with timing. The idea is to get into the natural rhythm of life, so please don't overanalyze this otherwise you kill it completely.

If a spell calls to be worked on Friday before dawn then do it before dawn on the day of Friday. No fuss, no confusion.

I know your are new to this work, but remember we are working with a natural magic--key word "natural." These traditions work with the days of the week, the phases of the moon, the rising and setting of the sun, the hours of noon and midnight, the rising and falling of the clock, planetary hours, and other natural timings. Find something that fits the tradition and suits the work without confusing yourself.

BellaMars · Unread post by **BellaMars** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:59 am

Thank you ConjureMan for the clarification. You just confirmed what I was thinking. But being new and not having taking any classes just learning from all the vast information on LM and on these thread I didnt want to assume anything. You gave me the confidence I needed to continue working in the traditional way of timing.

sunstallion · Unread post by **sunstallion** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:25 am

For the next Waxing moon period, I want to do four separate candle burnings for friendships, love, money, and get into a professional school. Anyone recommends any oils for these four purposes ?

Unread post by **perk590** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:25 am

Hello,

I have a St. Expedite candle that I would like to begin burning. Is there a particular time when a novena candle should be lit? Should it be lit in the morning? Or is any time alright as long as the intent and prayers are there?

Also, is there place in the home where candles/ candle rituals should not be performed?

Dalma

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:20 am

In Hoodoo, some practitioners will tell you that you can light the candle whenever you want. But some rootworkers like working with various timings such as the time of the day, the moon phases, sun signs, days of the week, and/orplanetary hours. Oh and some work with the hands on the clock (i.e. both hands rising for drawing work...both hands falling for crossing or trying to remove things.

Of course you dont have to work with all of them or even any of them. But it in enhances your intentions but if you decide not to do any of them, then it is not going to greatly effect your work. What is important is that you strongly pray, and focus on your intent with whatever method you choose to do your magic with (i.e. candles, mojo bags, bathes, etc.)

See also these threads and pages --

Planetary timing:
http://luckymojo.com/planetary.html
spell-timing-planetary-influences-days- ... t1429.html

Moon timing:
http://luckymojo.com/moonphases.html
spell-timing-moon-phases-t442.html

Zodiac timing:
http://luckymojo.com/zodiacal.html

It depends what kind of candle work you are doing, space, maybe you can't do your work in the open, etc. Most people have different altars, or split there altar down the middle. I dont think there is really a place where you cannot do work, but as long as you have cleansed it...there isnt a draft of air, and you can concentrate, then you should be fine. But if you have the availability to work any place in your house, then you can work just about any place you choose.

Some people may choose to work with a pendulum to see which space is the best to work certain workings. You can use tarot too if that works for you.

I think it would be best that you read http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoo.html

I suggest that you read this, and feel free to browse the forum for further knowledge as we have talked about many related topics.

Unread post by **perk590** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:48 am

Thank you starsinthesky7.

I'm in process of reading Hoodoo in Theory.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:24 am

Especially with a St. Expedite candle, my intuition is telling me you should probably light it as soon as possible to begin it working for you! Let us know how it goes!

Good Luck to you!

-Joseph M.

Unread post by **perk590** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:31 am

Thanks Joseph. Not only for your reply, but for your intuition. I will surely you posted.

Once again, thank you.

Dalma

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:41 am

No problem at all. You should check out this page if you haven't yet: http://www.luckymojo.com/saintexpedite.html

Best day would be a Wednesday, but only if you can wait that long!

-Joseph M

sakura · Unread post by **sakura** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:54 pm

If I am to do a spell kit at the new moon, and the new moon is on Friday night, would it be ok to start the spell at dawn on Friday morning?

I know that the day goes from dawn to dawn, so I'm thinking doing the spell before dawn is technically still doing it during the waning moon. BUT it's a love spell, and so I want to do it on Friday, and if I wait until dawn on Saturday, won't that be a bad idea, or will doing it before dawn on Saturday count as doing it on Friday's new moon, and therefore I still get Venus' influence and not the bad Saturn influence?

Does this make sense?

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:35 pm

No, it would not be "okay" to do a New Moon spell BEFORE the New Moon. That is the Old Moon, the Waning Moon, the Waste of the Moon.

You would it either AT or AFTER the time of the New Moon -- a term that refers either to the DARK of the Moon or the First Crescent Sliver. .

What do i mean by "AT" or "AFTER"? It depends on the type of spell:

If it is a spell of cursing (a dark moon spell), you want to do it at night while the moon is totally dark. In your example, that would be Friday night

If it is a spell of removal (a waning moon spell), then you have any time within the 14-day cycle of the moon's waning to do it. In your example, that would be anytime UP TO Friday night (the New Moon), with preference given to the last 7 of those 14 days.

If it is a spell of attraction (a waxing moon spell), then you have any time within the 14-day cycle of the moon's waxing to do it. In your example, that would be anytime AFTER Friday night (the New Moon), with preference given to the first 7 of those 14 days -- and there's your next Friday!.

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sakura · Unread post by **sakura** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:47 am

Thanks, Ms. Cat! So let me be sure I have this exactly right: a love spell would be done on the dawn following the night of the new moon? As in my example, the new moon is today, Friday, so I would do it at dawn on Saturday?

Is that right? Sorry to be so dense.

maduro01 · Unread post by **maduro01** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:54 am

Tabbylove17

Well that answer my question about the upcoming lunar eclipse.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:59 am

sakura --

Not quite right. You would want the next Friday (Venus Day) durin the owing Cresent Moon, for increase.

On another, topic -- time of day --

Under the heading of time-of-day or clock timing, we also should consider the fact that many practitioners prefer to set certain times for repetition of spell work, including candle lighting of 4" or 6" free-standing candles that will burn down in an hour or two.

For instance "nine at morning and nine at night every day for none days" is a formula for timing that i heard often when i was young. This is clock time, and is given without reference to the time of sunrise or sunset.

See the other posts about timing by Planets / Weekdays and timing by time of day / clock time.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:59 am

There are many ways to time spells, some of them rhythmic and patterned. Not all of them relate directly to natural events.

For instance "nine at morning and nine at night every day for none days" is a formula for timing that i heard often when i was young. This is clock time, and is given without reference to the time of sunrise or sunset.

See the other posts in this thread for information about timing by Planets / Weekdays and timing by time of day / clock time.

As for retrogrades, the first thing you have to know is that the Sun and Moon are never (can never go) retrograde. Next, we will look at the planets.

Mercury, the fastest planet, goes retrograde quite often. Mercury''s influence is on communications, hence Mercury retrograde has a negative influence on computers, mail delivery, telephones, radios, tv, and printed media.

Venus goes retrograde too -- and since Venus rules love, it would follow that during times of Venus retrograde, we would see a negative influence on romance and love.

But would love spells be badly impacted, slowed, or impeded during a time of Mercury retrograde? No, not unless the spell involved communication. That is, the communication aspects of the work might falter (phone service flaky, computer on the fritz) but the romantic candlelight rose petal love-fest would be perfectly safe during Mercury retrograde. In fact, with all the computers in the shop getting repairs, it might be a great time to snuggle up and kiss.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:00 am

Thanks, Tristan, for a very helpful answer to Ariela's query, I second your opinion that there are good astrologers on AIRR (Deacon Millett immediately comes to mind -- there are others as well, including myself).

Ariela, i would like to add that if you wish to work with hoodoo, you will be working with roots, oils, and other accoutrements of hoodoo. You say you know that "this is not an astrology board," but rather than bemoan what it is not, i suggest you look on the positive side and take advantage of what it *is* -- a forum for the discussion of African American folk magic. We make righteous and authentic spiritual supplies, and if you ask questions about the topic which we are committed to helping you with, you will receive all the help we have to give.

Good luck!

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:01 am

If you are performing a drawing spell, do so AFTER the New moon. The reason is that we also work by the days of the week and their planetary rulers, and Saturn, ruler of Saturday, is a cold planet of duty, limitation, death, and restriction, whose day is most commonly utilized for binding spells.

Remember, you have two weeks (14 days) of Lunar increase -- you want to pick a day that is in the moon phase you prefer, but also on a day ruled by a planet harmonious to your intentions. Sunday is always good for blessings, Monday for matters of family and children, Wednesday for communication, and Friday for love.

To time your spell after the New Moon, if you did not want to wait until next Friday, you could select Sunday.

Morning would be the best time of day, for as the Sun rises, so will love come to you.

For instance "nine at morning and nine at night every day for none days" is a formula for timing that i heard often when i was young. This is clock time, and is given without reference to the time of sunrise or sunset.

See the other threads in this forum for information about timing by Planets / Weekdays and timing by time of day / clock time.

RowanPendragon · Unread post by **RowanPendragon** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:44 pm

I wasn't sure where else to ask this question so I guess this is the best place to do it...

I'm wondering how though of you who have been doing hoodoo or rootwork for some time look at the issue of timing your workings. I have been a practicing Witch for 25 years and have almost always timed my work with either moon phases or planetary hours based except in extreme cases. Part of me has always felt very boxed in by this and I have wondered sometime if I've become even a little superstitious about it.

With doing this kind of work, in a traditional sense, how does timing play into it or is it not a considering factor? Is there any sort of custom for using moon, sun, or planetary timing in rootwork or is this sort of something that's up to the discretion of the worker? Does anyone have any have any thoughts one way or another on this?

Thanks!

Rowan

Unread post by **corazon** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:06 pm

May I suggest doing a forum search on spell timing. There are many many threads on spell timing - moon timing - days of the week - hours, ect.

From my understanding it is up to the practitioner if they want to time things or not.

there is a wonderful page by miss cat here:
http://www.luckymojo.com/planetary.html

this page dives into the planetary and other timing aspects of magic. I particularly like the end of the page with the analogy of the weather.

Unread post by **michaeldavis** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:13 pm

Rowan,

This is the most applicable reference I know of on the LM site: http://www.luckymojo.com/planetary.html.

Others here have a great deal more experience in hoodoo than I do; however, I have been a ceremonial magician for about 15 years and have worked extensively with the planetary hours, moon phases, stellar magic, and planetary magic in general. In my opinion, these observances can become tiresome when they move from "augmentation" into "restriction." I have experienced the "boxed-in" feeling you mention, especially when working with spiritual evocation in the grimoire tradition and with traditional correspondences of the Tree of Life.

That said, I was able to create some wiggle room by deliberately violating these strictures on a regular basis and accepting that my old paradigmatic beliefs about what should and should not be done would have to undergo a certain degree of upheaval if I wanted to be free from the straight jacket. My magical effectiveness ultimately came back and now I look at the hours, moon phases and mansions, etc. as additional foci--useful at times but not essential.

I do realize that for purists (particularly for many practicing the Old System style of straight grimoire magic), this is complete heresy.

MD

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:04 pm

I'm tossing this in the timing by Moon phases thread. It could just as easily have gone in the timing by planetary days thread or the timing by time of day and clock thread. Read those threads as well for further information.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:18 pm

Oi, the Tree of Life has become far more than it was ever intended to be..

The key to any magical timing is to understand that they are meant to augment and help your work, not form a set of restrictions that you need to follow. Miss cat compared it to the weather and it really is an apt analogy.

Unread post by **michaeldavis** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:59 pm

ConjureMan Ali wrote:Oi, the Tree of Life has become far more than it was ever intended to be..

"The Divine Filing Cabinet." Agreed.

kecola · Unread post by **kecola** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:39 pm

Is it a bad idea to perform a bottle spell or any kind of spell work during a Mercury Retrograde? It's said that anything started during this phase, including post and shadow periods, will go awry and NOT be successful

I was wondering if this pertains to spell work as well...

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:30 pm

This is not true, and I highly advise for you to read about retrogrades on the forum.

It is impossible to stop everything you are doing during Mercury retrograde. It is about planning ahead, and going back and finishing projects that one has not completed. Spell work wise if you have started on a project on a target then you are fine. Yes you should be more conscious of things if you are trying to reconcile with someone or make things peaceful. You should be more conscious of your words, and know that verbal communications can be taken out of context during a time of Mercury retrograde. But that does not mean your work is not going to work during this time.

Now you simply stated you are doing a bottle spell. We do not know what kind of bottle spell.

If it is a break up bottle spell, then miscommunication, and arguments during this time would be perfect for this work.

If you are doing reconciliation work, and trying to get someone to communicate with you...its not that you can't do the reconciliation work but perhaps you need to hit it from another aspect. You could affect their emotions, and perhaps do a sweet jar or something else to affect their emotions

See also
spell-timing-planetary-influences-days- ... 29s30.html

kecola · Unread post by **kecola** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:48 pm

Thanks so much for your reply and positive mindset. I'm actually going to do a love me bottle spell and a simple candle spell. I already know this guy is extremely attracted to me but he has no idea I feel the same so I'll be ok no matter how my spells go. I just wanted to make sure that nothing would affect it negatively. Thanks so much once again!! It would've definitely have sucked to have to wait out the MR when I'm already so anxious to get started.

Unread post by **ANSUZEIHWAZ** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:37 am

Hi Everyone

I work sometimes with astrology in my spells and I know that not everyone use planetary hours, planetary aspects, etc in their spells, but I want to know if the periods of the moon void of course have effects or not in hoodoo

THANKS

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:16 am

ANSUZEIHWAZ ,

To an astrologer practicing hoodoo, yes. To a non-astrologer practicing hoodoo, the question would not occur.

Moon void of course is a notation that appears in many old almanacs for planting and harvesting, and thus would have been known during hoodoo's rural history to those who could read. And urban African American hoodoo astrologers of the 1920s - 1940s, like Edward Lowe of Chicago and Dr. E. P. Read of Philadelphia would certainly have known of these things and worked with planetary hours -- in fact Lowe sold a planetary hour dial calculator tool in his own dream book and hoodoo catalogue.

Hoodoo is not monolithic. It does not consist of entombed and preserved African culture. There are many outlier overlaps with the magic and religious beliefs of other cultures, some of greater extent than others.

Quite a bit more astrological material is covered at my HITAP web site, in my HRCC book for students, and in my workshop classes on astrology and rootwork.

If you want the hand-out sheet from the astrology and rootwork class, it is available in the "The Black Folder."

Unread post by **ANSUZEIHWAZ** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:10 am

Thanks for your answer Catherine, I'm an Astrologer, but not every magic beliefs use Astrology and it is important to me to follow the traditions. Some Magical practitioners I know use the Moon void of course to banishing workings to send the "negative energy" to the "Void".

I sign for your course past years ago, when it was available by email rather than in a book, but unfortunately I lost all the information of the course with other important personal information that I have in my email. I have my customer number and my student number too

I want to share the combinations that I have used with success for years working with the Zodiacal-Planetary-Hoodoo Lucky Mojo Spiritual Supplies. In what section should i post them?

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:59 am

ANSUZEIHWAZ, welcome back!

I looked you up -- you are customer #309 in our database (out of 23,000 customer names now!) and you are student #676, who signed up for the course in 2005, but never turned in your homework in six years!

I'm sorry that you lost your lessons. The old email version had that problem -- hard drive crashes and software updates led to many students losing the material. The work is now much expanded and available in the form of a 432 page hardcover book.

I urge you to complete your studies, turn in your homework, and graduate from the Hoodoo Rootwork Correspondence Course. Even without the lessons, you can find the homework assignments posted online here, and complete the work:

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I look forward to receiving your homework and finally having you graduate from the course.

Again, welcome back -- it's good to hear from you again.

Unread post by **ANSUZEIHWAZ** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:03 am

Thanks Cath!!! I make my homework and buy the replacement book in my next order.

I have the "Hoodoo Herb and Root Magic" 2002, are there another printing?

Unread post by **AnddieUS** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:17 pm

For those of you who use phases of the moon in conjunction with your work, I've found a good application for the iPhone, iPad, iTouch (it may be available for other devices as well); it is called MoonPhase. This is a nice app. that shows the daily rise/set times of the moon, phase, etc... And if your device has GPS, it can show you how the moon appears in your area. Hope this is of use.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:47 pm

For best use, the app would have to show the SIGN of the moon as well. because working by the moon entails the symbolical relationship between the work and the moon sign. For example, planting in a fertile sign, not just when the moon is waxing for leaf crops or waning for root crops, but also when it is waxing or waning in a fertile sign. Paper almanacs always have this data, but moon phase charts often do not.

Unread post by **AnddieUS** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:40 am

Thanks Ms. Cat! I went back into the application to check all of the features that come with this application, and it does show the sign that the moon is currently in. It can give you the phase, sign, set and rise times for the sun and moon for every day up until 12/31/2099. In addition, the application can be set to show the moon names according to the beliefs one follows (Native American, Wiccan (Medival & Neo Pagan), Calendar Month, Colonial American, Celtic and English). You are right though, this application does not provide the in-depth level of detail that a paper almanac does. But hopefully it can be of use to someone.

Unread post by **carrie** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:50 am

What's a good day of the week for friendship spells?

I normally do Mondays (because I usually want female friends) or Wednesdays (for communication/swiftness). But I wondered if Sunday or Thursday would be good as well.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:48 am

You can refer to the chart earlier in this post.

However, do you just want general attraction of friendships?

If so you can work, Monday, Wednesday, or Fridays.

You can work any spell on any day of the week, but if you put great emphasis on these days then I would work with those days. If I had to choose between Sunday or Thursdays...I would go with Sunday as its a great day for cleansing, and even attraction work.

monica123 · Unread post by **monica123** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:20 pm

how do you find the best time to work a break up spell every day, from monday to sunday and how to know the best hours to work a love spell from monday to sunday????

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:08 pm

Break up spells can be worked on Tuesdays (ruled by Mars) or Saturdays (ruled by Saturn). Love Spells on Fridays (ruled by Venus) read further here (spell-timing-planetary-influences-days- ... 29s60.html)

...and here (http://www.luckymojo.com/planetary.html)

Unread post by **owlsfoot** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:27 pm

Generally speaking, I would say that you should want to think about both the sun and moon. If you are doing work to bring in something new (e.g. a love spell), you would want to do that with the rising sun--and do it on a Friday, as that is the day of Venusian influence. For break-up work, you may want to work with the setting of the sun, or just before midnight, and do it on a Saturday, which is the day of Saturnine influence. Additionally, you will want to be sure that when you are doing love work to bring increase, it is during the waxing phase of the moon; when you are doing work to bring something to an end, it is during the waning phase.

There are some folks who suggest that you can use the clock to determine a time of day to work in, with the rationale that when the hands are rising, one would do work of increase; when they're falling, one would do work of decrease. Personally, I don't think this particular approach is very compelling; but that is not to say that others haven't used it to good effect. Utilizing the lunar and solar cycles, in combination with the days of the week, has always proved more than sufficient in my own experience.

Best wishes for your workings.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:38 pm

owlsfoot wrote: There are some folks who suggest that you can use the clock to determine a time of day to work in, with the rationale that when the hands are rising, one would do work of increase; when they're falling, one would do work of decrease. Personally, I don't think this particular approach is very compelling; but that is not to say that others haven't used it to good effect. Utilizing the lunar and solar cycles has always proved more than sufficient in my own experience.

I was going to say the same thing, owlsfoot! It seems like many workers are split 50/50 when it comes to using the "hands of the clock" method. Those who do follow this seem to have had great outcomes from the work!

-Joseph Magnuson

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:47 pm

Using the hands of the clock is a time-tested, pun-intended, and accepted way of working with magically auspicious times.

Ultimately conjure is highly practical and so you'll find a variety of timing methods. Do not limit yourself to lunar and solar considerations alone. The greatest time to work is according to need. If you have pressing matters do the work, do the work by the days of the week, movement of the sun, the phases of the moon, the hours of the clock, and the striking of midnight or noon, if you are able.

cherish · Unread post by **cherish** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:39 am

Hello! What is the best time of day to burn a Crossing candle? Thanks!

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:24 am

Spell timing according to time of day, etc... is discussed here (spell-timing-time-of-day-or-night,-cloc ... 11842.html)

Here are some practical tips for timing spells (http://www.luckymojo.com/spells/practicaltips.html)

I have moved your post to the Spell timing discussions...

jazzie · Unread post by **jazzie** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:01 pm

found one of hyatt's volume in a library and wondering...

the popular techniques in hoodoo when it comes to timing are... if you are doing drawing work,
do it when the the hour goes up, if the opposite, do it when the hour goes down...
a hyatt informant mentioned though, about workers who do positive work,
doing it during rising time...post 12 AM
evil work, from 6 in the evening to 12 AM because this is when night sets....
it always seems, looking at the boards and hoodoo sites, that this is no longer used? relevant?
because negative work seems to be done during the night, for the most part
actually, people just do the work when it is convenient but still following the hour going up/down technique
has this timing been relegated to the past or is it regional?

writing-petition paper

another thing i read, about writing someone's name on a petition paper
for the most part, you just write it from left to right...
however, an informant talked about writing a person's name backwards
for negative work
this is another thing that i ve not read much about nowadays, it seems that now,
you just write names as you normally do on a petition paper

any ideas?

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:17 am

Different workers use all different kinds of timing. I have absolutely heard of working by the hands of the clock - drawing/increase work when both hands are rising or the Sun is growing, banishing/diminishing work when both hands are falling or the Sun is weakening, etc. Sunrise, sunset, noon, and midnight are all very potent times to work as well. That is still very much done by many workers.

As to the petition papers, as with everything else, there's no one way to do it. In Reversing work, you definitely write the name in backwards mirror writing. I can see how using a similar backwards writing technique could also work in Confusion work, if you wanted the person to get all mixed up and turned around. etc.

jazzie · Unread post by **jazzie** » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:23 pm

thanks devi